IMPORTS??!!???!!??

[tangystangy]

hello, i have a question, why am i getting beat by these acura integras?? my car is a 97 v-6 stock engine(manual), my friend has an integra(manual) and we wanted to race for fun, he beat me!! his car is a 4 cylinder and its stock as well, is this supposed to happen??? what kinda numbers do those things put up?? thanks

[cobrayankee]

Unfortunately, yes it is supposed to happen. They have 160hp in the GSR. (I think I'm right) Your car is a lot heavier too. Unfortunately your model year and engine were severely under powered. Nothing at all compared to the 99 v-6 Stangs. Fortunately there are quite a few accessories and bolt ons now available for your car. So check them out and get back to your buddy later on. Good luck!

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1997 Cobra (Black on black), C+L 80mm MAF, K+N filter, Pro 5.0 shifter, BBK Springs, Taylor Wires, 2 Chamber Flows, ASP Pulleys, BBK off road H pipe.

[AB89GT]

I'm sorry to say, but I have personally witnessed a 98 dodge caravan hold dead even with a 2000 mustang v6. It was two of my buddies that were racing. This is not a cut on your car but Im just telling you what I saw. His stang was also an auto.

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89 black GT, 5 spd
air silencer removed
flowmaster cat-back + h-pipe
FMS 9mm wires
looking to modify more!!!



[This message has been edited by AB89GT (edited 12-29-2000).]

[tom351]

V6 stangs are good drivers, but if you want to race, you need the V8.

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67 Fastback - Arctic White Pearl paint
351W 415 hp, Trick Flow Alum. Heads, C-4 Trans, 3.55 gears, Front Disc Brakes, 1-1/8" Fr. 3/4" rear sway bars.

http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs/pictures/Listing1245-slot2.jpg

[SMOKE]

Painful but true.

Like cobrayankee said there are som mods for your V6 I/H package just came out and slap on Vortech almost 300 rwhp. http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/smile.gif

That would make for an interesting rematch.

[smithbling]

Sorry "TANGY STANGY" but your coming across this board with your first message as a "Getting Killed" story. Sounds like you own an Integra and wanted to just cut up the V6 Stangs. They put up shitty numbers, the GSR is 170 HP and like 117 lbs/ft of torque and stock runs very low 16's maybe high 15's. HA

In saying that "Get the ****** off this board". Quit wasting our time!

[FivepointOH]

There is a new intake/head package out for v6's that I saw in a magazine(think it was 5.0) that supposedly puts the car at 225 at the wheels(or maybe it was flywheel) which is the same as a older GT and I think the v6's are faster too... throw one of those vortech's on top of that and you could be winning lots of money off mustang and camaro owners.

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92 AOD GT, K&N, ram air, pulleys, 2 ch. flowmasters, 4:10's, shift kit, 1 5/8 mac longtubes and offroad hpipe 14.249 @ 97.34 mph before the headers and hpipe

[Special K]

Originally posted by smithbling:
Sorry "TANGY STANGY" but your coming across this board with your first message as a "Getting Killed" story. Sounds like you own an Integra and wanted to just cut up the V6 Stangs. They put up shitty numbers, the GSR is 170 HP and like 117 lbs/ft of torque and stock runs very low 16's maybe high 15's. HA

In saying that "Get the ****** off this board". Quit wasting our time!

I agree that this guy is probably an integra owner who want to start something but your 1/4 times for GSR are just plain wrong man... If I run 15.368 with an SI(R) I cant see why a GSR couldnt do the same or better... beside I have a friend who is runnin 14.29 with only Cold Air Intake, Header, Catback, and a few other bolton and thats on stock tires soo 16s is not right man...

peace!

[smithbling]

Special K:

Didn't SCC just do a test on a Civic and Integra stock then supercharged?

The Integra ran like 15.7 with an intake or something. Then supercharged it ran a 15.0.

