67 Mustang Timing help

db10bo · 02-07-2007, 07:12 PM

Hey everyone. I've got a 67 Mustang with a rebuilt 302 bored .060 over. It has a holly 600 CFM carb, a Holly Street dominator single plain intake, stock heads, Hooker Long tube headers and a c-4 behind it all. I have a MSD 5 box MSD Blaster coil, new plugs, wires and, re-man distibutor. I can't get the timing right for the thing to start and I've tried everything I can think of. I've reset the points with a feeler and set the static timing every way I can think of. please help me and ask if you need any more info.

Dane

Gearhead999 · 02-07-2007, 09:29 PM

A little more info. What do you mean you can't get the timing right??

Have you set it with a light??

What do you have it set at??

db10bo · 02-08-2007, 07:13 AM

I've tried to set the static timing by putting the motor at TDC then making a mark on the distributor where the #1 plug is then line the rotor up with the mark but it won't do anything but kinda half sputter so I can't even get it running. And I'm trying to set it to 6 deg. advance cause that's what was stock for this motor. I also forgot to tell about the cam. It's a Crower with 212 in/ 218ex at 0.05 lift for a 351w. I did get the firing order right on the distributor cause I've checked it several times. Here is the cam spec card.

http://crower.com/misc/cam_spec/cam_...=15233&x=0&y=0

Thanks

P.S. This is my first time doing anything with a motor and I had one of my friends help me with it but he did mostly Chevy's before so I may have just missed something. That's why I'm here!

Rev · 02-08-2007, 06:17 PM

You do know that the #1 cylinder is different for Fords and Chevys? The #1 cylinder on Fords is the passenger side front most cylinder. Chevys #1 is drivers side front most. Please pardon me if I'm telling you something you already know.

Rev

db10bo · 02-08-2007, 07:25 PM

yea I got that right thanks!!

rwhite65 · 02-09-2007, 05:41 AM

1st, what has changed since it was last running. Meaning did you pull the distributor or somethhing along those lines.

When did this problem start? How did you find top dead center? Right now, it sounds like you have the distributor way off, but that is just a shot in the dark off the limited info you gave.

Ryan

db10bo · 02-09-2007, 07:18 AM

Ok....I found TDC by pulling the valve cover watching the intake valve open and then kept turning the motor over (clock-wise) and used a pencil to tell when the piston stoped going up. I made a mark where it stoped going up and turned it till it started going down again and made another mark then put one mark in the middle for TDC. We pulled the distributor to rebuild the motor. I took the block to get machined cause the cylider walls were scared up so the distributor came out then. The problem started when we got the motor in the car. First time we tried using the original distributor that came off the block before we started working on it. Then we were going to replace the points and condencer but I found out you could just get a reman distributor for less then just the points and all so I got it and a new cap and rotor and the thing has always just kinda spit and sputtered. I don't know how to explain it much better then that and I set the timing (or attempted to) just like I said earlier.

Thanks

Gearhead999 · 02-10-2007, 08:03 AM

Something that hasn't been addressed is the valve adjustment. Are the rockers adjustable or do you just tighten them down.

The difference is, early cars the stud was just a straight stud and you must adjust the valves. Later cars the stud has a shoulder machined on it and the rocker arm bottoms out on the shoulder.

This was changed around 67-68. If the valves are too tight it won't start either.

On the timing....If you have #1 on TDC and the dist. pointing to #1 you are right so far. Now the firing order. You said 351W cam, right?? You are using 351W firing order then. Do you have the firing order, on the dist. rotating around the correct direction. Also, Fords are numbered 1-2-3-4 front to back on the right side and 5-6-7-8 front to back of the left side. Others are numbered, many times, Odd and even left or right.

If everything is the way you say then it should run.

db10bo · 02-11-2007, 10:49 PM

Well today I took the bowls off the carb and adjusted the floats again and went through the set up again and checked everything the dang thing fired up the third time I turned it over. I donno what changed but I'm excited now. Thanks for all the help and I'll prob be asking for some more soon cause I'll be trying to do some fine tuning

Dane

02-07-2007, 09:29 PM	#2
Gearhead999 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Oviedo, FL Posts: 992	Re: 67 Mustang Timing help A little more info. What do you mean you can't get the timing right?? Have you set it with a light?? What do you have it set at?? __________________ "Support our Troops" Dave 1968 Cougar 2004 Thunderbird 2007 F150 Harley-Davidson, SuperCrew 1986 LTD 1997 Ranger 1992 Honda Civic

02-08-2007, 07:13 AM	#3
db10bo Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 5	Re: 67 Mustang Timing help I've tried to set the static timing by putting the motor at TDC then making a mark on the distributor where the #1 plug is then line the rotor up with the mark but it won't do anything but kinda half sputter so I can't even get it running. And I'm trying to set it to 6 deg. advance cause that's what was stock for this motor. I also forgot to tell about the cam. It's a Crower with 212 in/ 218ex at 0.05 lift for a 351w. I did get the firing order right on the distributor cause I've checked it several times. Here is the cam spec card. http://crower.com/misc/cam_spec/cam_...=15233&x=0&y=0 Thanks P.S. This is my first time doing anything with a motor and I had one of my friends help me with it but he did mostly Chevy's before so I may have just missed something. That's why I'm here! Last edited by db10bo; 02-08-2007 at 11:58 AM..

