Camaro's New Engine Still Can't Hang

6T9PONY · 08-03-2002, 03:18 AM

Him: '92 Camaro RS, 327 bored to 333, .563 lift/270 duration, 750 carb, Torker II intake, 10.5:1 flat top pistons, balanced and blueprinted, lightened rods, World Products 2.02/1.60 heads, 2800 stall, B&M shift kit, stock 2.73 peg leg...whole lotta money put into it. Very mismatched.

Me: '69 Fastback, 351W, stock bottom end, STOCK HEADS (sucky sucky), .496/.520 lift; 224/234 duration, Performer RPM intake, 750 carb, 110 gph fuel pump, 2400 stall, B&M shift kit, Currie 9" with 3.70s and traction-lock. Runs fairly rich, need to rejet my carb. My stock heads are a major bottleneck, but due to college being very expensive, I can't afford new ones!!!!!

We meet at the Runza restaurant near the I-80/Hwy 385 interchange just outside the city limits at 9:30. From there we took the 15-20 minute trip southwest of where I live to an old, quiet, rarely travelled section of highway. We have had some big street racing nights there with 15-20 cars racing and about 100-150 other people spectating. We have a starting line and a finish line painted across the road.

We arrive and pull onto a side road near the starting line. Both of our cars run fairly warm so we sat and shot the bull for about 45 minutes letting our machines cool off. It was a beautiful night. Clear skies over us, a few shooting stars, and a thunderstorm about 30 miles north of us with a great amount of lightning. Him, his cousin, my girlfriend and I just talked, hung out, and threw rocks at a stop sign.

We figured it was about time so we got our cars ready and fired them up, backed them onto the highway, did a quick little burnout to clean the dust off the tires, and staged. His cousin started us.

I put the car in neutral and pumped my brakes to build pressure and help them hold at the line. I loaded my stall converter up to about 1900/2000 rpm, at the drop of the starter's arms I mashed the pedal and released the brake.

I instantly pulled a carlength on him, he had all sorts of traction but my tires were struggling to hook. My back end kicked out a little to the right but I got full traction again in about 10 yards. I pulled another couple car lengths on him. I knew I was going to jump him HARD out of the hole, but I figured he'd have the top end to run be down and beat me to the stripe.

I shift at 5200 and take a peak in the rear view mirror. I'm still pulling on him. I get about halfway through 2nd gear and I notice him starting to inch his way back up to me. I shift into 3rd gear and he stops gaining. I am pressing as hard as I can on the gas pedal. I cross the finish line and keep on it for about 2 or 3 more seconds. When we crossed the stripe I was about 4 carlengths ahead of him. I saw his nose dive so I hit my brakes and stop. He pulls up next to me and we talk for a couple seconds, he says he didn't have traction problems but his carb is all messed up, I tell him I spun fairly bad so we head back to pick up the passengers.

I stop at the start line and shine my lights on where I launched from. My tire marks tell the whole story, although the starter thought neither of us had spun.

We all stand at the starting line and talk for a few minutes. We agree to come back out and run them again once we play with our cars a little.

Once he gets some gears and gets his carb tuned better he should beat me, but who knows. This was my first real drag race in my fastback and it was a good one! I was happy!

Just thought I'd share. Sorry it's long but I like reading stories with details rather than "I raced a Camaro and beat him pretty good." kind of things. Hope you don't mind.

PKRWUD · 08-03-2002, 03:39 AM

With those gears, he should have raced you in the mile, not the 1/4 mile! He will be trouble when he get's a decent rear. Still, you have every right to be proud! Excellent job! {I'm so proud

}

Very cool story! Nicely told. Brings back memories.

Take care,
~Chris

6T9PONY · 08-03-2002, 04:02 AM

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Originally posted by PKRWUD
With those gears, he should have raced you in the mile, not the 1/4 mile! He will be trouble when he get's a decent rear. Still, you have every right to be proud! Excellent job! {I'm so proud }

Very cool story! Nicely told. Brings back memories.

Take care,
~Chris

He will most definitely be a strong runner when he gets posi and steeper gears. I'm not sure when exactly he's going to do this. His car could run so much better than it does, but it's very mismatched. It is way over-cammed.

I'm glad I could resurrect a few of your good times for you, Chris. Have a good night (morning).

-Ben

Dark_5.0 · 08-03-2002, 09:05 AM

Good story. Its always nice to beat a guy that has more done to his car than you. If you had 4 cars on him and you spun bad, even if he gets gears you should still take him.

