what do I have

fordkid68 · 04-10-2003, 09:15 PM

hello me again-

now forgive me for this not being A mustang question but I am sure someone here will know.

ok I went and picked up an engine today. but am not sure of what it is. one person was saying it was A 289 and came from A 64 ranchero. the other person said it was A 260 and came form A 64 fairlane wagon. so I figured I would look up the serial number but can't find it. does any one know where it is located on the block.

thanks
ford kid

thunderbolt · 04-11-2003, 08:34 AM

Can't help on the numbers, but if you pull a cylinder head you can check the engine bore, but use a caliper. 289 is a 4.0 inch bore. 260 is smaller but I can't remember by how much. Does the motor still have the original intake? I am not an expert, but don't recall the 289's before 65 coming in 2 bbl configuration, nor a 260 coming in 4 bbl but I could easily be wrong about that.

fordkid68 · 04-11-2003, 09:31 AM

well it appears to have A high rise manifold on it.not completly sure but it looks higher then what I am use to seeing. and it is A 2bbl. well I was planing on pulling the heads of to see what kind of shape it is in side any ways so I will try to get A hold of A caliper.

thanks
ford kid

fordkid68 · 04-19-2003, 06:57 PM

hello-

well after going back and forth alot. and reading alot.I still do not know what I have.I could not find A caliper. but just cuz I was board I used A tap measure(dont laugh) and it was just under 4 inches. but I know it might not be acurate. any ways. I finally found the engine code on the block. but several people have told me different things. so here is the code. what do you guys think.

C40E-60158

again this is off of the block. not the car. every book I have read keeps saying find the number on the car. but I dont have the car.

thanks
ford kid

gofastmercury · 04-20-2003, 04:09 PM

If its under 4 inches for sure, then its a 260, that casting date alos sounds really early for a 289, Best bet is get those calipers and get a real number, just guessing till then.

fordkid68 · 04-20-2003, 07:16 PM

yea your right I should just go and buy A caliper. where can you get them at.

thanks
ford kid

red · 04-21-2003, 05:52 PM

Good calipers are expensive >$200, check out http://www.penntoolco.com

I think Sears sells a plastic caliper that is good enough for rough measurements (to the tenth of an inch, not the thousanths).

zach0 · 04-21-2003, 06:55 PM

Most auto stores carry them realatively cheap. I got mine from autozone for under 15.00.

Rev · 04-21-2003, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by zach0
Most auto stores carry them realatively cheap. I got mine from autozone for under 15.00.

You got 4 inch calipers for that price?

Rev

Shaggy · 04-21-2003, 07:34 PM

Rev go to tool club on harwin they have them there cheap.

Well you probaly have figured out by now you a a 64 block by the numbers. Now as far as production numbers go it is more then likely a 260 but that is a guess based on production numbers not actually looking at it. I have some possibly really bad news for you though that motor will not bolt up to your 68 tranny. They changed bellhousing from a 5 bolt to a 6 bolt in 65 and the old 5 bolt parts get a little harder to find everyyear not to mention i know of no one who makes any really strong auto transmissions or an SFI bellhousing if you wanted to go with a standard for the 5 bolt blocks.

fordkid68 · 04-22-2003, 01:01 AM

well I dont got 200$ for A caliper. but I think one that messures to the tenth of an inch should do fine for now.

actually A transmision came with it. so I am set on that. but would it hook up to A regular drive shaft. I am not going to put it in any thing later then 66.

the only thing is the trans looks like A 2 speed automatic. at first I thought it was 3 speed but now I dont think so. but I have never heard of A ford 2 speed trans. did they make one.

thanks
ford kid

Shaggy · 04-22-2003, 07:32 AM

The tranny is more than likely a 24 spline C-4 with the green dot vavle body. At least that was the most common back then. To my knowledge there is no ford 2 speed for passenger cars. What makes you think it is a 2 speed if it is the shift detents then that would just confirm the green dot valve body. I hate that valve body but I have met a few people that liked it(the shift pattern for it is PRND2 there is no provision to manually put it in and hold 1st gear). Last but not least the driveshaft is not anything special it is just a driveshaft annd any of the yolks from any of the small block trannys but a C-6 will fit it and overall length is the same as a 68 small block and C-4 combo.

fordkid68 · 04-22-2003, 01:07 PM

so what your saying is that the 2 is actually 1st and 2nd gear. it shifts automaticly from 1st to 2nd. then I shift it manually to drive.

thanks
ford kid

Shaggy · 04-22-2003, 01:34 PM

Unfortunately no the 2 is 2nd and 3rd only and d is 1st 2nd 3rd... ford claimed in inclement weather you could then start out in 2nd to promote better traction. What I had to do in an fairlane i used to have was launch in d let it shift to 2nd then to hold second i would then put the shifter into 2 and then back to d for the shift to 3rd(although with that valve body it would automaticly shift to 3rd around 95ish which with the 289 that was in that car was just a little late) . The only contrtol you have over the 1-2 shift is to adjust you vacumn modulater and make sure you downshift linkage is adjusted properly.

fordkid68 · 04-22-2003, 02:29 PM

that is veary strange. it is definitly going to take some getting use to. once I have it in the car.

well thanks for all your help guys. I would still be confused with out the time you spent on helping me.

thanks
ford kid

1tuff66 · 04-23-2003, 08:42 AM

I have a 289 out of a 64 fairlane, and you can find the number right behind the starter. You will have to unbolt the starter but the cast number should be there. Good luck.

