Bad Idea I know...

Skyman · 10-04-2001, 01:57 AM

Well I got all the switches working for my N20. So I took it out and tried it. It works great. The 80 is a NICE kick in the *** , it really hauls *** .

I realized after using it several times, I am running about 18 degree of timing with 87 octane gas. But I heard no detonation?

Skyler

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-1989 Saleen Mustang #406-
TFS TW Heads, E-303, Edelbrock intake, 70mm TB, 73mm MAF, 24lb injectors, 1 5/8 shorties, Off Road H, 3 Chamber flows, Jaz Race seats, Back seat removed, sub-frames, Roll Cage, and a 80 shot of N20.
12.54@107.4 Motor
332RWHP, 350rwtq

10-04-2001, 02:03 AM

sound's like some pretty good time & run to me , i can't wait to mod my car ,damm warranty good luck love those saleen's.

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smokedchevy · 10-04-2001, 02:05 AM

What was your total timing? What kind of distributor are you running? I have a mallory comp 9000 and adjusting the total timing is a piece of cake. I probably wouldn't run 87 octane either.

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92 GT, 4:10 gears, centerforce clutch, 6# powerdyne blower, bbk h-pipe, flowmasters

90dpscoupe · 10-04-2001, 03:45 AM

whats the comp ratio? be careful with that dude, it's cheap insurance to run 104, or with a good disributor, run 92-93 and back that timing off.

Skyman · 10-04-2001, 11:59 AM

Marty- Thanks, what year is your car? You can still do some stuff under warrenty.

I know, bad idea, but this car refuses to ever detonate. I am gonna pull the plugs just to see what they look like.

I have a stock distributors. Its easy to changea, I just bought a MSD timing control too. So I will do that for sure next time.

Skyler

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-1989 Saleen Mustang #406-
TFS TW Heads, E-303, Edelbrock intake, 70mm TB, 73mm MAF, 24lb injectors, 1 5/8 shorties, Off Road H, 3 Chamber flows, Jaz Race seats, Back seat removed, sub-frames, Roll Cage, and a 80 shot of N20.
12.54@107.4 Motor
332RWHP, 350rwtq

10-04-2001, 01:15 PM

Sounds awesome Skyler. Your car is mean w/out the juice, can't imagine it now

. I can't wait till I get N2O, I'm still kicking around the idea of 80/100/125 or 150......either way, I have another year to do my homework! When are you taking it to the track to see how much a$$ it hauls now

?

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'90 LX 5.0;12K original miles;FMS 3.55 gears; March pulleys;Edelbrock Performer Heads;BBK 1 5/8" equal length shorties;MSD 6AL ignition w/ blaster 2 coil;FMS E303 cam;Pro-M 75mm MAF;BBK 70mm TB; Eibach drag-launch spring kit;Southside weld-on subs;9" K&N cone filter charger;Hurst shifter;Cervini 3" turbo hood;A/C delete;gutted cats;2 chamber Flomasters;Corbeau racing seats;FMS 30# injectors;JMS custom chip;Holley 190lb fp;TFS track heat intake (12.299 @ 113mph w/ a 1.78 60')
....soon to be b

smokedchevy · 10-04-2001, 04:42 PM

Reading plugs is a lot harder on fuel injected engines. You need to shut the engine down at full throttle(hope your car stops!) and then pull the plugs. If it idles at all the color won't be accurate. Your engine sounds good though. I'd kill to have a car like yours!

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92 GT, 4:10 gears, centerforce clutch, 6# powerdyne blower, bbk h-pipe, flowmasters

ed1371 · 10-04-2001, 06:52 PM

Hey sky, to read your plugs, run it with N2O and then IMEDIATELY shut it down and pull every plug. It isn't hard to read them, you will easily be able to tell if you are running lean/have detonation .Dont just look at one or two. You can't hear detonation but how loud is it in that beast of yours? If you want to keep your engine, follow the reccomendations, 92 octane, back off your timing and dont hit it till 3000 rpms. One step colder plugs wouldn't hurt either.

Don't take chances with N2O...If you decide to go with a larger shot, make sure your clutch is up to it also!

