Where to street race Q's. Couldn't they be cops?

[jeb]

I've seen quite a few posts on where to street race in ---- (fill in the blank).

Maybe I'm paranoid here, but would'nt it be real easy for a policeman to get on this forum and ask where to street race. Now granted most of the time you just say where to meet up, but it would still be easy for them to find you. Just a thought

Not too long ago the Orlando steet races got busted, and the cops gave out like 200 or so tickets. That would suck


------------------
90LX Ragtop.
14.7@95.3
Strut tower brace, K&N, 2.25'' Flowmasters, Hollow cats, Crank pulley, Crane 2031, Crane rockers, Holley FPR, 155lph, Heavy duty clutch, and alum quadrant.
Need Gears Bad!!!

[dinomite]

Your average american cop is stupider than the president.

But that is a good point, eh?

[what_import]

I completely resent that last post! I am a Sheriffs' Deputy and would never consider doing that sort of sting! That is just not fair. I surely hope you don't think of all Law Enforcement personel to be as inadequate as you claim they may be?

[Power]

Originally posted by what_import:
I completely resent that last post! I am a Sheriffs' Deputy and would never consider doing that sort of sting! That is just not fair. I surely hope you don't think of all Law Enforcement personel to be as inadequate as you claim they may be?

Don't worry, those that think that are usually the ones that get busted. I hope I am also a cop in the next year or so, however, I would never do that either.

And I refuse to get into a flame war over the current presidential administration.

[lx mike]

I'm willing to bet that if you went to almost any town that the police there would know where the cars street race. they can't always be there busting them everytime they are racing. unless thry just moved there they have probly lived there a good bit of there lives and know about thing like this.

------------------
93-LX: 5 Speed, Flow's with H-Pipe, 3.73's Sub's and K&N.

[cockroach]

stupider...
LOL
Your stupider president are belong to us

[Fostang]

The police officers in this area know very well where the street racers are at and the hang outs. I know a few and I've asked them. They've also said that they don't worry too much about them as long as they aren't doing something like running people off the road or going thru stop lights. The reason they go and break up the local spots is because either people are complaining about the noise of the car or the meeting places are usually private owned parking lots where some moron tends to smoke his tires making the pavement ugly. I'm also planning to join law enforcement and to tell you the truth I'd doubt the D.E.A. would like to get involved with street racing unless Pablo Escobar was running his Ferrari.

------------------
67'fastback-Edelbrock carb,intake,cam,valve springs.Rhode lifters, CompCam rocker arms, windage tray,cerama coated headers,dual flows with H-pipe, modded c-4,tci stall converter,perma cool electric fan,aluminum water pump,griffen aluminum radiator,accel 8.8 cable,wide cap distriburator,magnetic pick up,v-matic hurst shifter,edelbrock performer nitrous, carter electric fuel pump,ignitor coil,solid motor mounts,magna racing suspension,poly urathane bushings,under rider traction bars, comp. eng. s

[90dpscoupe]

Yes, down here the cops pretty much know the spots, they seem pretty cool, and dont make too many arrest, yes they will arrest you for racing sometimes, especially if you ivade them, some cops are pricks, some of them are cool, will give warning and even compliment, and conversate about the persons car, and on our texas site we just send private e-mails, or call eachother to find out the new spots, not post in front of the world, cuz yes there is always a cop waiting to ruin someones life, but all the laws i talked to hear are real cool guys, heh http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif didnt know there was this many on this site, but hey they like the same hobby http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif im kinda scared because me an a Ls1 sped off the other night at the streetraces, of course i was spanking his a$$ off the line, and i see a camera flash from behind, so i worried thinking it could be the law snapping a pic of my license, out of all those people, i bet there is at least on law there.
Cops sometimes wait at the finish line to pull them over and start writing tickets, but it doesnt stop em, and some racers even have 2-way radios, or cell phones so they can watch out.
Be safe...peace

------------------
90 lx coupe: 175k miles, steeda water pump pully, hurst shifter, Mac cold air fenderwell, accel supercoil, ADS chip, aluminum D/S, Black magic fan, 3.27grs.
Best time: 13.9116(on 225/60/15 firehawks)
Best mph: 98.17
Best 60': 1.9607

next mods: subframes, mac h-pipe

[jeb]

I know most LEO's (law enforcement officers)could care less about street racing, but I live in Volusia County FL., and the V.C. Sherriffs are real pricks. They would give you a ticket for walking on the grass if they could.

