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2000GT Convert can it hang with me??
Hey everyone...My girlfriend's dad is getting a new 2000 or 2001 GT convert with 5 speed. Now he hasn't even got the car but is already talking about wiping the floor with me. I know the 99 and up are a little quicker then the past few years but I haven't had the oppurtunity to run one yet. So what is the outcome going to be between us. I expect to win but figure it will be a decent race. Hope to get my new King Cobra clutch in before the race so I don't miss any gears.
------------------ 88GT 5-speed Bolt ons:Ram Air, K&N, PS91 coil, Accel Cap/Rotor, 190lph Fuel pump, Pro 5.0, March Pullies, DynoMax Cat-back, 16" Ponies, 3.73 gears. "Nip it in the Bud" My Mustang Homepage |
My opinion is that your pulleys and exhaust mean it's gonna be a pretty good race. I don't think either one of you is gonna "wipe the floor" with the other one. Let us know what happens. My bet is it'll be close.
Rev ------------------ '66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph 1/4 mi. |
And the 3.73's, very important.
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With the mods you have, it will probably come down to driving. You may be able to edge the vert since you have a weight advantage.
When I race near stock 5.0s with my '00, 1st gear can be pretty close, with me starting to pull noticeably at the top of second and thereafter. ------------------ 2000GT Atlantic Blue: Cobra R Wheels-17x9 255/40/17, 17x10.5 315/35/17, tubular K-member & control arms, Tokico 5-ways, coil overs, sway bars, strut/shock tower bars, 70mm FMS throttle body, Saleen nose. 79 Pace Car: Maximum Motorsports suspension - H&R Race springs, Bilsteins, rear control arms, chassis bracing, Draglites, 302 w/ Edelbrock Performer intake, cam and 600cfm carb, BBK equal-lengths & H-pipe, 2.5" Flowmaster 2chmbr exhaust, Al Driveshaft, 8.8 trak-loc, TCI C4 w/ 2000 stall, B&M |
The question is can he drive? My friend has a fox with the exact same mods as your car. He hit a 14.6 on a very slick track, I ran a new vert 5spd and only beat him by a hundredth of a second w a 14.41 to his 14.42. He had one mph better than me though. So he was a good 2 tenths quicker than my friends fox. Keep in mind that this is a very slick track. But if your friends dad cant drive or hasnt got used to his new stang yet then you migh win. Good luck and let us know.
------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, 355's K&N, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors |
I think it'll be a good race. Race him soon after he gets the car and he won't have figured it out yet.....get an intake/MAF/throttle body and then there might be some floor wiping.....BTW, whats with the 19lph fuel pump? I assume you old one died?
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Yeah my old fuel pump was whining pretty loud so I decided to upgrade now instead of later on the fuel pump. The 190 lph stands for 190 liters per hour.
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i say you can pull a car maybe two on him off the line, that is if you dont have a lot of wheel spin, but at high speeds hes probably gonna get you
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What gear ratio do the 2000GT come with?? They don't still come with 2.73 gears do they??
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3.27 are the gears...
and if that guy can drive the car to its potential he will be a 14.3-14.4... Should be a fun race! |
I don't know, guys. I drove a 2001 GT vert with auto, and it was a dog. Granted it had leather and auto and all the options, and my friend (the salesman is a bud of mine) and my woman with me, but still, it was pretty bad.
And while a a well driven five speed should be much more capable, a hard top 88 GT with gears pullies and ignition should hand it it's *** , in my opinion. Course, until they race, that's all we can offer, is opinions and speculationg, so GO RACE HIM!! ------------------ 95 GT Pulleys, headers, off road, 3.55's, Tremec 3550, Cobra Clutch 14.4's @ 96mph before exhaust Beats auto LS1's after Visit my homepage |
Well, if we are talking horse power the 200GT comes with 260 while the 5.0 with 220.
The 5.0 with all the MOD might just have an extra 30HP so the 2000gt is still ahead by 30hp. "BLUE00GT" I thinks with all the MODS in your car you should be able to smoke any "stock" 5.0 .......................................... 99GT…rear sway bar (adjustable), rear lower control arm, traction bars, tokiko struts illumina 5 position, tokiko shocks, strut tower brace, caster camber plates, racing lower springs, 3:73, underdrive pulleys, micheling "pilot" XGT-ZA. NOW I WILL ADD POWER. |
Rocket - Looks like our mods are pretty similar; now I plan to add the power too.
