See the destruction caused by enviromentalists...

Power · 05-04-2001, 03:04 AM

Ok, I guess till recently I kept it hidden that used to be an import guy. But here I show you the destruction caused by enviromentalists. Because of them I lost my job, had to join the Army, and had to sell my car. This car is pictured below.

Guess things work out for the better. My parents bailed me out by buying up the debt on it. And I bought my first Mustang which I had been wanting since young anyway. Still though, cursed be those damn hippies........

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1966 Baby blue Coupe, 289, Manual 3-speed, Edelbrock 650, Flowmaster 3-chambers, and minor upgrades. Interior work includes custom paneling, custom dash dress-up(I refuse to cut anything out of the original), Rewiring most of the electronics, Porsche 911 seats installed soon, and Stroker kit when I get to Texas. November of 2001 I will go back to Dallas.

Power · 05-04-2001, 03:10 AM

Dad-gummet.........

here.

http://macadoodle.iwarp.com/cgi-bin/i/300zx1.jpg
http://macadoodle.iwarp.com/cgi-bin/i/300zx2.jpg

Stupid website.......grrr....

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1966 Baby blue Coupe, 289, Manual 3-speed, Edelbrock 650, Flowmaster 3-chambers, and minor upgrades. Interior work includes custom paneling, custom dash dress-up(I refuse to cut anything out of the original), Rewiring most of the electronics, Porsche 911 seats installed soon, and Stroker kit when I get to Texas. November of 2001 I will go back to Dallas.

95mustanggt · 05-04-2001, 08:44 AM

Why'd you keep it hidden? I think that 300Z is a nice looking car, by no means rice. Now if there was a 3 foot wing on the back....

Be carefull how you use the word "evironmentalists". I think that we all are evironmentalists. I know that I like the environment. But the stupid freakin morons in Greenpeace and Sierra Club are Environmental TERRORISTS! Those bastards don't know the first thing about the environment, reason, cause/effect theory or any common sense idea.

I HATE

those guys! I'm a mining engineer and trying to talk sense to these retards is impossible, they just don't understand. They want no mining, no construction, no cars, no powerplants, no manufacturing yet they want heated or A/C houses, buses, cars, airplanes, food (most is transported), medical technology, education, blah, blah, blah the list of wants goes on and on, and yet they don't understand the impact everything has.

Sorry I guess that turned into a rant...

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Driving: 1998 F-150
Far way in Edmonton==>

1995 Mustang GT

bigwhitecobra · 05-04-2001, 09:22 AM

Not sure that I understand what you are talking about, but that is a nice car. Darn nice, in fact.

I have a friend that is into all the enviromentalist hoopla, and talking to him is rather difficult. 95mustanggt, I feel your pain.

69fastback · 05-04-2001, 11:14 AM

Hey I don't care what u used to drive just nice to see some more classic mustang fans on the board

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69 428 cobra jet: tons of mods.
97 f-150 5.4 xlt mark III
BUCKLE UP. SUCK IT IN.
Objects in the mirror are about to disappear...
QUICKLY!!!!!!

Mr 5 0 · 05-05-2001, 08:09 PM

Sorry I guess that turned into a rant..

Good rant...it was logical and heartfelt.

No sane person wants to drink polluted water or breathe dirty air but there is always some compromise to be made, and that's what the enviro-terrorists simply will not do.
As you point out, we cannot enjoy the comforts and conveniences of the 21st century without some trade-off in some areas of the environment. It's a simple case of cost/benefit and since no one wants to destroy our natural resources (despite what the ultra-liberal enviromentalists claim), we have to decide how and what we'll tolerate to have ever-cleaner water and air.
Sometimes, getting the air or water 99% clean can cost fifty times what it takes to get it 98% clean. The question: is it worth it to get that 1% difference if we already have 98%? Usually the answer is no, if you are rational about it. Enviro-whackos are not rational when they demand everything in the environment be 100% pure, no matter the cost in terms of money, jobs and yes, even 'lifestyle'.
You are correct to find fault with this take-no-prisioners attitude that defies rational argument - against all evidence.

Clean and pure is great and America has made huge strides in environmentalism, especially with automobile emmissions, as we all know.
On the other hand, unreasonable restrictions on building new power plants - as evidenced by the energy crisis in California - can have consequences that the enviro-whackos don't wish to discuss and the politicians that helped keep California in the no-new-plants and no-rise-in-energy prices state that it maintained for years, are now offering the feeble excuse of 'Power Company greed' as the reason for the crisis. Really? Strange, only California companies had this 'greed'?
What about the other 50 states? The fact that the companies are going bankrupt is also rather odd, since they 'gouged' customers because of all this (California-only) 'greed'.