I'm not saying anybody that fequents this site would do that, but there's nothing stopping one from registering on this site and finding out info on where and when. Just something to think about.
------------------
90LX Ragtop.
14.7@95.3
Strut tower brace, K&N, 2.25'' Flowmasters, Hollow cats, Crank pulley, Crane 2031, Crane rockers, Holley FPR, 155lph, Heavy duty clutch, and alum quadrant.
Need Gears Bad!!!

[This message has been edited by jeb (edited 06-05-2001).]

[Try Me]

They're all pigs. Period http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif

They've been cool here up until this spring.
As soon as we get the 100 or so cars parked, the cops show up in time to bust us after the third race http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/mad.gif !

The piggers wouldn't help me jack **** when my car was stolen this winter - but they're capable of dispursing crowds of hot rodders on a Friday night? What a bunch of dinks!

As for the law monitoring this board, or anyother board for that matter, is B.S.!
Those dorks can'r even monitor themselves.

[jerryIII]

it does'nt take the law long to shut down our favorite spots.. they currently have a 'no cruising ordinance' in one of our past favorite spots and the other spot has cops sitting every two blocks to ticket people for traffic violations and they passed an ordinance restricting parking on the street after 8:00 p.m.

obviously prime examples of nothing better to do...

------------------
Black, 84 GT, T5, ground effects, shorty headers, dual exh., rear spoiler from a 87..

[Fostang]

Well to protect oursleves we carry two way radios, cell phones, a video camera, scanners, and try to avoid big crowds of cars on our way to the spot. Last week someone got shot at one, some have even died their. It starts going down hill when new folks start showing off. Just calling attention on us. Oh yeah and there is a specific time we race and thats when the shift changes start.

------------------
67'fastback-Edelbrock carb,intake,cam,valve springs.Rhode lifters, CompCam rocker arms, windage tray,cerama coated headers,dual flows with H-pipe, modded c-4,tci stall converter,perma cool electric fan,aluminum water pump,griffen aluminum radiator,accel 8.8 cable,wide cap distriburator,magnetic pick up,v-matic hurst shifter,edelbrock performer nitrous, carter electric fuel pump,ignitor coil,solid motor mounts,magna racing suspension,poly urathane bushings,under rider traction bars, comp. eng. s

[dinomite]

Originally posted by Power:
Don't worry, those that think that are usually the ones that get busted. I hope I am also a cop in the next year or so, however, I would never do that either.

And I refuse to get into a flame war over the current presidential administration.



as with any generalization, it doesn't apply to all in the said group. i am serious when i say what i said, cause every cop i've ever met, save very few and yourselves, in any situation, is a complete ******* , and they are usually of low intelligence as well. i hope that more reasonable cops will come about, as those that are out there right now are real pricks, and have no moral judgement, only know strict right an wrong.

[Fostang]

Judging from the fact that in order to be a "patrol officer" in a local p.d. all you need is a highschool diploma and a ten month acadamy that is mostly a joke, couldn't really expect all that much from them. I have already decided to join the D.E.A. when I finish college wish more officers decided to go through college before going into the job market. Did you know plenty of them don't know what the definition of a crime or public offence is. Food for thought.

