'01 Type-R

[StreetStang37]

I didn't race a Integra Type R or anything. Just posting cuz my friends mom is buying him (spoiled CRAZY!) a 2001 Integra Type-R. Its signed off and everything, it'll be picked up on Saturday. HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO DRIVE A STICK!! Im supposed to teach him. He's only 16 and his other car got stolen. He had a '97 V6 Accord and got rims lowered and like $5K suspension and $8K stereo among other things when HE WAS 15!! Didn't even have his license! The Insurance valued the car and all his stuff at like $37K but he got (his mom actually) rammed and only got $19K.

The thing Im excited about is he is leaving to go on a snowboarding vacation on SUNDAY and is leaving the car with ME!! He wants me to break in the engine for him, so he told me to drive it as much as possible (I know, no revving to high or speeding) so it would be ready when he gets back. I'll make sure of that! Nice job huh. Sorry it was so long!

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1993 Mustang GT - March Ram Air, K & N filter charger, Pullies, Super Competition Hooker Headers, 2 1/2 in. mendrel bent cat back, High Flow H-Pipe, Pro 5.0 Power Tower

[StreetStang37]

An yes, it's a real '01 Integra Type-R and not a GSR http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/biggrin.gif

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1993 Mustang GT - March Ram Air, K & N filter charger, Pullies, Super Competition Hooker Headers, 2 1/2 in. mendrel bent cat back, High Flow H-Pipe, Pro 5.0 Power Tower

[Sac68]

You're going to be dissappointed with it, and while driving constantly saying "wheres my torque". You'll miss your Mustang and constantly compare the two cars.

I drove an S2000 awhile back, and was dissapointed to say the least.

Over all they're good cars, but they don't call them "Hype Rs" for nothin'.

[SMOKE]

Wow!! Does this kid's mother want to adopt a 30 yr old??? I could use a ITR as the daily driver.

[StreetStang37]

If I get tired of it, Ill just drive my car. My other friends (all with slow cars) are all jealous of me cuz his mom trusts me with it and not them http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/biggrin.gif

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1993 Mustang GT - March Ram Air, K & N filter charger, Pullies, Super Competition Hooker Headers, 2 1/2 in. mendrel bent cat back, High Flow H-Pipe, Pro 5.0 Power Tower

[302 LX Eric]

Aaaaa...Hell! Screw the friendship thing and go ring that baby out at the track!! http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/biggrin.gif

Let's see what all of this "R" crap is about!! Just remember that you will need to rev that little 4 cylinder to about 8500 to get the "power" (and I use that term lightly) out of it.

Now go race it and report back to us with ETs and MPHs! My guess is a 15.1 @ 90 mph.

E

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1991 5.0 LX Coupe -37,800 miles

13.17 @ 106.14 mph w/ 2.138 60'

Pro-Charger D-1SC on the way!!!

[Five0]

My guess is you get spanked by a mustang!

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nochevy@hotmail.com
1991 Mustang LX (http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?860)
12.565 @109.38mph 1.764 60ft

[Silver2000GT]

How could you let this happen?? You should of convinced him to buy a real car, you are his friend for goodness sakes!!!

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1999 Metallic Blue Pontiac Trans Am
MAF, K/N and Whisper Lid
2000 Silver Ford
Mustang GT
B&M ripper shifter

[spinemup]

its going to be registered and all in one day? the kid aint old enough to drive... why would it be registered?

[StreetStang37]

The Ford dealership talked his mom out of a GT or a Cobra, they wanted to sell him a six banger so they just went to honda. I really tried to talk him in to getting a V8 of either a Z28 or GT or Cobra but he got that. Honest!

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1993 Mustang GT - March Ram Air, K & N filter charger, Pullies, Super Competition Hooker Headers, 2 1/2 in. mendrel bent cat back, High Flow H-Pipe, Pro 5.0 Power Tower

[StreetStang37]

He's 16 now and shell let me drive it even then with out registration!

