Disk Brakes!!!

STR864 · 02-13-2003, 09:30 PM

My swap is being delayed for now due to money problems

...Hard being a 20 year old college student paying for an expensive PROJECT!!! but for now I need to know if I can stay with a 4 lug bolt pattern and I need to know where I can get a disk brake conversion kit for my 65!! any help would be highly appreciated! thank you guys.

Tom

Ron1 · 02-14-2003, 03:22 AM

I checked some sources, and everything I saw was 5 lug. I just completed my 65 front swap using a Wilwood medium duty kit. Very easy to install, and pricing was not was I was led to believe. I was thinking it would go about 8-900.00, but made the entire swap for about $525.00, including new steel braided lines and a new M/C.

Ron

thunderbolt · 02-14-2003, 09:19 AM

Ron1, where did you get that Wilwood kit? It sounds really interesting. Got a link to it by any chance? Thanks

Ron1 · 02-14-2003, 09:29 AM

This is the one I installed. Wilwood medium.
http://www.wilwood.com/products/kits/medbr/index.asp

ron

Rev · 02-14-2003, 01:28 PM

I think Stainless Steel Brake Corporation has a kit for 4 lug, but it won't be cheap. You could give them a call or check their web site. Sorry, don't have their addy handy.

Rev

66StangGuy · 02-14-2003, 04:19 PM

rev, did you reuse your existing drum spindles or did you have to replace them? it looks like all you need is to remove all the drum parts and backing plate and install the disk and bearing with the caliper. ?? thanks

Rev · 02-14-2003, 05:28 PM

My '66 was an origininal 5 lug front drum/V-8 . I ordered my front disk set op from Jim's Mustang in El Cajon Ca. for about $650 to my door in Houston.

Rev

Ron1 · 02-14-2003, 07:11 PM

Rev, Did that kit also include the steel braided replacement lines for the swap out of the old rubber lines, and did it include screw in wheel studs?

Ron

Rev · 02-14-2003, 07:41 PM

The flexible lines were NOT braided. The studs were pressed into the rotors. It was a Granada conversion and it worked well. Mostly new parts, including rotors and MC. Calipers were rebuilt. Spindles were used, but good.

Rev

STR864 · 02-15-2003, 09:57 PM

ummm......can I just stick with drums all the way around?? or is that too risky for the 302??

Rev · 02-16-2003, 07:37 PM

Try Prase (sp?) dyno brakes. They make pads/ shoes from special materials that work better. Again, not cheap. PM me if you don't find it as I have it somewhere in all my car crap somewhere.

Rev

Ron1 · 02-16-2003, 08:01 PM

http://www.praisedynobrake.com/ Made with Kevlar. Not suggested for non-power brakes.

Ron

Rev · 02-16-2003, 08:28 PM

Ron1, your car seems to have a little more lift in the front than mine , hee, hee.

Rev

Ron1 · 02-16-2003, 09:58 PM

And it will be worse this season Rev. The old drum set up weighed in at 32.6 per side. The Wilwood was 14.2 per side. And that was rotating mass, so I can't wait to see how far it will lift the nose this year. I do have to say, it was the easiest conversion. Just drop the old assembly off the spindle, slide the new one on. Done. I also removed another 60 pounds in other stuff, so ET should improve nicely.

Ron

thunderbolt · 02-17-2003, 09:50 AM

Ron1 and Rev:
On those conversions, will stock 14 inch wheels fit over the roter/caliper assemblies with your kit? I thought I saw that the granada kit required 15 inch wheels, but maybe that was another one, and I don't have any idea about the Wilwood.
Thanks guys.

Ron1 · 02-17-2003, 11:56 PM

I will check it out and get back to you....

Ron

NO SLO PK · 02-18-2003, 12:48 AM

FWIW, I converted to Granada discs on my '65 and had change the stock wheels. The stock 14 x 5.5" wheels did not have a big enough opening in the center for the Granada hubs. It shouldn't be a big deal...most 14 x 6" Ford wheels will work fine. That's what I used for a while, and then finally got a set of Magnum 500's which worked also.

zach0 · 02-18-2003, 05:46 AM

I belive I saw somewhere that you will need 15" or bigger rims. I am also looking at there brake kit but an concerned that it said somewhere that you have to cut.