Sorry if I got the numbers wrong but, that's what I recall the mag. saying. http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/confused.gif

I don't have the article with me but the 2 things that could be different are

1)That the test used an 140HP LS Integra. However, I am sure they used the 170HP GSR.

2) The SCC drivers suck but the MPH's suggest good driving. (89 mph stock and 94 supercharged?)

Peace.

[tangystangy]

umm sorry guys, why am i getting flamed??? i just wanted to know if it was my driving that caused me to lose. I am not into street racing! but i thought a v-6 should always beat a v-4?? but i guess i will not bother to post on a board where i am not welcome , thanks to you guys who actually gave me some answers

[smithbling]

I'm Sorry. LOL

V-4 okay play dumb.

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http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs/pictures/Listing1248-slot1.jpg
88 coupe
14.75 @ 98 mph
Traction Limited

[FivepointOH]

Hmm sorry but I have to agree with smithbling, unless you guys are talking about the Integra type R, my friend has a stock GS-R and we raced and it wasn't even funny. A mid 15 at best but more like high 15. I can't see one running a low 14 with a few boltons, maybe a low 15 or high 14. Isn't your civic a lot lighter than the Integra too?

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92 AOD GT, K&N, ram air, pulleys, 2 ch. flowmasters, 4:10's, shift kit, 1 5/8 mac longtubes and offroad hpipe 14.249 @ 97.34 mph before the headers and hpipe

[Special K]

Originally posted by smithbling:
Special K:

Didn't SCC just do a test on a Civic and Integra stock then supercharged?

The Integra ran like 15.7 with an intake or something. Then supercharged it ran a 15.0.

Sorry if I got the numbers wrong but, that's what I recall the mag. saying. http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/confused.gif

I don't have the article with me but the 2 things that could be different are

1)That the test used an 140HP LS Integra. However, I am sure they used the 170HP GSR.

2) The SCC drivers suck but the MPH's suggest good driving. (89 mph stock and 94 supercharged?)

Peace.

I saw that article too... but I try not to quote magasine times because they suck at driving... in the same mag there is a turbo hatch with a B20 anyway they did 13.3s I think (SCC) and the owner got a best of 12.7 if I recall correctly... anyway im just telling what I saw with my own eyes... its like S2000 most domestic owners are quoting the 15.1s C&D did at the first test drive... while im quoting the 13.84 my friend did with his stock S2000.... with Civic SI (R) C&D did 15.7 and SCC 15.9 ... while I did 15.368 my second time at the track... so I don know what to say man... http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/biggrin.gif

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And my R.I.P. (http://www.geocities.com/specialk_files/pics/Img0065.jpg) stang

[Special K]

Originally posted by FivepointOH:
Hmm sorry but I have to agree with smithbling, unless you guys are talking about the Integra type R, my friend has a stock GS-R and we raced and it wasn't even funny. A mid 15 at best but more like high 15. I can't see one running a low 14 with a few boltons, maybe a low 15 or high 14. Isn't your civic a lot lighter than the Integra too?



Im not trying to get into an argument http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/biggrin.gif My car weight about 2600lbs while a GSR is about 2675lbs ... I know not every cars or drivers can get those times... like I said once... the night I did my 15.368 with my stock SI(R) I saw 2 other car like mine with I/H/E in the high 15s soo... the best mod you an have for your car is a good driver... and yes my friend Martin is running 14.29 with his 1995 GSR with I/H/E, Cams sprocket and V-AFC... thats on street tires and he is gettinf constant 2.1** 60' at the beginning of the summer he had the same mods and was running 14.79 ... he just improved his driving skils!

Peace,

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And my R.I.P. (http://www.geocities.com/specialk_files/pics/Img0065.jpg) stang

[fastang]

The last time I was at pomona I saw a GSR with an air intake setup and a full exhaust run 16.1-16.0 all day, he never hit a 15 anything. The fastest stock GSR is around a 15.7 with a great driver. This is also true for 99-01 mustangs though. Most of them hit 14.3-14-2 stock but someone here supposedly hit a 13.68 with one. Go figure.

