Water Pump

Elvis · 12-16-2006, 03:19 PM

I'm doing some upgrades to the engine in my '67 coupe and thought that while I was in there I would replace the water pump. Currently I have one of the cast iron pumps. Should I replace with the same? Any advantage to the aluminum pump? Would it be more "aesthetically" pleasing? Any suggestions? Thanks, E.

rwhite65 · 12-16-2006, 05:03 PM

I had an aluminum one on my last set-up. I was not a big fan of the Hipo style. Even though it weighs more, I went back to the old cast iron style. I had troubles with my last ones lasting and or not leaking.

I am probably the only one to go to a cast iron one from an aluminum pump...but thought I would give you my two cents.
Ryan

Rev · 12-16-2006, 05:31 PM

I can recommend the Edelbrock aluminum water pump. It has oversized ball bearings (instead of a brass bushings) and is a high output design. I've had mine for 5 years now with no problems what-so-ever. Before that I had an auto supply cast iron pump and then a FlowCooler aluminum pump (made offshore I later found out). Both had brass bushings instead of ball bearings and both leaked within a year or two. I think it cost me $150 five years ago from Summit for the Edelbrock.

Rev

Elvis · 12-16-2006, 06:52 PM

That's probably a good idea. I have an Edelbrock intake and carb. I'm now adding Edelbrock heads, cam, lifters and timing chain so I may as well go all the way with Edelbrock. E.

Gearhead999 · 12-16-2006, 08:14 PM

I'd get a good aluminum one. Edelbrock is good.

Devine65GT · 12-18-2006, 08:44 PM

i just put an Edelbrock on mine, also did the same as you with the Edelbrock intake,heads, lifters, and fuel pump. haveing a problem with the fuel pump, to much pressure so waitting on a regulator to add to it. i used the #88412 permastar

Elvis · 01-08-2007, 07:49 PM

Ok, I think that I now have all of the pieces to the puzzle. I bought my Edelbrock Performer heads, the Performer cam and lifters, the Performer timing chain, roller rockers, head bolts, gaskets and Edelbrock aluminum water pump. I already had the Performer intake and Edelbrock carb so I am ready to go to work. That's the good news. The bad news is that my wife has completely lost her sense of humor about the money I'm spending on a 40 year old car. Why do they not understand? E.

rwhite65 · 01-09-2007, 10:20 AM

I tried to tell my mother once it was the same as why she spends thousands of dollars on her 40 year old house.

Let me know how that goes for you.
Ryan

Rev · 01-09-2007, 05:35 PM

My Mustang was bought originally in '68 when I was still in school and my wife was the bread winner. The car was financed through the Teacher's Credit Union and is registered in her name. Now when she complains about all that money being spent on that loud old car, I remind her that it's her car and that she should be greatful that I take such good care of it. Of course that goes over like a ton of bricks.

Rev

66-351 · 01-24-2007, 10:43 PM

I'd go with the Edelbrock water pump. But, why Edelbrock everything? The intake, sure, they're about the best with intakes. But if you went with a CompCams cam, and maybe RHS, AFR, or even World products heads you could probably make a lot more power. Sticking with one company is OK, but you're limiting yourself too much. Look at the numbers Edelbrock shows for their Performer or Performer RPM packages, I don't know what engine you're running, but I'm sure that with a little more research you could get alot more bang for your buck.

Gearhead999 · 01-26-2007, 05:21 PM

When you figure out why wife doesn't understand your spending.

PLEASE LET US ALL KNOW!!!!

Elvis · 01-26-2007, 08:01 PM

I thought that I had responded to 66-351 but I don't see it so it may have been a "senior moment". Anyway, I am not overly familiar with engine work so I wanted to keep things as simple as possible and to make sure that everything would be completely compatible. I already had the Edelbrock intake and carb and was happy with them so I decided to stick with something I like. I am told that my combination will give me approx 330 HP which should be adequate for my needs. I just want a bit more ooomph. Also, every now and then I enjoy showing the kids with their rice burners what a real car can do. Perhaps I am easily amused.
Regarding my wife's attitude toward spending money on a 40 year-old car, every now and then I remind her that it may be expensive but at least it is not another woman. I'm not sure if that is well received but at least it diverts her attention. E.