Dark Knight · 04-26-2003, 05:32 PM

just so you know... the 260's and early 289's have a 5 bolt bellhousing instead of the 6 bolt like the later cars.. so you might have problems if you ever decide to swap tranny's...

fordkid68 · 04-26-2003, 08:04 PM

yea I'm aware of that. at first some guy told me only the 260's hade the 5 bolt bellhousing. then later I found out that some of the 289's did to. it keeps going back and forth. but I am preaty sure it is A 260.

thanks
ford kid

Dark Knight · 04-27-2003, 05:32 AM

BTW, the 260 bore is 3.80..
if you have the heads off, you can also measure the intake valve..
the 260 has a 1.67 intake valve, the 289 has a 1.78 valve..

fordkid68 · 04-27-2003, 01:14 PM

what tool would i use to measure the intake valve.

thanks
ford kid

04-10-2003, 09:15 PM	#1
fordkid68 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: fremont Posts: 306	what do I have hello me again- now forgive me for this not being A mustang question but I am sure someone here will know. ok I went and picked up an engine today. but am not sure of what it is. one person was saying it was A 289 and came from A 64 ranchero. the other person said it was A 260 and came form A 64 fairlane wagon. so I figured I would look up the serial number but can't find it. does any one know where it is located on the block. thanks ford kid

04-20-2003, 04:09 PM	#5
gofastmercury Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: calgary alberta canada Posts: 366	If its under 4 inches for sure, then its a 260, that casting date alos sounds really early for a 289, Best bet is get those calipers and get a real number, just guessing till then. __________________ 93LXcopcarSOLD14.3@96 @ 4500ft 2.02 60ft on street tires. my 67 ranchero NOT A 390 ANY MORE! 460! 3.70's cast manifolds, comp cams 262H, performer, 750DP 100K out of 79 F250 NEW(oct20/02)14.58@95mph 2.3 60 ft corrects to:13.86@100 66 merc comet351w, isky roller 600 lift 268/260@.050, vic jr. 700DP, 5000stall, 4.56's c-4, 3400lbs with driver 12.3@110 @ 4000ft 1.69 60 ft corrects to:11.69@115

04-21-2003, 06:55 PM	#8
zach0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Hampton, Virginia Posts: 227	Most auto stores carry them realatively cheap. I got mine from autozone for under 15.00. __________________ 1980 RX7 with 289 Ford V-8 bored .030 over, Very radical cam, Torker 2 high rise intake, Holley 650 Carb, MSD Nascar 6ALN ignition, MSD coil and distributor, Headers with dual open side exhaust. Over 300 horse. 1966 Mustang still in progress

04-21-2003, 07:34 PM	#10
Shaggy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: Houston,TX Posts: 466	Rev go to tool club on harwin they have them there cheap. Well you probaly have figured out by now you a a 64 block by the numbers. Now as far as production numbers go it is more then likely a 260 but that is a guess based on production numbers not actually looking at it. I have some possibly really bad news for you though that motor will not bolt up to your 68 tranny. They changed bellhousing from a 5 bolt to a 6 bolt in 65 and the old 5 bolt parts get a little harder to find everyyear not to mention i know of no one who makes any really strong auto transmissions or an SFI bellhousing if you wanted to go with a standard for the 5 bolt blocks. __________________ A good plan, violently executed now, is better than a perfect plan next week. George S. Patton, General (1885-1945)

04-22-2003, 07:32 AM	#12
Shaggy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: Houston,TX Posts: 466	The tranny is more than likely a 24 spline C-4 with the green dot vavle body. At least that was the most common back then. To my knowledge there is no ford 2 speed for passenger cars. What makes you think it is a 2 speed if it is the shift detents then that would just confirm the green dot valve body. I hate that valve body but I have met a few people that liked it(the shift pattern for it is PRND2 there is no provision to manually put it in and hold 1st gear). Last but not least the driveshaft is not anything special it is just a driveshaft annd any of the yolks from any of the small block trannys but a C-6 will fit it and overall length is the same as a 68 small block and C-4 combo. __________________ A good plan, violently executed now, is better than a perfect plan next week. George S. Patton, General (1885-1945)

04-11-2003, 08:34 AM	#2
thunderbolt Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 380	Can't help on the numbers, but if you pull a cylinder head you can check the engine bore, but use a caliper. 289 is a 4.0 inch bore. 260 is smaller but I can't remember by how much. Does the motor still have the original intake? I am not an expert, but don't recall the 289's before 65 coming in 2 bbl configuration, nor a 260 coming in 4 bbl but I could easily be wrong about that.