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[smithbling]

AHH WELL BOYS....

Let's just drop it and believe whatever we want! No need to get the boys fighting eachother. http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/rolleyes.gif

I still say bash TangyStangy though!! http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/biggrin.gif

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http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs/pictures/Listing1248-slot1.jpg
88 coupe
14.75 @ 98 mph
Traction Limited

[Guffinator]

Funny...I've seen numerous ones at the strip and the best I've seen so far had the basic mods and he was hitting 15.0's PRAYING to break into the 14's. Special K...you keep saying that we are all off on our times. But this is what I've seen from SEVERAL different cars. Guess maybe NONE of those guys could drive huh?

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89 GT 5.0

Big hit of NITROUS!!

[Unit 5302]

I've already said that I think Special K has the quickest stock Si in the universe.

As far as flaming TangyStangy, why?

Most people don't know the V-6 stangs only had a 3.8L OHV 140hp motor. The Integra GSR is a quick little rice machine for what it is, and I'd be suprised if they aren't low-mid 15 sec cars.

Actually you'd never imagine how many times I've heard people quoting V-4, it's not obviously, it's an I-4 but who cares. Correct him and give him the benefit of the doubt. Jeez... If he's over here trying to rip on the base Mustang that costs a few grand less than an Integra, then he's just been smoked by way too many V-8's.

[Guffinator]

Well I hang out over at ClubSi sometimes. I also know quite a few ricers in the local area. NONE of them can run the times that Special K claims. Even over at ClubSi most of the Type R guys claim 15's....and EVERY evaluation I've read in any mag on the Type R claims they run high 15's to 16's. Now granted a 16 is a terribley slow time and I have no doubt that they run better times. But I think a low 15 is a fairly average time for one.

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89 GT 5.0

Big hit of NITROUS!!

[Lizard King]

Here is the big problem with these imports.

Well actually it's a quantity of issues.

4 cylinders, little wheels, front wheel drive.

FRONT WHEEL DRIVE... right there you are F**C UP... you almost need a miracle to go to 11s.

How many Stang do you see in the 11s???

Why do you want to upgrade a four cylinder engine anyways. Don't give me that full economie thing... I used to own a Turbo Talon TSI... and that 4 cylinder was as hard as my GT00 on gas.

I think imports are GREAT!... winter beaters that is. http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/smile.gif

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>> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock.

"I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors

[90dpscoupe]

lizardking, your talon was AWD, that's why it used more gas than a normal 4 banger http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/smile.gif, now back to the integra situation, i seen type R's run 15.0 usually...

and maybe a 14.7 with a modded one with street tires. Besides the v-teck probaly revs higher than a v6, like someone said above, "get a v-8"...and put about 5 cars on em!

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90 lx coupe: Mac cold air fenderwell, accel supercoil,advncd ignition,3-core radiatr, FMS alum D/S, Black magic fan, 3.27grs, 3chbr flows.
Best time: 14.26(on 225/60/15 firehawks)
Best mph 96.33 (with a passenger)
Best 60' 2.1
next mods: subframes, 3.73's

[joe4speed]

Originally posted by Unit 5302:
I've already said that I think Special K has the quickest stock Si in the universe.

As far as flaming TangyStangy, why?

Most people don't know the V-6 stangs only had a 3.8L OHV 140hp motor. The Integra GSR is a quick little rice machine for what it is, and I'd be suprised if they aren't low-mid 15 sec cars.

Actually you'd never imagine how many times I've heard people quoting V-4, it's not obviously, it's an I-4 but who cares. Correct him and give him the benefit of the doubt. Jeez... If he's over here trying to rip on the base Mustang that costs a few grand less than an Integra, then he's just been smoked by way too many V-8's.


I agree unit..