Please. Corrupt politicians got elected by demonizing power companies and capping the price they could charge customers for electric power, even though the companies were paying more and more for the powewr they had to buy from other states, due to the simple fact that they were never allowed, by law, to build new plants to produce the power needed for the state. Customers thought it was great electric costs were so low and the politicians took the credit. The environmental whackos were thrilled that no ant or chipmunk was ever disturbed by the building of a power plant that would benefit humans instead of snakes and woodchucks.
Now, it's all falling apart and the fingers of blame are pointing everywhere but at the politicians and environmental kooks who got what they wanted and now wish to blame others when it goes bad and the consequences of the actions they demanded (no new plants) is manifested in high electric bills and serious shortages of power. It's sad and worse, was preventable. The cry for 'Washington' to 'help' (give California tax money) is falling on deaf ears, and for good reason.
Why should my tax dollars go to bail out a state that, for years, happily elected and relected governors and local leaders who promised and delivered on 'no new power plants...no rise in your utility rates' and now, have to deal with the results of that short-sighted dand irresponsible public policy that the residents applauded and accepted...until the lights went out?
No thanks.

When powerful environmental activists get to the point that the policies they promote (and are passed by the politicians) endanger the health and safety of the residents of a large state, as they have in California, it's high time to reconsider these policies and take a very hard look at those who promoted them and still claim the high moral ground, even as the lights dim and everyone suffers.

mustangII460 · 05-05-2001, 11:31 PM

Green Peace, they mean well I guess but it does not always turn out that way.

Remember the Valdez spilling oil? Seems Green Peace spent around $250,000 thats (Quarter million) on saving one seal.

Anyway they nursed it back to health,took it out into SanFrancisco bay and ran it over with there boat,killing it.

I do think we are all of good intention but money will always beat out the enviormental concerns,sad but true.

O-yeah 300z's are cool too.

Power · 05-06-2001, 02:00 AM

Many apologies for starting an enviro-debate. My original post was kinda a joke anyway. My point was just the I lost my job due to the industry shutting down in Oregon. I can only speak for my neck of the woods, but the powerful groups that shutdown the timber industry a few years ago were sometimes fanatical. Blocking roads with human shields and climbing tree's tagged for falling. At the same time they sure are glad to be wiping their a$$ with Toilet Paper and wrapping their MJ in papers. I watched as a whole industry that my family has thrived on for 7 generations was shutdown overnight. All because a small owl was supposedly endangered. I personally have seen the owl habitat and know that its nesting sites are 3-4 more times out of danger than ever in danger.

Anyway....sorry for joining the rant of everyone else.

I might someday buy the Z back from my parents. Thats why they bought it in the first place. So that I could get it back if I wanted it.

Hmmmm........nah. My next vehicle is going to be a F250 SuperCab. True hick at heart...

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1966 Baby blue Coupe, 289, Manual 3-speed, Edelbrock 650, Flowmaster 3-chambers, and minor upgrades. Interior work includes custom paneling, custom dash dress-up(I refuse to cut anything out of the original), Rewiring most of the electronics, Porsche 911 seats installed soon, and Stroker kit when I get to Texas. November of 2001 I will go back to Dallas.

Unit 5302 · 05-06-2001, 12:20 PM

It would appear that nuclear power may be on it's way back in.

There is a proposal to build a new nuclear powerplant that should be made in August.

I think that may have a good deal to do with efficientcy, and rising fuel costs.

95mustanggt · 05-06-2001, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr 5 0:

Sometimes, getting the air or water 99% clean can cost fifty times what it takes to get it 98% clean. The question: is it worth it to get that 1% difference if we already have 98%?

Spoken like a true well-informed, rational, intelligent person. Why can't more people think like this?

Along side all the technical courses I took in University, I had to take environmental courses and almost every technical course had an "environmental spin" to it. I learned a lot about the environment and the true legal and technical aspects of engineering and business.

I guess why I've quoted that phase is that It seams funny that these groups are willing to spend countless resourses on getting that last 1% of cleanliness (and you are correct the cost is exponential), they ignore countries or area's that are only 10% clean. Why not spend a fraction of the cost and get that region to 80% clean? You'll remove more harmfull crap from the evironment. We all know that pollution knows no borders!

It's like a recent study done by some stupid group (can't recall the name), they rated Canada as the worst polluter on the planet!
Yes per capita our record isn't that good. But there's more people in Calinforina than all of Canada. So our actual pollution contribution is not that bad. Why not target countries like China and India (I'm not trying to pick on these countries)? Per capita they have low polution levels. Well no freakin' kidding!

Ahhhhhh, it's enough to pull your hair out! Oh well sorry to get going again. This whole subject just drives me crazy.

on a different note:

GO LEAFS GO!

