another one lost to the dark side
 

I have a firend who had a 98 ranger for the last 4 years. he had some little stuff done to it, it wasnt real fast or anythign but it sounded nice and looked good. about 9 months ago his older brother just bought a new lancer evo. After talking **** about how fast it was i told him to bring it up to the drag strip and we'd see how fast it really was. He gave one excuse after another and the track closed for the season. Now my friend sells his truck for way less than he should have so he can buy a new mazda sport protege. He sold his beutiful ranger for this slow 4 banger because he's had this obsession with turbos since his brother bought the evo. Now i just feel bad for him. I make sure to rev at him whenever possible so he can remember what a real car sounds like.

You said they were lost to the dark side, so where's the Grand National in this thread?

i dont consider that the dark side...i was refering to ricers, the horrible sounding 4 bangers with turbos.

That Evo might be a horrible sounding turbo 4cyl, but it would probably beat your car....

The Evo would kill his car. It wouldnt even be close.

Lancer Evo's are bad @ss. If they were not 30K I would buy one.

i dont know, i think i have a resonable chance for 2 reasons. 1) the evo driver has never been to the track and is not much of a driver. and 2) i have other stuff for my stang than is in my profile, i just havnt updated it in a little while.

Evo's should have a starting line advantage through traction, but after that you should be able to hand him his arse pretty good.

The Evo's trap an easy 104-106mph and can pull a 1.6 on street tires.

I was skeptical too until I saw them run at the track.

They are no joke I would rather race an 03 cobra any day.

I hope your unlisted mod is an intake manifold.

drag radials, cam and heads...thats should help some.

It will help some but not enough IMO.

Prove me wrong:D

Am I missing something from his signature?
94 Cobra, with a ported Cobra intake, TFS heads and an E cam. That should easily trap 106+...

Lancers Suck.
Anyone who drives a lancer is at the least bisexual.:p

and the only thing an Evo shares with a Lancer is basically the doors.....

an Evo will run about a 12.9 - 13.0 bone stock, but will see good gains with minimal mods.

A 94 cobra is heavy, and if he still has the cobra ecu forget about it.

The Evo runs 12's with anyone that can drive worth a crap.

As soon as the light goes green he will be looking at Evo tail lights and at that point he does not have a good enough HP to weight ratio to pull on an Evo. Especially if he has done a couple mods.

JMO, If he proves me wrong I will apologize.

My 01 cobra got waxed and I mean waxed by an Evo from a roll and especially from a stop.

The evo's have my respect.

A local guy was going 13.90's stock@97. He has rescently went 11.80's@123. Granted, I am going to bust him one this year:D

mazda sport protege - These things have turbos? I did not think they did at all

91GTturbo - "You said they were lost to the dark side, so where's the Grand National in this thread?" I like that:cool:

well the evo im talking about is bone stock, and has a driver that from what ive seen cant drive worth a crap. I think i have a chance, and even if i dont im not about to back down from rice even if i know i will lose.
as far as the protege goes im pretty sure it has a turbo, i mean it sure sounded and looked like a turbo.

Bagh, go race him and kick his ***!!:D

Found this on Mazda - "The original 2003 MAZDASPEED Protegé took performance and style to new levels, with a powerful 170-hp turbocharged engine, a dynamic sport-tuned suspension and aggressive, highly distinct styling.

The new 2003.5 MAZDASPEED Protegé ups the ante with new styling cues, such as a racing-inspired front air dam, a large, lightweight rear wing and four new eye-catching colors."

Guess it does, but it would need a lot more to keep up with the SHO or my GTP:cool: :D

The M.S. Protege's main strength is handling. If I remember correctly, it out handles the highly respected Intergra Type R's of a few years back. The turbo and intercooler on the car are much too small to make any real power, and Mazda did nothing to beef up the engine, so its not going to handle a lot of boost like other turbo cars. But as far as total package goes, the MazdaSpeed Protege is one of the best sport compact bargins out there.
As far as goign to the dark side... it could be a lot worse. The Evo is a downright bad *** vehicle, no matter what brand it is. And the M.S.P. is a very complete package for the price.

i agree, the evo is pretty tough, and the msp isnt all that fast and it could be alot worse...however i still feel bad when someone who was once a huge ford guy who put tons of time into his truck turns to rice.

I agree, lol.

look in your rear-view mirror;)

The Buick Grand National has been referred to as "The Dark Side" for quite some time. I've owned one since 1990 and it's been called that since then.

I jumped in here thinking you had a GN story too....

