c4 Tranny exchange

caliplaya650 · 07-09-2001, 09:48 PM

Has any one exchanged a tranny from a New School Stang to a 65? If you have what did u have 2 do? What car was it from? What are the pro's / con's? I was thinking of swappin a tranny from a newer stang to my 65. and wanted to know if any one had taken this undertaking before.

mustangII460 · 07-10-2001, 01:41 AM

Auto or manual transmission?

Fostang · 07-10-2001, 02:53 PM

Need more info?? Anything can be done with the right amount of money.

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67'fastback-Edelbrock carb,intake,cam,valve springs.Rhode lifters, CompCam rocker arms, windage tray,cerama coated headers,dual flows with H-pipe, modded c-4,tci stall converter,perma cool electric fan,aluminum water pump,griffen aluminum radiator,accel 8.8 cable,wide cap distriburator,magnetic pick up,v-matic hurst shifter,edelbrock performer nitrous, carter electric fuel pump,ignitor coil,solid motor mounts,magna racing suspension,poly urathane bushings,under rider traction bars, comp. eng. s

amartin725 · 07-10-2001, 04:17 PM

You can put a T-5, Tremec 3550, AOD behind a 250, 289, 302, 351, etc..

You can put a T-5 or Tremec behind a '67 and newer 200

You can put a T-5 or Tremec behind a '66 200 using the '67 and later bell/clutch parts.

You can put a T-5 behind a '65 and older 200, 170, 144 using the adapter plate from Mustang's and more.

You can put a Tremec behind a '65 and older 200, 170, 144 using some parts I have available for sale.

Currently, you can not put an AOD behind a 144, 170, 200 yet. However, I will have a way to do it soon.

Al

caliplaya650 · 07-11-2001, 05:56 PM

O yah forgot the specs. Its a 65w/ 289 4 barrel C4 auto w 3:1 gears in the back. So can the swap be done? I was thinking of getting the parts from the Junk Yard

Fostang · 07-11-2001, 10:29 PM

Of course it can be done. Good luck finding everthing you'll need at a junk yard. Some fabrication must be done. It's not for the weak of heart to do unless they buy everything new.

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67'fastback-Edelbrock carb,intake,cam,valve springs.Rhode lifters, CompCam rocker arms, windage tray,cerama coated headers,dual flows with H-pipe, modded c-4,tci stall converter,perma cool electric fan,aluminum water pump,griffen aluminum radiator,accel 8.8 cable,wide cap distriburator,magnetic pick up,v-matic hurst shifter,edelbrock performer nitrous, carter electric fuel pump,ignitor coil,solid motor mounts,magna racing suspension,poly urathane bushings,under rider traction bars, comp. eng. s

amartin725 · 07-12-2001, 12:34 AM

Try www.windsor-fox.com

Keep in mind the the AOD gives you the overdrive, but it's not a real perfromance transmission. It's much more efficient transmission because of it's because of the lockup strategy.

There are two input shafts in an AOD tranny. One is hooked to the turbine, the other is direct drive. In third gear the torque converter provides 67% of its power thru the direct drive shaft. In forth gear, it is 100% direct to the overdrive gearset so there are no pumping losses thru the converter.

It's a great tranny for mileage, but that direct drive strategy makes it tough to configure as a performance transmission. When you shift gears in a manual tranny, you slip the clutch slightly to get a smooth shift. The AOD does the same. If you set the 4th gear band to shift harder, you get this terrible clunk, like you would get if you just dumped the clutch on a shift because you are in direct overdrive. So you have to walk a fine line between shifts that are hard and harsh and harsh or the soft, smooth, slippery way they are set up for at the factory.

They don't call them slushboxes for nothing!

- Some of the above text was borrowed from Jack Collins

Al

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[This message has been edited by amartin725 (edited 07-12-2001).]

caliplaya650 · 07-12-2001, 04:26 PM

Thanks for all the help. Now What years are the parts compatible. I heard that i will need to get a diffrent drive shaft?
Can any one give me a list off the parts i will need. Also will i need to do work on the undercarriage?

amartin725 · 07-12-2001, 08:03 PM

Ahem...Try the FAQ page at http://www.windsor-fox.com

http://www.windsor-fox.com/faq.htm

Al

Gearhead999 · 07-13-2001, 10:12 PM

I changed the C-4 from my 289, 68 FB to an AOD. Not all that hard.
Here's the list...

1. Driveshaft needs to be shortned alittle.
2. Different flexplate
3. Get Windsor-Fox crossmember. Makes the job alot easier.
4. Fabricate a rod to make the floor shift work, or buy it from Windso-Fox too.
5. Get the Art Carr one piece input shaft and have it installed. Takes the lockup out, you still have OD. Trans shifts much better under power.
6. Change the convertor too.
7. Baumann shift kit.
8. 2 inch OD band
9. Wide ratio gear set
10. Diode sprag
11. Get list of Ford part # off the Baumann site for the TV cable and such.
12. Make certain that trans has shift lever pointing up.
13. Only real pains were..[1] Exhaust headers clearing the pan of the trans. [2] Hooking up cable to carb. It isn't as hard as it looks, but you HAVE to have TV cable or trans will burn up.
14. Fabricate cooler lines.

Mine shifts great and with the stall convertor comes off the start like a rocket. It is street driven, not raced. The OD helps lots when you're driving to a show or cruise.

07-09-2001, 09:48 PM	#1
caliplaya650 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Moses Lake, Wa USA Posts: 72	c4 Tranny exchange Has any one exchanged a tranny from a New School Stang to a 65? If you have what did u have 2 do? What car was it from? What are the pro's / con's? I was thinking of swappin a tranny from a newer stang to my 65. and wanted to know if any one had taken this undertaking before.