------------------
67'fastback-Edelbrock carb,intake,cam,valve springs.Rhode lifters, CompCam rocker arms, windage tray,cerama coated headers,dual flows with H-pipe, modded c-4,tci stall converter,perma cool electric fan,aluminum water pump,griffen aluminum radiator,accel 8.8 cable,wide cap distriburator,magnetic pick up,v-matic hurst shifter,edelbrock performer nitrous, carter electric fuel pump,ignitor coil,solid motor mounts,magna racing suspension,poly urathane bushings,under rider traction bars, comp. eng. s

[90dpscoupe]

Yea dont get me wrong, they are starting the no cruise thing here in some areas, but thats because of the idiots shooting at people, and the cops run us out of certain places, at certain times, we just end up going somewhere else, of course until the idiot in the civic that feels the need to do the pb burnout in the lot, then the laws come http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/frown.gif

------------------
90 lx coupe: 175k miles, steeda water pump pully, hurst shifter, Mac cold air fenderwell, accel supercoil, ADS chip, aluminum D/S, Black magic fan, 3.27grs.
Best time: 13.9116(on 225/60/15 firehawks)
Best mph: 98.17
Best 60': 1.9607

next mods: subframes, mac h-pipe

[Mercury]

I think the size of the town may have to do with the concern of cops busting Hangouts and Racing.

I used to live in Pittsburg PA (Lived there for 15 years, in a suburb called New Kensington) Its a small town, and the cops break up the hangouts and bust anyone they catch racing. There really bad about that.

Here in Fayetteville, the cops dont really bother us at the hangouts unless some unwelcomed moron starts blasting music, or spinning tires and doing donuts.

As for racing here in Fayetteville, I've seen quite a few Law enforcement agents while in a race, and only twice did they pursue. Once I pulled over and got busted, the later time I ran and got out of sight.

Seems to me like they have other things on there mind, or have more important things to do. I imagine that things would change if a street race turned fatal, or inoccent people were hurt. Luckily here in Fayetteville that hasnt happened yet and there is no public outcry to stop racing.

I know tons of people whom are in law enforcement, and I respect them, I respect most law enforcements officers, most of the ones I know are Muscle car nuts and they even street race. One of them said he would feel like a hipacrit if he pulled someone over for racing, even though he has the law to uphold.

[90dpscoupe]

Yea, cops have to do their job, but if a couple kids racing on a dark backroad with hardly no traffic, let the guys go for god sakes! dont pull your guns, and tell their girlfriends there not gonna see their b-friends for a long time, and all that crap i have heard, and seen, but if they are endagering the public, then they should be pulled over, like doing 120 on a packed highway, thats just stupid.

we actually have to let our spot calm down a bit, someone caused a pileup over there, not race related, but there was some stangs and camaros involved, and not far some idiot was going a 100 mph, clipped a 18 wheeler, and rolled his car killing himself, and they had to cut his g/f out, and our connections tipped us off, that there will be a "crackdown" which includes handing out lots of tickets just for standing around. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/frown.gif sux, but we will race somewhere else.

[Hounddawg]

Where I'm originally from in Texas, The local cops know all about the local street races every friday night, yet they never write any tickets. The worst thing they do is break it up at about 3 in the morning after about 5 to 6 hours of good hard racing. Now thats what I call "good" police work!

[1astrsk]

You mean everyone doesnt automatically respect me because I am a cop??? http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/rolleyes.gif
There are a few hundred thousand cops and several hundred ways to police. For me, I usually let the person I am dealing with dictate the mood of the contact. I imagine if you go into a contact with an officer with the mindset that "all cops are pigs" you probably are not going to have a pleasant contact with the officer. Its called prejudice and its a no win situation. I have been a cop for 7 years and the only person I ever arrested for racing ran across the front yard of a house before taking out a swingset. I imagine nobody here would have an argument with that arrest. Thank god no children were playing in the yard at the time.
I'm not going to pretend that all cops are going to "be nice" and some can be downright jerks at times. It's like every job, there are good and bad.
BTW, if a citizen calls me because a bunch of cars are parked on his/her property or are being loud or racing I have to do something about it. I do my best to not be a jerk about it but there is always a streetcorner laywer in the bunch who tries to tell me what I can or can't do (usually the "all cops are pigs" guy). This usually forces me to be a jerk. Please--don't do this and everyone goes home happy.
If your going to street race use your heads and don't drive past your abilities. Stay safe and if you do get pulled over don't be a jerk. You went into it knowing it was illegal. Of course I don't condone street racing and advise you to take it to a track.