Heh, be careful with that statement. Many times it's difficult to distinguish a 12 second GN to a 10 second one. My '89 TTA (LC2 engine as well) embarrassed many a ground thumping, loud Mustangs new and old, and with only 3 mods (chip, downpipe, no cat).

I grew up in the late 80's-early 90's with the GN vs. Mustang rivalry at it's peak, what a riot. Stock for stock they were pretty much even, however when it came to speed mods the GN was way ahead and still is in my opinion. I believe the LC2 modification advantage still holds true today dollar for dollar. For under $1,000 my car can go from factory stock low 14's to mid 12's. For $2k I'd be low 11's - high 10's no problem, all day long and still be a quiet as a church mouse. All throttle and no bottle....

Lift

They make for a great meal for lunch.

The only bottle I hit is a Mountain Dew, to wash all that blackness down.

Yumm

I see. Respect for one's competitor is a positive, especially in light of the obvious truth. Overconfidence can be detrimental to one's ego.

I guarantee this, take the same modification $ you put into your Mustang and put it into my GN then check the outcome. It's all about power to weight ratio and it's cheaper to get that on an LC2. ;)

Be careful around some of these, they look so much alike and some hardly look threatening:
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Not bad 50mph - 100mph

Dude, you have nothing to prove to me. I go to the track all the time, all cars are fast, your not getting special treatment here.

Power to weight-

go to IamAricer.com and rant over there.


"I guarantee this, take the same modification $ you put into your Mustang and put it into my GN then check the outcome"

You checkin out my taillights

Oh dont forget im not running a "power adder" and im running Sunoco "94" pump gas. 10.6-1 compression.

Hairdryers are for women

Sounds like you have a complex and a lot of pent up aggression. Take a chill pill....:rolleyes:

Why don't you tell this guy "hairdryers are for women"?:
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You need to take a chill.

The fastest mustangs are running hairdryers and they are far from women!! Just ruffing you up. I feel that "internet" GN people have something to prove. The track guys are much cooler.

C'mon, you've got to be kidding. I give credit where credit's due unlike yourself. Peruse my video library here where you'll see plenty of 7-9 second Turbo Buick V-6's. I'm not trying to prove a thing other than have respect for capable competition. The Mustang vs. Buick rivalry has been very active since the LC2's been in existance.

Without a doubt my particular GN is a low 14 second car, I'm not living in dreamland, though it is a rare example of an original car. All I've said is beware of the stealthy Turbo Buick that may look like a 13 second ride, it's the proverbial "wolf in sheeps clothing". Plus, there's very few Turbo Regals roaming the steets anymore. The ones that you see are somewhat, if not highly modified.

The condescending, holier-than-thou attitude isn't reflective of this community as a whole from my 15 years of experience playing with Mustangs. It's a shame to see.

PS. I'm just busting your balls so chill-out.

Honestly, i have dial-up , and it would take about 25 years for me to watch them. Maybe when i go to my brothers house?

I have utmost respect for TR's, its some of the people who drive them. Not you though;)

ahhhhh the go old days!
 

Well 91gturbo we could debate all nite about the Mustang vs
grand nationals of the late 80s early 90s , but why not take the easy way out and agree on some thing.. That is of course, JUST how slow the crapmaros where of the late 80s early 90s where!What a joke! I long for the good old days!these xs1 really get me down!But the one thing you didn't mention about the Grand naional vs Mustang is that same thing that Ford forgot today...that Mustangs where sooooo cheap there was one under every ones car port...GM messed up the GN by making them
un avalible to the average guy.Now ford is making the really fast Mustangs un avalible to me , the average guy.:(
I think that Ford needs to start over ,forget the mod motor.4v heads , ok...More bore capacity.NOT big rig stroke! as for the evo
Well when every I go to my local track , these super imports never seem to hold water when the clock is ticking! :confused:

Nice kill.

Back to the discussion
 

The Evo's are AWD...you have got to know how to launch them, or they will run 5.0-5.4 0-60 on the street. Now if you get someone who knows how to launch...4.3-4.4-4.5. that will be tough. They do fall off on top though. Usually 4.3 sec cars turn low 12's on the street (vipers, 360's, ZO6's)

His car should be well capable of 12.80's @ 107-108. It would definately be a "catch me if you can race".

And the comment about the Cobra ECU...that was ovestated. I had a Cobra ECU in my old 93 Snake. With a port job and TFS cam, exhaust, I made close to 290 rwhp. Very capable of mid 12's. They do rob SOME HP, but not as bad as Dark said. I have heard rumors of a max swap of 5-15 hp between that and the A9's. Definately switch if you can, but that is not going to kill you.

Watch it!:cool: