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[vande97]

Just thought i would share another exciting story with you guys. I live in lansing mi. right by MSU last night i was on my way home when a new Z28 ss pulled up next to me.( I have almost a complete stock 88lx).I thought i was in deep **** now, because i knew what was going to happen next. well the light turned green and we were off. (Mind you this is the first camarow i have raced). WEll to my suprize i got him by a car link to about 80mph. I LOVED IT, I BEAT HIM. he keeped messing with me after that but i decide that i ran my girl a little hard on that one so that was good enought for me. WEll i am still on my way home and he decided to get in front of me and flip me off as he was going on to the highway. So i decided to take him on the highway also again just a couple minutes out of my way, but woth it! well that race was another story. But i got $2,000 in my pocket saying does not do that again.
I love my mustang!!!!!!!!

[Unit 5302]

Just a pointer, but this really should have been posted in SRC. http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/smile.gif

Hehe, none of the LS1 guys are going to believe you. I saw an awesome quote from a stanger on LS1.com about the impossibility of an LS1 losing to a Mustang. I'm gonna have to save it. It was a riot. I actually printed it out.

It's also amazing how often the SD cars get picked on cause they are older, thus in the opponents eyes, slower. Hehe, boy are they shocked when they find out our cars can run!

Nice kill!

[Mr 5 0]

Moved to Street Racers Corner forum.

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Mr. 5.0
Messageboard Administrator

[LincoConti87]

Stock Lx vs a new ss? hahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaha
I hope stock means performance heads,exhaust and gears. If you beat him it was because he just learned to drive a stick shift last night. I'm not flaming....I am a big stang fan but read up on your competition.

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Rob meister
87 Lincoln Continental
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1545789&a=11720174&p=41688574

[Unit 5302]

Well, I guess I'd have to say I believe him. I've beaten 2 WS6 LS1's, and I've done pretty well, not losing ground behind an LS1 SS with my relatively stock 87GT.

Now the car's I've raced have all been converts, but I beat one of the WS6's by at least a couple cars to 70, and that was from a roll.

Most of the LS1's that people seem to see at the tracks run mid/high 13's@105ish. Whether that is related to the drivers not being able to drive or what I don't know. A freebie/stock 88LX coupe or hatch can run damn close to a 14.0@98 with solid driving. From a 0-80 the LS1 will outpower a 5.0, but if you get a solid jump and he's not the greatest driver it shouldn't be that hard holding one off to 80.

Also, please read a bit more deeply into his post, he's bascially admitting that he got burned trying to race the SS on the hiway.

Maybe you're a big Mustang fan and you've been reading up on the GM competition at LS1.com, but please, at least ask the mods before you attack him, the SD fox stangs are appearently a hell of a lot faster than what you realize.

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1987 GT 5spd.
D&D Performance "Z" spec T-5
Dynomax 2.5" Super Turbo system
BBK 2 1/2" H-pipe with cats

[69fastback]

Hey nice kill i hope i get to race an ls1 I sill have never gotten to. There are not many around my home town. A few old cameros to pick on though.

[90dpscoupe]

I can beleive this,

my car is not SD and i beleive i can pull 13.7 out of it, just got to open up the exhaust a little more.

hopefully i can hang like that with my aunts ws6 automatick 01, that sucker is nice, i should be able to hold my own until 70-80.

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90 lx coupe: Mac cold air fenderwell, accel supercoil,advncd ignition,3-core radiatr, FMS alum D/S, Black magic fan, 3.27grs, 3chbr flows.
Best time: 13.9116(on 225/60/15 firehawks)
Best mph: 97.80
Best 60': 2.0047

next mods: subframes, mac h-pipe

[QuantumMotorsports]

Just curious, but what kind of HP is the LS1 actually making? I'm not sure, but I think it's over 300. And the SS camaro probably weighs more, but not by much. Lets just say I would have loved to have seen the race.

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Michael Black
Quantum Motorsports
Norman, Oklahoma

1988 Merc Cougar 5.0 HO, P&Ped heads, 2.25" custom mandrel bent dual pipes, T5 five speed tranny
15.43 @ 91.08mph (not shabby for a 3600 pound car)
60' 2.453 Street tires suck!!!

[Unit 5302]

An LS1 weighs at least 400lbs more than a fox apples to apples.

The LS1 SS is rated at 320hp, however dyno numbers usually show 280-290rwhp indicating that it has more along the lines of 340hp at the crank.

Nobody will dispute an LS1 has more potential in stock form than an 88LX does, but that is just the car, not the driver.