05-07-2001, 09:51 AM

Thanks, Mr. 5 0, for making my life a little easier. Since moving out to California, I have been bombarded by questions about the energy crisis from my friends back East. Now I can simply refer them to this post!

I consider myself to be environmentally responsible, maybe even more than most. But I sure don't want to see the spike in crime and other undesireable results that will come from the longer and more frequent blackouts that are certain to happen this summer.

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Greg
91 LX Convertible

05-04-2001, 03:04 AM	#1
Power Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Oregon Posts: 420	See the destruction caused by enviromentalists... Ok, I guess till recently I kept it hidden that used to be an import guy. But here I show you the destruction caused by enviromentalists. Because of them I lost my job, had to join the Army, and had to sell my car. This car is pictured below. Guess things work out for the better. My parents bailed me out by buying up the debt on it. And I bought my first Mustang which I had been wanting since young anyway. Still though, cursed be those damn hippies........ ------------------ 1966 Baby blue Coupe, 289, Manual 3-speed, Edelbrock 650, Flowmaster 3-chambers, and minor upgrades. Interior work includes custom paneling, custom dash dress-up(I refuse to cut anything out of the original), Rewiring most of the electronics, Porsche 911 seats installed soon, and Stroker kit when I get to Texas. November of 2001 I will go back to Dallas.

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05-04-2001, 03:10 AM	#2
Power Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Oregon Posts: 420	Dad-gummet......... here. http://macadoodle.iwarp.com/cgi-bin/i/300zx1.jpg http://macadoodle.iwarp.com/cgi-bin/i/300zx2.jpg Stupid website.......grrr.... ------------------ 1966 Baby blue Coupe, 289, Manual 3-speed, Edelbrock 650, Flowmaster 3-chambers, and minor upgrades. Interior work includes custom paneling, custom dash dress-up(I refuse to cut anything out of the original), Rewiring most of the electronics, Porsche 911 seats installed soon, and Stroker kit when I get to Texas. November of 2001 I will go back to Dallas.

05-04-2001, 08:44 AM	#3
95mustanggt Registered Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Kamloops, BC Posts: 2,875	Why'd you keep it hidden? I think that 300Z is a nice looking car, by no means rice. Now if there was a 3 foot wing on the back.... Be carefull how you use the word "evironmentalists". I think that we all are evironmentalists. I know that I like the environment. But the stupid freakin morons in Greenpeace and Sierra Club are Environmental TERRORISTS! Those bastards don't know the first thing about the environment, reason, cause/effect theory or any common sense idea. I HATE those guys! I'm a mining engineer and trying to talk sense to these retards is impossible, they just don't understand. They want no mining, no construction, no cars, no powerplants, no manufacturing yet they want heated or A/C houses, buses, cars, airplanes, food (most is transported), medical technology, education, blah, blah, blah the list of wants goes on and on, and yet they don't understand the impact everything has. Sorry I guess that turned into a rant... ------------------ Driving: 1998 F-150 Far way in Edmonton==> 1995 Mustang GT

05-04-2001, 09:22 AM	#4
bigwhitecobra Huh? Whatcha said? Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 1,073	Not sure that I understand what you are talking about, but that is a nice car. Darn nice, in fact. I have a friend that is into all the enviromentalist hoopla, and talking to him is rather difficult. 95mustanggt, I feel your pain.

05-04-2001, 11:14 AM	#5
69fastback IRAQ VET Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: high desert California Posts: 1,480	Hey I don't care what u used to drive just nice to see some more classic mustang fans on the board ------------------ 69 428 cobra jet: tons of mods. 97 f-150 5.4 xlt mark III BUCKLE UP. SUCK IT IN. Objects in the mirror are about to disappear... QUICKLY!!!!!!