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1993 Mustang GT - March Ram Air, K & N filter charger, Pullies, Super Competition Hooker Headers, 2 1/2 in. mendrel bent cat back, High Flow H-Pipe, Pro 5.0 Power Tower

[95mustanggt]

Originally posted by StreetStang37:
The Ford dealership talked his mom out of a GT or a Cobra, they wanted to sell him a six banger so they just went to honda. I really tried to talk him in to getting a V8 of either a Z28 or GT or Cobra but he got that. Honest!



I would have to question the intelligence of this dealership.



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White 1995 Mustang GT
Dynomax Cat-Back, Offroad H-pipe, K&N Filters w/o Air Silencer
My 1995 Mustang GT (http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/ViewIt.cgi?http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?948)
http://members.mustangworks.com/95mustanggt/images/must-white.jpg

[fastang]

95mustangGT, I totaly agree and dont worry, that chips comin.

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[Tom351]

Just think of the Mustang he could have built for that much.

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351W ,Trick Flow Aluminum Heads, Edelbrock TorkerII, Comp. Cam, Performance Automatic C-4 Trans, 3.55 gears, Front Disc Brakes, 1-1/8" Fr. 3/4" rear sway bars.

My 351W Fastback (http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs/pictures/Listing1245-slot1.jpg)
http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs/pictures/Listing1245-slot2.jpg

[inferno]

You act like a Type-R is a terrible car....like a Escort or Focus or some other POS. It will run a high 14 quarter which is good enough to surprise some stock 5.0's and it handles better than a Mustang.

[Rev]

inferno, not bad cars, just not really quick. You know this as well as the rest of us.

Rev

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'66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph
1/4 mi.

[inferno]

I know that they aren't as fast as the 99 and up GT's, but they can hang with GT's from 98 down stock vs stock. I just think some people on this board give them less credit than they deserve.

[Rev]

So 15.0 flat/92 or so? Or what?

Rev

[inferno]

A Type-R will run in the high 14's and 94ish.

[Rev]

That's a 4 banger Integra, right? Not bad.

Rev

[Sac68]

High 14s? Are you sure about that? From what I hear they've run 15.2-15.3.... Which to me would suggest that buying a Civic Si would be a smarter route for the prospective Honda buyer.

[Unit 5302]

Well inferno here we go again. Yes, and Integra Type R will hang with a SN95 Mustang GT stone stock for stock. It will not hang with a Fox GT. Any Mustang 5.0 with a stick from 1987-1993 WILL beat an Integra Type R hands down. With simple freebies, they will whoop a Type R. With the same freebies an SN95 5.0 will also beat a Type R hands down, no problems.

You say the Integra handles better than a Mustang GT. That is totally false. Have you read the article in SCC where they got an ego, and they decided to pit the Type R vs the new GT. Dispite having no idea how to drive a V-8 musclecar they were unable to get the Type R to beat the 'Stang on a road course. In fact on the regular road course the stang handed the Type R it's *** . Then they went to a very tight course and were unable to beat the stang by more than 1/2 a second. Their times in the quarter show that they could have gotten a full 3-4 tenths quicker in the stock GT. They have no idea how to drive it, yet it still whoops the car they do know how to drive.

Let's get real. The Integra Type R is an overpriced, underpowered, pathetic attempt to compete with a Mustang. Oh but it does get pretty good gas mileage for a high powered rice burner.

[fastang]

Whats up with everyone thinking that SN95 5.0's are slow? A stick fox is only a tenth quicker because it 200 lbs lighter. I dont think any typeR will beat a stock SN95. Not even close.

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95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, 355's K&N, off road pipes, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, weld in subframe connectors

[waldoo28]

I have a question for UNIT. I have raced a friend who owns a stock 93 GT. When my car was stock w/ only a B&M shifter. His car is auto. I beat him by about a car up to 90. Is there that much difference in performance between a stock auto vs. a stock 5-speed, for the fox body? Just curious, because it sounds like the type-r would give my car a run stock vs. stock, based on the discussions I have read.