I don't think you'll have a problem with hanging with your aunt up to 80 90dpscoupe, but after that, unless it's a vert your gonna be in a lot more hot water. http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/smile.gif

[SMOKE]

Congrats on the run. Good to see someone get excited over their car all over again.

http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/smile.gif

Don't doubt, anything is possible.
--bad shifts
--no traction

[90dpscoupe]

Yep, and my corvette kill is a perfect example of how anything can happen, driving and traction.

[LeadSled1]

The automatic LS1s weigh around 3400lbs. (Mine weighed 3450 on the scales at Desoto, fully optioned auto with alot of gas). There always comes a point when the better driver wins. Figuring my car ran 13.80 @ 100 stock a 14.0 @ 98 isn't far off. Some of these cars are hot from the factory and others are average just like any other car.


jess

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99 Z28 A4 3.23
Lid/Filter,MAF,MACs/OR,cutout,tb,MW3200 stall
321rwhp/330rwtq The Sled (http://www.zyworld.com/10795247.fc/The%20Sled.htm)
stock vs mods dyno (http://www.geocities.com/leadsled11999/Mvc-006s.jpg)
Time slip (http://www.geocities.com/leadsled11999/Mvc-008s.jpg)

[Mean50]

Well my best friend has a 99 Z28 6sp. Well I have drove the car a lot and there is no way that a stock 5.0 will come close to beating it. I have beat several cobras with it, even 99 Cobras. I am a diehard Mustang guy, but I admit his car is fast, and no stock mustang can take it. :-(

[Unit 5302]

Would you consider 4.10's and drag radials stock, cause a properly driven Cobra with those mods will beat it.

Unless your friend runs 12's? Stock.

[90dpscoupe]

On the track those ls1's really put up good numbers, and on the street anything can happen, so saying a stock 5.0, well lets say one with free mods bumped timing ect.. cant beat one is stupid, because you never know what a stock5.0 can beat, or what can beat it??

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90 lx coupe: Mac cold air fenderwell, accel supercoil,advncd ignition,3-core radiatr, FMS alum D/S, Black magic fan, 3.27grs, 3chbr flows.
Best time: 13.9116(on 225/60/15 firehawks)
Best mph: 97.80
Best 60': 2.0047

next mods: subframes, mac h-pipe

[Mean50]

First of all, my friends is all stock and can run low 13's. And throw a set of 4.10s and some radials and I would bet it would be somewhere in the 12s definately. Now I have never seen a cobra come close to two cars to it and that is stock too!!!
Stock 5.0s would run upper 14s and low 15s at the track. The only way that car could have beat that camaro, is they couldn't drive it or it is no where near stock.

[90dpscoupe]

Well i happen to know some near stock fox bodies in the high 13's, take mine for example? but yes those t/a's and camaros can run low 13's. If i had exhaust and a suspension setup i could be in the 13.4 area, but then it's that much more not stock.

Does your friend have stock grs, how many guys know of, or had a stang, usually 87-88 sd car that ran 13.8 around 99-100? probaly quite a few, so thats ls1 territory and on the street can handle an ls1, no flaming here just stating my opinions and what i've seen.

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90 lx coupe: Mac cold air fenderwell, accel supercoil,advncd ignition,3-core radiatr, FMS alum D/S, Black magic fan, 3.27grs, 3chbr flows.
Best time: 13.9116(on 225/60/15 firehawks)
Best mph: 97.80
Best 60': 2.0047

next mods: subframes, mac h-pipe

[Unit 5302]

Stock 5.0s would run upper 14s and low 15s at the track.
Mean50 stock 5.0's most certainly do not run upper 14's low 15's. If they are strong runners with a 5spd and non convert, even the SN 95 cars run mid 14's with freebies. If that's where your car is give us a run down on your mods and your times, we WILL help you run much quicker for very little $$. Barring of course your an AOD convert.

Sd Foxes run high 13's to real low 14's, MAF run 14flat's to low 14's.

I'm sure your buddy has a fast LS1, I don't care. Not all of those cars run low 13's from the factory. They are not easy to launch or control wheelspin with. It only gets worse on the street. A lot of Stang's have traction problems too, but many like mine, do not. An LS1 spinning badly will more than likely fall to my 5.0. Reeling cars in after a hole shot is NOT easy. It takes a ton more hp than beating them straight up.

[302 LX Eric]

I've seen low 13's to 14.0's at my local track from LS1's. Some are quick and some have a little less "get up and go" to them. Point is, he won and it was a street race. Anything can happen in a street race - do I sound like a broken record here?