Basically, my launch is hurting a little with the really stiff suspension, but once I make traction it's definitely no problem to take a stock 5.0 ------------------ 2000GT Atlantic Blue: Cobra R Wheels-17x9 255/40/17, 17x10.5 315/35/17, tubular K-member & control arms, Tokico 5-ways, coil overs, sway bars, strut/shock tower bars, 70mm FMS throttle body, Saleen nose. 79 Pace Car: Maximum Motorsports suspension - H&R Race springs, Bilsteins, rear control arms, chassis bracing, Draglites, 302 w/ Edelbrock Performer intake, cam and 600cfm carb, BBK equal-lengths & H-pipe, 2.5" Flowmaster 2chmbr exhaust, Al Driveshaft, 8.8 trak-loc, TCI C4 w/ 2000 stall, B&M |
It seems to me that both cars have very similar power to weight ratios. So, in this case the gears on your car should give you the win, provided you can hook...
------------------ 2000 GT Conv. 5speed Triple Black Current Mods: K&N, Mobile 1, MagnaPack Cat-Back, Steeda Tri-Ax, GW Subframes, 3.73's. ET: 14.26@98.9 (K&N, Mobile1, Tri-ax) |
I would have to give a little edge to myself too since I have the gears. I found out he is also getting leather sets which might make it a little heavier. He is also getting a 2001 instead of a 2000 but no difference there so. I know he'll be getting it within the next month so it might be awhile b4 I get to race him. Maybe I can add an electric fan or get my heads ported by then to assure a victory http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif
------------------ 88GT 5-speed Bolt ons:Ram Air, K&N, PS91 coil, Accel Cap/Rotor, 190lph Fuel pump, Pro 5.0, March Pullies, DynoMax Cat-back, 16" Ponies, 3.73 gears. "Nip it in the Bud" My Mustang Homepage |
"BLUE00GT", I also noticed that you and I have about the same MODS, I agree with you that the drive is a bit stiff but I kind of like it that way. I am planning on doing some x-pipes and CAT systems next (what about you?).
I have to convince the wife that this is going to be good for the car and that the car is not going to go any faster. I would like to install a supercharger, I can get it for $4225 installed but you know that you can also put twin turbos in the GT'S. They go for about $6300 installation not included. .............................................99GT… rear sway bar (adjustable), rear lower control arm, traction bars, tokiko struts illumina 5 position, tokiko shocks, strut tower brace, caster camber plates, racing lower springs, 3:73, underdrive pulleys, Michelin “pilot XGT-Z4. NOW I WILL ADD POWER. |
Rocket99GT - My next mods will be 3.73s, CAI, BBK long tubes and crossover with cats.
I saw a 99GT at Sears Point with the above mods plus a catback and throttle body with handling suspension run a low 13 (13.3 or .4 I think). Too bad we don't live near each other, it would be nice to take a madman drive on a twisty road with you. I raced my friend with the Integra Type R the other day on some tight backroads for about 20 miles (25mph corners - not too much room to use my acceleration edge), and he hung pretty good but I was able to gain a few cars on him through some of the corners. He even has Eibach racing coilovers too. Now I just want some import drivers to talk sh*t about how a Mustang can't handle so I can show them my *ss on a backroad. |
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If you can drive pretty good, you'll beat him. The 3:73's will do the trick. =P
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I can drive well but don't have no time slips yet to back it up. I do need to get the new clutch in though. I have to strong pedal my clutch too much now to get her in gear.
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Rocket99GT, your math is a little off.
The '88 with the extra 30hp puts it at 255hp,just 5hp behind the 260hp of the 2000GT. You said the 2000 would still be 30hp ahead even with the mods of the '88(How do you figure that?) BTW, '88 stangs were rated at 225hp not 220 Torque is what actually moves a car, not HP. HP is a byproduct torque which only dictates max speed. With that in mind, the '88 will have more TORQUE plus better torque multiplication with the 3:73's The '88 should win but then again you must factor in the skill of the drivers. All in all it should prove to be a good race! ------------------ '82 GT 351W C-4,BBK headers,Carter 625 carb,Comp.Cam,Flowmaster exhaust. 1988 GT...T-5,bone stock |
My bet goes on the 01GT ... the only reason It would loose is the weight factor on the rag top.