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My Mustang
91 LX Conv. 52,000 orig mi. Hurst shifter,King Cobra clutch, 3.55 grs, NOS 150 kit, MSD 6al, MSD timing control, malory coil, pullies, adj fuel reg, BBK 70mm tb, Pro-m 75mm maf, battery in trunk, JBA: shorties,subs,strut tower brc, Comp eng. 6 point cage, dynomax 2 1/2" exhaust, Hotchkis lower cntrl arms, MAC cold air kit, off road h pipe. BFG 275/50/15 Drag radials

Nitrous Al · 10-04-2001, 07:48 PM

Sky, you got to run 94 octane or more. It's cheap insurance.

Skyman · 10-04-2001, 09:23 PM

Yeah, I won't do that again. Hmm, sounds like a ***** to pull the car over on the side of the road after running the nos, and pull 8 plugs on a burning hot engine.

Time to retard the timing, and run good fuel.

Skyler

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-1989 Saleen Mustang #406-
TFS TW Heads, E-303, Edelbrock intake, 70mm TB, 73mm MAF, 24lb injectors, 1 5/8 shorties, Off Road H, 3 Chamber flows, Jaz Race seats, Back seat removed, sub-frames, Roll Cage, and a 80 shot of N20.
12.54@107.4 Motor
332RWHP, 350rwtq

10-04-2001, 11:29 PM

hey skyman i have a00gt but bought it new in feb ,only have 12, 000 miles on it ,i wish icould have gotten either a svt ,or a saleen but money wouldn't allow me so i settled for the full package gt. it's ok for now.good luck, i still can't beilive your time & speed ,wicked. oh, by the way iwould appreciate any advice for mod's i am new to the newer stang's ,i alway's had the older model's - 69 & below this is my first new generation stang, i'm not real familiar with them thank's.

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[This message has been edited by mustang marty gt (edited 10-05-2001).]

69fastback · 10-04-2001, 11:39 PM

Glad to see u finally got that nitrous working right. Take that thing to the track to see what it can do. I will be at my parents house in rancho cucamunga in Jan for a couple of weeks. If there is any tracks going to be open i would love to go racing with u guys. Can't wait to get back i miss the states so much.

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69 428 cobra jet: tons of mods.
97 f-150 5.4 xlt mark III
BUCKLE UP. SUCK IT IN.
Objects in the mirror are about to disappear...
QUICKLY!!!!!!

Skyman · 10-05-2001, 02:05 PM

marty- From what I have seen on the new stangs I would go with gears, H pipe, exhaust, pulleys, and a timing adjuster.

I think Mustang92 on here has an awesome running combo. He has just a few boltons on his 99GT and its running 12.9's.

69fast- Definatly, I am always up for the track. When you get back to the states all us local guys will have to head out again.

Skyler

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-1989 Saleen Mustang #406-
TFS TW Heads, E-303, Edelbrock intake, 70mm TB, 73mm MAF, 24lb injectors, 1 5/8 shorties, Off Road H, 3 Chamber flows, Jaz Race seats, Back seat removed, sub-frames, Roll Cage, and a 80 shot of N20.
12.54@107.4 Motor
332RWHP, 350rwtq

exgmguy · 10-08-2001, 08:28 PM

Sky, I checked my plugs finally after the track. I would just pull a couple easy ones and I assumed everything was ok. But to my suprise I had 3 that no longer had tips on them.

It seems my lower intake gaskets started leaking (never retorqued the lower) and started pulling oil in from the lifter valley. Oil can make 104 act like 86 octane in a flash. I have never heard a single rattle.

Just be careful, because once you make a mistake with the hose, it is usually an expensive one.

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1988 Mustang GT
11.8 @ 123 (7/14/01)
11.5 @ 120 (9/14/01)
1992 BadAzz Wrangler
1993 Explorer

See my car at: www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?179

Skyman · 10-08-2001, 09:04 PM

I better pull all the plugs and check them, see if therse any detonation on them.

I need to do a compression check anyways.