[91LX2Bfast]

I saw a Stock '98 GS-R w/ only a K&N turn consisant 15.3s at ATCO in November so I have to believe they can run good times while stock w/ a good driver.

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No Longer own: 91 LX 5.0L 5 spd Red w/ black interior
2 chamber flowmasters, Bassani off-road X-pipe, MAC cold air induction, Kirban short throw, Heavy duty 3 core radiator, FMS 3:73's, Timing bump to 14 degrees, SRP billet racing pedals, Kenwood sound system

[Special K]

Why mod a 4cyl!? ... why have a Mustang when you can have a Camaro, why have a camaro when you can have a viper!? Its not hoe fast it came from the factory its about how fast you built it... there is FWD cars in the 8s now... everything is possible and its sure $%?%?&%?& fun to see the face of a V8 owner when you beat him with a little 4cyl ... I mean whats wrong with I4!? There is a shelby charger at my track ...he is running 10.16s... thats ok!? but if I had a 11s civic it would be a waste of money!? its all about good tatse... I hate riceboy as much as you guys do... but I like fast 4cyl too.. like this one... its my friend civic... no fart tip, no stickers, no wings... SLEEPER.. and this little civic is running low 13s ......
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1276387&a=9456519&p=36207918

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1276387&a=9456519&p=36207928


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[95mustanggt]

That is a nice little civic. Glad to see that it has no wings. How does this car run low 13's? No Flame here, just want to know what he's done to the car to make it run in the 13's that's all. (I'm talking 1/4 not 1/8 of a mile http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/wink.gif)

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Dynomax Cat-Back
Offroad H-pipe
K&N Filters w/o Air Silencer
My 1995 Mustang GT (http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/ViewIt.cgi?http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?948)

[Lizard King]

<b>AWD has nothing to do with more spending more fuel 90DPSCOUPE!!</B>

TURBO asks gives the engine more air, therefor the engine requires more fuel or else their is detonation.

As for the 4 banger situation,... There is nothing wrong in getting a I4 to race, but you can go a hell of a lot faster with equivalent money on any V8. Stock or modified.

Plus front wheel drive does not work down the track.

[Special K]

The civic you see got a JDM B16A2 (like Civic SI engine) so its a 1.6L and he got a Jackson Racing Supercharger at 10psi, plus the basic bolt on... the car is about 2200lbs


sure FWD is not the best for the track... but there is 8s FWD cars now ......

[tom351]

AWD can cause slightly lower fuel mileage because you have more drivetrain to spin.

10psi to run 13's?!?! thank god for V8's!

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67 Fastback - Arctic White Pearl paint
351W 415 hp, Trick Flow Alum. Heads, C-4 Trans, 3.55 gears, Front Disc Brakes, 1-1/8" Fr. 3/4" rear sway bars.

http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs/pictures/Listing1245-slot2.jpg

[Lizard King]

Just for you Special K!

http://www.mustangworld.com/ourpics/News/select12/sebastia5.jpg

If i'd want a light 4-banger, I'd get a Harley.

hehehe http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/biggrin.gif


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Lizard King - 00GT
>> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock.

"I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors

[tom351]

The civic is cool because it is quick and it does not have rice crap all over it. That car is not what I call a ricer. Ricers however, are slow by nature, because my opinion of a ricer is all show and no go. This car is the opposite. I personally do not like Japanese cars however at least I can respect a car like that one because the owner is obviously more concerned with going fast than trying to look fast.

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67 Fastback - Arctic White Pearl paint
351W 415 hp, Trick Flow Alum. Heads, C-4 Trans, 3.55 gears, Front Disc Brakes, 1-1/8" Fr. 3/4" rear sway bars.

http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs/pictures/Listing1245-slot2.jpg

[smithbling]

An AWD system gets worse gas mileage compared to a FWD or RWD simply because of weight. The AWD on Talons adds on average 200lbs or so. Consequently, the gas mileage suffers.