66-351 · 01-28-2007, 03:01 PM

About the wife, mine says that my 66 coupe IS the other woman, but she understands. Her understanding of it is, "I love my car like women love shoes", so she don't mind. Back on the engine, the combo I'm going with will be making around 480-500hp, on pump gas. I don't just want to beat the little punk in the ricer, I want to DESTROY him,haha. But let me know what kind of engine you're building and I'll see if I can help you out.

Elvis · 01-28-2007, 08:09 PM

Well, I suppose it depends on what you want to do with your toy. I have a stock 302 with a C4 transmission. As mentioned, it has an Edelbrock Performer intake and carb. It already does OK but I'd like a bit more performance. I think that the new Edelbrock heads, cam, rockers, etc will give me what I want. As a matter of fact, we are installing the new stuff this week. The next step will be to beef up the transmission. I have a plan for that. I admire the 500 HP machines but it would be over-kill for me. All I want is a good looking, head turning classic with a throaty rumble and the ability to do a bit of a burn if I choose to. E.

66-351 · 01-28-2007, 08:19 PM

Hey, you have to build it for how you're gonna use it. So good job on the 330hp out of a 302. Have you tried a Lunati cam? They give good power, no overkill, and they have one helluva rumble. Also, as far as heads, if you could find a set of 69 351W heads, put larger valves, port and polish, it would give you the same power as the Edelbrock heads for about half the price. But if you went that route, you would have to use the intake from a 351W, since the deck height is different.

Elvis · 01-28-2007, 08:37 PM

It's a bit late for me to shop around now as I already bought all of the pieces. Who knows, I may want to do some upgrades later but for now I think I'll let the dust settle and try to restore some marital bliss. I'll let you know what I think about these changes when I get them done. E.

66-351 · 01-28-2007, 08:42 PM

Let me know how it turns out. Hope you get back on the wife's good side.

Devine65GT · 01-30-2007, 08:29 PM

I with you E, i dont need a 10 sec car. specialy not in the body of a classic now a 2000-2007 thats a differnt story. since i have had my car the only thing i have never liked about it was the motor. the way it looked the way it ran. i just wanted it to look good and have a bit of performance aswell, i went with the edelbrock parts because like you i wanted it to be consistant and the fact that i get a 20% discount on edel parts =X. but for the most part edelbrock is a good name in parts and performance and it was just what i was looking for.
matt

66-351 · 01-30-2007, 09:28 PM

[QUOTE=Devine65GT;329455]I with you E, i dont need a 10 sec car. specialy not in the body of a classic

Why not build a classic that's as fast as if not faster than a newer car? It's a helluva lot of fun.

rwhite65 · 01-30-2007, 10:34 PM

[QUOTE=66-351;329458]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devine65GT

I with you E, i dont need a 10 sec car. specialy not in the body of a classic

Why not build a classic that's as fast as if not faster than a newer car? It's a helluva lot of fun.

but very expensive

12-16-2006, 03:19 PM	#1
Elvis Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Sherman, Texas Posts: 188	Water Pump I'm doing some upgrades to the engine in my '67 coupe and thought that while I was in there I would replace the water pump. Currently I have one of the cast iron pumps. Should I replace with the same? Any advantage to the aluminum pump? Would it be more "aesthetically" pleasing? Any suggestions? Thanks, E.

12-16-2006, 05:03 PM	#2
rwhite65 Ride Hard Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wyoming IL Posts: 1,094	Re: Water Pump I had an aluminum one on my last set-up. I was not a big fan of the Hipo style. Even though it weighs more, I went back to the old cast iron style. I had troubles with my last ones lasting and or not leaking. I am probably the only one to go to a cast iron one from an aluminum pump...but thought I would give you my two cents. Ryan __________________ 65 Fastback 91 roller 306, H/C/I AOD-Bauman, PI Stallion, 4.10's and traction loc 04 Grand Cherokee Freedom Edition 79 Ford F-250 4x4 - Restored