Wilwood - Phone (805) 388-1188 - Fax (805) 388-4938

Assembly Instructions
http://www.wilwood.org/ds246.pdf

Ron1 · 02-18-2003, 12:55 PM

The 4307-B is the exact one I installed. No cutting, no drilling, no modifications. Bolted right up.

Ron

STR864 · 02-19-2003, 03:53 AM

I should have never bought my 17X9 Cobra R's 4 lugs!!! I should have done a conversion to 5 lug first!! GRRrRR....thiS is just costing me more MONEY!!!

02-13-2003, 09:30 PM	#1
STR864 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 34	Disk Brakes!!! My swap is being delayed for now due to money problems ...Hard being a 20 year old college student paying for an expensive PROJECT!!! but for now I need to know if I can stay with a 4 lug bolt pattern and I need to know where I can get a disk brake conversion kit for my 65!! any help would be highly appreciated! thank you guys. Tom

02-14-2003, 03:22 AM	#2
Ron1 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Vancouver, WA USA Posts: 439	I checked some sources, and everything I saw was 5 lug. I just completed my 65 front swap using a Wilwood medium duty kit. Very easy to install, and pricing was not was I was led to believe. I was thinking it would go about 8-900.00, but made the entire swap for about $525.00, including new steel braided lines and a new M/C. Ron __________________ 65 Mustang Fastback 347 Stroker, C4 with 4.56 10.68 @ 122 N/A 9.74 @ 137 w/ N2O www.fastspecialties.com

02-14-2003, 09:29 AM	#4
Ron1 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Vancouver, WA USA Posts: 439	This is the one I installed. Wilwood medium. http://www.wilwood.com/products/kits/medbr/index.asp ron __________________ 65 Mustang Fastback 347 Stroker, C4 with 4.56 10.68 @ 122 N/A 9.74 @ 137 w/ N2O www.fastspecialties.com

02-14-2003, 01:28 PM	#5
Rev Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 3,887	SSC I think Stainless Steel Brake Corporation has a kit for 4 lug, but it won't be cheap. You could give them a call or check their web site. Sorry, don't have their addy handy. Rev __________________ '66 Coupe, 306, 350-375 HP, C-4, 13.07 e.t., 104.8 mph, 1/4 mi. O.B.C. #2 '66 coupe

02-14-2003, 04:19 PM	#6
66StangGuy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Diamond Bar Posts: 258	rev, did you reuse your existing drum spindles or did you have to replace them? it looks like all you need is to remove all the drum parts and backing plate and install the disk and bearing with the caliper. ?? thanks __________________ 66 mustang-292-Holley 4160-World Castings Windsor Sr.-Hooker super comp headers-MSD box & Coil.3.55 gears. B&M Z-Gate-Black leather racing seats with 4pt harnes.

02-14-2003, 09:19 AM	#3
thunderbolt Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 380	Ron1, where did you get that Wilwood kit? It sounds really interesting. Got a link to it by any chance? Thanks

02-14-2003, 05:28 PM	#7
Rev Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 3,887	5 lug My '66 was an origininal 5 lug front drum/V-8 . I ordered my front disk set op from Jim's Mustang in El Cajon Ca. for about $650 to my door in Houston. Rev __________________ '66 Coupe, 306, 350-375 HP, C-4, 13.07 e.t., 104.8 mph, 1/4 mi. O.B.C. #2 '66 coupe

02-14-2003, 07:11 PM	#8
Ron1 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Vancouver, WA USA Posts: 439	Rev, Did that kit also include the steel braided replacement lines for the swap out of the old rubber lines, and did it include screw in wheel studs? Ron __________________ 65 Mustang Fastback 347 Stroker, C4 with 4.56 10.68 @ 122 N/A 9.74 @ 137 w/ N2O www.fastspecialties.com

02-14-2003, 07:41 PM	#9
Rev Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 3,887	Mostly new parts The flexible lines were NOT braided. The studs were pressed into the rotors. It was a Granada conversion and it worked well. Mostly new parts, including rotors and MC. Calipers were rebuilt. Spindles were used, but good. Rev __________________ '66 Coupe, 306, 350-375 HP, C-4, 13.07 e.t., 104.8 mph, 1/4 mi. O.B.C. #2 '66 coupe Last edited by Rev; 02-14-2003 at 11:03 PM..

