Combo Questions ??? (Heads/Cam/Intake)

[cojonepony]

I'm planning a mild build-up on my '94 GT and could use some advice. I already have a SysteMax I lower awaiting installation, but other dudes on the board are saying to get heads also because the intake is actually a decent piece. Here's where the decisions begin. Should I opt for something like iron GT-40's or should I get aluminum heads like the 6037 Edelbrocks? I don't want real big valve sizes and I'll probably go with a Crane 2031 since I already have the 1.7's. Considering the amount of labor involved to swap heads I'm not concerned about the added cost of the aluminums if they're worth it. Any advice or input is welcome.

[93CobraR]

Don't just do the intake and not the heads. The big ports on the intake will cause alot of turbulance between it and the stock heads. I would go with Alum. If you do why not just get the Holley heads or the new AFR's?

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[cojonepony]

The Holley heads have the exhaust ports raised .400" so that excludes them unless you meant the new Holley heads due out this spring. The AFR's are probably great heads also, but don't they use stud mount rockers? I'm trying to select heads that take bolt down (pedestal type) rockers.

[Killercanary]

cojonepony- if money is an issue, the first thing to swap on a 94-95GT is the intake- they are horrible! It is way worse than the stock intake found on the fox bodies. I have a 95 GT convert with the mod's listed below. I was at a 14.6 at 94.Xmph with gears, pulleys, and exhaust. Putting on an intake, 65mm t-body, and headers took me to 14.3 at 97mph, with Nitto's and a homemade air inlet tube I dropped into the 13's. I now run consistent 13.8's at 98.3-98.5mph. This is in a convertible. Stock I went 15.2 at 90mph. In a coupe you'd be a good bit faster. Just to give you a very vague idea- my cousin's 94 ran 14.8's at 92mph stock, if you subtract what I knocked off my ET and add the mph I gained theoretically he could be running 13.4's at 100-101mph- this is just a vague assumption though. Now, as was said above there is a port mismatch, and this concerned me when I put them on, but I gained HP, and that is all that matter's to me. I took that chance and it paid off.

Stay away from iron GT40's, there are too many better heads out there, besides you'd have to buy them used because they are out of production, unless you went with the GT40P- these are still made. The edlbrockes are very nice pieces, but if you have the money I'd opt for the AFR 165cc units. I actually just ordered a set for my car, I went with the 165/58cc ones and they are in fact available in either pedestal or stud mount- however the 165's with the 2" intake valve require hardened pushrods and stud mount rockers. I hope this helps.

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[DemonGT]

whats the difference between pedestal and stud mount? and witch is better??

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[MiracleMax]

Easy enough,

Stud mount rockers do just that. The rockers are supported by a stud, In the case of a Ford this creates an adjustable valvetrain, which removes most of the headaches when installing larger cams. IMO if your gonna build a set of heads this is the best way to go since it supports more options down the road.

Bolt down rockers are just that, A few shims and the rocker arm bolts down into the head. No guess work, not tricky vavle adjustment. Just bolt it down and be done with it. However bolt down rockers do limit your options when it comes to cam choices since their is no way to adjust the rocker arm.

This all assumes your using a hydraulic lifter. If your using a solid lifter, you'll need the stud mounted set up for lash adjustment, something a bolt down rocker just doesnt have.

[Killercanary]

Factory is pedestal. For a street car you really don't need stud mount, plus there is maintenance associated with stud mounted units.

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Best ET: 13.83
Best MPH: 98.55mph with Best 60': 1.91 on Nitto DR's
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[1989GT]

Don't rule out iron heads. Some of those aluminum heads don't flow as well as you think. Besides the GT40's can be easily cleaned up if you're worried about flow. http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/wink.gif

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[90dpscoupe]

I met a guy at the track who had an 89 lx with a holley sys intake with stock heads, also a 70mm TB(too big),3.73's, lunati cam, h-pipe and fms 1-5/8 headers, and running a short belt, he only ran 13.7@ 102, his 1/8 was 8.8 just like mine, and i have nowhere near those mods,

he agreed that the ports on the intake were too big, and didnt match the heads, and gave him a flat spot in the throttle, around certain rpms.

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Best mph: 97.80
Best 60': 2.0047

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[Rick 91GT]

Originally posted by cojonepony:
The Holley heads have the exhaust ports raised .400" so that excludes them unless you meant the new Holley heads due out this spring. The AFR's are probably great heads also, but don't they use stud mount rockers? I'm trying to select heads that take bolt down (pedestal type) rockers.

Well I know the mag's says they will be available this spring but I have had the NEW HOLLEY heads since last April, now it was a shocker to Holley as well when I called and told them I had the 2.02 valve stud mount, and if you seen any of my other post you know this already. The quality is awesome and all the final machining is done for Holley by AFR. I would strongly suggest those heads, they have pretty decent flow numbers out of the box as well. Another thing you want to consider going to 1.6 rockers and go stud mount, The stud mount are stronger and with a built motor most engine builders stay away from 1.7 due to the increase in stress on the valve train. You should have no problem getting rid of the 1.7's and I bought the Crane Blazers 1.6 for $169.00 out of Summit, they have full roller fulcrums and tips fully extruded alum. bodies too.



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