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Lizard King, you seem almost positive about the 2000GT winning......why?
The post says "2000GT can it hang with me?" Can it hang with him...yes, Will it win...I doubt it. (drivers being the same skill level) ------------------ '82 GT 351W C-4,BBK headers,Carter 625 carb,Comp.Cam,Flowmaster exhaust. 1988 GT...T-5,bone stock |
Maybe we should start taking bids!! Then I could have my girlfriend tape us as proof of the winner?? Of course I don't think this board is up for gambling but I bet we would have about the same number of bids on each car. I guess I'm going to have to make sure he races me and if he won't see if he'll let someone else drive it for him.
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"BLUE00GT" I think with does mods your car will be able to kick some butts. My car is like yours, I like to go around tight corners at high speed. I have seem people looking and I can see them wondering how can the car do that.
"82GT" you right man, my math was way Off. Nevertheless I was being very nice with 88GT by giving him 30HP. You are right that torque is what moves a car and horse power helps in this equation, however you can have the best torque and 5000hp but if the suspension can handle both of this all you will get is tires spinning and a car going all over the place. Just like "LIZARD KING" my bet goes on the 01GT. Let's make it interesting and see how many people here vote for the the 88GT vs 01GT. |
Rocket99GT, 30hp seems about right for exhaust and pulleys. They claim 8-10hp just for pulleys and I would imagine that you get at least another 20 or so hp with a Flowmaster exhaust of 2.5 inches.
My vote is still for the '88GT ------------------ '82 GT 351W C-4,BBK headers,Carter 625 carb,Comp.Cam,Flowmaster exhaust. 1988 GT...T-5,bone stock |
I just noticed another thing. The 01GT is a convertable wich makes it even heavier.
Oh HELL YEAH for the '88GT ------------------ '82 GT 351W C-4,BBK headers,Carter 625 carb,Comp.Cam,Flowmaster exhaust. 1988 GT...T-5,bone stock |
82GT, with my 2000GT I have raced many (at least 30 runs) 5.0 in that year range with more mods than his 88GT. The results where always the same... win on my end. Thinking that the mods on the 88GT are light, I believe that if both drivers are equally competent, the 01GT Vert will win by a small margin.
In fact I have raced a car in the same year range, that seems to have most of your mods including that 351... and it was a door to door race. What are your E.T.s? oh and Mad Horse, what are your E.T.s at the track? Any votes Rev and Fox Body? ------------------ Lizard King, Bone Stock; 13.69 at 101MPH • Extreme Burnout •2000GT VS LS1 • Quartermile run •2000GT vs LX Stang |
it's gonna look like this...
http://www.hondahookup.com/videos/ye...ustang_5.0.zip Mustang GT Vert wins by a small margin... |
Ha! That's what i thought.
You guys keep grilling the King, then he throws a video in your face proving that once again he's right; Then the threads end. L.M.F.A.O! Btw, the '01 will win. |
Lizard King, I never got a chance to take it to the track yet. I have raced an '89GT with some mods(cam,exhaust,pulleys,GT-40 intake) and won by a small margin. He claimed to run mid 13's with slicks.
------------------ '82 GT 351W C-4,BBK headers,Carter 625 carb,Comp.Cam,Flowmaster exhaust. 1988 GT...T-5,bone stock |
I haven't got to the track yet. I was going to go to Norwalk for Fun Ford weekend last summer but the guy repainting my car ran into some problems and didn't get my car back together in time.
------------------ 88GT 5-speed Mods: Cervinis Ram air hood 3.73 gears, King Cobra clutch, Pro 5.0, March alum. Pullies, DynoMax Cat-back, K&N, 9mm plug wires, PS91 coil, Accel Cap/Rotor, 190lph Fuel pump, 16" Ponies. "Nip it in the Bud" My Webpage |
Hey 82GT... when I raced that Stang with 351, I was sure had my skin before I started... that thing was so loud and jumpy. It looked like the pavement was gonna ruffle behind it's wheel on the launch.
You guys have to get some E.T.s. I think 88GT is gonna hit mid 14s... have you ever raced a stock SN95? If yes how was it? |
Okay, my turn.