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http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs/pictures/Listing1248-slot1.jpg
88 coupe
14.75 @ 98 mph
Traction Limited

[95mustanggt]

Ya, I can respect a car that is quick (quick not fast) and has no ricer wings on it. It all comes to personaly taste. Someone might like a civic and the anoying fart-can sound. I do not. But If everyone liked the same things the World would be pretty boring.

Tom351 is right, I can respect this guy, I may not agree with his choice in cars, but I can respect him.

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[95mustanggt]

I just hope those 2 kids in the picture don't grow up thinking all honda's are quick...

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[This message has been edited by 95mustanggt (edited 01-02-2001).]

[Lizard King]

Hey smithbilling.

I concur that AWD is heavier and hence harder on gas.

But the bulk of difference between an AWD and normal FWD (ESI model) for the TALON is the TURBO.

Why?
The second your turbo neddle spools, your gas pump is pumping hard. Have you ever followed a TSI when they step on it.... it stinks. They run rich... cuz rich safe. No detonation.

Believe me, an engine that generates 140hp that is pushed to 210hp loves to burn gas.

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Lizard King - 00GT
>> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock.

"I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors

[tom351]

Hey 95, maybe we can start a charity for the unlucky children who are born into ricecar families with no chance to learn about real speed!

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67 Fastback - Arctic White Pearl paint
351W 415 hp, Trick Flow Alum. Heads, C-4 Trans, 3.55 gears, Front Disc Brakes, 1-1/8" Fr. 3/4" rear sway bars.

http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs/pictures/Listing1245-slot2.jpg

[Try Me]

Let's face it.. these co called 8sec Civic's are NOT Civic's.
They are 400Lbs of reinforced steel propelled by 4cyl engine capable of making no more than run per engine overhaul.

[Special K]

Originally posted by Try Me:
Let's face it.. these co called 8sec Civic's are NOT Civic's.
They are 400Lbs of reinforced steel propelled by 4cyl engine capable of making no more than run per engine overhaul.

What are you expecting from a 1.6L I4 making over 800hp!?!?! http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/smile.gif but you have a good point... faster then 12s civics are not really streetable anymore..

[fastang]

I would just like to make a point that the low 13 sec civic in the pic appears to have a type R motorswap. The engine is around 5 grand alone. He also had to buy the acessories and build on top of the motor that he swapped. I would love to motorswap my stang and compare timeslips.

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[fastang]

ok, frontwheel drive 4 bangers are hitting high 8's. Thats good, real good, but v8's are hitting mid to high 4's. Thats twice the cylinders and twice as fast.

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[Tom351]

I know many guys with stangs from stock to heavily modified, but I am still yet to meet one who has ever lost to a Civic. I am confident that most others here can say the same.

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351W ,Trick Flow Aluminum Heads, Edelbrock TorkerII, Comp. Cam, Performance Automatic C-4 Trans, 3.55 gears, Front Disc Brakes, 1-1/8" Fr. 3/4" rear sway bars.

My 351W Fastback (http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs/pictures/Listing1245-slot1.jpg)
http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs/pictures/Listing1245-slot2.jpg

[95mustanggt]

Originally posted by tom351:
Hey 95, maybe we can start a charity for the unlucky children who are born into ricecar families with no chance to learn about real speed!



LOL, that is hilarious! We could call the charity SAD HONDA. The profits could be turned into parts to make our cars faster to help all the needy kids.


S Speed
A Addiction
D Disorder

H Honda’s
O Opened-up
N Never
D Dash
A hAstily

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[Special K]

Originally posted by fastang:
I would just like to make a point that the low 13 sec civic in the pic appears to have a type R motorswap. The engine is around 5 grand alone. He also had to buy the acessories and build on top of the motor that he swapped. I would love to motorswap my stang and compare timeslips.



No that is not a Type R engine... its an old 1989 B16A from Japan... with a red valve cover. He his one of my friend...so I think I know http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/smile.gif

[fastang]

The B16a is a very stout motor. I know a few people who use them. Performance parts are horribly expensive for them but they can be quite impressive with the right combo. Even if its not a type R motor it still couldnt have been cheap to build.

