2003 Cobra = Slow?
 

:confused: What's up with this?

http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread...hreadid=114814

bad track and a even worst driver....simple as that.

Something had to have been wrong with the car. There is no way that car (even with a bad track and bad driver) should run that ET at that trap speed

Horrible driver
 

Was just looking at my...magazine ( don't remeber which it was ), but they tested the new Blown Cobra. I'm not sure what kind of tires they were running, if they were the stock tires or what. They managed a 12.6 with a 2.0 60' time. I'm not really sure what mph they ran at, but that guy must have been doing something horribly wrong, or the guy on the other board is really lying. Oh well.

2700 ft altittude. and an average driver....at sealevel that would have been about a 13.5.....which is probably what the average driver will run in the new cobra IMO.

Its not like I havent seen supercharged 4.6 L at the track. I believe there are 2 of them that race at the same track I do. They usually run 12.9-13.1 @ 2800ft.

This guy couldnt drive worth a damn and the track sucked.

I have seen LS1's run high 14's and I have seen LS1's run high 12's the driver makes all the difference.

Wish I would have been there so I could have been the 1st guy on my block to kill a new cobra.:cool:

Later,

I'm sorry, but if you don't race, then 7 passes aren't enough to get it figured out. Sounds like the guy was a rookie, and the LS1 guys are going to get blown out when somebody who can drag takes one down the 1/4.:D

I agree/ With the supposed power the 03' Cobra has it should trap way over 104. Stock on a horrible run (missed 3rd) I still trapped 106. At sealevel it would have been around 107 and with the weight and other factors I can see the 03 going that fast. but with low 13's not mid 13's

If he was running 2.345+ 60 foots and hitting the rev limiter before the shifts, then that says enough to me. Terrible driver.

Altitude/track/drivers all contributed to poor time slips probably. As noted in that thread, the LS1 SS ran only a 14.0 as did the Syclone.

Sounds like nobody did worth a squat to me, for what these cars should do. Wonder what the temp was at the track also?

Rev

Bad driver, car screwedup, bad track etc.

Who cares.

I wanna see the 12sec ones.

Skyler

Those Times are about Right for that altitude. Usually S/C cars and Turbo cars are not as affected by the alt. as N/A cars are. I would say there is a good chance that the driver was a big factor but just how big remains to be seen;)

Altitude
 

Isn't there a web site that converts ets/trap speeds according to altitude (and other atmospheric conditions). I'm sure I've seen it, just can't remember when or where.

Rev

Not making excuses, but ........
 

LACR Sucks!

I had been there several times and also went to Pomona before it closed when my mustang had the same level of mods. I have the timeslips from both places. This is not a science lesson here, just thought I would share my experience with LACR.

LACR best time:
60' - 2.222
1/4 - 14.996
mph - 94.385

Pomona only run:
60' - 2.291
1/4 - 14.508
mph - 98.64

I'm not saying that this holds true for everyone, but I noticed a huge difference between these two tracks. And not to mention, Pomona is not that great either! I would like to see someone else's times that has gone to say Carlsbad and LACR with the same mods, tires, etc. just to compare. For those who aren't from California, Carlsbad is probably the closest to sea level out of all the dragstrips in southern california. I've never run my car there but I am curious to see what mine will do there!

Later,

Adam

MM&FF got 110 mph out of theirs and Car & Driver got a 12.9@109 out of theirs.
Those times seem really fishy to me, I think it was a 2001 Cobra and the guy doesn't know his ***** from a hole in the ground.
Up north here at Mission Raceway park (24ft above sea level) I've seen 3 different bone stock 2001's run low and mid 13's (13.2-13.7) @ 102 to 105mph. Can't wait to see what the 03's will run here.

I agree I can't wait to run one. But both MM&FF and Car & Driver tested ford test mules with race seats and other mods done. because at the time thats all ford had to offer them. I know Car and Driver made mention of it in their article and they both tested the same car. So did Automoblie who managed a 13.2@107 at a sealevel track in La. So till I see one run in person I will believe the one's people are seeing at the track over the magazine cars. But with the power and weight I would think 12.9's - 13.1's from the dealer in the hands of a great driver.

All LS1 guys? You must be talking about stock or near stock LS1 guys.

do you think that if any of us could get our hands on the new cobra it would stay stock very long.. and for any ls1 guy to base there thoughts of the new cobra on one guy at the track is just plain stupid that would be like seeing one guy in a viper run a 13 and say that oh they have the power that everyone says they do so there all push overs . I DONT THINK SO
the new cobra was dynoed with 370 to the wheels oh thats right the ls1 guys are going to say but its supercharged but wait a min arent the ls1s 5.7 liters copmared to the mustangs 5.0 or 4.6 you dont see us crying because they have bigger motors no we find ways to make up for it. modded ls1 vs modded 03 cobra thats what I want to see....