First of all, like many others have already stated, this is gonna be a close race (both 5 speed manuals). However, I'm gonna have to put my bet on the 88 GT b/c: 1) Lighter 2) 5 speed manual (if it were AOD, it'd be different) 3) 3.73s 4) Other minor mods. This is all assuming EQUAL driving skill. Now I have to say I COULD imagine it like this: Both come off the line at the same time, but the 88 GT gains about 1/2 car length through 1rst and 2nd gear. Then at about mid 3rd gear, 2001 GT starts reeling him in and by 88 GT's 4rth gear, 2001 GT has him by a front bumper. I'm still placing my bet on the 88 GT though. (but it's hard to ******* tell b/c I haven't seen Mad Horse's GT run. (arrgh) Don't screw up Mad Horse http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif ------------------------------- '79 Mustang Coup 4" Cowl Weld wheels (15x6;15x8) Stock 5.8L C4 w/ shift kit 1 5/8" MAC shorty headers Holley 750 CFM Edelbrock Performer RPM intake 2.5" Off road H-pipe, 2-chamber Flowmasters 8.8" Rear end w/ 3.55 gears (Now that's more like it!!) http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif Front: 225/60/15 Rear: 255/60/15 Eagle GT II 14 x 4” K&N air filter (getting the Xtreme setup soon) http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/cool.gif "Red, thou art my companion. Hasten now your quickened metamorphosis to Green that I may conquer all who dare abide there beside me. May they be left thither behind burnt black." ---Fox Body |
Fox Body: I don't plan on screwing up... besides he is going to be my father-in-law and I need to let him know who's Boss.
Lizard King: I have ran 3 different SN95's and beat them all on the street and not all of them were stock. One guy I had to beat 3 times in a row because he couldn't believe I was winning. My car is no slouch and is in great shape. It has 60k miles on it which is a good amount but still low for an 88GT. It's too bad she's never been to the track. On a side note I had a run in with a modded 99GT last summer but it was raining and while he took off with his nice traction control I let off after spinning through 3 gears. ------------------ 88GT 5-speed Mods: Cervinis Ram air hood 3.73 gears, King Cobra clutch, Pro 5.0, March alum. Pullies, DynoMax Cat-back, K&N, 9mm plug wires, PS91 coil, Accel Cap/Rotor, 190lph Fuel pump, 16" Ponies. "Nip it in the Bud" My Webpage |
Lizard King, come on..."88GT's from the factory ran mid-high 14's. Are you trying to say with the mods of the '88GT that has not made much of a difference????
That might be true if he has not figured out how to launch his car yet butI am sure he has it all figured out by now. The 01GT is going to have to launch without traction control on if he wants a chance at this race. I am thinking he(01GT)will make the mistake of turning the T/C on and blowing the start or turn it off and get too excited and spin the tires excessively. 88GT will have to have a cool head at the start and get a good launch. I will race the winner in my '82 then. ------------------ '82 GT 351W C-4,BBK headers,Carter 625 carb,Comp.Cam,Flowmaster exhaust. 1988 GT...T-5,bone stock |
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first of all the 2001 mustangs seem to be a bit quicker than the 2000s from my experience
i have a 1995 gt convertible automatic and i have ran a few 2000s 2001s and some older 5.0s in my opinion the 5.0 with those mods should beat the convertble by an inch maybe becuase of the 3.73 gears and that only. But it all depends on the drivers. 95 gt convert.-mods- 3.55 gears cobra intake 65mm throttle body fender cold air underdrive pulleys 75mm mass air 1 5/8" equal headers 2 1/2" off road h pipe 2 1/2" borla catback 155 lph fuel pump subframes |
I don't see how the 2001 would be any faster than the 2000. That is unless they changed something in the 2001 that I did not hear of. From what I know they are the same engines.
He still hasn't got the car yet so I imagine I'll have to wait till about the end of May before I get the oppurtunity to run him. Fox Body: I'm not sure if he'd let me marry his daughter if I outrun his new stang. Maybe I'll have to throw the race or something. Maybe I'll accidentally miss 2nd or 3rd gear. Ahh, what am I talking about... I think I'll take the chance and go all out. ------------------ 88GT 5-speed Mods: Cervinis Ram air hood 3.73 gears, King Cobra clutch, Pro 5.0, March alum. Pullies, DynoMax Cat-back, K&N, 9mm plug wires, PS91 coil, Accel Cap/Rotor, 190lph Fuel pump, 16" Ponies. "Nip it in the Bud" My Webpage [This message has been edited by Mad Horse (edited 04-09-2001).] |
I think mad horse will pull it off those speed density LX's run pretty strong. I saw a auto hard top go 15.2 the other night at the track and motor trend got a 14.6 out of a convt. I would say you should be a 14.0-14.2 car if you are a good driver I say that you should take the win. Also he probably won't be to familiar with the car only complicating thangs for him.
