351 Questions

GT4TSB · 01-11-2001, 07:28 PM

Can someone tell me the difference between the 351 Windsor, and the 351 Cleveland? Do they both produce the same power? Or any drawbacks to one? Thanks!

mustangII460 · 01-11-2001, 11:58 PM

The 351 windsor is basically a 289 all grown up. Ofcourse with alot of improvements.

The Cleveland came around in 1970 as a direct result of racing. In 1969 the BOSS 302 came out. The Trans-Am racing had displacement limits. So,Ford basically made a intermediate engine with the 302 displacement,instead of the small block windsor family motor. They used a canted valve head. The canted head design started with the 429/460. Camaros,AMC's had a tough time with Fords new BOSS 302 motor.

Nascar rules also changed to a displacement of 358 CID. The BOSS motor was the ticket for a build up. So a 351C is basically a stroked BOSS 302. NASCAR Ford engines resemble a Cleveland motor,but have many different changes now. And yes even the bowtie motors are looking more like Fords, because of the head design.

Clevelands produce lots of power and were the ticket back in the 70's. However because of the odd ball type of motor it just never gained the popularity of the Windsor. I think the cost of building the Cleveland helped its demise.

Windsors produce OK power from the factory. Thanks to all of the parts houses,they are cheap to build,or at least cheaper"

If money is not a object,I say build a Cleveland,but you can build a 429/460 for about the same. I used to be "mustangII351C." Get my drift.
Im sure I missed some points,but hope this helps.

thunderbolt · 01-13-2001, 04:16 PM

Just in case you didn't get it form the previous post, the 351w and 351c engines are totally different blocks and nothing interchanges between the two.

01-11-2001, 07:28 PM	#1
GT4TSB Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 9	351 Questions Can someone tell me the difference between the 351 Windsor, and the 351 Cleveland? Do they both produce the same power? Or any drawbacks to one? Thanks!

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01-11-2001, 11:58 PM	#2
mustangII460 Factoy Five Roadster Join Date: May 2000 Location: Sevier Co,Tennessee Posts: 1,681	The 351 windsor is basically a 289 all grown up. Ofcourse with alot of improvements. The Cleveland came around in 1970 as a direct result of racing. In 1969 the BOSS 302 came out. The Trans-Am racing had displacement limits. So,Ford basically made a intermediate engine with the 302 displacement,instead of the small block windsor family motor. They used a canted valve head. The canted head design started with the 429/460. Camaros,AMC's had a tough time with Fords new BOSS 302 motor. Nascar rules also changed to a displacement of 358 CID. The BOSS motor was the ticket for a build up. So a 351C is basically a stroked BOSS 302. NASCAR Ford engines resemble a Cleveland motor,but have many different changes now. And yes even the bowtie motors are looking more like Fords, because of the head design. Clevelands produce lots of power and were the ticket back in the 70's. However because of the odd ball type of motor it just never gained the popularity of the Windsor. I think the cost of building the Cleveland helped its demise. Windsors produce OK power from the factory. Thanks to all of the parts houses,they are cheap to build,or at least cheaper" If money is not a object,I say build a Cleveland,but you can build a 429/460 for about the same. I used to be "mustangII351C." Get my drift. Im sure I missed some points,but hope this helps.

01-13-2001, 04:16 PM	#3
thunderbolt Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 380	Just in case you didn't get it form the previous post, the 351w and 351c engines are totally different blocks and nothing interchanges between the two.