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07-10-2001, 01:41 AM	#2
mustangII460 Factoy Five Roadster Join Date: May 2000 Location: Sevier Co,Tennessee Posts: 1,681	Auto or manual transmission?

07-10-2001, 02:53 PM	#3
Fostang Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Stockton, Ca Posts: 599	Need more info?? Anything can be done with the right amount of money. ------------------ 67'fastback-Edelbrock carb,intake,cam,valve springs.Rhode lifters, CompCam rocker arms, windage tray,cerama coated headers,dual flows with H-pipe, modded c-4,tci stall converter,perma cool electric fan,aluminum water pump,griffen aluminum radiator,accel 8.8 cable,wide cap distriburator,magnetic pick up,v-matic hurst shifter,edelbrock performer nitrous, carter electric fuel pump,ignitor coil,solid motor mounts,magna racing suspension,poly urathane bushings,under rider traction bars, comp. eng. s

07-10-2001, 04:17 PM	#4
amartin725 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 46	You can put a T-5, Tremec 3550, AOD behind a 250, 289, 302, 351, etc.. You can put a T-5 or Tremec behind a '67 and newer 200 You can put a T-5 or Tremec behind a '66 200 using the '67 and later bell/clutch parts. You can put a T-5 behind a '65 and older 200, 170, 144 using the adapter plate from Mustang's and more. You can put a Tremec behind a '65 and older 200, 170, 144 using some parts I have available for sale. Currently, you can not put an AOD behind a 144, 170, 200 yet. However, I will have a way to do it soon. Al

07-11-2001, 05:56 PM	#5
caliplaya650 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Moses Lake, Wa USA Posts: 72	O yah forgot the specs. Its a 65w/ 289 4 barrel C4 auto w 3:1 gears in the back. So can the swap be done? I was thinking of getting the parts from the Junk Yard

07-11-2001, 10:29 PM	#6
Fostang Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Stockton, Ca Posts: 599	Of course it can be done. Good luck finding everthing you'll need at a junk yard. Some fabrication must be done. It's not for the weak of heart to do unless they buy everything new. ------------------ 67'fastback-Edelbrock carb,intake,cam,valve springs.Rhode lifters, CompCam rocker arms, windage tray,cerama coated headers,dual flows with H-pipe, modded c-4,tci stall converter,perma cool electric fan,aluminum water pump,griffen aluminum radiator,accel 8.8 cable,wide cap distriburator,magnetic pick up,v-matic hurst shifter,edelbrock performer nitrous, carter electric fuel pump,ignitor coil,solid motor mounts,magna racing suspension,poly urathane bushings,under rider traction bars, comp. eng. s

07-12-2001, 12:34 AM	#7
amartin725 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 46	Try www.windsor-fox.com Keep in mind the the AOD gives you the overdrive, but it's not a real perfromance transmission. It's much more efficient transmission because of it's because of the lockup strategy. There are two input shafts in an AOD tranny. One is hooked to the turbine, the other is direct drive. In third gear the torque converter provides 67% of its power thru the direct drive shaft. In forth gear, it is 100% direct to the overdrive gearset so there are no pumping losses thru the converter. It's a great tranny for mileage, but that direct drive strategy makes it tough to configure as a performance transmission. When you shift gears in a manual tranny, you slip the clutch slightly to get a smooth shift. The AOD does the same. If you set the 4th gear band to shift harder, you get this terrible clunk, like you would get if you just dumped the clutch on a shift because you are in direct overdrive. So you have to walk a fine line between shifts that are hard and harsh and harsh or the soft, smooth, slippery way they are set up for at the factory. They don't call them slushboxes for nothing! - Some of the above text was borrowed from Jack Collins Al ------------------ [This message has been edited by amartin725 (edited 07-12-2001).]

07-12-2001, 04:26 PM	#8
caliplaya650 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Moses Lake, Wa USA Posts: 72	Thanks for all the help. Now What years are the parts compatible. I heard that i will need to get a diffrent drive shaft? Can any one give me a list off the parts i will need. Also will i need to do work on the undercarriage?

07-12-2001, 08:03 PM	#9
amartin725 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 46	Ahem...Try the FAQ page at http://www.windsor-fox.com http://www.windsor-fox.com/faq.htm Al

07-13-2001, 10:12 PM	#10
Gearhead999 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Oviedo, FL Posts: 992	I changed the C-4 from my 289, 68 FB to an AOD. Not all that hard. Here's the list... 1. Driveshaft needs to be shortned alittle. 2. Different flexplate 3. Get Windsor-Fox crossmember. Makes the job alot easier. 4. Fabricate a rod to make the floor shift work, or buy it from Windso-Fox too. 5. Get the Art Carr one piece input shaft and have it installed. Takes the lockup out, you still have OD. Trans shifts much better under power. 6. Change the convertor too. 7. Baumann shift kit. 8. 2 inch OD band 9. Wide ratio gear set 10. Diode sprag 11. Get list of Ford part # off the Baumann site for the TV cable and such. 12. Make certain that trans has shift lever pointing up. 13. Only real pains were..[1] Exhaust headers clearing the pan of the trans. [2] Hooking up cable to carb. It isn't as hard as it looks, but you HAVE to have TV cable or trans will burn up. 14. Fabricate cooler lines. Mine shifts great and with the stall convertor comes off the start like a rocket. It is street driven, not raced. The OD helps lots when you're driving to a show or cruise.