02-08-2007, 06:17 PM	#4
Rev Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 3,887	Re: 67 Mustang Timing help You do know that the #1 cylinder is different for Fords and Chevys? The #1 cylinder on Fords is the passenger side front most cylinder. Chevys #1 is drivers side front most. Please pardon me if I'm telling you something you already know. Rev __________________ '66 Coupe, 306, 350-375 HP, C-4, 13.07 e.t., 104.8 mph, 1/4 mi. O.B.C. #2 '66 coupe

02-08-2007, 07:25 PM	#5
db10bo Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 5	Re: 67 Mustang Timing help yea I got that right thanks!!

02-09-2007, 05:41 AM	#6
rwhite65 Ride Hard Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wyoming IL Posts: 1,094	Re: 67 Mustang Timing help 1st, what has changed since it was last running. Meaning did you pull the distributor or somethhing along those lines. When did this problem start? How did you find top dead center? Right now, it sounds like you have the distributor way off, but that is just a shot in the dark off the limited info you gave. Ryan __________________ 65 Fastback 91 roller 306, H/C/I AOD-Bauman, PI Stallion, 4.10's and traction loc 04 Grand Cherokee Freedom Edition 79 Ford F-250 4x4 - Restored

02-07-2007, 07:12 PM	#1
db10bo Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 5	67 Mustang Timing help Hey everyone. I've got a 67 Mustang with a rebuilt 302 bored .060 over. It has a holly 600 CFM carb, a Holly Street dominator single plain intake, stock heads, Hooker Long tube headers and a c-4 behind it all. I have a MSD 5 box MSD Blaster coil, new plugs, wires and, re-man distibutor. I can't get the timing right for the thing to start and I've tried everything I can think of. I've reset the points with a feeler and set the static timing every way I can think of. please help me and ask if you need any more info. Dane

02-09-2007, 07:18 AM	#7
db10bo Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 5	Re: 67 Mustang Timing help Ok....I found TDC by pulling the valve cover watching the intake valve open and then kept turning the motor over (clock-wise) and used a pencil to tell when the piston stoped going up. I made a mark where it stoped going up and turned it till it started going down again and made another mark then put one mark in the middle for TDC. We pulled the distributor to rebuild the motor. I took the block to get machined cause the cylider walls were scared up so the distributor came out then. The problem started when we got the motor in the car. First time we tried using the original distributor that came off the block before we started working on it. Then we were going to replace the points and condencer but I found out you could just get a reman distributor for less then just the points and all so I got it and a new cap and rotor and the thing has always just kinda spit and sputtered. I don't know how to explain it much better then that and I set the timing (or attempted to) just like I said earlier. Thanks

02-10-2007, 08:03 AM	#8
Gearhead999 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Oviedo, FL Posts: 992	Re: 67 Mustang Timing help Something that hasn't been addressed is the valve adjustment. Are the rockers adjustable or do you just tighten them down. The difference is, early cars the stud was just a straight stud and you must adjust the valves. Later cars the stud has a shoulder machined on it and the rocker arm bottoms out on the shoulder. This was changed around 67-68. If the valves are too tight it won't start either. On the timing....If you have #1 on TDC and the dist. pointing to #1 you are right so far. Now the firing order. You said 351W cam, right?? You are using 351W firing order then. Do you have the firing order, on the dist. rotating around the correct direction. Also, Fords are numbered 1-2-3-4 front to back on the right side and 5-6-7-8 front to back of the left side. Others are numbered, many times, Odd and even left or right. If everything is the way you say then it should run. __________________ "Support our Troops" Dave 1968 Cougar 2004 Thunderbird 2007 F150 Harley-Davidson, SuperCrew 1986 LTD 1997 Ranger 1992 Honda Civic

02-11-2007, 10:49 PM	#9
db10bo Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 5	Re: 67 Mustang Timing help Well today I took the bowls off the carb and adjusted the floats again and went through the set up again and checked everything the dang thing fired up the third time I turned it over. I donno what changed but I'm excited now. Thanks for all the help and I'll prob be asking for some more soon cause I'll be trying to do some fine tuning Dane __________________ 67 Mustang Coupe 310 CID, Crower 351 Performance Level 2 Cam, Holly Street Dominator Single plane intake

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