Carlsbad Time Tomrrow - Page 2

Skyman · 07-15-2002, 10:07 PM

Russ-

I was watching a video of your car and it looks like it is running really rich. Blowing some black smoke.

I would expect a 118-120mph trap speed out of it w/ all those parts and that much boost.

Sounds like you need to power shift those gears a little harder too

hehe.

How much FP are you running? FMU?

Skyler

NO SLO PK · 07-16-2002, 09:30 AM

Hey Sky,

I didn't know it was blowing black smoke...thanks.

I agree, it should be running 118-120.

I wanted to do the tuning myself, but I think it's time to contact Powertrain Dynamics and set up an appointment.

Regarding the shifting...I know I'm slow...it's a new Tremec and I'm still getting used to the action...it's a lot stiffer than the T5. It'll get there.

Let me know if you think of anything else. Maybe an intake changeout?

Russ

Skyman · 07-16-2002, 12:43 PM

How much timing are you pulling out?

I doubt that extrude honed cobra is the best intake, but I doubt its really hurting you much.

A good tune would tell a lot, and probably gain you ~50rwhp atleast I would imagine.

Skyler

NO SLO PK · 07-16-2002, 09:10 PM

There is no timing retard. My final run was at 11 degrees initial.

If I'm blowing black smoke, maybe the ignition could use attention. I have Motorsport plug wires, which probably aren't the greatest. Plugs are NGK. The 6AL and PS-91 coil are new. Cap and rotor are fairly new.

Do you have any experience with the Motorsport wires?

As far as fuel pressure goes, the regulator is set to about 36 psi under zero vacuum. I'm not certain what the FMU goes to...I'd like to back off on the FMU a little, but when I do, it detonates.

This is why I think it might be ignition. What are your thoughts?

Skyman · 07-16-2002, 10:45 PM

I dont have that much experience w/ blower motors. But ask some of the guys on this site.

From what I understand its almost essential to get a Boost retard, so it pulls timing according to the amount of boost you are getting. Then you should find out your FMU ratio as well. 30lb injectors w/ an of unknown ratio could be wayy to much fuel. I think you are running too much timing and covering it up w/ too much fuel to keep off the detonation. Theres your missing hp I think.

I had motorsport wires before, they are fine, Ive run everything from some taylors to FMS, to pepboys elcheapos. Get this I have half taylors and half cuz my car burned some wires. And it runs great.

Whats your plug gap?

Skyler

NO SLO PK · 07-17-2002, 12:37 AM

The plug gap's tight - right around 0.030.

I don't know exactly what to say about the timing retard. ATI claims that you don't need retard with the intercooler...this seems to be the case with other ATI owners I've known in the past.

I gotta try a couple of adjustments, then maybe turn it over to the dyno folks.

89 Cobra LX · 07-17-2002, 01:59 PM

Skyman, your 60 foots are sick! Do you have a special launch technique or are you just dumping the clutch with slicks?

NO SLO PK, you're probably due for a custom chip at this point....... I think you know that.

Skyman · 07-17-2002, 03:16 PM

Ive played w/ the launches, and Im sure theres a lot more 60' in it. My car was doing something weird where it would almost die when I revved it up past 5800rpm on the line. So the highest launch I got was 5200rpm and that was the 1.66 60'.

I heat the tires up a bit, not to much, tach it up and let out the clutch, I dont drop it, I let it out quickly.

Skyler

exgmguy · 07-17-2002, 08:43 PM

Russ, To start off you are running with too much timing. 11 degrees initial is 27 degrees total. You should be around 21 degrees total. Problem is when you kick your initial timing down to 5 degrees, you lose tons of low end. A good cure for this is a custom chip, but you can also just set the initial at 21 degrees and leave the spout out. This will also keep your bottom end.

That should keep you from pinging, and you can lean it out from there, keeping an eye on the plugs after every pass.