[This message has been edited by 1astrsk (edited 06-13-2001).]

[This message has been edited by 1astrsk (edited 06-13-2001).]

[gp001]

Cops always get a bum deal. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
Unfortunatly, people have little (or no) respect for others and when they get in a large group they do stupid things. Look at all the "Sports Riots". Robbing, looting, vandalizing because your sports team won? Makes no sense. The same applies to street racing. We've all seen it, there's those clowns that wants to show that his 15 second car can do a big peg leg burnout, or a donut, or worse. The cops have to play the numbers. There's a percentage of morons in every group. When the numbers in the group increase, so does the number of morons. When you get enough morons together nothing good happens. Cops have to shut it down BEFORE it gets out of control. Cops know where these things happen, just beware when they know "WHEN" & where.

[Try Me]

They're still pigs. It works both ways. Everytime i've had to deal with the law, i always approach it in a calm and curitous manner. They, the pigs, do not. You're guilty of something the minute they arrive on the scene.
They have to do a little to earn my respect too you know.
I'm told it's the way they're trained. In the 9 months of police training, the no. 1 drill is "YOU are the law and shoot first, ask questions later".
It's all about the bacon i guess http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/frown.gif

[gp001]

Well, I must say that here in So-Cal I get nothin but thumbs up from most cops. Mind you, my car is still primered (all black with a clear coat) and it sounds like a Trans Am series race car (literally). I will also say that when I was 18 (1987) I got caught street racing. Towards the end of the race I saw a red light appear in a parked car at the end of the road. I was probably doing close to 130 (68 Dodge Charger highly modified 440, Art Carr 727, 4.56 rear gears). I shut it down, got out, and put my hands on my fenders. The guy I was racing pulled a smoky 180 and tried to run, but the cops had the other exit blocked too. The cop (Los Angeles county Sheriff) was 6'9" muscular (very) black guy. . He says "Nice race, this is your 3rd win in as many weeks". I thought I was dead. He asked if I had any alcohol, drugs, or weapons in the car. I said no. He asked if he could search. I said yes. He ran my license and said "As soon as we arrest your competition we'll send you home with this warning. The gave everyone (a few hundred) that didn't have a warrant, drugs/alcohol, or a weapon a warning. I though that was pretty cool. They could have written thousands of fix it tickets, illegal parking, impounded cars, etc.. Hell, they could have fried my *** for life! I thought they showed A LOT OF RESPECT. Cops deal with the worst of society all day long, so of course they are going to be tentaive (attitude) until they figure out what is going on. Try not having the attitude that they are "all pigs" it might help.

------------------
347 (Coast High short block), 279/284 .493/.510, TFS TW, Stealth, 750, Flowtech hdrs, Dr. Gas X, 2 Chmbr Flowmaster, MSD 6AL-Dist.& SS coil, March serpentine pulley system, Art Carr C-4, Currie 9" w/3.55, alum Drv Shft, susp mods, Total Control subframes & tower braces, Trans Am Racing power dual master, 4 wheel disc
In a 66 coupe

[1astrsk]

Hey, I tried. I am glad to see that the majority are either supportive or understand we have a job to do.
I do my job for people like that. But,if push comes to shove, I would risk my life for even the most negative person.
I am lucky enough to have a job I love and have learned that no matter how much good you do there are certain people who only focus on the bad. It must be difficult to live like that.

[what_import]

Imagine the world without people like you and me,1astrsk? Take care and good luck out there!

[gp001]

You gotta appreciate you guys for your determination. Cops are getting the worst deal. I think people admire criminals more, HOW SICK! You guys get disrespected on a good day, and have your life on the line on a bad day. People shootin at you to avoid a traffic ticket, fighting with you to try to win the "Litigation Lottery" (ex Rodney King), and then clowns callin you "pigs" because "THEY" are breaking the law. And you guys still risk it to protect the masses. I don't know about the rest of these guys but I appreciate what you do.