12-16-2006, 05:31 PM	#3
Rev Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 3,887	Re: Water Pump I can recommend the Edelbrock aluminum water pump. It has oversized ball bearings (instead of a brass bushings) and is a high output design. I've had mine for 5 years now with no problems what-so-ever. Before that I had an auto supply cast iron pump and then a FlowCooler aluminum pump (made offshore I later found out). Both had brass bushings instead of ball bearings and both leaked within a year or two. I think it cost me $150 five years ago from Summit for the Edelbrock. Rev __________________ '66 Coupe, 306, 350-375 HP, C-4, 13.07 e.t., 104.8 mph, 1/4 mi. O.B.C. #2 '66 coupe

12-16-2006, 06:52 PM	#4
Elvis Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Sherman, Texas Posts: 188	Re: Water Pump That's probably a good idea. I have an Edelbrock intake and carb. I'm now adding Edelbrock heads, cam, lifters and timing chain so I may as well go all the way with Edelbrock. E.

12-16-2006, 08:14 PM	#5
Gearhead999 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Oviedo, FL Posts: 992	Re: Water Pump I'd get a good aluminum one. Edelbrock is good. __________________ "Support our Troops" Dave 1968 Cougar 2004 Thunderbird 2007 F150 Harley-Davidson, SuperCrew 1986 LTD 1997 Ranger 1992 Honda Civic

12-18-2006, 08:44 PM	#6
Devine65GT Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Austin Posts: 88	Re: Water Pump i just put an Edelbrock on mine, also did the same as you with the Edelbrock intake,heads, lifters, and fuel pump. haveing a problem with the fuel pump, to much pressure so waitting on a regulator to add to it. i used the #88412 permastar __________________ 65 mustang GT, Matallic Ferrari red,306 Cobra, Edelbrock 1406 modifiied ,Edelbrock Performer manifold, C6 , Edelbrock shorties and exhaust system. My 65

01-08-2007, 07:49 PM	#7
Elvis Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Sherman, Texas Posts: 188	Re: Water Pump Ok, I think that I now have all of the pieces to the puzzle. I bought my Edelbrock Performer heads, the Performer cam and lifters, the Performer timing chain, roller rockers, head bolts, gaskets and Edelbrock aluminum water pump. I already had the Performer intake and Edelbrock carb so I am ready to go to work. That's the good news. The bad news is that my wife has completely lost her sense of humor about the money I'm spending on a 40 year old car. Why do they not understand? E.

01-09-2007, 10:20 AM	#8
rwhite65 Ride Hard Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wyoming IL Posts: 1,094	Re: Water Pump I tried to tell my mother once it was the same as why she spends thousands of dollars on her 40 year old house. Let me know how that goes for you. Ryan __________________ 65 Fastback 91 roller 306, H/C/I AOD-Bauman, PI Stallion, 4.10's and traction loc 04 Grand Cherokee Freedom Edition 79 Ford F-250 4x4 - Restored

01-09-2007, 05:35 PM	#9
Rev Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 3,887	Re: Water Pump My Mustang was bought originally in '68 when I was still in school and my wife was the bread winner. The car was financed through the Teacher's Credit Union and is registered in her name. Now when she complains about all that money being spent on that loud old car, I remind her that it's her car and that she should be greatful that I take such good care of it. Of course that goes over like a ton of bricks. Rev __________________ '66 Coupe, 306, 350-375 HP, C-4, 13.07 e.t., 104.8 mph, 1/4 mi. O.B.C. #2 '66 coupe

01-24-2007, 10:43 PM	#10
66-351 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 26	Re: Water Pump I'd go with the Edelbrock water pump. But, why Edelbrock everything? The intake, sure, they're about the best with intakes. But if you went with a CompCams cam, and maybe RHS, AFR, or even World products heads you could probably make a lot more power. Sticking with one company is OK, but you're limiting yourself too much. Look at the numbers Edelbrock shows for their Performer or Performer RPM packages, I don't know what engine you're running, but I'm sure that with a little more research you could get alot more bang for your buck.