46stang · 07-17-2002, 10:28 PM

hey sky can you tell me more about the 03 cobra! did he have mods? was it on slicks or street tires? 111mph is sweet! I haven't been to the track yet but i got mine dynoed

372rwhp and 366rwtq with only mod being a K&N!! I'm going to get some 410's and some kind of exhaust soon!
Leon

NO SLO PK · 07-17-2002, 11:53 PM

If Sky doesn't mention, I can tell you about the '03 Cobra ...the owner's a pal, I had dinner with him that night.

Btw, I ordered an '03 Cobra 'vert that is being built in the second wave of production. Can't wait!

46stang · 07-18-2002, 11:19 PM

any info would be great!!!no slo pk
by the way sky, your times are sick! nice times! congrats

Leon

Skyman · 07-20-2002, 03:41 AM

372rwhp! Killer, where did you take it? Are you gonna get some more mods on it?

let me know when you wanna goto the track and you can hit carlsbad with us!

Yeah thanks, but I was really hopeing for 110mph.

Skyler

NO SLO PK · 07-20-2002, 07:52 AM

Leon, the '03 Cobra at Carlsbad was stock except for removing the silencer and using Nitto drag radials. The owner aired down the Nittos to 15 psi. On the best run he was launching at 3,500 RPM without wheelspin (next time he'll try 4.000).

The owner's name is Luke and he's on the Lightning and Viper boards a lot. He owns those vehicles too.

He ordered an X-pipe and chip through JDM, so he'll be returning to Carlsbad soon. His goal is to eventually get into the 11 second range, and quickly.

Russ

46stang · 07-20-2002, 11:21 AM

i had it dynoed at morgan motorsports in the valley. they are off of reseda blvd. I'm happy with the results! not too bad for just a K&N

I'm putting 410's in this week

1st gear is real high in this car, I'm doing over 50mph before i shift to second!! so the gears should help that! Bassani is coming out with a X pipe specifically for the 03 so I'm waiting for that! should be out soon!! Also I think I'm going to get some slicks, especially for carlsbad! let me know when your going next time! I'm allways up for a trip to the track

it's still summer, so when it cools off a little I'm sure you'll crack that 110mph! what all have you done to your car! I see you finally got past 107mph!! and in the summer so thats promising

no slo pk: thanks for the info! his 111mph gives me hope when i finally make it to the track

especially since he is basically stock!Thanks for the launch technique he was using, this IRS stuff is new to me so i basically have to learn all over. he'll probably be doing 11's before no time!
Leon

Skyman · 07-20-2002, 01:44 PM

Russ- Was 111mph his best? Was he shifting that thing on the limiter?

Leon- It says 381rwhp as your best, right after the 372. Have you pulled the air silencer? When are you gonna get the lightening pulley?

Well probably go in a week or two, but ill definatly let you both know.

Skyler

46stang · 07-24-2002, 10:54 PM

yea it did spike at the very end to 381rwhp, but my previous two pulls were 366 and 368rwhp! so i think it may have been a glitch?? i will get a new pulley pretty soon!!!! sorry i also had the silencer removed as well. check out this video of a 03 with a lighning pulley!! he does 117mph! this guys car just dynoed 442rwhp and with a little more seat time he has gotten his time down to 12.28 on street tires!!! 1.9x 60fts!
leon

http://www.tri-statesho-svt.org/mov...Cobra_12_94.mpg

89 Cobra LX · 07-25-2002, 08:20 AM

bad link?.....

DRASTiK · 07-26-2002, 12:27 AM

Can't see the vid. But I really wanna!!!!

The Deuce · 07-27-2002, 01:05 AM

Sky,
I'm picking up my GT in 12 hours. Almost feel like driving straight to C-bad tomorrow.

Actually let me know when you are going down there again. I actually won't be embarassed to show up, even thought the car will be really slow. I just need to make sure my extended warranty will cover anything I break.

07-15-2002, 10:07 PM	#21
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	Russ- I was watching a video of your car and it looks like it is running really rich. Blowing some black smoke. I would expect a 118-120mph trap speed out of it w/ all those parts and that much boost. Sounds like you need to power shift those gears a little harder too hehe. How much FP are you running? FMU? Skyler __________________ 2001 BMW M3 6spd 12.79@108 RIP ---- 1993 Notch w/ 98 4V 4.6 Fasttt... -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- 12.32@109 -1999 Black Cobra Coupe- JBA Shorties, Bassani Cat-X, Magnaflow 3", Pulleys, 85mm Pro-M, Ported Intake, Soild Rear w/ 4.30s, Tubular Front End, X2C arms, 13lb batt, few others.

07-16-2002, 09:30 AM	#22
NO SLO PK Registered Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Arcadia, CA, USA Posts: 731	Hey Sky, I didn't know it was blowing black smoke...thanks. I agree, it should be running 118-120. I wanted to do the tuning myself, but I think it's time to contact Powertrain Dynamics and set up an appointment. Regarding the shifting...I know I'm slow...it's a new Tremec and I'm still getting used to the action...it's a lot stiffer than the T5. It'll get there. Let me know if you think of anything else. Maybe an intake changeout? Russ __________________ Russ L '91 LX - 331 w/ Procharger '03 Cobra Convertible - Pullied '94 Lightning '65 Mustang Coupe

07-16-2002, 12:43 PM	#23
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	How much timing are you pulling out? I doubt that extrude honed cobra is the best intake, but I doubt its really hurting you much. A good tune would tell a lot, and probably gain you ~50rwhp atleast I would imagine. Skyler __________________ 2001 BMW M3 6spd 12.79@108 RIP ---- 1993 Notch w/ 98 4V 4.6 Fasttt... -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- 12.32@109 -1999 Black Cobra Coupe- JBA Shorties, Bassani Cat-X, Magnaflow 3", Pulleys, 85mm Pro-M, Ported Intake, Soild Rear w/ 4.30s, Tubular Front End, X2C arms, 13lb batt, few others.

07-16-2002, 09:10 PM	#24
NO SLO PK Registered Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Arcadia, CA, USA Posts: 731	There is no timing retard. My final run was at 11 degrees initial. If I'm blowing black smoke, maybe the ignition could use attention. I have Motorsport plug wires, which probably aren't the greatest. Plugs are NGK. The 6AL and PS-91 coil are new. Cap and rotor are fairly new. Do you have any experience with the Motorsport wires? As far as fuel pressure goes, the regulator is set to about 36 psi under zero vacuum. I'm not certain what the FMU goes to...I'd like to back off on the FMU a little, but when I do, it detonates. This is why I think it might be ignition. What are your thoughts? __________________ Russ L '91 LX - 331 w/ Procharger '03 Cobra Convertible - Pullied '94 Lightning '65 Mustang Coupe

07-16-2002, 10:45 PM	#25
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	I dont have that much experience w/ blower motors. But ask some of the guys on this site. From what I understand its almost essential to get a Boost retard, so it pulls timing according to the amount of boost you are getting. Then you should find out your FMU ratio as well. 30lb injectors w/ an of unknown ratio could be wayy to much fuel. I think you are running too much timing and covering it up w/ too much fuel to keep off the detonation. Theres your missing hp I think. I had motorsport wires before, they are fine, Ive run everything from some taylors to FMS, to pepboys elcheapos. Get this I have half taylors and half cuz my car burned some wires. And it runs great. Whats your plug gap? Skyler __________________ 2001 BMW M3 6spd 12.79@108 RIP ---- 1993 Notch w/ 98 4V 4.6 Fasttt... -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- 12.32@109 -1999 Black Cobra Coupe- JBA Shorties, Bassani Cat-X, Magnaflow 3", Pulleys, 85mm Pro-M, Ported Intake, Soild Rear w/ 4.30s, Tubular Front End, X2C arms, 13lb batt, few others.

