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00'GT vs. 01'Camaro SS
I have a 00'GT and last sat. I raced a 01'Camaro SS. We pulled up to the stop sign and he revved his engine. I rolled down my window and said, "lets do this!" We both took off and I pulled a 1/2 a car length ripping thru 1st and 2nd (thanks to my 3.73:1 gears)but as soon as I shifted to 3rd it was all over. He pulled about a car length ahead of me. We tried it again at the next two stop signs and it was the same result. I wasn't too disappointed considering all I have are gears, a K&N, underdrive pulleys and Flowmaster(3 chamber)exhaust. My Question is: How can I improve my 3rd gear power?
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Also, I know Saleen just came out with a new computer for your car. The powerflash. It's like $200 and from what I have heard and read, really boosts power....like 20 rwhp. Good Luck ------------------ Dustin 89 GT(Saleen Clone) 392 rwhp UNTUNED(TFS Intake, spacer,Heads and #2 cam, BD-11A 9#(only boosting 6???WTF),1.6 rr's,BBK 70mm TB,FMS 70mm MAF,MSD 6BTM,FMS 9mm wires,BBK longtubes and H-Pipe,American Thunder cat back,3.55 lots more... 12.564@118.49 on street tires is my best so far. Still untuned |
Stock 99+ heads flow pretty darn good, I think the intake manifold and throttle body are the main culprits. Go to gefracing.com, they have BUllit Intakes for 349 dollars with the throttle body, they supposedly flow 50 percent better, but i have yet to see any flow numbers, plus its alunimum.
Long tube headers like from BBK will help top end out, that and a off-road H-Pipe, or hiflow cats should be a little extra kick. ------------------ 64 1/2 "D" code Red Mustang Coupe. 289, C4, 3:1 rear gear. Mallory duel point. Ported & Polished 65 heads shaved .01 with 351 windsor valves, 11:1 comp, 1.7:1 sled rockers, blue wolverine lumpy cam, modified autolite 4100 Hipo 4 barrel. GT Apperance pkg. Period white wall tires. And to many others to list 2000 Perf Red Mustang GT. 5spd. BBK Underdrive pulleys, Flotech off-road H pipe. Hurst T-Handle 64 1/2 red 6cyl coupe. Auto. project car. Mods, Rust, rust, and more rust |
Heads, headers, cam and intake all will drastically increase your mid-high end power. I'm damn impressed that you were able to do so well against the '01 ss being so stock.
------------------ '90 LX 5.0; 12K original miles (no sh*&); 3.55 gears; pulleys;Edelbrock Performer Heads; BBK shorties; MSD 6AL box w/ blaster 2 coil; Motorsport E303 cam; Pro-M 75mm MAF; BBK 70mm TB; Eibach spring kit; Southside welded subs; K&N cone filter charger; Hurst shifter; fiberglass turbo hood; A/C-less; rear seat-less; cat-less; 2 chamber Flos; Corbeau racing seats (fronts); 30# injectors; JMS Chip; 190 lb fp; TFS track heat Intake (12.299 @ 113) |
Hey thanks for your help guys. Considering my budget i will look into an off-road H-pipe and the BULLIT intake. Hopefully this will let me live up to my license plate cover:Eatin up Chevys and Sh...... out hondas. See ya on the road.
------------------ 00'GT,(S281 clone),3 chamber flows,K&N filter,BBK underdrive pulleys & 3.73 gears. No time slip as of yet(est.13.7-13.9) |
Same result when I tried. They simply have more HP and the 6 speed realy helps them.
------------------ http://members.mustangworks.com/liza...rdKing_sig.gif 13.66 @ 100.3MPH, Stock (except for K&N Filter) • Quartermile run |
the one ss ls1 i raced was from a second gear roll on and we were dead even up to 105mph, when the next red light came real fast, so we shut down. he was real pissed, he cut across 3 lanes to turn at that light and wouldn't even look over at me http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif so i guess my sig, should get you there? good luck!
------------------ 96 stang,ported 99 heads, 99 intake, 99 cams,Steeda power pullies,Kirban adj.reg.,Pro-m 87,24#inj.,70mm t/b,BBK longtube headers,Bassani x-pipe w/cats, Dynomax ultraflow catback,iat mod, home depot ram air, k@n,373's,cobra brakes,fms spings, tri-ax shifter. best et 13.80 best mph 103.3 bfg street tires,bakersfield, ca |
Those LS1's really come on in the last half of the 1/4 mile.
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Get some BBK longtubes, and an o/r h-pipe. That should compliment your 3 chambers quite well.
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Steed,
I ran against a guy (who is a really good driver) in two '00 GTs last thursday and we got similar results. Remember this though, LS1s come stock with about 280-290 rwhp...the new ones '01 and '02 have the LS6 intake and cam so (according to some dyno's out the showroom floor) that I've been seeing are 300rwhp. The GTs are doing 260 at the crank. When I ran this guy it was only cause he asked to run me. He told me he had exhaust and filter and that was it. I would never ask him to run knowing the differences but since he asked I ran. What you have to remember is this: LS1s pull HARD in 3rd gear but the M6s are HARD as hell to lauch (trust me on this one...it took some practice to get me my 2.0 60' time) so do anything that you can to get at least 1-2 cars within the first two gears. After that just make sure that when he pulls, you hit the trap before he passes you. Even if he is walking you and passes you after, who cares...you won the 1/4 mile race. This happened to me with a C5 Vette I ran...I pulled about 2.5 cars on him until middle of 3rd gear (Vettes have IRS so they don't launch good...hehe..) then he pulled on me good (I could see him coming) but he didn't pass me till about 110mph which is passed my 1/4 trap so (ahem) I won http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif Just remember get a GOOOOD jump...for some reason GTs have good as hell launch (this guy took almost a full car on me on the launch). Good Luck Mike ------------------ 1999 Z28 M6 Arctic White, MTI-Clear Lid w/K&N, B&B Triflo, BMR STB, Pro 5.0 Power Tower, 160 Powerstat, HPP3, TB Coolant bypass, Ported MAF, Taylor 409 wires(10.4 mm), NGK TR-55s, Redline Synthetic Lubricants, K&N oil filter, BEST E.T. 13.27 @ 106.39 (street tires) |
I get the same results, really no major mods, but i can drive good too, and can hook up my firehawks if needed, (not easy) and last time at the streetraces i was spanking a 01ws6 off the line every time, about middle of 3rd he's start pulling hard, i remember whatever gear he hit, think 3-4th, i hear his wheels chirp about 75-80 mph, so those Ls1's can scream thorgh topend, same thing happens at the track, i even went door to door with a 00 ss camaro that went 12.9, till about 70 mph he blew bye pretty hard.
A good pair of heads, some longtubes, and maf, TB should help me up at the top though. ------------------ 90 lx coupe: 175k miles, steeda water pump pully, hurst shifter, Mac cold air fenderwell, accel supercoil, ADS chip, aluminum D/S, Black magic fan, 3.27grs. Best time: 13.9116(on 225/60/15 firehawks) Best mph: 98.17 Best 60': 1.9607 next mods: subframes, mac h-pipe |
Really?
That's weird, I ran an SS with some minor mods. We started the race at 90mph, I pulled him hard! All the way to 170mph. My 87GT has MAD top speed. Cause it's all quality baby. That and it's crazy light. I heard there was a limited edition Japanese version of the GT that I'm pretty sure did 200mph http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/eek.gif |
Stop smoking crack unit
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I was riding in the hatch when Unit had this race. I can vouch for it man. Its cuz hes got the Type GT special edition.
Sky ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS Heads, E-303, edelbrock intake,70MM TB, 73mm MAF, off road H, headers and 3chamber flows. 12.55@107mph 50-175 Nitrous Works WET Kit just added. |
Unit cracking jokes? http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/eek.gif
Yeah man I got a special Ethopia edition 2000 GT, it can hang with Ninjas and stuff. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif ------------------ 64 1/2 "D" code Red Mustang Coupe. 289, C4, Mallory duel point. Ported & Polished 65 heads shaved .01 with 351 valves, 11:1 comp, 1.7:1 rockers, blue wolverine lumpy cam, modified 4100 Hipo 4 barrel. GT Apperance pkg. And to many others to list 2000 Perf Red Mustang GT. 5spd. BBK Underdrive pulleys, Flotech off-road H pipe. Hurst T-Handle, 40 series Flowmasters 64 1/2 red 6cyl coupe. Auto. project car. http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/contrib...uble0smile.gif |
Yeah, the only car I've been beaten by is that CrAzY CRX SiR. I couldn't believe it. Had something like 160hp!!!!!!!!! **** , I was doing 240 when he flew by.
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Unit 5302 Yeah, the only car I've been beaten by is that CrAzY CRX SiR. I couldn't believe it. Had something like 160hp!!!!!!!!! **** , I was doing 240 when he flew by. Man are you on something or is that 240kph I no for a fact that it was not 240MPH No street cars go that fast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! maybe if you are up over 1100HP and maybe not ever Your car would be air born.
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You do know he's joking....right?
------------------ Dustin Saleenized 89 GT 428 rwhp TFS Street Heat Intake TFS TW Heads |
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240kph (149mph) would be more than maxxed out for my stang, barring some nutty -20*F running http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif I'm just picking on some really wild claims with no basis in reality that have been made recently. I doubt the Fox body would go airborne on any flat surface. They do generate enough downforce to keep them on the road. As far as no car in the world being able to do 240mph, I don't know. The McLaren F1 is damn close. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif |
Hmmmmmm.... =P
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Everyone knows the twin turbo lingenfelter(don't know if I spelled that right) does 226mph. Could you guys imagine going that fast? I went 171 on my R1 and that was PLENTY FAST. But it's a little different in a car, yes I know. But still 226 or even what 236 for the Mclaren F1 is un-imaginable. I would probaly be satisfied then, passing the maxxed out hayabusa in the straight ahhhhhhhhh! =P See ya.
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For you guys not into street bikes, the bike I'm referring to is a Suzuki GSXR1300R Hayabusa top speed (around 196mph).
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I wonder what my car power rating would be if measured in Chicken, not horse power? I'm guessing 2,260 chicken power at the rear wheels, does that sound about right? http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif
------------------ 64 1/2 "D" code Red Mustang Coupe. 289, C4, Mallory duel point. Ported & Polished 65 heads shaved .01 with 351 valves, 11:1 comp, 1.7:1 rockers, blue wolverine lumpy cam, modified 4100 Hipo 4 barrel. GT Apperance pkg. And to many others to list 2000 Perf Red Mustang GT. 5spd. BBK Underdrive pulleys, Flotech off-road H pipe. Hurst T-Handle, 40 series Flowmasters 64 1/2 red 6cyl coupe. Auto. project car. http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/contrib...uble0smile.gif |
I like that kind of thinking Mercury..
If I go by Chicken power, I don't exactly know what kind of hp I'd have at the wheels but it should be insane especially with my special hot wing sauce additive that's like nitrous.. 226mph here i come.. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/wink.gif ------------------ formerly 96cobra89lx306 (96Cobra/softtop-3.73,almdrvsht,fancontrl,steeda sbfrmes+shifter,eibachspgs,KYB's,FR-upper arms,Saleen copy-polished 18's,pulleys,Bassani X pipe(gutted),C&L 80mm Cobra DYNO 301rwhp horsepower before gutting the X pipe 93 Ford Probe Gt(slower but turns) |
That was pretty good there 96 Snake. I found that Texas pete is like a 500 chicken power extra, while Hooters Buffalo WIng sauce is like 1000 Chicken power kick.
Thats what the ricers need to start doing, rating there car in Chicken power or Squirrel power. That way there numbers are actually higher than ours. Man that would really blow there minds. Sorry if my posts have no relation to the subject at hand. The last few days I'm having trouble taking anything serouisly. |
After the that guy with the CRX that goes 180, 240 in mustang sounds about right. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif
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I have read about a 90 lx that was going for 220 at the salt lake I dont know if it made it but it had gone 211 before. It was in a 5.0. It was up over 800hp http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif that would be fun. Hey my car in 5th at 6000rpm 302MPH but it stops at about 2100rpms on my car http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/frown.gif
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umm, that 90 lx was mine lol j/k yea right, anyway unit, are you reffering to me about the "wild claim", i have no reason to lie, if i was gonna lie, i would go ahead and say i beat the SS, but of course a 5.0 stock as mine wont hang.
And all jokes aside, i saw an r1 get beat bye a 99 t/a, the t/a ran 11.3 on 125 shot, and extensive mods, yes...yes! i know the r1 is faster than that, but he got a bad run, and i know about 10 other guys that wittnessed this at the track, the t/a also threw a belt off on that run. But regardless that bike was frickin fast! he also ran a low 11, which was a bad run for him, i believe they are 10 second bikes right? ------------------ 90 lx coupe: 175k miles, steeda water pump pully, hurst shifter, Mac cold air fenderwell, accel supercoil, ADS chip, aluminum D/S, Black magic fan, 3.27grs. Best time: 13.9116(on 225/60/15 firehawks) Best mph: 98.17 Best 60': 1.9607 next mods: subframes, mac h-pipe |
Here you go guys! thought is would help the cause. www.ConvertfromHP2ChknP.com
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If I must, I was referring to the claim a stock CRX can pull 135mph, and a CRX SiR will do 160. |
If I must, I was referring to the claim a stock CRX can pull 135mph, and a CRX SiR will do 160. [/B][/QUOTE] Hey yeah me again "Unit" I see that you still do not believe but thats ok i am not here to argue. I dont understand how you act so educated but yet doubt the facts. Motortrend says the crx Si will go 125mph my crx is modded so why is it unreasonable for mine to go 135+mph. I cant even see how the hell you try to make fun of a "crx Si-R". CRX Si-R Gear ratio 1st-3.550 2nd-2.054 3rd-1.374 4th-1.045 5th-.840 Final-4.325 160hp on a 2100 lb car with a 8200 rpm red line. Yeah I bet its not fast http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/rolleyes.gif I dont even like imports but no your facts a stock "CRX Si-R" will dust a stock 5.0 and "most" 4.6L stockers. My CRX isnt "stock" After market computer, Header, port and polished head, 2 1/2 inch exhaust,DC motorsports cold air intake and a jacobs electronics ignition system. My CRX doesnt have 1/4 mile speed but can do 135+mph 10mph more than the stock Si at 125mph. I will grant you that a "CRX Si-R" is an exotic model of the CRX and a CRX Si is way slower than a type R. The "CRX Si-R" is a true sports car and was fast as hell for its time. A stock Type-R CRX pulled 13's in the 1/4 and had mad top end with its high reving engine. Its just too bad that the car was not offered in the U.S. dont believe me look it up. ------------------ 88 mustang gt convertible bored to 306 BBk equal length headers mac cold air fender kit cowl hood nitto drag radials ford racing clutch flow masters h-pipe 160* thermostat 16 degrees of timing electric fan off 94' t-bird jacobs electronics cap and wires. best 60 ft 2.14, best 1/8th 9.65, best 1/4 15.2 @89mph |
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I dont understand how you act so educated but yet doubt the facts. Motortrend says the crx Si will go 125mph my crx is modded so why is it unreasonable for mine to go 135+mph. I cant even see how the hell you try to make fun of a "crx Si-R". CRX Si-R Gear ratio 1st-3.550 2nd-2.054 3rd-1.374 4th-1.045 5th-.840 Final-4.325 160hp on a 2100 lb car with a 8200 rpm red line. Yeah I bet its not fast http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/rolleyes.gif I dont even like imports but no your facts a stock "CRX Si-R" will dust a stock 5.0 and "most" 4.6L stockers. My CRX isnt "stock" After market computer, Header, port and polished head, 2 1/2 inch exhaust,DC motorsports cold air intake and a jacobs electronics ignition system. My CRX doesnt have 1/4 mile speed but can do 135+mph 10mph more than the stock Si at 125mph. I will grant you that a "CRX Si-R" is an exotic model of the CRX and a CRX Si is way slower than a type R. The "CRX Si-R" is a true sports car and was fast as hell for its time. A stock Type-R CRX pulled 13's in the 1/4 and had mad top end with its high reving engine. Its just too bad that the car was not offered in the U.S. dont believe me look it up. [/B][/QUOTE] You my friend, do not have any idea about the kind of forces you are talking about. You are so overwhelmed by the ricer idea of power to weight ratio that you cannot possibly fathom why some cars are fast and some are not. What the hell are you talking gearing for? Okay, let's play that game. Stock 87 Mustang GT http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/rolleyes.gif Let's just skip the first 4. 5th .68:1 rear 2.73:1 redline 5900rpm Theoretical top speed ba bing!!!! 242mph whoo hooo, Mustang's are like blazing fast!! 160hp isn't gonna get that CRX to 140, let alone 160. The CRX doesn't have a killer drag coefficient, which is what gets you top speed. When you get passed top end by a 5000lb 1978 Lincoln Town Car, maybe you'll figure that out. It's all about HP, where your max HP is, where your gearing puts your car at maximum hp in the best high speed gear, and your coefficient of drag. Notice, there is no reference to weight in there. You can take your 2100lbs and chuck it out the window. The Shelby 427 Cobra had 485hp, it weighed no more than your sorry *** CRX, yet it topped out at 160mph. Where's your pathetic super CRX vs a 427 Cobra??? I'll tell you where, not even the tinniest, tiniest little speck in the rear view mirror. The Honda Civic Del Sol had 160hp, yet it could manage only 130mph. The Mustang has a SIGNIFICANTLY superior power to weight ratio than your little CRX, and it EQUALS the CRX SiR (even if the little SiR maintains the 2100lb curb weight). STOCK 87GT. The stock fox can pull out about 135mph in summertime. My little Escort as that you referred to had a Mazda built 1.8L DOHC 16v I-4 with MPFI Vane Airflow, dual length primary runners on the intake, and it made 127hp@6500rpm, with a redline of 7000rpm, and a fuel cutoff of 7400rpm. It weighed in about 2450lbs and it would kick the snot outta any stock CRX. 4 wheel disc brakes, 4 wheel IRS, close ratio 5spd and it topped out, I mean totally, completely, utterly maxxed at 114mph. It was jumpy as hell at that speed, felt more unstable than my stang at 150. Bottom line, if I added another 30hp to that car it would have cranked out maybe 125. Weight means nothing when it comes to top speed, and I'd be more than willing to wager my near stock 87GT would annihilate the CRX SiR. You find one, or even put another 30hp onto your little CRX. I'll run you, $500. Not a prob. Where would you like to race? 0-60? 1/4mile, standing mile?, top speed? You pick. It won't matter. |
Yeah R1's are kinda hard to drag race. They want to lift the front wheel real bad. It's fun on the street though. My first run ever was like a 10.9 on my 2000 R1, I got it down to 10.2 at 136mph
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http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif OH please man I would never race a stang in my crx. My car does not have 1/4 mile speed nor can it out do a stang on the top end. I would definiately bet you that I can peg out the speedo though. I am not saying my CRX is "fast". Hell I really dont even like argueing with you people over the top speed of my CRX. I thought surely you would see that "Honda" and various other publications rate the Stock CRX Si at 125mph. You would have a hell of a time findig a CRX Si R to race. Since they were only relesead in Japan. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif There are CRX's runing 11's in the 1/4 all motor that are street legal. but let me guess they are probably running an 11.1 @90mph right http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/rolleyes.gif My CRX is by no means a race car and right now it is weighed down with 300 lbs of stereo stuff and I weigh 210 lbs so any kind of respectable 1/4 mile speed is not possible If you will go back and look at the thread I "never" said a CRX Si R can go 160mph I said it would not surprise me if it could go 145-160mph. How can you compare a cobra with a low reving big block built for 1/4 mile *** kicken. To a honda I would hope that noone would try to race a cobra in a stock honda anything. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/eek.gif You must be confusing me ith a ricer if you think I would take on a stang in my CRX. I bought the car for my girlfriend. The only thing I enjoy about the car is the stereo system. It is too small. Lacks low end power And anything front wheel drive is annoying to me. I guess we will have to agree to disagree my friend cause my car pegs out at 130 and I think it has a little bit left after that. ------------------ 88 mustang gt convertible bored to 306 BBk equal length headers mac cold air fender kit cowl hood nitto drag radials ford racing clutch flow masters h-pipe 160* thermostat 16 degrees of timing electric fan off 94' t-bird jacobs electronics cap and wires. best 60 ft 2.14, best 1/8th 9.65, best 1/4 15.2 @89mph |
I have to chime in here...I have buried my speedo(125) in my CRX with bolt ons with my puny 1.5 liter DX motor. I don't know how fast I was going but I am sure that it was at least 130. If my sub 100hp engine was able to get my car to that speed, I am sure a 125hp or a 160hp engine can do it as well.
------------------ 90 Honda CRX aka Project Mongoose Estimated Completion: ON STANDBY 84 Toyota Supra: Japanese 6mge installed within two weeks..... High flow cat, two chamber flowmaster, custom 2.5" piping, msd 8.5mm wires. Will have boost before 2002. Have HKS turbo manifold for it:D..... |
Speedo's are inaccurate.
The Porsche 911 Turbo's speedo reads up to and beyond 30mph fast on top end. Under 100hp? 130 is a joke. |
Look, i feel like i started this somehow, i made unit think he was talking to me, then he got into this flame with the crx guy.
I bet the crx could do 120 or beyond, i have no idea, i dont know about ricers, but i know unit is usually pretty wise at these car subjects (my opinion) no problems here. Yea 1bad89, i seen those guys strugglin to keep that front wheel down on those bikes, looks like a thrill, but not for me http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif ------------------ 90 lx coupe: 175k miles, steeda water pump pully, hurst shifter, Mac cold air fenderwell, accel supercoil, ADS chip, aluminum D/S, Black magic fan, 3.27grs. Best time: 13.9116(on 225/60/15 firehawks) Best mph: 98.17 Best 60': 1.9607 next mods: subframes, mac h-pipe |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Unit 5302:
Speedo's are inaccurate. The Porsche 911 Turbo's speedo reads up to and beyond 30mph fast on top end. Under 100hp? 130 is a joke.[/QUOTE ____________________________________________ No my friend the joke is on you. 1st. Honda rates the damn thing at 125mph. 2nd. Motortrend rated it at 125mph. 3rd. Ive been there done that. 4th. Do me a favor find some guy in your area with a stock or slightly modded Si and go for a top speed run and then get get back to me. 5th. There is no better experience, or no better way to obtain knowledge than hands on http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/wink.gif 6th. I totaly agree that generaly I find you to be very smart guy when it comes to cars. And I dont blame you for doubting the top end of the CRX Si. 7th. When I bought the car the guy told me that it would do 130mph and I thought yeah right. To my surprise the car has 130mph speed. My speedo is not off. "DONT KNOCK IT TILL YOU TRY IT" http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif ------------------ 88 mustang gt convertible bored to 306 BBk equal length headers mac cold air fender kit cowl hood nitto drag radials ford racing clutch flow masters h-pipe 160* thermostat 16 degrees of timing electric fan off 94' t-bird jacobs electronics cap and wires. best 60 ft 2.14, best 1/8th 9.65, best 1/4 15.2 @89mph |
Just to let you know...
