351c in a 86 fox body??????????

TOAST · 04-09-2001, 09:54 PM

anybody out there know any tricks or combonations to research????
Any help would help!!!!!

dinomite · 04-09-2001, 10:56 PM

Want a 351, eh? Go with a 351w (windsor), its a lot easier and cheaper to find parts for.

04-10-2001, 03:09 AM

there are several companies that offer swap kits for the 351C. Kauffman products offers a kit, hooker headers has headers for it.....can't think of anything else offhand. Good luck

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'84 Mustang 5.0 T5, FMS aluminum radiator & 180* thermostat, 1 5/8 shortys/2.5" duals, '88 GT tail lights and wheels, Holley 4160 4 BBL, smog pump idler, now with hi-po collapsed lifters in #3 or #4

MrWesson22 · 04-10-2001, 10:37 PM

I say go for the cleve.. get a good 4V motor, throw a big cam, torker intake, a big double pumper (750min - 850 preferable), and some headers, and you're at 400hp. Clevelands like lots of everything - rpm, carb, compression, cam.... they respond really well. Besides, an 86 with a 351C would be something cool that's just a little different and will draw lots of attention.

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Neal

69 stang
351C/4sp

04-11-2001, 07:11 PM

If it was going to be the same level of difficulty to put either of the 351s (W or C) in a 86 I would go with the Clevo. But I think I'm safe to say that there are quite a few more conversion kits for Windsors. Not to mention you can find Windsor parts all over. You can't say the same about Clevelands. I think Clevelands do respond to mods better, like MrWesson22 said. They are just a little harder to build. Make sure you do it right!

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'69 Coupe with 351W
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Edelbrock Performer-RPM intake manifold, Edelbrock Performer-RPM cam, Edelbrock lifters, Edelbrock 750 cfm carb, Accel coil, Moroso Blue-Max spark plug wires, Hedman headers, 2 1/2" pipe, glasspacks, Edelbrock double roller timing chain, Edelbrock valve springs, Flex fan, C4, Lakewood traction bars, 3:1 open rear-9" 3.89:1 posi coming this summer
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fastang · 04-11-2001, 07:49 PM

From what I hear, the Cleveland has a much larger timing cover that causes clearance problems in a Fox body. Look into it.

Nitrous Al · 04-11-2001, 09:27 PM

Go with the Windsor!!!

04-12-2001, 02:39 AM

I say be unique and try the cleveland. The 2 Barrel clevelands have excellent street heads that have over 2 inch valves stock, the 4 Barrel heads have ports that are about twice as large as windsor ports (i've seen it, just about messed myself). You can basically use the stock heads for a mean street machine without modifying them, rather than windsor heads where they are a bottleneck in the system without modification or replacement. The 4 barrel head cleveland would absolutely scream in your car, and the 2 barrel would also. Depending on the year head you get, you may want to mill the heads to get a higher compression ratio. I've heard the 2 barrel head clevelands make a better street machine head because they aren't as radical and have more lowend response because of slightly smaller ports and valves (i may be wrong on the valves). Those clevelands are heavy breathing engines, so with matching parts, your car would be insane. Well whatever you decide, good luck.

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'84 Mustang 5.0 T5, FMS aluminum radiator & 180* thermostat, 1 5/8 shortys/2.5" duals, '88 GT tail lights and wheels, Holley 4160 4 BBL, smog pump idler, now with hi-po collapsed lifters in #3 or #4

04-12-2001, 02:41 AM

on the post above i meant 2 inch intake valves, not sure on the exhaust, but they're big also.

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'84 Mustang 5.0 T5, FMS aluminum radiator & 180* thermostat, 1 5/8 shortys/2.5" duals, '88 GT tail lights and wheels, Holley 4160 4 BBL, smog pump idler, now with hi-po collapsed lifters in #3 or #4

MrWesson22 · 04-14-2001, 08:56 PM

Just to follow up a little, I'm not sure about the valve size on 2V heads, but on 4V heads it's 2.19 intake, 1.71 exhaust. You can sneeze on a 4V motor and get 400hp out of it without touching the heads (stock 10.6:1 CR or close depending on year). If you want to know more about clevelands, go to www.mustangsandmore.com and post in the ford racing forum. There are a ton of classic guys that know a lot about the motors. I can also give you the AIM screen name of someone that put a 351C in an 86 if you want. The swap is NOT a problem.

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Neal

69 stang
351C/4sp

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04-09-2001, 10:56 PM	#2
dinomite The Dude Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 1,262	Want a 351, eh? Go with a 351w (windsor), its a lot easier and cheaper to find parts for.

04-10-2001, 03:09 AM	#3
84stangLX Guest Posts: n/a	there are several companies that offer swap kits for the 351C. Kauffman products offers a kit, hooker headers has headers for it.....can't think of anything else offhand. Good luck ------------------ '84 Mustang 5.0 T5, FMS aluminum radiator & 180* thermostat, 1 5/8 shortys/2.5" duals, '88 GT tail lights and wheels, Holley 4160 4 BBL, smog pump idler, now with hi-po collapsed lifters in #3 or #4

04-10-2001, 10:37 PM	#4
MrWesson22 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Dacula, GA Posts: 73	I say go for the cleve.. get a good 4V motor, throw a big cam, torker intake, a big double pumper (750min - 850 preferable), and some headers, and you're at 400hp. Clevelands like lots of everything - rpm, carb, compression, cam.... they respond really well. Besides, an 86 with a 351C would be something cool that's just a little different and will draw lots of attention. ------------------ Neal 69 stang 351C/4sp

04-11-2001, 07:11 PM	#5
BennyBoy Guest Posts: n/a	If it was going to be the same level of difficulty to put either of the 351s (W or C) in a 86 I would go with the Clevo. But I think I'm safe to say that there are quite a few more conversion kits for Windsors. Not to mention you can find Windsor parts all over. You can't say the same about Clevelands. I think Clevelands do respond to mods better, like MrWesson22 said. They are just a little harder to build. Make sure you do it right! ------------------ '69 Coupe with 351W ========================= Edelbrock Performer-RPM intake manifold, Edelbrock Performer-RPM cam, Edelbrock lifters, Edelbrock 750 cfm carb, Accel coil, Moroso Blue-Max spark plug wires, Hedman headers, 2 1/2" pipe, glasspacks, Edelbrock double roller timing chain, Edelbrock valve springs, Flex fan, C4, Lakewood traction bars, 3:1 open rear-9" 3.89:1 posi coming this summer =========================

04-11-2001, 07:49 PM	#6
fastang Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: santa ana ca Posts: 1,349	From what I hear, the Cleveland has a much larger timing cover that causes clearance problems in a Fox body. Look into it.

04-11-2001, 09:27 PM	#7
Nitrous Al Registered Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Everett, MA Posts: 417	Go with the Windsor!!!

04-12-2001, 02:39 AM	#8
84stangLX Guest Posts: n/a	I say be unique and try the cleveland. The 2 Barrel clevelands have excellent street heads that have over 2 inch valves stock, the 4 Barrel heads have ports that are about twice as large as windsor ports (i've seen it, just about messed myself). You can basically use the stock heads for a mean street machine without modifying them, rather than windsor heads where they are a bottleneck in the system without modification or replacement. The 4 barrel head cleveland would absolutely scream in your car, and the 2 barrel would also. Depending on the year head you get, you may want to mill the heads to get a higher compression ratio. I've heard the 2 barrel head clevelands make a better street machine head because they aren't as radical and have more lowend response because of slightly smaller ports and valves (i may be wrong on the valves). Those clevelands are heavy breathing engines, so with matching parts, your car would be insane. Well whatever you decide, good luck. ------------------ '84 Mustang 5.0 T5, FMS aluminum radiator & 180* thermostat, 1 5/8 shortys/2.5" duals, '88 GT tail lights and wheels, Holley 4160 4 BBL, smog pump idler, now with hi-po collapsed lifters in #3 or #4

04-12-2001, 02:41 AM	#9
84stangLX Guest Posts: n/a	on the post above i meant 2 inch intake valves, not sure on the exhaust, but they're big also. ------------------ '84 Mustang 5.0 T5, FMS aluminum radiator & 180* thermostat, 1 5/8 shortys/2.5" duals, '88 GT tail lights and wheels, Holley 4160 4 BBL, smog pump idler, now with hi-po collapsed lifters in #3 or #4

04-14-2001, 08:56 PM	#10
MrWesson22 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Dacula, GA Posts: 73	Just to follow up a little, I'm not sure about the valve size on 2V heads, but on 4V heads it's 2.19 intake, 1.71 exhaust. You can sneeze on a 4V motor and get 400hp out of it without touching the heads (stock 10.6:1 CR or close depending on year). If you want to know more about clevelands, go to www.mustangsandmore.com and post in the ford racing forum. There are a ton of classic guys that know a lot about the motors. I can also give you the AIM screen name of someone that put a 351C in an 86 if you want. The swap is NOT a problem. ------------------ Neal 69 stang 351C/4sp