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The 88 is gonna stomp the vert. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/wink.gif
1 car by the end of 1st, 2.5 by second, 3.5 by the end of 3rd. An 88 5spd hardtop should rip off a 14.4 off the showroom floor with a solid driver. The new 4.6L will never catch that SD Fox. Not until upwards of 130mph anyway. I can't believe this is even a question? http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/redface.gif Hahaha, the 88 has the '01 by 400, nearly the same hp, more torque for the 88 (with the mods) significantly better torque multiplication. I'm not seeing where the '01 has a chance?? http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/confused.gif Damn this new 4.6L ego **** . I'll put $10 on the 88 for sure. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif |
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What??? 14.4 off the showroom??? 3.5 cars by the of 3rd??? WOOOOO Charly. Please..., come on. Do you think this 88 stang is running low 13s? I can certify that the 2000GT Convertable will run 14.2-14.3 off the showroom floor. 4.6L EGO??? You just tooooo funny! Also Andus 2001 and 2000 are identical power... It's the same car with more appearance. ------------------ Lizard King, Bone Stock; 13.69 at 101MPH • Extreme Burnout •2000GT VS LS1 • Quartermile run •2000GT vs LX Stang |
I'm with unit on the 5L winning, but not as optomistic as he. One of you '4.6 ego' guys needs to bet against him now.......
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Just talked to a guy driving a Integra tonight... he said and witnesses confirmed that he killed to Mustangs 89GT with his 15 second car???
I'd like to put money, but I won't... 1. I'm not driving the 2000GT and I don't about the driver's skills. 2. I will not be there to witness this race. 3. I think it will be to close to call... ------------------ Lizard King, Bone Stock; 13.69 at 101MPH • Extreme Burnout •2000GT VS LS1 • Quartermile run •2000GT vs LX Stang |
That is great??? I don't see what an Integra beating 2 89GT has to do with an 88GT racing a 2001GT. Another important fact is that the 89GT is Mass air and a stock 87 or 88 Speed Density 5.0 will beat any 89-93 Mass Air Stang in "stock form". Were the 89GT's stock or modded?? I'm not exactly modded myself but I'm not stock either.
Either way we won't know the outcome till he gets the car and hopefully agrees to race me. If he doesn't want to run his new Stang I guess I'll have to find someone with one that will run me so we can settle this once and for all. ------------------ 88GT 5-speed Mods: Cervinis Ram air hood 3.73 gears, King Cobra clutch, Pro 5.0, March alum. Pullies, DynoMax Cat-back, K&N, 9mm plug wires, PS91 coil, Accel Cap/Rotor, 190lph Fuel pump, 16" Ponies. "Nip it in the Bud" My Webpage |
If he doens't race you?
Does anyone on this board not or know anyone WHO OWNS A MUSTANG AND DOESN'T RACE IT??? |
2001 GT wins by a nose.
.........................................99GT…rear sway bar (adjustable), rear lower control arm, traction bars, tokiko struts illumina 5 position, tokiko shocks, strut tower brace, caster camber plates, racing lower springs, 3:73, underdrive pulleys, Michelin “pilot XGT-Z4. NOW I WILL ADD POWER. |
Folks, this is what drag racing is all about! This is GREAT!!! Now let's get some more opinions on this and then GO RACE!!! BTW, when is the race scheduled?
Ok, here is my best guess... The trusty old 5.0L, and here is why: 1) Ligther 2) Speed density (always a tad faster than MAF) 3) A few mods (most notably the 3.73's) 4) Appears to be in good condition and low miles 5) The vert. is heavier than a regular 2000 GT 6) I betting that Mad Horse can drive his Stang like he stole it! http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif Good luck, Mad Horse! E ------------------ 1991 5.0 LX Coupe - 38,000 miles 13.17 @ 106.14 mph w/ 2.138 60' [This message has been edited by 302 LX Eric (edited 04-11-2001).] |
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