Skyler

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-1989 Saleen Mustang #406-
TFS TW Heads, E-303, Edelbrock intake, 70mm TB, 73mm MAF, 24lb injectors, 1 5/8 shorties, Off Road H, 3 Chamber flows, Jaz Race seats, Back seat removed, sub-frames, Roll Cage, and a 80 shot of N20.
12.54@107.4 Motor
332RWHP, 350rwtq

10-04-2001, 01:57 AM	#1
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	Bad Idea I know... Well I got all the switches working for my N20. So I took it out and tried it. It works great. The 80 is a NICE kick in the * , it really hauls * . I realized after using it several times, I am running about 18 degree of timing with 87 octane gas. But I heard no detonation? Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS TW Heads, E-303, Edelbrock intake, 70mm TB, 73mm MAF, 24lb injectors, 1 5/8 shorties, Off Road H, 3 Chamber flows, Jaz Race seats, Back seat removed, sub-frames, Roll Cage, and a 80 shot of N20. 12.54@107.4 Motor *332RWHP, 350rwtq*

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10-04-2001, 02:03 AM	#2
mustang marty gt Guest Posts: n/a	sound's like some pretty good time & run to me , i can't wait to mod my car ,damm warranty good luck love those saleen's. ------------------

10-04-2001, 02:05 AM	#3
smokedchevy Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: ventura,CA Posts: 438	What was your total timing? What kind of distributor are you running? I have a mallory comp 9000 and adjusting the total timing is a piece of cake. I probably wouldn't run 87 octane either. ------------------ 92 GT, 4:10 gears, centerforce clutch, 6# powerdyne blower, bbk h-pipe, flowmasters

10-04-2001, 03:45 AM	#4
90dpscoupe Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: sanantonio, Tx, usa Posts: 1,407	whats the comp ratio? be careful with that dude, it's cheap insurance to run 104, or with a good disributor, run 92-93 and back that timing off.

10-04-2001, 11:59 AM	#5
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	Marty- Thanks, what year is your car? You can still do some stuff under warrenty. I know, bad idea, but this car refuses to ever detonate. I am gonna pull the plugs just to see what they look like. I have a stock distributors. Its easy to changea, I just bought a MSD timing control too. So I will do that for sure next time. Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS TW Heads, E-303, Edelbrock intake, 70mm TB, 73mm MAF, 24lb injectors, 1 5/8 shorties, Off Road H, 3 Chamber flows, Jaz Race seats, Back seat removed, sub-frames, Roll Cage, and a 80 shot of N20. 12.54@107.4 Motor *332RWHP, 350rwtq*

10-04-2001, 01:15 PM	#6
bada$$lx Guest Posts: n/a	Sounds awesome Skyler. Your car is mean w/out the juice, can't imagine it now . I can't wait till I get N2O, I'm still kicking around the idea of 80/100/125 or 150......either way, I have another year to do my homework! When are you taking it to the track to see how much a$$ it hauls now ? ------------------ '90 LX 5.0;12K original miles;FMS 3.55 gears; March pulleys;Edelbrock Performer Heads;BBK 1 5/8" equal length shorties;MSD 6AL ignition w/ blaster 2 coil;FMS E303 cam;Pro-M 75mm MAF;BBK 70mm TB; Eibach drag-launch spring kit;Southside weld-on subs;9" K&N cone filter charger;Hurst shifter;Cervini 3" turbo hood;A/C delete;gutted cats;2 chamber Flomasters;Corbeau racing seats;FMS 30# injectors;JMS custom chip;Holley 190lb fp;TFS track heat intake (12.299 @ 113mph w/ a 1.78 60') ....soon to be b

10-04-2001, 04:42 PM	#7
smokedchevy Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: ventura,CA Posts: 438	Reading plugs is a lot harder on fuel injected engines. You need to shut the engine down at full throttle(hope your car stops!) and then pull the plugs. If it idles at all the color won't be accurate. Your engine sounds good though. I'd kill to have a car like yours! ------------------ 92 GT, 4:10 gears, centerforce clutch, 6# powerdyne blower, bbk h-pipe, flowmasters

10-04-2001, 06:52 PM	#8
ed1371 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 469	Hey sky, to read your plugs, run it with N2O and then IMEDIATELY shut it down and pull every plug. It isn't hard to read them, you will easily be able to tell if you are running lean/have detonation .Dont just look at one or two. You can't hear detonation but how loud is it in that beast of yours? If you want to keep your engine, follow the reccomendations, 92 octane, back off your timing and dont hit it till 3000 rpms. One step colder plugs wouldn't hurt either. Don't take chances with N2O...If you decide to go with a larger shot, make sure your clutch is up to it also! ------------------ My Mustang 91 LX Conv. 52,000 orig mi. Hurst shifter,King Cobra clutch, 3.55 grs, NOS 150 kit, MSD 6al, MSD timing control, malory coil, pullies, adj fuel reg, BBK 70mm tb, Pro-m 75mm maf, battery in trunk, JBA: shorties,subs,strut tower brc, Comp eng. 6 point cage, dynomax 2 1/2" exhaust, Hotchkis lower cntrl arms, MAC cold air kit, off road h pipe. BFG 275/50/15 Drag radials

10-04-2001, 07:48 PM	#9
Nitrous Al Registered Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Everett, MA Posts: 417	Sky, you got to run 94 octane or more. It's cheap insurance.