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[Guffinator]

C'mon guys...let's give some credit. I see SO MANY gutless imports running 15's and 16's that consider themselves to be fast that I HAVE to respect the ones that do turn good times. Honda's CAN turn 12's....any car that runs a 12 gets my respect...especially when it's a Honda. That doesn't mean I want one...I just respect it.

[Special K]

Originally posted by Guffinator:
C'mon guys...let's give some credit. I see SO MANY gutless imports running 15's and 16's that consider themselves to be fast that I HAVE to respect the ones that do turn good times. Honda's CAN turn 12's....any car that runs a 12 gets my respect...especially when it's a Honda. That doesn't mean I want one...I just respect it.

I have to second that... a 12s Mustang, Camaro, Honda, even Hyunday will get my respect... except if the car is covered of rice... http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/smile.gif

Here is another member of my club... I dont know If I posted that picture before.... but here it is anyway... that one is good for 12.3 on the 1/4 http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/smile.gif
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=985393&a=7240102&p=34369158&Sequence=0

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=985393&a=7240102&p=34369165&Sequence=0&res=high


B18C1 turbo
300 dino/hp or 345 hp motor
12.30 @115 mph
Garret T03/T04
Advence EFI fuel et timming computer with lcd
HKS SSBV
Front mount intercooler
4 additionnal 52 lbs/hr injecteurs
custom intake
custom manifold
NewformZ Blockguard
costom pressure plate
255lbs/hr fuel pump
3¨down pipe
exaust


[This message has been edited by Special K (edited 01-08-2001).]

[Special K]

Originally posted by Guffinator:
C'mon guys...let's give some credit. I see SO MANY gutless imports running 15's and 16's that consider themselves to be fast that I HAVE to respect the ones that do turn good times. Honda's CAN turn 12's....any car that runs a 12 gets my respect...especially when it's a Honda. That doesn't mean I want one...I just respect it.

I have to second that... a 12s Mustang, Camaro, Honda, even Hyunday will get my respect... except if the car is covered of rice... http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/smile.gif

Here is another member of my club... I dont know If I posted that picture before.... but here it is anyway... that one is good for 12.3 on the 1/4 http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/smile.gif
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=985393&a=7240102&p=34369158&Sequence=0

http://clubcivicquebec.com/ETourigny6.jpg

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=985393&a=7240102&p=34369165&Sequence=0&res=high


B18C1 turbo
300 dino/hp or 345 hp motor
12.30 @115 mph
Garret T03/T04
Advence EFI fuel et timming computer with lcd
HKS SSBV
Front mount intercooler
4 additionnal 52 lbs/hr injecteurs
custom intake
custom manifold
NewformZ Blockguard
costom pressure plate
255lbs/hr fuel pump
3¨down pipe
exaust

[97snakedriver]

I do get tired of the I/H/E SI, now I run 10s crowd, but I do respect, and am interested, in fast cars of any brand.

BTW, why does it seem that every powerful (modified) Honda's dyno graph look like it was drawn by my grandmother, IE, shakey, not to mention peaky?

[90dpscoupe]

That dyno sheet looks wrong!

[Unit 5302]

No **** , that dyno sheet is totally bogus! What the hell are you posting BS for? Dumbass! Torque and HP have to cross at 5250rpm, by the laws of physics.

Ah hell, I noticed that before, but I must have read it wrong! Crap. Half way into my numbers crunching I went from one line to the other.

Dang it


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[97snakedriver]

Originally posted by Unit 5302:
No **** , that dyno sheet is totally bogus! What the hell are you posting BS for? Dumbass! Torque and HP have to cross at 5250rpm, by the laws of physics.

Look at the scales. They do "cross". Its just that the torque is scaled differently then the hp. I guess to make it easier to read.

BTW: The "lower" curve is hp.