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96 GT: MAC CAI, 87MM MAM, 70MM TB, MAC 2.5" h w/cats, American Thunder catback, 373, FMS pulleys, Ripper Shifter, PPIII, 160 thermostat.
Yet to put on: MAC control arms/lowering springs, Steeda timing adjuster.

[Unit 5302]

The AOD in stock form is a very slow tranny. It'll cost a couple tenths in the 1/4 easy vs a 5 speed. The 5 speed is trickier to launch, but it can net 1/2 sec over the auto when driven very well. It's really the same tranny as what your '96 would get if it were an auto.

To get any better than a mid 15 out of a stock 4.6 GT with an auto would be pretty difficult. Your car, with the 5spd, should be a low 15 second car stone stock. I'd expect a stone stock '93 GT auto to run real high 14's. The '93's had some really crappy computers though, and maybe your buddies car just wasn't putting on it's best show. Still it's it's certainly believable you could hang with him, so could a Type R for that matter, but unless I'm mistaken, the Type R doesn't come with an auto and that makes it a little uneven for comparison.

For the bare basic numbers an AOD will rob about 22%, the T-5 drivetrain is around 17%. That alone means about 10hp less at the wheels, plus less aggressive gearing and slow shifting. Manually shifting the AOD can net a tenth easy. It's more of a crusing tranny than a race tranny, when stock.

fastang I've seen numbers posted on the Type R that it's capable of running a 14.7 or so. That's just about perfect. Most you'll see in the low 15's. The rice crowd likes to believe that will beat a 5.0 because most 5.0's you see run mid 14's stone stock. That's the average though. A quick stock stang with just freebies can run damn near 14 flat for the SD 5.0's, and the MAF cars are in the low 14's. The SN95's run high 14's stone stock. With an Integra running it's best, and a stone stock SN95 running pretty well they would be pretty even. Freebies on a SN95 5.0 can net the big advantage though. 200 lbs actually means about 2 tenths in the quarter.

As far as an Integra Type R taking an SN95 5.0 5 speed car vs car, you're right. It won't happen. The drivers are the only thing that can even it out.

The biggest thing I've begun to notice with the rice crowd is that they quote the car's potential performance. The best numbers you'll ever see the car's pull. We quote average performance 'cause we don't want to sound quite so cocky, especially because we've been driving and learning about cars for more than the last 5 years and so have a great many other stangers who'll put you right back into your place if you start coming up with a whole bunch of BS. That suddenly makes the battlefield look more even to them or something. The import crowd is anxious to prove they can hang with the real musclecars out there. With the very small exception, they can't.

[This message has been edited by Unit 5302 (edited 02-05-2001).]

[90dpscoupe]

Yep, take my car for instance, all stock except for cold air induction, and electric fan, running 13.9, yea a type-r could hit 14.7, but like unit said thats a perfect driver, i could do that with my air silencer and stock clutch fan, on bald tires, but as far as handling, well maybe without my front sway, it might outhandle me, pretty sure..for a type-r to hit 13.9 it would need some turbo induction or sumpin lol, but for a 4 banger pretty good.

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90 lx coupe: Mac cold air fenderwell, accel supercoil,advncd ignition,3-core radiatr, FMS alum D/S, Black magic fan, 3.27grs, 3chbr flows.
Best time: 13.9116(on 225/60/15 firehawks)
Best mph: 97.80
Best 60': 2.0047

next mods: subframes, mac h-pipe

[nosfed]

Maybe I live a sheltered life, but I've seen a fox lose to a ricer one time. Around Wichita Ks theres a guy named Kong that drives a civic hatchback with an Integra motor and nos, and it WILL outrun near stock mustangs. I've seen that thing run 12.90s on the track. He's actually a cool guy, used to buy his nitrous from me. Anyway, it's refreshing to see a guy like that: respectable car and a decent attitude.

Other than that, on the street with real cars and real drivers and real conditions, all those ricers just get killed. In fact, the ricers have their own place they race, and everybody else races other places.