Nice kill,

LX5liter · 08-03-2002, 09:25 AM

Good race. Like it was mentioned before, the gears might change the story quite a bit. At least he sounds like a decent guy.

venumus93 · 08-03-2002, 03:44 PM

Great race story! Not too long at all! Gotta love the anticipation building up to the moment of truth, & the great details of the whole race!
Good kill!

later!

Sean

Rev · 08-03-2002, 04:57 PM

I agree. Not too long at all. A really good narrative. I'm wondering what you run at the track, 69Pony? I'm sure you've probably posted it and I've just missed it. Consider putting it in your sig.

I always thought the RS Camaros were 6's. Never would have suspected a 327 in a '92. I'm thinking you can still get him even if he gets gears and a posi. If you beat him by 4 car lengths, then that's about .4 seconds in the 1/4 mile. Congrats on a good run.

Rev

6T9PONY · 08-03-2002, 07:24 PM

Thanks everyone.

LX5liter- He is usually a pretty cool guy, but sometimes he just doesn't really have a clue. He made quite a few excuses and his cousin (which I get along with, but don't like too much) made even more excuses for him. His cousin even said the wind (about 25-30 mph from our right side) was part of the reason. WTF? First of all we BOTH had to deal with wind and I was in the right lane so if either of us had more of it, I DID!

Rev- I've never been to the track yet. The first chance I'm going to have is September 1st, so I'm planning on going that day. I'm expecting a low-to-mid 14. Anywhere from 14.3-14.5.

The '94-up RS's are all V6s I believe. But his came original with a 170 hp 305.

He did a couple minor mods (TB spacer, shift kit, chip) to it and thought it was a world beater. But then I raced him with my old Coupe which was probably a 14.9-15.0 car and beat him by about 7-8 carlengths to 75 mph.

Believe it or not (you're gonna crap yourself), the 327 was out of a fox body Mustang! Some idiot stuffed a Chevy 327 into a fox and spray painted the car (white exterior) with tan paint that said 'Chevy Power' and 'Ford Sucks' all over it.

-Ben

Skyman · 08-03-2002, 07:49 PM

That 327 should run around, around 350hp I would imagine if its running correctly.

Good race, looks like your car runs good!

Skyler

6T9PONY · 08-03-2002, 07:59 PM

There's no way it has 350 hp. I'm sure it probably could, but it sure doesn't!

The funny thing is that a couple nights before the race he was talking about how he was using some internet dyno thing and it said he should have about 450 hp. All I said is "Well damn, you're going to kill me then. I probably only have about 275 hp."

I knew he had no where close to 450 hp (would put him nicely into the 12s), and he said he's estimating a mid 13 with his gears he has now. Riiiiiiiiiiiight.... I probably have somewhere around 285-290 hp and I beat him that good. He needed a wake up call. Glad I could dial the number for him.

-Ben

Dark_5.0 · 08-04-2002, 01:35 AM

My brother has an 79' camaro with a 327 bored 60 over, Sportsman II heads, cam,intake,750 carb, turbo 400 tranny with shift kit and 2500 stall,4.10 gears and slicks.

He runs a 14.08 @96.7mph @3000ft......I know it seems slow for his mods, but the car weighs almost 4,000 lbs with him in it.

PKRWUD · 08-04-2002, 08:05 AM

I think 360-365 hp is closer.

Take care,
~Chris

6T9PONY · 08-05-2002, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PKRWUD
I think 360-365 hp is closer.

Take care,
~Chris

huh?

Closer to what?

ReefBlueCoupe · 08-06-2002, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 6T9PONY
It was a beautiful night. Clear skies over us, a few shooting stars, and a thunderstorm about 30 miles north of us with a great amount of lightning. Him, his cousin, my girlfriend and I just talked, hung out, and threw rocks at a stop sign.

ah.. i love the midwest. reminds me of being in Minnesota.. id love to have my car up there just to drive it around.

6T9PONY · 08-06-2002, 09:28 PM

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Originally posted by ReefBlueCoupe
ah.. i love the midwest. reminds me of being in Minnesota.. id love to have my car up there just to drive it around.

Yeah, it's a pretty neat area. My only gripes are the constant frickin winds and the elevation (little under 3500). But overall it's a very enjoyable area. Winters are cold, summers are hot, but spring and fall are perfect.