05-05-2001, 08:09 PM	#6
Mr 5 0 Conservative Individualist Join Date: May 1997 Location: Wherever I need to be Posts: 7,487	Sorry I guess that turned into a rant.. Good rant...it was logical and heartfelt. No sane person wants to drink polluted water or breathe dirty air but there is always some compromise to be made, and that's what the enviro-terrorists simply will not do. As you point out, we cannot enjoy the comforts and conveniences of the 21st century without some trade-off in some areas of the environment. It's a simple case of cost/benefit and since no one wants to destroy our natural resources (despite what the ultra-liberal enviromentalists claim), we have to decide how and what we'll tolerate to have ever-cleaner water and air. Sometimes, getting the air or water 99% clean can cost fifty times what it takes to get it 98% clean. The question: is it worth it to get that 1% difference if we already have 98%? Usually the answer is no, if you are rational about it. Enviro-whackos are not rational when they demand everything in the environment be 100% pure, no matter the cost in terms of money, jobs and yes, even 'lifestyle'. You are correct to find fault with this take-no-prisioners attitude that defies rational argument - against all evidence. Clean and pure is great and America has made huge strides in environmentalism, especially with automobile emmissions, as we all know. On the other hand, unreasonable restrictions on building new power plants - as evidenced by the energy crisis in California - can have consequences that the enviro-whackos don't wish to discuss and the politicians that helped keep California in the no-new-plants and no-rise-in-energy prices state that it maintained for years, are now offering the feeble excuse of 'Power Company greed' as the reason for the crisis. Really? Strange, only California companies had this 'greed'? What about the other 50 states? The fact that the companies are going bankrupt is also rather odd, since they 'gouged' customers because of all this (California-only) 'greed'. Please. Corrupt politicians got elected by demonizing power companies and capping the price they could charge customers for electric power, even though the companies were paying more and more for the powewr they had to buy from other states, due to the simple fact that they were never allowed, by law, to build new plants to produce the power needed for the state. Customers thought it was great electric costs were so low and the politicians took the credit. The environmental whackos were thrilled that no ant or chipmunk was ever disturbed by the building of a power plant that would benefit humans instead of snakes and woodchucks. Now, it's all falling apart and the fingers of blame are pointing everywhere but at the politicians and environmental kooks who got what they wanted and now wish to blame others when it goes bad and the consequences of the actions they demanded (no new plants) is manifested in high electric bills and serious shortages of power. It's sad and worse, was preventable. The cry for 'Washington' to 'help' (give California tax money) is falling on deaf ears, and for good reason. Why should my tax dollars go to bail out a state that, for years, happily elected and relected governors and local leaders who promised and delivered on 'no new power plants...no rise in your utility rates' and now, have to deal with the results of that short-sighted dand irresponsible public policy that the residents applauded and accepted...until the lights went out? No thanks. When powerful environmental activists get to the point that the policies they promote (and are passed by the politicians) endanger the health and safety of the residents of a large state, as they have in California, it's high time to reconsider these policies and take a very hard look at those who promoted them and still claim the high moral ground, even as the lights dim and everyone suffers.

05-05-2001, 11:31 PM	#7
mustangII460 Factoy Five Roadster Join Date: May 2000 Location: Sevier Co,Tennessee Posts: 1,681	Green Peace, they mean well I guess but it does not always turn out that way. Remember the Valdez spilling oil? Seems Green Peace spent around $250,000 thats (Quarter million) on saving one seal. Anyway they nursed it back to health,took it out into SanFrancisco bay and ran it over with there boat,killing it. I do think we are all of good intention but money will always beat out the enviormental concerns,sad but true. O-yeah 300z's are cool too.

05-06-2001, 02:00 AM	#8
Power Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Oregon Posts: 420	Many apologies for starting an enviro-debate. My original post was kinda a joke anyway. My point was just the I lost my job due to the industry shutting down in Oregon. I can only speak for my neck of the woods, but the powerful groups that shutdown the timber industry a few years ago were sometimes fanatical. Blocking roads with human shields and climbing tree's tagged for falling. At the same time they sure are glad to be wiping their a$$ with Toilet Paper and wrapping their MJ in papers. I watched as a whole industry that my family has thrived on for 7 generations was shutdown overnight. All because a small owl was supposedly endangered. I personally have seen the owl habitat and know that its nesting sites are 3-4 more times out of danger than ever in danger. Anyway....sorry for joining the rant of everyone else. I might someday buy the Z back from my parents. Thats why they bought it in the first place. So that I could get it back if I wanted it. Hmmmm........nah. My next vehicle is going to be a F250 SuperCab. True hick at heart... ------------------ 1966 Baby blue Coupe, 289, Manual 3-speed, Edelbrock 650, Flowmaster 3-chambers, and minor upgrades. Interior work includes custom paneling, custom dash dress-up(I refuse to cut anything out of the original), Rewiring most of the electronics, Porsche 911 seats installed soon, and Stroker kit when I get to Texas. November of 2001 I will go back to Dallas.

05-06-2001, 12:20 PM	#9
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	It would appear that nuclear power may be on it's way back in. There is a proposal to build a new nuclear powerplant that should be made in August. I think that may have a good deal to do with efficientcy, and rising fuel costs.

05-07-2001, 09:51 AM	#11
cleangreenmachine Guest Posts: n/a	Thanks, Mr. 5 0, for making my life a little easier. Since moving out to California, I have been bombarded by questions about the energy crisis from my friends back East. Now I can simply refer them to this post! I consider myself to be environmentally responsible, maybe even more than most. But I sure don't want to see the spike in crime and other undesireable results that will come from the longer and more frequent blackouts that are certain to happen this summer. ------------------ Greg 91 LX Convertible