[nosfed]

Maybe I live a sheltered life, but I've seen a fox lose to a ricer one time. Around Wichita Ks theres a guy named Kong that drives a civic hatchback with an Integra motor and nos, and it WILL outrun near stock mustangs. I've seen that thing run 12.90s on the track. He's actually a cool guy, used to buy his nitrous from me. Anyway, it's refreshing to see a guy like that: respectable car and a decent attitude.

Other than that, on the street with real cars and real drivers and real conditions, all those ricers just get killed. In fact, the ricers have their own place they race, and everybody else races other places.

[tra9379]

I've raced a few of those with supposedly awesome drivers and spanked the hell out of them. And all my car has is full exhaust, K&N panel, timing up to 14 and a shift kit. Easily 4 to 5 cars bhind me.

I also believe that they are overpriced and underpowered rice mobiles.

[dinomite]

Don't worry streetstang, just wait till that spoiled kid crashes that R and make him buy a mustang..........

[Sac68]

Its not impossible to create a fast Honda; its just more costly, time consuming, and difficult than creating a fast Ford.

A guy around here used to drive around and race an older Civic CRX with an built Integra GSR motor and a 50 shot...I believe he ran mid 12s and suprised alot of Mustang and Fbody guys. I have nothing but respect for a car like that; a lot of time and effort went into making an underdog with decent performance that no one expects.

This is the exception though, most Hondas are 17 second cars with big wings and goofy wheels. Which is what gives the few real "import enthusiasts" bad reputations...oh well, better them than us.

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98 Mustang coupe 3.8L V6
87 Mustang GT hatchback 5.0L V8
87 Bronco XLT 4bbl 351W

My mom drives a 99 Mustang GT convertable.

[95mustanggt]

I don't know, I saw a guy in a riced out V6 stang last night. he could only see the top of my car from the front, and he was giving me some attitude. As soon as the GT badges and dual exhaust showed them selves he turned away and quickly made an exit down another street. I guess he was smart enough to know he'd get his *** handed to him (assuming he didn't have a blower to something).

Sad part is that with the rims and body work he spent on the car, he could of have a GT! Oh well I guess to each his own, right?

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White 1995 Mustang GT
Dynomax Cat-Back, Offroad H-pipe, K&N Filters w/o Air Silencer
My 1995 Mustang GT (http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/ViewIt.cgi?http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?948)

[StreetStang37]

Okay, its a nice little car. I can chirp the tires even in third. Must be a little easier than RWD cars, I dunno. Its not too fast. It feels fast cuz it revs sooo high and kinda fast, but thats the gearing cuz the speedo shows Im going not as fast as it feels its going. We raced my brothers '94 9C1 LT1 (Caprice ex-cop car) and lost in the Type-R. Not by much but still lost. My brother probably runs a high 14 like 14.7-8 so the integra runs like a 14.9-15.1. Not too bad though. Its the Cobra or SS of rice rockets http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/biggrin.gif

[inferno]

Unit, you make me laugh with that comment about the SCC drivers not being able to drive a Mustang. What makes you think that? Do you think all imports are FWD? Do you not know about the 500hp 300ZX that is one of the SCC project cars? Or what about the 350hp RX7? I guess the fact that they drove the Mustang faster than the factory rated 1/4 mile time doesn't give any indication of the quality of driving either.

I have seen many 5.0's run high 14's stock. Since you want to play the magazine game, in the January MM&FF in the readers rides section on page 48, the 89 GT is running mid 14's with mods, and the 86 just above it is running low 14's with modifications. I have noticed this in other magazines as well. This leads me to believe that stock vs stock, a Type R can hang with a Fox as it is also a 14 second car. And I still can't believe you can say that the stock GT handles as good as a stock Type R. That is just plain hilarious.

[fastang]

An ITR will NOT beat a stick fox or SN95 5.0. A good friend of mine swapped an ITR motor into a 92 ls integra body. He got a racing trans and still only ran a 14.9 and thats a lighter body than the regular ITR. He put a header,full exh, and and induction and his best run was a 14.7. I hit a 14.6 STOCK.