10-04-2001, 09:23 PM	#10
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	Yeah, I won't do that again. Hmm, sounds like a *** to pull the car over on the side of the road after running the nos, and pull 8 plugs on a burning hot engine. Time to retard the timing, and run good fuel. Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS TW Heads, E-303, Edelbrock intake, 70mm TB, 73mm MAF, 24lb injectors, 1 5/8 shorties, Off Road H, 3 Chamber flows, Jaz Race seats, Back seat removed, sub-frames, Roll Cage, and a 80 shot of N20. 12.54@107.4 Motor 332RWHP, 350rwtq**

10-04-2001, 11:29 PM	#11
mustang marty gt Guest Posts: n/a	hey skyman i have a00gt but bought it new in feb ,only have 12, 000 miles on it ,i wish icould have gotten either a svt ,or a saleen but money wouldn't allow me so i settled for the full package gt. it's ok for now.good luck, i still can't beilive your time & speed ,wicked. oh, by the way iwould appreciate any advice for mod's i am new to the newer stang's ,i alway's had the older model's - 69 & below this is my first new generation stang, i'm not real familiar with them thank's. ------------------ [This message has been edited by mustang marty gt (edited 10-05-2001).]

10-04-2001, 11:39 PM	#12
69fastback IRAQ VET Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: high desert California Posts: 1,480	Glad to see u finally got that nitrous working right. Take that thing to the track to see what it can do. I will be at my parents house in rancho cucamunga in Jan for a couple of weeks. If there is any tracks going to be open i would love to go racing with u guys. Can't wait to get back i miss the states so much. ------------------ 69 428 cobra jet: tons of mods. 97 f-150 5.4 xlt mark III BUCKLE UP. SUCK IT IN. Objects in the mirror are about to disappear... QUICKLY!!!!!!

10-05-2001, 02:05 PM	#13
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	marty- From what I have seen on the new stangs I would go with gears, H pipe, exhaust, pulleys, and a timing adjuster. I think Mustang92 on here has an awesome running combo. He has just a few boltons on his 99GT and its running 12.9's. 69fast- Definatly, I am always up for the track. When you get back to the states all us local guys will have to head out again. Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS TW Heads, E-303, Edelbrock intake, 70mm TB, 73mm MAF, 24lb injectors, 1 5/8 shorties, Off Road H, 3 Chamber flows, Jaz Race seats, Back seat removed, sub-frames, Roll Cage, and a 80 shot of N20. 12.54@107.4 Motor *332RWHP, 350rwtq*

10-08-2001, 08:28 PM	#14
exgmguy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: Utica, Michigan Posts: 2,631	Sky, I checked my plugs finally after the track. I would just pull a couple easy ones and I assumed everything was ok. But to my suprise I had 3 that no longer had tips on them. It seems my lower intake gaskets started leaking (never retorqued the lower) and started pulling oil in from the lifter valley. Oil can make 104 act like 86 octane in a flash. I have never heard a single rattle. Just be careful, because once you make a mistake with the hose, it is usually an expensive one. ------------------ 1988 Mustang GT 11.8 @ 123 (7/14/01) 11.5 @ 120 (9/14/01) 1992 BadAzz Wrangler 1993 Explorer See my car at: www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?179

10-08-2001, 09:04 PM	#15
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	I better pull all the plugs and check them, see if therse any detonation on them. I need to do a compression check anyways. Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS TW Heads, E-303, Edelbrock intake, 70mm TB, 73mm MAF, 24lb injectors, 1 5/8 shorties, Off Road H, 3 Chamber flows, Jaz Race seats, Back seat removed, sub-frames, Roll Cage, and a 80 shot of N20. 12.54@107.4 Motor *332RWHP, 350rwtq*