01-26-2007, 05:21 PM	#11
Gearhead999 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Oviedo, FL Posts: 992	Re: Water Pump When you figure out why wife doesn't understand your spending. PLEASE LET US ALL KNOW!!!! __________________ "Support our Troops" Dave 1968 Cougar 2004 Thunderbird 2007 F150 Harley-Davidson, SuperCrew 1986 LTD 1997 Ranger 1992 Honda Civic

01-26-2007, 08:01 PM	#12
Elvis Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Sherman, Texas Posts: 188	Re: Water Pump I thought that I had responded to 66-351 but I don't see it so it may have been a "senior moment". Anyway, I am not overly familiar with engine work so I wanted to keep things as simple as possible and to make sure that everything would be completely compatible. I already had the Edelbrock intake and carb and was happy with them so I decided to stick with something I like. I am told that my combination will give me approx 330 HP which should be adequate for my needs. I just want a bit more ooomph. Also, every now and then I enjoy showing the kids with their rice burners what a real car can do. Perhaps I am easily amused. Regarding my wife's attitude toward spending money on a 40 year-old car, every now and then I remind her that it may be expensive but at least it is not another woman. I'm not sure if that is well received but at least it diverts her attention. E.

01-28-2007, 03:01 PM	#13
66-351 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 26	Re: Water Pump About the wife, mine says that my 66 coupe IS the other woman, but she understands. Her understanding of it is, "I love my car like women love shoes", so she don't mind. Back on the engine, the combo I'm going with will be making around 480-500hp, on pump gas. I don't just want to beat the little punk in the ricer, I want to DESTROY him,haha. But let me know what kind of engine you're building and I'll see if I can help you out. __________________

01-28-2007, 08:09 PM	#14
Elvis Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Sherman, Texas Posts: 188	Re: Water Pump Well, I suppose it depends on what you want to do with your toy. I have a stock 302 with a C4 transmission. As mentioned, it has an Edelbrock Performer intake and carb. It already does OK but I'd like a bit more performance. I think that the new Edelbrock heads, cam, rockers, etc will give me what I want. As a matter of fact, we are installing the new stuff this week. The next step will be to beef up the transmission. I have a plan for that. I admire the 500 HP machines but it would be over-kill for me. All I want is a good looking, head turning classic with a throaty rumble and the ability to do a bit of a burn if I choose to. E.

01-28-2007, 08:19 PM	#15
66-351 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 26	Re: Water Pump Hey, you have to build it for how you're gonna use it. So good job on the 330hp out of a 302. Have you tried a Lunati cam? They give good power, no overkill, and they have one helluva rumble. Also, as far as heads, if you could find a set of 69 351W heads, put larger valves, port and polish, it would give you the same power as the Edelbrock heads for about half the price. But if you went that route, you would have to use the intake from a 351W, since the deck height is different. __________________

01-28-2007, 08:37 PM	#16
Elvis Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Sherman, Texas Posts: 188	Re: Water Pump It's a bit late for me to shop around now as I already bought all of the pieces. Who knows, I may want to do some upgrades later but for now I think I'll let the dust settle and try to restore some marital bliss. I'll let you know what I think about these changes when I get them done. E.

01-28-2007, 08:42 PM	#17
66-351 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 26	Re: Water Pump Let me know how it turns out. Hope you get back on the wife's good side. __________________

01-30-2007, 08:29 PM	#18
Devine65GT Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Austin Posts: 88	Re: Water Pump I with you E, i dont need a 10 sec car. specialy not in the body of a classic now a 2000-2007 thats a differnt story. since i have had my car the only thing i have never liked about it was the motor. the way it looked the way it ran. i just wanted it to look good and have a bit of performance aswell, i went with the edelbrock parts because like you i wanted it to be consistant and the fact that i get a 20% discount on edel parts =X. but for the most part edelbrock is a good name in parts and performance and it was just what i was looking for. matt __________________ 65 mustang GT, Matallic Ferrari red,306 Cobra, Edelbrock 1406 modifiied ,Edelbrock Performer manifold, C6 , Edelbrock shorties and exhaust system. My 65

01-30-2007, 09:28 PM	#19
66-351 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 26	Re: Water Pump [QUOTE=Devine65GT;329455]I with you E, i dont need a 10 sec car. specialy not in the body of a classic Why not build a classic that's as fast as if not faster than a newer car? It's a helluva lot of fun. __________________

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