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[fastang]

Oh, I seriously doubt that a new gt will out handle an ITR, but who gives a $hit anyway, its still slow.

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[inferno]

Hey fastang, a stock ITR is able to run high 14's. Unit brought up the SCC competition where the stock ITR ran a 14.6. I just pointed out examples of people running 14's in modified Foxes. The 89 ran a 14.5 with mods, and the 86 is running low 14's with mods. This leads me to believe that a stock ITR can take a stock Foxes and SN95's or at least be real close.

[smooth]

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[This message has been edited by smooth (edited 02-06-2001).]

[smooth]

who cares about an ITR. can you drop in a stroker crank, heads, cam, intake and longtubes and run 11s all day on motor?

the point is no one here cares about a car that is 95% maxed out from the factory and is slow to begin with, no matter how well it can front-tail around the corners.

[Unit 5302]

Allright. Lemme whip out a baseline for average stock Mustang GT non convert 5spds with good driving.

1987-1988 14.4@98mph
1989-1993 14.6@97mph
1994-1995 14.8@95mph
1996-1998 15.0@94mph
1999-2001 14.0@100mph

With freebies and better driving.

1987-1988 14.0@100mph
1989-1993 14.2@99mph
1994-1995 14.5@97mph
1996-1998 14.9@95mph
1999-2001 13.8@101mph

Now tell me. Which one of those can the Integra Type R outrun at a potential of 14.7@94?

If you want to pay for gears you can knock 3+ tenths off any of those times and still keep good fuel economy and drivability with the Stang.

As far as SCC getting a good time with the new GT at 14.3, even Motor Trend got a 14.0 out of it. They (SCC) found it fun to kick the *** end out and do a little Bo Duke driving around the road courses, which costs time. Sounds to me like they were having a blast, not getting the best time. So what if they have driven a TT RWD car? If you think a TT is anything like a N/A V-8 at the limits you are crazy. They came in there expecting to beat the Mustang in the straight and kill it in the twisties. They got whooped in the straight, whooped on the first road course, and managed a tiny edge in the super tight course. All with misquoting what kind of valvetrain the Mustang had, and with presumably NO experiance ever behind the wheel of the Ford.

[Super9089]

I'm new to computers let alone the internet so please forgive any errors.My 89 Lx is a completely stock long block with just gears ,exhuast & a few freebie tricks & I've run 13.17 @ 102 at New England Dragway in fantastic air with a 1.75 60 ft.

[Super9089]

All this stock Stang stuff is interesting.

I'm running a 89 LX hatch with a totally stock long block & original clutch. It has gears,exhuast & underdrives in addition to all the freebie tricks. My best run to date is 13.17 @ 101 mph with a 102 mph run later that day. this was in terrific air at New England Dragway in late Sept 2000. 1.75 60 ft.

[fastang]

An ITR hitting a 14.6 stock means that they bumped the timing real high, ran 94+ octane, dumped all the seats, radio, carpeting, both bumpers, put skinnies on the rear and farted REALY hard near the end to push that extra hundredth of a second to hit a 14.699.

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95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, 355's K&N, off road pipes, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, weld in subframe connectors

[Unit 5302]

Super9089

Not that I'm doubting, well okay a little, but a 13.17@101? I'd think a 13.17 would be more likely related to a trap speed of 105 or so. Did you launch on slicks? If you are stock with gears, freebies, and underdrives I'd expect your car to pull off mid 13's at best. Still I've seen Mr 5.0 post about a SD LX that ripped off a 13.8 with just freebies and the optional 3.08's with wicked driving so based on that your numbers seem more real.

Anyway, you're gonna have a ton of jealous Stangers out there if your numbers are real.

Later,
Unit 5302

[Fostang]

That has got to be the funniest post I've read to this day fastang....