[90dpscoupe]

What! thats a retarded curve, i hope i dont ever use any dynos like that. Im still not reading it right then

[302 LX Eric]

That's odd, my dyno sheet looks nothing like the one pictured above. Why are the scales not equal? Why is the "curve" not a curve? And what's up with all the spikes?

Lets see, I have 289 RWHP & 312 RWTQ so I guess my Stang would be running low 12's and 110+ mph if I could just figure out how to drop say...1000 lbs!!! http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/biggrin.gif

Later, E

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1991 5.0 LX Coupe -37,800 miles

13.17 @ 106.14 mph w/ 2.138 60'

Pro-Charger D-1SC on the way!!!

[Try Me]

That's weak man!
Also, whenever i pull up on suspension-less econo car like the black one you posted, i have no choice but to offer them a srewdriver and wood screws.. he'll need these to fasten the doors back on after i blow them off at the next stop light!!!

Furthermore, doesn anyone have any proof that fart cans make more power asides from lot's of noise?
"George Foreman rice cooker - attaches to your exhaust for annoying bumble bee effect - can be heard within 3 square miles"

I think the LIZARD KING should say something here.

[Guffinator]

Originally posted by Try Me:
doesn anyone have any proof that fart cans make more power asides from lot's of noise?
"George Foreman rice cooker - attaches to your exhaust for annoying bumble bee effect - can be heard within 3 square miles"

I think the LIZARD KING should say something here.

I'd like to know that myself. I'd bet that those annoying fart pipes don't help much at all if any. If I had an import I would PURPOSELY stay away from one of those.



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89 GT 5.0

Big hit of NITROUS!!

[NoSlow5.0]

I think it's the funiest damm thing how we you guys took over tangy stangy's post and booted him out. Like going to a party and kicking the host out of his own house http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/biggrin.gif I also think that dyno looks really fuced up, all the peaks and sh1t. BTW: if these cars are really running those times, how can a stock trans in am import hold up to that kind of power? Serious question, i really would like to know Light Em Up!!! http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/smile.gif

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[88GT5.013.02]

Their transmissions don't hold up that well. They are supposed to but they don't. My buddy has a Honda CRX that I put a turbo on (non v-tec) (T03/04 hybrid). He spent lots o' money on the shortblock to handle 20+ lbs of boost. He was only running 10lbs of boost (@190-200 at the wheels) and blew his trans. I have yet to take a hell run yet, but when I do I'll let you know. BTW he said I could drive it with full 20+ lbs of boost.

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[Try Me]

My chum had a newer 4WD Turbo Talon.
In three years i'm told he went through 3 tranny's.

It's like... only drive it hard twice a year, or else the driveline grenades.

As for the 'Stang... i wonder how many hundreds of thousands of launches, burnouts, doughnuts and powershifts it would take to acheive a driveline failure.

[IRACERICE]

Originally posted by NoSlow5.0:
BTW: if these cars are really running those times, how can a stock trans in am import hold up to that kind of power? Serious question, i really would like to know Light Em Up!!! http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/smile.gif



To answer your question. The B-series (i.e. DOHC)transmissions hold up very well. The 8 sec honda people were referring to before utilizes a honda 5 speed transmission as well as all other honda powered fast race cars out there. My trannies in my cars have take 6000+ rpm launches (7000 in the crx) on slicks every weekend during the race season and they are still good. Keep in mind that the trannies i use in the crx are 10 years old, In my del sol I replaced the diff with a lsd. Seems like my friends in the 14 and 13 second mustangs have more tranny problems than I do in my 12 second cars, and they run street tires. So actually the trannies are pretty strong and can handle alot of power. One serious question from me. How many 5 speed, clutch powered mustangs are there out there than run 8s and 9s. Just would like to know. BTW is that civic hatch a stock motor or built?