Your stock speedometer is fairly accurate up to around 100 Mph. After that any speedo that can't be calibrated is not very accurate. It could be off by as much as 5 - 10 MPH. This is especially true if you are running aftermarket rims / tires or are using an aftermarket Ring & Pinion set like 3.55, 3.73, 4.10's etc. Even if you get the correct speedo gear for your new ring and pinion set, your stock speedo may still be off, based on your rim or tire combo. This is true for all types of cars, not just Mustangs. For accurate readings in "race applications" the stock speedometer (and all the other stock gauges) are virtually useless. You'll need to upgrade to VDO (or another brand) of gauges that allow you to calibrate them. For example, you can calibrate a VDO race speedo by simply pressing a button, driving one mile, then pressing it again, the speedo will compensate for rear end gear ratios, speedo gearing, windup, etc. You must also calibrate a speedo often to compensate for many factors to insure accurate readings (in racing). The stock gauges are fine for street applications and general driving, but for road racing / drag applications and to ensure accurate measurements, I recommend you upgrade your stock gauges. Just to note, 99% off all folks out there will be fine with the stock gauges, we are talking about sponsored race applications (or folks that want accurate readings) only. ------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, Cobra Transmission, Extrude Ported and Polished Upper and ported Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Holley AFPR, March Underdrive Pulleys, Perma-Cool Fan, 3-Core Radiator, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 73mm Vortech MAF, 70mm TB, FlowMaster Exhaust w/BBK Offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, AC del, rear seat del. [This message has been edited by Smokedawg (edited 06-14-2001).] |
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I totaly agree with you. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif I do have aftermarket rims and tires I went from 13 to 15 inch rims and low pro tires they are the same height as the originals. Although I dont think that my speedo is very far off cause I raced a Nissan 240sx from a stand still all the way till my car ran out of power. He said he was at about 126mph and I was steady leaving him behind. You do make a valid point though http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif ------------------ 88 mustang gt convertible bored to 306 BBk equal length headers mac cold air fender kit cowl hood nitto drag radials ford racing clutch flow masters h-pipe 160* thermostat 16 degrees of timing electric fan off 94' t-bird jacobs electronics cap and wires. best 60 ft 2.14, best 1/8th 9.65, best 1/4 15.2 @89mph |
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------------------ 90 Honda CRX aka Project Mongoose Estimated Completion: ON STANDBY 84 Toyota Supra: Japanese 6mge installed within two weeks..... High flow cat, two chamber flowmaster, custom 2.5" piping, msd 8.5mm wires. Will have boost before 2002. Have HKS turbo manifold for it:D..... |
Top speed is definitely dependent upon horsepower. Horsepower is torque x rpm.
Top speed occurs when the force propelling the car equals the drag and frictional forces acting on the car. The force propelling the car is proportional to how much torque the engine is putting out. Multiply your torque by your engine rpm and once again that is horsepower. As for a Civic DX doing 130mph in less than 30sec from a standstill, that is a joke. I'd bet it takes my '00GT almost that long to hit 130. I would be willing to bet that a stock DX would be hard pressed to hit 100mph in less than 20sec, so how is it supposed to hit 130 in 10sec after that? I don't know if you've ever read any acceleration test results when they keep going past the 1/4 mile, but things slow down alot. Down forget that the wind resistance increases as the square of the speed. |
Well, hp = (torque x rpm / 5250)
Top speed is absolutely dependant on hp. I ran an late 80's early 90's CRX Si with my 77 Mustang II. The stang didn't have a muffler at the time, and according to the speedo, completely maxxed out at 117mph. I was still pulling on the CRX pretty bad up there too. Anyway, about hitting 130 in 30sec, lol, an SN95 5.0 can't even pull that off. Not even close. Those cars will top out around 140ish, 137 as tested by Car and Driver in late 1993. Would you say a little CRX DX is probably compareable to a base Volkswagen New Beetle? The new Beetle took 28.0 sec to hit 90, and it has an estimated top speed of 113mph. The MX-5 Miata with 140hp struggled to a 23.2sec 100mph run. By the way, 0-130mph took 44.7sec in a 1994 Mustang GT as tested in the "Mustang vs Camaro The First Test" by Car and Driver December 1993. In case you'd like to blame them for shitty driving they got the stone stock 1994 Mustang GT to pull a 0-60 of 6.1sec and a 1/4 mile of 14.9@93mph. Basically, they drove the **** out of it. The Camaro was a similar story, pulling a 5.4 and 14.1@101. The LT-1 powered Camaro was nearly 20sec better to 130 than the GT, at 26.2sec. Still, I hardly think ANY stock CRX will hold it's own against an LT-1 top end (156mph). |
HAHAHAH I think its funny how every one thinks is so hard for a 4-banger to hit 120+.
Do the calculations all you want, come to Colorado ill give you a ride in my beater and we'll hit 120 on the speedo and pass it. no prob...it may take a minute or 5 but we'll get there, and no its not down hill hahahah ------------------ 93 Honda Civic EX SOHC V-TEC, Ram Air, Auto. Tranny overheats, has a hole in exhaust pipe for that added thrust. No fart cans or 500psi super turbo's. would gladly crash into a brick wall for a Stang, any takers? |
LMAO - I think unit and blue gt are on the $$$ on this topic. There is no way in HELL that a Civic's going 130 in under 30 seconds (I'd believe unit's stang could do 240 before I believe that)....unless it's the Civic SI. Even then, I think it'd have to be going down hill on a 45+ degree slope w/ a mean tail wind http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif I've questioned a few of my hardcore ricer buddies and even they agree.
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Hmm, I'll have to dig out my old aerospace engineering text book to look up the formulas for calculating drag. Top speed and horsepower are most definitely related.
The 427 Cobra was NOT designed for 1/4 mile runs. It was a road racing car that defeated Ferarris. Speedometers are indeed inaccurate. They're off by a percentage, too, which means that the faster you go, the more they're off. They're sometimes off in a favorable direction, though, meaning that you may see 130 but are going 135. Unit, the orange line on your tach is the overdrive gear red line. I think it's 4900 rpm. That's a 220mph top end. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif Steeda had one of their Mustangs approaching 200 on the track. The body panels started peeling away. |
The 2000 Honda Civic SE Coupe has a top speed of 127mph. Honda CR-V SE tops out at 104mph. The Toyota Camry Solara SLE is faster 129mph.
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You mean the little yellow one? LOL. Guess that's something I never pay any attention to. It'll keep on revving past that, so who cares. In fact, let's take the top speed right up to 6250rpm, the fuel cutoff, so I can actually go 256!!
Yep, that's the McLaren F1 in my rear view mirror. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif All the people claiming serious top end here are yappin about what their speedo says, and what their buddy's speedo says. Now, this is what I'm saying. Your speedo's are wrong. Even worn tires can affect your speedo readings about 100mph. Say you have a stock 225/60 R15 on a Mustang. Go to a 245/50 R15 and you'll read 5mph fast at 130. Now say that 245 is a little worn, you read 7 fast. Plus your speedo was off by 2mph at 60. Now you're reading 11mph fast. Get the trend? At this point, you're going 119 when it says 130. There are quite a few 4 bangers that will do 120, but if they aren't putting out better than 140hp, they best be super streamlined. If they aren't putting out over 120, they aren't getting anywhere near that speed. I always love it when people say, throw the physics out the window!! I can prove math and science are wrong. Yeah... Okay, next you'll be telling me people can fly thru the air cause you're wearing really high quality shoes. |
This might be of some help in the CRX debate.
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7247/title.jpg Here's a link to the site of a guy that has a top speed record for the 1600cc class, 239,3km/h with a CRX. http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7247/index.html He made very few power train changes, but he did improve the cars aerodynamics. http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7247/motorltr.jpg |
So what I'm seeing is a very lightly performance modded, and some aerodynamic modded, Civic CRX SiR hit 148 for the land speed record.
That would put the stocker probably in the 130-135ish territory for average performance IMHO. According to his charts, he's making around 170hp at the flywheel by the way. Keep in mind, that's the SiR. Not the Si, or the DX. [This message has been edited by Unit 5302 (edited 06-16-2001).] |
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