02-15-2003, 09:57 PM	#10
STR864 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 34	ummm......can I just stick with drums all the way around?? or is that too risky for the 302??

02-16-2003, 07:37 PM	#11
Rev Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 3,887	Prase dyno Try Prase (sp?) dyno brakes. They make pads/ shoes from special materials that work better. Again, not cheap. PM me if you don't find it as I have it somewhere in all my car crap somewhere. Rev __________________ '66 Coupe, 306, 350-375 HP, C-4, 13.07 e.t., 104.8 mph, 1/4 mi. O.B.C. #2 '66 coupe

02-16-2003, 08:01 PM	#12
Ron1 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Vancouver, WA USA Posts: 439	http://www.praisedynobrake.com/ Made with Kevlar. Not suggested for non-power brakes. Ron __________________ 65 Mustang Fastback 347 Stroker, C4 with 4.56 10.68 @ 122 N/A 9.74 @ 137 w/ N2O www.fastspecialties.com

02-16-2003, 08:28 PM	#13
Rev Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 3,887	Lift? Ron1, your car seems to have a little more lift in the front than mine , hee, hee. Rev __________________ '66 Coupe, 306, 350-375 HP, C-4, 13.07 e.t., 104.8 mph, 1/4 mi. O.B.C. #2 '66 coupe

02-16-2003, 09:58 PM	#14
Ron1 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Vancouver, WA USA Posts: 439	And it will be worse this season Rev. The old drum set up weighed in at 32.6 per side. The Wilwood was 14.2 per side. And that was rotating mass, so I can't wait to see how far it will lift the nose this year. I do have to say, it was the easiest conversion. Just drop the old assembly off the spindle, slide the new one on. Done. I also removed another 60 pounds in other stuff, so ET should improve nicely. Ron __________________ 65 Mustang Fastback 347 Stroker, C4 with 4.56 10.68 @ 122 N/A 9.74 @ 137 w/ N2O www.fastspecialties.com

02-17-2003, 09:50 AM	#15
thunderbolt Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 380	Ron1 and Rev: On those conversions, will stock 14 inch wheels fit over the roter/caliper assemblies with your kit? I thought I saw that the granada kit required 15 inch wheels, but maybe that was another one, and I don't have any idea about the Wilwood. Thanks guys.

02-17-2003, 11:56 PM	#16
Ron1 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Vancouver, WA USA Posts: 439	I will check it out and get back to you.... Ron __________________ 65 Mustang Fastback 347 Stroker, C4 with 4.56 10.68 @ 122 N/A 9.74 @ 137 w/ N2O www.fastspecialties.com

02-18-2003, 12:48 AM	#17
NO SLO PK Registered Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Arcadia, CA, USA Posts: 731	FWIW, I converted to Granada discs on my '65 and had change the stock wheels. The stock 14 x 5.5" wheels did not have a big enough opening in the center for the Granada hubs. It shouldn't be a big deal...most 14 x 6" Ford wheels will work fine. That's what I used for a while, and then finally got a set of Magnum 500's which worked also. __________________ Russ L '91 LX - 331 w/ Procharger '03 Cobra Convertible - Pullied '94 Lightning '65 Mustang Coupe

02-18-2003, 05:46 AM	#18
zach0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Hampton, Virginia Posts: 227	I belive I saw somewhere that you will need 15" or bigger rims. I am also looking at there brake kit but an concerned that it said somewhere that you have to cut. Wilwood - Phone (805) 388-1188 - Fax (805) 388-4938 Assembly Instructions http://www.wilwood.org/ds246.pdf

02-18-2003, 12:55 PM	#19
Ron1 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Vancouver, WA USA Posts: 439	The 4307-B is the exact one I installed. No cutting, no drilling, no modifications. Bolted right up. Ron __________________ 65 Mustang Fastback 347 Stroker, C4 with 4.56 10.68 @ 122 N/A 9.74 @ 137 w/ N2O www.fastspecialties.com

02-19-2003, 03:53 AM	#20
STR864 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 34	I should have never bought my 17X9 Cobra R's 4 lugs!!! I should have done a conversion to 5 lug first!! GRRrRR....thiS is just costing me more MONEY!!!

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