07-17-2002, 12:37 AM	#26
NO SLO PK Registered Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Arcadia, CA, USA Posts: 731	The plug gap's tight - right around 0.030. I don't know exactly what to say about the timing retard. ATI claims that you don't need retard with the intercooler...this seems to be the case with other ATI owners I've known in the past. I gotta try a couple of adjustments, then maybe turn it over to the dyno folks. __________________ Russ L '91 LX - 331 w/ Procharger '03 Cobra Convertible - Pullied '94 Lightning '65 Mustang Coupe

07-17-2002, 01:59 PM	#27
89 Cobra LX Don Corlione Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Omaha NE USA Posts: 491	Skyman, your 60 foots are sick! Do you have a special launch technique or are you just dumping the clutch with slicks? NO SLO PK, you're probably due for a custom chip at this point....... I think you know that. __________________ Eric - 89 Mustang LX coupe 5 speed 302-Cobra Intake-GT40p heads-TFS stage 1 cam-FRPP 1.6 roller rockers-3:73 gears-KYB shocks and struts-Eibach Pro-kit-HPM Mega-bite upper and lower control arms-FRPP aluminum driveshaft-16x8 Chrome Cobra Rs R.H.C. #14

07-17-2002, 03:16 PM	#28
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	Ive played w/ the launches, and Im sure theres a lot more 60' in it. My car was doing something weird where it would almost die when I revved it up past 5800rpm on the line. So the highest launch I got was 5200rpm and that was the 1.66 60'. I heat the tires up a bit, not to much, tach it up and let out the clutch, I dont drop it, I let it out quickly. Skyler __________________ 2001 BMW M3 6spd 12.79@108 RIP ---- 1993 Notch w/ 98 4V 4.6 Fasttt... -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- 12.32@109 -1999 Black Cobra Coupe- JBA Shorties, Bassani Cat-X, Magnaflow 3", Pulleys, 85mm Pro-M, Ported Intake, Soild Rear w/ 4.30s, Tubular Front End, X2C arms, 13lb batt, few others.

07-17-2002, 08:43 PM	#29
exgmguy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: Utica, Michigan Posts: 2,631	Russ, To start off you are running with too much timing. 11 degrees initial is 27 degrees total. You should be around 21 degrees total. Problem is when you kick your initial timing down to 5 degrees, you lose tons of low end. A good cure for this is a custom chip, but you can also just set the initial at 21 degrees and leave the spout out. This will also keep your bottom end. That should keep you from pinging, and you can lean it out from there, keeping an eye on the plugs after every pass. __________________ 1988 Mustang GT stock bottom 302, C4 10.9 @ 128 with 8 psi of Novi 1000 boost!----STOLEN 1989 Mustang notchback Warmed up 306 with a Procharger.

07-17-2002, 10:28 PM	#30
46stang Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: moorpark ca Posts: 340	hey sky can you tell me more about the 03 cobra! did he have mods? was it on slicks or street tires? 111mph is sweet! I haven't been to the track yet but i got mine dynoed 372rwhp and 366rwtq with only mod being a K&N!! I'm going to get some 410's and some kind of exhaust soon! Leon __________________ 03 sonic blue cobra coupe, 11.49@122mph bakerfield raceway! 11.67@120mph fontana 98 GT, stock for now.

07-17-2002, 11:53 PM	#31
NO SLO PK Registered Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Arcadia, CA, USA Posts: 731	If Sky doesn't mention, I can tell you about the '03 Cobra ...the owner's a pal, I had dinner with him that night. Btw, I ordered an '03 Cobra 'vert that is being built in the second wave of production. Can't wait! __________________ Russ L '91 LX - 331 w/ Procharger '03 Cobra Convertible - Pullied '94 Lightning '65 Mustang Coupe

07-18-2002, 11:19 PM	#32
46stang Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: moorpark ca Posts: 340	any info would be great!!!no slo pk by the way sky, your times are sick! nice times! congrats Leon __________________ 03 sonic blue cobra coupe, 11.49@122mph bakerfield raceway! 11.67@120mph fontana 98 GT, stock for now.

07-20-2002, 03:41 AM	#33
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	372rwhp! Killer, where did you take it? Are you gonna get some more mods on it? let me know when you wanna goto the track and you can hit carlsbad with us! Yeah thanks, but I was really hopeing for 110mph. Skyler __________________ 2001 BMW M3 6spd 12.79@108 RIP ---- 1993 Notch w/ 98 4V 4.6 Fasttt... -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- 12.32@109 -1999 Black Cobra Coupe- JBA Shorties, Bassani Cat-X, Magnaflow 3", Pulleys, 85mm Pro-M, Ported Intake, Soild Rear w/ 4.30s, Tubular Front End, X2C arms, 13lb batt, few others.

07-20-2002, 07:52 AM	#34
NO SLO PK Registered Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Arcadia, CA, USA Posts: 731	Leon, the '03 Cobra at Carlsbad was stock except for removing the silencer and using Nitto drag radials. The owner aired down the Nittos to 15 psi. On the best run he was launching at 3,500 RPM without wheelspin (next time he'll try 4.000). The owner's name is Luke and he's on the Lightning and Viper boards a lot. He owns those vehicles too. He ordered an X-pipe and chip through JDM, so he'll be returning to Carlsbad soon. His goal is to eventually get into the 11 second range, and quickly. Russ __________________ Russ L '91 LX - 331 w/ Procharger '03 Cobra Convertible - Pullied '94 Lightning '65 Mustang Coupe

07-20-2002, 01:44 PM	#36
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	Russ- Was 111mph his best? Was he shifting that thing on the limiter? Leon- It says 381rwhp as your best, right after the 372. Have you pulled the air silencer? When are you gonna get the lightening pulley? Well probably go in a week or two, but ill definatly let you both know. Skyler __________________ 2001 BMW M3 6spd 12.79@108 RIP ---- 1993 Notch w/ 98 4V 4.6 Fasttt... -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- 12.32@109 -1999 Black Cobra Coupe- JBA Shorties, Bassani Cat-X, Magnaflow 3", Pulleys, 85mm Pro-M, Ported Intake, Soild Rear w/ 4.30s, Tubular Front End, X2C arms, 13lb batt, few others.

07-24-2002, 10:54 PM	#37
46stang Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: moorpark ca Posts: 340	yea it did spike at the very end to 381rwhp, but my previous two pulls were 366 and 368rwhp! so i think it may have been a glitch?? i will get a new pulley pretty soon!!!! sorry i also had the silencer removed as well. check out this video of a 03 with a lighning pulley!! he does 117mph! this guys car just dynoed 442rwhp and with a little more seat time he has gotten his time down to 12.28 on street tires!!! 1.9x 60fts! leon http://www.tri-statesho-svt.org/mov...Cobra_12_94.mpg __________________ 03 sonic blue cobra coupe, 11.49@122mph bakerfield raceway! 11.67@120mph fontana 98 GT, stock for now.

07-25-2002, 08:20 AM	#38
89 Cobra LX Don Corlione Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Omaha NE USA Posts: 491	bad link?.....

07-26-2002, 12:27 AM	#39
DRASTiK Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Yuma, AZ Posts: 536	Can't see the vid. But I really wanna!!!! __________________ Dave 88 GT - 13.4@106 on street tires (2.2 60ft) My Stang RHC member #75 My stang is FOR SALE!!

07-27-2002, 01:05 AM	#40
The Deuce Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 2,325	Sky, I'm picking up my GT in 12 hours. Almost feel like driving straight to C-bad tomorrow. Actually let me know when you are going down there again. I actually won't be embarassed to show up, even thought the car will be really slow. I just need to make sure my extended warranty will cover anything I break. __________________ 1997 Mustang GT "The Freak" - 13.80 @ 101.70, 2.07 60' 1995 Honda VFR750 - not much @ really fast (actual data pending.) 1964.5 Mustang 289 Rice Haters Club Member #13

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