[Super9089]

I run the car on MT ET Streets at 13psi. Launch is about 3000 rpm with shifts at 5000 by an autometer shift light. I run the car every weekend in NED super eliminator points class. For most of the season I ran 13.25 to 13.35 depending on conditions.
Also credit where credit is due NED does a great track prep.

[inferno]

Well, seeing that you guys are never going to accept a word I say on this topic, I might as well stop trying. 95% maxed out is exactly what the Type R is. All of you are 100% correct. I am wrong.

[SisuStang]

fastang - too funny!

inferno - why not compare the '01 Type-R to the '01 Mustang GT ????



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91 coupe
3.73's,long tubes,2 1/2" exh,ported stock t-body,ProM-77mm
cobra intake,edelbrock heads,B303,1.72 rr's
36lb inj's,tremec, & a Paxton NOVI 2000!!!
11.020 @128.95 on BFG Drag Radials (275/60/15)

[fastang]

Inferno, you are a very very knowlegable person and I do believe that an ITR could hit a 14.9 with perfect conditions, a great launch, lotsa VHT, and bumped timing. Its still stock. But I just dont think it will hit a 14.6. Thats pushin it dude. Three tenths is a LOT. I for one believe that an ITR will outhandle a GT but I dont realy care about handling but it wont outhandle a Cobra or even come close to a Cobra R. Super9089 those are great times, good job and great driving.

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95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, 355's K&N, off road pipes, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, weld in subframe connectors

[Guffinator]

This **** AGAIN!?

Once again...I hang out on a couple of different import boards, as well as seen several Type-R's at the strip. While I beleive a high 14 MIGHT be possible with perfect weather, perfect launch ect...the average that I see is low 15's. I've seen that over and over and over. My 89 GT BONE STOCK with 120,000 on the motor ran a 14.5 with bad wheelspin.

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89 GT 5.0

Big hit of NITROUS!!

[SMOKE]

Curious why the ITR is being compared to the Fox bodied Mustangs?

I would like to see a shoot out between an ITR, fox body and SN95 Mustang.
All stock to verify these opinions.

Interesting stuff.

[90dpscoupe]

Bumping timming on an ITR? lol, ok, now we have a match, a n/a 4 banger against a 5.0, (5sdp), cmon, i wouldnt lose, stock on stock, long as i can hook. now a stage 1 turbo, then he's in the park.

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90 lx coupe: Mac cold air fenderwell, accel supercoil,advncd ignition,3-core radiatr, FMS alum D/S, Black magic fan, 3.27grs, 3chbr flows.
Best time: 13.9116(on 225/60/15 firehawks)
Best mph: 97.80
Best 60': 2.0047

next mods: subframes, mac h-pipe

[StreetStang37]

Okay, how many of you guys have driven the Type R? I personally have one parked in my drive way, (even though its my friends http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/biggrin.gif ) and I can personally say its not that fast. The conditions and all the variables have to be perfect, including the planets aligning, to keep the car in the 14's, very high 14's at that. But the car is more like a consistant very low 15, enough to hang (I said hang, neaning it's up to the driver to do a little work) with an sn95 with a normal driver (none of us at the MustangWorks) especially the 96-98's. And also, most of the true mustang owners have their car modded so the only real ones he'll (my friend) will be able to keep up with and (gasp) even beat (though not by much) would be the wanna be automatic converts. But the car does have to launch between 4K and 5K, which will take a toll eventually.

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1993 Mustang GT - March Ram Air, K & N filter charger, Pullies, Super Competition Hooker Headers, 2 1/2 in. mendrel bent cat back, High Flow H-Pipe, Pro 5.0 Power Tower

[Try Me]

Looks like i cuaght this thread a little late.

I raced a lightly modded ITR with a great driver last fall in my stock '97 GT Vert at Luskville Speedway.

I run consistent 14.8 - 14.9 (Need to upgrade the heads to 01's)

In the 1320, i put about 2-car lenghts on the ITR..

If you ask me, they're way over-rated.
Practical though if you're on a budget with a wife and kids and you're looking for something sporty, maybe?