I could build my 240z to be faster than your modded LS1s. There comes a point when you can't claim you're fast because of what
you started with.

If I beefed up my rear end, put on a 280 head, twin turbos, 680cfm holley and 4:11, I could say, "I beat you with a 30 year old straight six." But obviously that isn't why I would win. It would be because I did a bunch of stuff and started making more hp than you in a lighter car with steep gears.

Take a new SS and a new Cobra. Cobra wins with comparable
drivers. That was what Ford was going for and accomplished. When you start saying, well I can beat you because I'm modded it turns into a pissing contest.

If you want to modify, so can the Ford guys. I think thats why we are all here. These questions you pose sound like you been eating too much Uncle Bens.

With 370hp at the wheels in stock trim, the '03 Cobra is no joke. Ford had to restrict the **** out of the intake and exhaust to comply with driveby sound limits for street cars, so there is a lot more potential there than one might think. I think MM&FF said they gained like 13 rwhp just by ripping out the intake silencer and air filter...

Tell them Mike!
 

I wouldn't compare the Cobra to the LS1's off just one driver either. I was at a sealevel track a week ago and saw a 03 run against a few LS1's. The only LS1 to beat the Cobra was a modded Z-06 with ET streets. Put some slicks, or even just equal tires on the Cobra and it will smoke the Z-06! That's just what I saw though, why do you think the LS1 guys just talk, I didn't see too many opening thier mouth like this at the track. I wonder why, lol. Later, Keith.

03 cobra
 

friends 03 cobra has a few more miles and a few more parts on .
it put 486 to the rear wheels and has ran a best of 11.93 @119 mph on street tires not et streets. if any 1 was a fun ford in dallas it was the black 03 with the big chrome wheels

Damn, that is sick. What did your friend do to get 486 to the wheels? That is just awesome. I can only wish.

-Billy

You guys should just let this thread die. As I said a few months ago INVINCISTANG is just a troll from LS1.com...

I agree LACR sucks major big time...it is a curse.

my best run at LACR is 14.45 with the parts in my sig. I am a decent driver and i had 2.2 sixtyfoot times. my trap speed was like 96.8mph

THAT SAME DAY (about 2 months ago) there was 03 yellow cobra there. he was getting a BEST of 14.1 i kid you not! he was bone stock to the tires and wasnt burning too much on launch. you could see that he wasnt that bad a driver...but LACR is crappy. its 3000ft high and windy and dusty and the track is never sticky enough and everyone there gets times way worse than what their cars can do at a decent track.

but its the closest one to me and theres lots of cool cars there to race at least... (not counting the rice fodder)

lacr sucks balls!! It's only good for practice!! what about my friend tedge, he goes to lacr! his only mod is weld in flows. he runs 13.5's at 105-106mph in his 03 cobra there! he went to c/bad and ran a 13.2 @110mph!! many guys have put the stock cobras into the 12's! the best i've heard stock is 12.6 @111mph up in sacramento area! it's about the track conditions and driver!
I can tell you i have spent $1400 in mods and i granny shifted my way to all most 116mph trap speed! I pesonally don't feel that is slow!! I can also tell you the few ls1's i've run on the freeway was just silly!! it's only a matter of seconds before they are in the rear view mirror! I'm sure there are alot of ls1's that can beat me and it doesn't bother me! but when i see ls1's at lacr run mid 14's i don't say ls1's are SLOW! thats just dumb! take it easy!
Leon

mid 14's?
 

You've got LS1's that run mid 14's. What's wrong with them? Do you think it's the car, track, or driver? All the ones I see here in Houston at HRP run low-mid 13's stock.

Rev

Rev:: hrp is near sea level yes?? the ones that i have seen run mid 14's are at palmdale. it's 2700ft elevation, 100+deg temps., killer side/head winds, and dirt blows onto the track from the desert off to the side of the track so traction can be limited! plus the drivers are usually less than par.
Most are mid to high 13's at this track. I was just trying to make a point that judging all cobras buy this one cobra's performance is just silly:) there are several guys over on www.svtperformance.com that have the same mods as me and are running high 11's at 120+mph. a couple of guys have even cracked into the 11's on the stock tires! driver and track prep make a huge diff. in what these cars are capable of!
Leon

Yup, I agree
 

Air, track, prep all very important. I just couldn't imagine LS1's running mid 14's. 2700 ' above sea level certainly adds some time.

Rev