In most cases, that same race would have probably gone the other way. Just enjoy the win, and oh,....start modding that LX!!! http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/biggrin.gif

E

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1991 5.0 LX Coupe -37,800 miles

13.17 @ 106.14 mph w/ 2.138 60'

Pro-Charger D-1SC on the way!!!

[Mean50]

Unit 5302

Well no I don't consider 4.10's stock, change the gear in the Z28 to 4.10's and it will help it and would be fair. I HATE to admit it, but stock vs. stock, the new Z28's will beat the mustangs. :-( (crying)

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89 LX Coupe
306, 10:1 compression, Holley Heads, Intake, and Cam package, 70 mm Throttle body and Mass Air, 30 lb injectors, 255 lph fuel pump, 1 5/8" full length headers, Flowmaster 2 1/2" American Thunder Cat back system, Centerforce dual friction clutch, 4.10 gears
50-175 hp Nitrous Works kit, 5" Auto Meter Shift Light

[Unit 5302]

You'll get no argument here.

Factory stock LS1 vs Factory stock 5.0/4.6, considering equal driving talents, the LS1 will beat any current production Ford Mustang (except R), and every production Ford Mustang back till 1970.

Tough to say what the old motors can do, but, the 428 Mach1's trap higher than the LS1, according to old tests, plus they have more low end.

I really, really need to get my Uncle to dyno his.

[vande97]

Sorry i have been out of town for the last few days and have not had time to review my post but i must say i did not think i would get that many replies. But all you guys can go to HE!! if you think i did not beat this sorry peice of crap Ls1. I laugh at the people that dont think this is possible, up to 80mph i had this guy, he was ripping threw the gears just as fast as i was! I did get the better jump tho. but as i said the highway was another story. but i just got my heads cam and intake today so i think i will put a big sign on my window saying (I HATE CHEVY)! I Would love to race one of these guys in an ls1 with my stock mustang. The only thing i have done to it before i raced this thing(CHEV) was a bigger TB, and Exhaust
For anyone that would like to race me I will Be at statin when the NMRA comes around this year you will know who i am( look For the SIGN I hate CHEV)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GONZO99TA]

vande97
nice kill on "that ss"! i would not get to thinking that they all run like that one or all drivers are as bad as that one.
oh just my opinion, but i would stop calling your mustang "stock". a TB and exhaust are not stock! my car is is stock 100% (no aftermarktet parts and no free mods, exactly the way the dealer delivered it).once you start modding it ain't ford vs chevy anymore, it is who is willing to spend more!

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99 30th annv. Trans am
79 Trans am black se

[vande97]

IF you remember right in the first post i wrote i said ALMOST stock! And i do Know the diff.between stock and none stock!

[95mustanggt]

Originally posted by Mean50:
Unit 5302

Well no I don't consider 4.10's stock, change the gear in the Z28 to 4.10's and it will help it and would be fair. I HATE to admit it, but stock vs. stock, the new Z28's will beat the mustangs. :-( (crying)




This is very true, stock vs. stock the LS1 are faster. But keep in mind that for the money that you save buying a mustang, you could buy the parts needed to make the car faster. So $ for $ the mustang is faster.

I have faith that the next body style stang will be even faster than ever! http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/smile.gif




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White 1995 Mustang GT
Dynomax Cat-Back, Offroad H-pipe, performacne chip, K&N Filters w/o Air Silencer
My 1995 Mustang GT (http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/ViewIt.cgi?http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?948)

[95mustanggt]

Oh and when my car was near stock, only K&N and cat-back, a took an LT1 pretty badly. He was gaining at 70 mph or so, but I did have him by 2 or 3 car lengths til then (hit the next red light). So I believe it is possible.

http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/smile.gif

[LeadSled1]

Not exactly true. The Z28 costs the same as the GT and when you could get the Cobras the SSs were cheaper. I got my 99 fully loaded for $22.5K.


jess

[95mustanggt]

Really!? Wow in Canada I don't think that's true. Before I bought my 95 GT, I looked at a couple Z28's and a firebird and a new GT. The used Z28 was almost as much as a GT, let alone the new Z28 and Firebird.

[fastang]

Dont worry 95mustanggt, you got the better car http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/tongue.gif Check out the prices of the aftermarket parts between the two cars.