08-03-2002, 03:18 AM	#1
6T9PONY All about the Windsor. Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 2,052	Camaro's New Engine Still Can't Hang Him: '92 Camaro RS, 327 bored to 333, .563 lift/270 duration, 750 carb, Torker II intake, 10.5:1 flat top pistons, balanced and blueprinted, lightened rods, World Products 2.02/1.60 heads, 2800 stall, B&M shift kit, stock 2.73 peg leg...whole lotta money put into it. Very mismatched. Me: '69 Fastback, 351W, stock bottom end, STOCK HEADS (sucky sucky), .496/.520 lift; 224/234 duration, Performer RPM intake, 750 carb, 110 gph fuel pump, 2400 stall, B&M shift kit, Currie 9" with 3.70s and traction-lock. Runs fairly rich, need to rejet my carb. My stock heads are a major bottleneck, but due to college being very expensive, I can't afford new ones!!!!! We meet at the Runza restaurant near the I-80/Hwy 385 interchange just outside the city limits at 9:30. From there we took the 15-20 minute trip southwest of where I live to an old, quiet, rarely travelled section of highway. We have had some big street racing nights there with 15-20 cars racing and about 100-150 other people spectating. We have a starting line and a finish line painted across the road. We arrive and pull onto a side road near the starting line. Both of our cars run fairly warm so we sat and shot the bull for about 45 minutes letting our machines cool off. It was a beautiful night. Clear skies over us, a few shooting stars, and a thunderstorm about 30 miles north of us with a great amount of lightning. Him, his cousin, my girlfriend and I just talked, hung out, and threw rocks at a stop sign. We figured it was about time so we got our cars ready and fired them up, backed them onto the highway, did a quick little burnout to clean the dust off the tires, and staged. His cousin started us. I put the car in neutral and pumped my brakes to build pressure and help them hold at the line. I loaded my stall converter up to about 1900/2000 rpm, at the drop of the starter's arms I mashed the pedal and released the brake. I instantly pulled a carlength on him, he had all sorts of traction but my tires were struggling to hook. My back end kicked out a little to the right but I got full traction again in about 10 yards. I pulled another couple car lengths on him. I knew I was going to jump him HARD out of the hole, but I figured he'd have the top end to run be down and beat me to the stripe. I shift at 5200 and take a peak in the rear view mirror. I'm still pulling on him. I get about halfway through 2nd gear and I notice him starting to inch his way back up to me. I shift into 3rd gear and he stops gaining. I am pressing as hard as I can on the gas pedal. I cross the finish line and keep on it for about 2 or 3 more seconds. When we crossed the stripe I was about 4 carlengths ahead of him. I saw his nose dive so I hit my brakes and stop. He pulls up next to me and we talk for a couple seconds, he says he didn't have traction problems but his carb is all messed up, I tell him I spun fairly bad so we head back to pick up the passengers. I stop at the start line and shine my lights on where I launched from. My tire marks tell the whole story, although the starter thought neither of us had spun. We all stand at the starting line and talk for a few minutes. We agree to come back out and run them again once we play with our cars a little. Once he gets some gears and gets his carb tuned better he should beat me, but who knows. This was my first real drag race in my fastback and it was a good one! I was happy! Just thought I'd share. Sorry it's long but I like reading stories with details rather than "I raced a Camaro and beat him pretty good." kind of things. Hope you don't mind.

08-03-2002, 03:39 AM	#2
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	With those gears, he should have raced you in the mile, not the 1/4 mile! He will be trouble when he get's a decent rear. Still, you have every right to be proud! Excellent job! {I'm so proud } Very cool story! Nicely told. Brings back memories. Take care, ~Chris __________________ Webmaster: Rice Haters Club Jim Porter Racing Peckerwoods Pit Stop Support Your Local RED & WHITE!

08-03-2002, 09:05 AM	#4
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	Good story. Its always nice to beat a guy that has more done to his car than you. If you had 4 cars on him and you spun bad, even if he gets gears you should still take him. Nice kill, __________________ 92' LX-Big brakes, Lots and lots of suspension, GT40X heads, Ported cobra intake, stock cam, Vortech SC trim. 00' Lightning-Stock 88'CRX-13 second ego killer

08-03-2002, 09:25 AM	#5
LX5liter dude5l Join Date: May 2001 Location: Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada Posts: 603	Good race. Like it was mentioned before, the gears might change the story quite a bit. At least he sounds like a decent guy. __________________ Good luck! Brad R. 1992 L.X. 5.0 coupe MODS: A few little bolt ons New Best time ...11.60 @ 128 mph @ 2000+ ft altitude. Rice Haters Club member #39 Users rides #2542

08-03-2002, 03:44 PM	#6
venumus93 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: West Melbourne, FL, USA Posts: 237	Great race story! Not too long at all! Gotta love the anticipation building up to the moment of truth, & the great details of the whole race! Good kill! later! Sean __________________ 93Cobra#3974, 114K miles 3.55's, flo's, pullies, C&L 1/4: 13.985 60': 2.088 (street tires) MPH: 99.58

08-03-2002, 04:57 PM	#7
Rev Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 3,887	I like the detail I agree. Not too long at all. A really good narrative. I'm wondering what you run at the track, 69Pony? I'm sure you've probably posted it and I've just missed it. Consider putting it in your sig. I always thought the RS Camaros were 6's. Never would have suspected a 327 in a '92. I'm thinking you can still get him even if he gets gears and a posi. If you beat him by 4 car lengths, then that's about .4 seconds in the 1/4 mile. Congrats on a good run. Rev __________________ '66 Coupe, 306, 350-375 HP, C-4, 13.07 e.t., 104.8 mph, 1/4 mi. O.B.C. #2 '66 coupe

08-03-2002, 07:24 PM	#8
6T9PONY All about the Windsor. Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 2,052	Thanks everyone. LX5liter- He is usually a pretty cool guy, but sometimes he just doesn't really have a clue. He made quite a few excuses and his cousin (which I get along with, but don't like too much) made even more excuses for him. His cousin even said the wind (about 25-30 mph from our right side) was part of the reason. WTF? First of all we BOTH had to deal with wind and I was in the right lane so if either of us had more of it, I DID! Rev- I've never been to the track yet. The first chance I'm going to have is September 1st, so I'm planning on going that day. I'm expecting a low-to-mid 14. Anywhere from 14.3-14.5. The '94-up RS's are all V6s I believe. But his came original with a 170 hp 305. He did a couple minor mods (TB spacer, shift kit, chip) to it and thought it was a world beater. But then I raced him with my old Coupe which was probably a 14.9-15.0 car and beat him by about 7-8 carlengths to 75 mph. Believe it or not (you're gonna crap yourself), the 327 was out of a fox body Mustang! Some idiot stuffed a Chevy 327 into a fox and spray painted the car (white exterior) with tan paint that said 'Chevy Power' and 'Ford Sucks' all over it. -Ben

08-03-2002, 07:49 PM	#9
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	That 327 should run around, around 350hp I would imagine if its running correctly. Good race, looks like your car runs good! Skyler __________________ 2001 BMW M3 6spd 12.79@108 RIP ---- 1993 Notch w/ 98 4V 4.6 Fasttt... -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- 12.32@109 -1999 Black Cobra Coupe- JBA Shorties, Bassani Cat-X, Magnaflow 3", Pulleys, 85mm Pro-M, Ported Intake, Soild Rear w/ 4.30s, Tubular Front End, X2C arms, 13lb batt, few others.

08-03-2002, 07:59 PM	#10
6T9PONY All about the Windsor. Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 2,052	There's no way it has 350 hp. I'm sure it probably could, but it sure doesn't! The funny thing is that a couple nights before the race he was talking about how he was using some internet dyno thing and it said he should have about 450 hp. All I said is "Well damn, you're going to kill me then. I probably only have about 275 hp." I knew he had no where close to 450 hp (would put him nicely into the 12s), and he said he's estimating a mid 13 with his gears he has now. Riiiiiiiiiiiight.... I probably have somewhere around 285-290 hp and I beat him that good. He needed a wake up call. Glad I could dial the number for him. -Ben

08-04-2002, 01:35 AM	#11
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	My brother has an 79' camaro with a 327 bored 60 over, Sportsman II heads, cam,intake,750 carb, turbo 400 tranny with shift kit and 2500 stall,4.10 gears and slicks. He runs a 14.08 @96.7mph @3000ft......I know it seems slow for his mods, but the car weighs almost 4,000 lbs with him in it. __________________ 92' LX-Big brakes, Lots and lots of suspension, GT40X heads, Ported cobra intake, stock cam, Vortech SC trim. 00' Lightning-Stock 88'CRX-13 second ego killer

08-04-2002, 08:05 AM	#12
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	I think 360-365 hp is closer. Take care, ~Chris __________________ Webmaster: Rice Haters Club Jim Porter Racing Peckerwoods Pit Stop Support Your Local RED & WHITE!

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