04-11-2003, 09:31 AM	#3
fordkid68 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: fremont Posts: 306	well it appears to have A high rise manifold on it.not completly sure but it looks higher then what I am use to seeing. and it is A 2bbl. well I was planing on pulling the heads of to see what kind of shape it is in side any ways so I will try to get A hold of A caliper. thanks ford kid

04-19-2003, 06:57 PM	#4
fordkid68 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: fremont Posts: 306	hello- well after going back and forth alot. and reading alot.I still do not know what I have.I could not find A caliper. but just cuz I was board I used A tap measure(dont laugh) and it was just under 4 inches. but I know it might not be acurate. any ways. I finally found the engine code on the block. but several people have told me different things. so here is the code. what do you guys think. C40E-60158 again this is off of the block. not the car. every book I have read keeps saying find the number on the car. but I dont have the car. thanks ford kid

04-20-2003, 07:16 PM	#6
fordkid68 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: fremont Posts: 306	yea your right I should just go and buy A caliper. where can you get them at. thanks ford kid

04-21-2003, 05:52 PM	#7
red Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Millburn, NJ Posts: 310	Good calipers are expensive >$200, check out http://www.penntoolco.com I think Sears sells a plastic caliper that is good enough for rough measurements (to the tenth of an inch, not the thousanths).

04-22-2003, 01:01 AM	#11
fordkid68 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: fremont Posts: 306	well I dont got 200$ for A caliper. but I think one that messures to the tenth of an inch should do fine for now. actually A transmision came with it. so I am set on that. but would it hook up to A regular drive shaft. I am not going to put it in any thing later then 66. the only thing is the trans looks like A 2 speed automatic. at first I thought it was 3 speed but now I dont think so. but I have never heard of A ford 2 speed trans. did they make one. thanks ford kid

04-22-2003, 01:07 PM	#13
fordkid68 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: fremont Posts: 306	so what your saying is that the 2 is actually 1st and 2nd gear. it shifts automaticly from 1st to 2nd. then I shift it manually to drive. thanks ford kid

04-22-2003, 01:34 PM	#14
Shaggy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: Houston,TX Posts: 466	Unfortunately no the 2 is 2nd and 3rd only and d is 1st 2nd 3rd... ford claimed in inclement weather you could then start out in 2nd to promote better traction. What I had to do in an fairlane i used to have was launch in d let it shift to 2nd then to hold second i would then put the shifter into 2 and then back to d for the shift to 3rd(although with that valve body it would automaticly shift to 3rd around 95ish which with the 289 that was in that car was just a little late) . The only contrtol you have over the 1-2 shift is to adjust you vacumn modulater and make sure you downshift linkage is adjusted properly. __________________ A good plan, violently executed now, is better than a perfect plan next week. George S. Patton, General (1885-1945)

04-22-2003, 02:29 PM	#15
fordkid68 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: fremont Posts: 306	that is veary strange. it is definitly going to take some getting use to. once I have it in the car. well thanks for all your help guys. I would still be confused with out the time you spent on helping me. thanks ford kid

04-23-2003, 08:42 AM	#16
1tuff66 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Wausau, WI Posts: 11	I have a 289 out of a 64 fairlane, and you can find the number right behind the starter. You will have to unbolt the starter but the cast number should be there. Good luck. __________________ "Isabelle" 1966 Mustang 2+2 289 ci, 4 - speed

04-26-2003, 05:32 PM	#17
Dark Knight Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Az Posts: 854	just so you know... the 260's and early 289's have a 5 bolt bellhousing instead of the 6 bolt like the later cars.. so you might have problems if you ever decide to swap tranny's... __________________ 84 convt,roller 302,AFR's, performer 3.55's, underdrives BBK shorties stock cam, 1.7's 13.58@102.84 and a '68 stang .. project 8 sec street car... 557 big block + N20 :-) http://members.cox.net/darkknight302/68nwrear.jpg

04-26-2003, 08:04 PM	#18
fordkid68 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: fremont Posts: 306	yea I'm aware of that. at first some guy told me only the 260's hade the 5 bolt bellhousing. then later I found out that some of the 289's did to. it keeps going back and forth. but I am preaty sure it is A 260. thanks ford kid

04-27-2003, 05:32 AM	#19
Dark Knight Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Az Posts: 854	BTW, the 260 bore is 3.80.. if you have the heads off, you can also measure the intake valve.. the 260 has a 1.67 intake valve, the 289 has a 1.78 valve.. __________________ 84 convt,roller 302,AFR's, performer 3.55's, underdrives BBK shorties stock cam, 1.7's 13.58@102.84 and a '68 stang .. project 8 sec street car... 557 big block + N20 :-) http://members.cox.net/darkknight302/68nwrear.jpg

04-27-2003, 01:14 PM	#20
fordkid68 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: fremont Posts: 306	what tool would i use to measure the intake valve. thanks ford kid