------------------
347 (Coast High short block), 279/284 .493/.510, TFS TW, Stealth, 750, Flowtech hdrs, Dr. Gas X, 2 Chmbr Flowmaster, MSD 6AL-Dist.& SS coil, March serpentine pulley system, Art Carr C-4, Currie 9" w/3.55, alum Drv Shft, susp mods, Total Control subframes & tower braces, Trans Am Racing power dual master, 4 wheel disc
In a 66 coupe

[PGkelly]

Originally posted by Fostang:
Well to protect oursleves we carry two way radios, cell phones, a video camera, scanners, and try to avoid big crowds of cars on our way to the spot. Last week someone got shot at one, some have even died their. It starts going down hill when new folks start showing off. Just calling attention on us. Oh yeah and there is a specific time we race and thats when the shift changes start.



OMFG dude you are my got-dammed idol! I've got a cell phone and a CB radio already, still need a scanner though. and i'd like to have a concealed radar/laser detector when i get a 'stang. but my question is, how do you find out when the shifts change?

p.s. at one point in college my dad and some of his friend designed 'stealth' motorcycle, to avoid radar etc http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif .



------------------
If it ain't broke, make it go faster

AOL: MCVillain45

[Unit 5302]

I've dealt with a few cops, about 80% of them are a-holes.

As far as them getting a 9mo degree? That doesn't happen here. In MN you need a 4 year college degree to be a police officer.

That aside a man was recently refused for entry because he was "too smart." That's right, they wouldn't hire him because he was too smart on their tests to be a cop. The man sued, took it up to the higher courts and lost. The argument was it was a bad investment. Nobody with any brain's would stay being a cop was basically the argument of the state; therefore, once the man had served a while he would probably quit. LOL.

Now, before you get all pissed at the cops for busting up street races, they DO NOT decide what is the prime offense to crack down on. That info comes down from the chief. The chief gets it from the mayor, the mayor get's it from the people and the city counsil. If nobody was complaining about it, you wouldn't be getting busted. The cop is just doing what he's told to do, for the most part.

That being said, most people seem to become law enforcement officers because they got their lunch money stolen one too many times in school. They usually have a control problem, and a sense of gratification in having power over other people. That's why they chose their profession in the first place. They all like to say they do it to "help people," but that makes 90% of them liars.

People say that 1 or 2 bad cops gives the other 98 a bad name. I think other police would like to believe they are workin with good guys, but like I said, from my experiance, 80% of them are asses.

Also, it really pisses me off when I start hearing about how little they make. Seems strange to me since an rookie makes over 50k/year in my city, he's furnished with his own car to take home as well. Doesn't sound too bad to me.

[what_import]

I am a rookie here with a Sheriffs Office in Central Florida and started at 30,452 plus forcedovertime. P.S. you have to have atleast a 2 year degree in Criminal Justice with most agencies here in Florida.

[69fastback]

This is an intersting post. From what I have found I think most cops love old muscle cars. In so california I have been pulled over countless time for various things. My car doesn't have a front licsnce plate (required in ca) blinkers and various other normal things. The only thing I ever get is do u have any acholo, drugs, weapons and such. I say no they search the car and send me on my way knowing full well i could have gotten at least 4 or 5 tickets. They have always been really cool to me. I also try and be very polite to them and do what they ask. I am not sure if it is the car or being the army or what. I think it is a little bit of both.

------------------
69 428 cobra jet: tons of mods.
97 f-150 5.4 xlt mark III
BUCKLE UP. SUCK IT IN.
Objects in the mirror are about to disappear...
QUICKLY!!!!!!

[green94droptop]

Just a quick change of subject. I remember a few months ago in FL when the cops bust us on Presidents Drive at Director's Row. Fortenetly, I was one of the lucky ones. I got out of there before it was too late.

As for the street races in Orlando, they are crazy. I will never take my car to them again (I'll go with buddies and watch though http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/wink.gif. Those rice drivers are sick crazy. They think it's a joke. Most of the time the races get broked up because someone has a siren on their car or because some yells 'cops'.