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95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, 355's K&N, off road pipes, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors

[Mean50]

Well it isn't too hard to beat the LT1's b/c I have beat a few myself. I can give first hand info on the LS1's though b/c I drive my friend's all the time and I have raced anything that will run me. I like winning b/c I am driving, but beating a Mustang almost makes me cry! :-(

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89 LX Coupe
306, 10:1 compression, Holley Heads, Intake, and Cam package, 70 mm Throttle body and Mass Air, 30 lb injectors, 255 lph fuel pump, 1 5/8" full length headers, Flowmaster 2 1/2" American Thunder Cat back system, Centerforce dual friction clutch, 4.10 gears
50-175 hp Nitrous Works kit, 5" Auto Meter Shift Light

[Unit 5302]

Originally posted by GONZO99TA:

oh just my opinion, but i would stop calling your mustang "stock". a TB and exhaust are not stock!


HAHAHAHA! OMG... the exhaust and T/B probably gave him 5 horse unless he has an H-pipe. The T/B probably actually hurts. Dude, as far as I'm concerned, that IS stock performance. He could have gotten that by chucking the air pump, or giving it a tune up.

I can see it now when you get beat by a stock 'Stang. "Your car isn't stock!! You've got aftermarket hi-po plug wires!" That's the most ridiculous, pathetic, worthless excuse on why the X-brand car may have lost a race.

Course, then again when you post of your loss to the stock it'll read like this.

I barely lost to totally modded out 4.6 Cobra, I missed 2nd gear http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/mad.gif otherwise I would have had him. He had a 14psi intercooled supercharger. It was wicked! Damn, it would have been sweet to beat him. I spun too much off the line so he got like 5 carlengths right there, his 14spi boosted Cobra was no match for my stock LS1 though, I missed second, I was only back like 4 cars at that point, once I shifted into 3rd (where the LS1's really shine) I was reelin him in like a 2lb bass on 10lb test! http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/biggrin.gif What do those things have? Must've had like 300rwhp with the boost, cause my stock LS1 puts 320 to the ground and I barely had more!

[GONZO99TA]

unit 5302
my comment about his car being stock was not in any way an excuse for why the SS lost that race. if you would read it again i said that it was a nice kill on that SS. the SS driver lost that race. anything can happen on the street. hell i've even managed to beat a few 5.0's (very few http://www.mustangworks.com/interactive/msgboard/frown.gif )with my 79 ta (that is close to stock, it only has headers and better tires)
the comment about his car being stock was because i see too many people claiming things of cars that are supposed to be stock, then you find out that they changed this or that. whether it hurt or increased his performance does not matter to me. i just think people say that their cars are stock too often when they are not.

vande97
i was refering to this comment. you refer to your car as stock. also do i sense a little hatred towards gm :P
"if you think i did not beat this sorry peice of crap Ls1. I laugh at the people that dont think this is possible, up to 80mph i had this guy, he was ripping threw the gears just as fast as i was! I did get the better jump tho. but as i said the highway was another story. but i just got my heads cam and intake today so i think i will put a big sign on my window saying (I HATE CHEVY)! I Would love to race one of these guys in an ls1 with my stock mustang. The only thing i have done to it before i raced this thing(CHEV) was a bigger TB, and Exhaust"

[Unit 5302]

Headers and tires and you were taking 5.0's? Okay, well maybe the 1979-1980's, and the 1983-1986 CFI's.

Otherwise, I call total BS.

A 180hp car against a 175-225hp car that weighs 500lbs less and launches good is a pretty out there claim. Those 79 TA's were good for high 16sec quarters. La dee da. We used to take those things in my buddies 307 powered 84 Cutlass, and he would get slaughtered by every single 5.0 he raced. It was a nightmare to him. He'd go and race the early mid/late 70's and 80's Fbody cars and he'd beat them. Then he'd race mid 80's to later 5.0's and get whooped. It drove him insane. Every single time. He's now the owner of a '87 Mustang GT, if you can't beat 'em join em. He's never been happier. No more endless weekends working under the hood, no more days and nights under the pile trying to figure out what was wrong.

I heard there was some "special" limited edition Trans Am with a 455 or something that could actually run, but all the rest, including that sick *** 6.6L, 350, and whatever else they slapped in that thing that were just worthless. I beat those cars in my fricken 140hp Mustang II with an auto and 170k on the odometer, just plain pathetic dude.

You're talking a 2sec discrepency here. That's like claiming a 1996-1998 Mustang GT beat a couple LS1's, with just headers and tires. Yeah, not a prayer in hell.

As far as not calling his car stock? Like I said before, no gains worth mentioning, it's stock. His car probably hasn't even picked up a tenth over the factory time. What, do we start having to call our cars modified when we have SVO spark plug wires on them?

[GONZO99TA]

yup, you converted me.
i'm going to get rid of my ta's and get a 5.0 mustang, they are unbeatable! http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/rolleyes.gif