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93 del sol 12.14 @ 115.8 (retired)
on order: 2001 Spa yellow S2000
still have: 91 crx 12.49 @ 108 mph

[MercDude]

I don't know about anyone else in this club, but how come i've killed 2 hondas that look exactly like that black one? they were lowered with big wheels and tires... although one gave me a run for my money (cause screwed up shifting auto :|) I really like how those cars look, but i don't like any type of imports... most of the stuff is cheap as$ sh!t... yeah the engines last a long time, but it's all about what the engine is designed for. I know of plenty of guys who are running their 5.0 V8's with 200K miles on it and it still doesn't smoke or use oil! Dependable vs. speed... what do you want? economy = dependability... you do the math! why do you think hondas suck at street racing, but they are said to be very dependable? It's all about DESIGN!!

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'63 Merc Meteor hardtop, warm 302, C4 auto, 2.25" Flowmaster Exhaust,
'65 289 heads - ported/chevy valves, performer cam, edelbrock f4a intake, full length hookers, 600 holley, roller rockers, k'n, 10.5:1 hyperutetic pistons... mid 13's hoping to reach into 12's

[95mustanggt]

I was at a buddies shop (for oil patch trucks) I was helping my buddy fix his brakes and one of his co-workers was in there with a 2 year old TSi AWD Talon. It was a nice looking car, but he was changing out his 2nd clutch and 1st transmission. I've had my car for 2 years and drive it hard and yet my tranny and clutch are fine.

I'm not an import hater or anything, but I've heard this story one too many times to believe that some of these cars are able to hang out with mustangs, LS1, Corvettes etc, etc. I'm not saying imports can't hold up, but some of the lower cost imports that everyone thinks are so great have not faired so well. Just my experience.

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White 1995 Mustang GT
Dynomax Cat-Back, Offroad H-pipe, K&N Filters w/o Air Silencer
My 1995 Mustang GT (http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/ViewIt.cgi?http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?948)
http://members.mustangworks.com/95mustanggt/images/must-white.jpg

[97snakedriver]

Originally posted by IRACERICE:

To answer your question. The B-series (i.e. DOHC)transmissions hold up very well. The 8 sec honda people were referring to before utilizes a honda 5 speed transmission as well as all other honda powered fast race cars out there. My trannies in my cars have take 6000+ rpm launches (7000 in the crx) on slicks every weekend during the race season and they are still good. Keep in mind that the trannies i use in the crx are 10 years old, In my del sol I replaced the diff with a lsd. Seems like my friends in the 14 and 13 second mustangs have more tranny problems than I do in my 12 second cars, and they run street tires. So actually the trannies are pretty strong and can handle alot of power. One serious question from me. How many 5 speed, clutch powered mustangs are there out there than run 8s and 9s. Just would like to know. BTW is that civic hatch a stock motor or built?



Not too many. When most people get serious enough to build a 8 second or faster Mustang they usually switch to an auto for consistancy, and between Ford and GM, there are seriously beefy autos you can get pretty cheap, C4, C6, ect.

But how many 8 second, street car (stock unibody, not tube body) based, Hondas are there exactly? I have some friends that are seriously into this, and I seem to remember a NSX in the 7s, and the record for a "Civic" somewhere in the very high 8s. (???)

BTW, any insite on why modified Hondas tend to dyno so "crazily"?

[IRACERICE]

Honestly there are no stock unibody hondas in the 8s. The fastest unibody in the world is lisa kubo at 9.21 @ 158 (or 159)- all turbo on regular race gas..i.e. not alcohol. The fastest unibody Quick class car is a AWD talon that runs NOS too at 9.1X (sean Glazer). The 8.71 FWD honda is full tube frameand hits traps in excess of 167 mph... I understand that it is easy and more consistent to run auto, I just wondered if anyone was stupid enough to use a 5 speed trans. Unfortunately, Honda people have no choice right now.

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93 del sol 12.14 @ 115.8 (retired)
on order: 2001 White S2000
still have: 91 crx 12.46 @ 108.5 mph