I also have a new theory on cops busting our races: EGO. We don't race where there is any traffic. We find industrial parks were there are NO cars other than racers.

When the cops come (if not a false alarm) they are in there to put someone's head on the cutting board. I've heard of people getting as many as 11 tickets/person and then to top it off, they DON'T get arrested; it's all harrasment.

Granted there have been some idiots who do stupid things and get badly hurt or even die, but that's their own damn fault.

My $.02



------------------
Green '94 GT conv. -- K&N filter charger, FMS 9mm wires, Accel hipo cap/rotor, 180* thermo, 14* timing, PRO 5.0 w/ stock handle, off road H-pipe in front of 2 chamber flow's, Steeda subframe connectors w/ crossbrace, stock, stock, stock, yeah and that's stock too.

My 'Stang (http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?1726)

[gp001]

Green94droptop:
Let me get this straight, you say:
As for the street races in Orlando, they are crazy
I will never take my car to them again (I'll go with buddies and watch though . Those rice drivers are sick crazy.
Granted there have been some idiots who do stupid things and get badly hurt or even die, but that's their own damn fault.

And it's about an EGO or harassment? I think you contradicted yourself there. We race in desolate areas to avoid getting busted, But we travel to & from the locations - And we all know no one is driving like John Q. Lawabider (ESPECIALLY WHEN SOMEONE DOES THE OLD "COPS" YELL http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/wink.gif ). Cops have to protect the safety of the MASSES, not the wants of racers. They have to police on the chance that someone "may" get hurt (as you said in your post). It would be like someone shooting a gun in the air saying "I'm not shooting at anyone" but we all know the bullets fall back to Earth. Do they "always kill", no, but they may so it's dangerous and illegal. Innocent people aside, what of the dumb street racer who gets hurt or killed. Do you think it ends there for the cops? Now the family/friends of the racer ask "Why wasn't this stopped?", and follow up with a nice little lawsuit (The American way, right?).
Like I said before "Cops are damned if they do, damned if they don't"

------------------
347 (Coast High short block), 279/284 .493/.510, TFS TW, Stealth, 750, Flowtech hdrs, Dr. Gas X, 2 Chmbr Flowmaster, MSD 6AL-Dist.& SS coil, March serpentine pulley system, Art Carr C-4, Currie 9" w/3.55, alum Drv Shft, susp mods, Total Control subframes & tower braces, Trans Am Racing power dual master, 4 wheel disc
In a 66 coupe

[green94droptop]

Let me clarify myself. When I say there are some racers who do stupid things and get hurt, I'm talking about doughnuts in the middle of 10 cars, fishtailing it for 30 seconds and most importantly the stupid a$$es that yell cop for the hell of it (there's always that one guy who just wants the attn). Oh, and there's always the bikers in Orlando that just show up and ride the back wheel for 1/4 mi with their g/f on the back seat. When they get hurt, the cops show and are out 5x's as hard next sat night. UGH.

We also race in desolate areas and travel to and fro'. But always end up in the industrial parks where it isn't so desolate http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif

But you know what, I'm gonna start hanging out with the BIG BOYS. They almost never get busted; and if the cops DO show up, they just tell them to leave and take it somewhere else. The rice guys just attract attn. They like running! It's so sick. I've gotten to a point now where I beleive luck will run out for myself or close friends of mine that go to the races.

Thank you for waking me up. I'm going to follow the loud rumbles of v-8's now where it's much safer with LESS cars (10 at most). No more late night rice snacks.

------------------
Green '94 GT conv. -- K&N filter charger, FMS 9mm wires, Accel hipo cap/rotor, 180* thermo, 14* timing, PRO 5.0 w/ stock handle, off road H-pipe in front of 2 chamber flow's, Steeda subframe connectors w/ crossbrace, stock, stock, stock, yeah and that's stock too.

My 'Stang (http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?1726)

[This message has been edited by green94droptop (edited 06-23-2001).]