COBRA98 (stock) vs GT99 (semi-mod) - Page 2

05-01-2001, 08:45 PM

I ran my first 12 sec timeslip 12.89 @ 108 MPH, with only the following.

4.30 gears
BBK offroad H
Steeda Pulleys
275/50/15 BFG Drag radials

That is it!!! Full weight. There isn't a GT around that could do that with only $700 in mods.

Later, Jason

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N/A 1997 Cobra

1/8 mile - 7.75 @ 88.88 MPH Best MPH - 90.08
1/4 mile - 12.18 @ 113.06 MPH Best MPH - 114.02
1.60 60 ft.

SaleenGTS · 05-01-2001, 11:08 PM

See what did I tell ya. These cars are quick as $hit through a goose.

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Dustin
93 Cobra 261 rwhp
89 GT(Saleen Clone) 392 rwhp(TFS Intake,TFS Heads, BD-11A 9#,Ecam,1.6 rr's, BBK longtubes, lots more...

Lizard King · 05-01-2001, 11:21 PM

Holy smokes jmeiers.... that is insanely great 12s with $700 of mods!!!! WOW! I'm impressed.

Rocket 99GT... I notice on your mod list you do not have a MAF system. Make sure to take out that passenger headlight when you race him. That is good for about 10-15HP (or about .2 on the quarter)... NO KIDDING!!!!! I've tried everyway possible and without a Steeda Timing adjuster, the best way to get the air in the engine is by keeping your plastic cover over your air filter. Make sure to remove the restrictive plastic tube that goes out into your fender (it's a 2 piece cover).

After reading the arguments, I'm starting to worry about your launch too. One of the locals here has 3.73 and lowering springs, and because of that, he is very inconsitant on his launches. Good Luck dude!

StreetRacin89Stang · 05-02-2001, 12:27 AM

S281 Supercharged v. Cobra ???
Not doubting your story but would you explain how you won that one??

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89 5.0 GT White w/Blue Racing Stripes
K&N, 73mm Mass Air, Ported and Polished Stock Heads, E303 Cam, MAC equal Length Headers, Off Road H-Pipe, Borla Mufflers, 3.73's Sway Bars, Strut Tower Brace, Subframe Connectors, Eibach Springs, Koni Adjustables/Reds, Pony 5 Stars, 1000 Watt JL Audio System, No P/S , No Smog Pump

05-02-2001, 01:39 AM

I was using the Supercharged S281 story as my backup to the top-end charge that even a stock Cobra has.

He had me out-powered for sure but he was overgeared with 4.10's along with a roots blower. He most likely ran out of gear on the highway, and mine, when I had stock gearing, could keep on chugging. But, now, this same car, even though he is my friend, won't even try me. He is gonna sell it the last I heard and get an LS1.

Later, Jason

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N/A 1997 Cobra

1/8 mile - 7.75 @ 88.88 MPH Best MPH - 90.08
1/4 mile - 12.18 @ 113.06 MPH Best MPH - 114.02
1.60 60 ft.

Lizard King · 05-02-2001, 09:44 AM

Trade S281 against an LS1? But why?

The S281 out of the box is faster, AND better looking! (I know I know, looks are subjective)...

Not saying anything wrong with the LS1. THEY ARE AWESOME... I brought a lightly moded 30th aniversery one down the track at 13.19 on my second run!!!! The shifter in there is so sweet!

FivepointOH · 05-02-2001, 10:32 AM

Hate to say it but look at the may 5.0 mag... N/A s281 ran 13.92@100.04 and SUPERCHARGED s281 ran 13.48@107.19... sorry but a lot of ls1's will beat those times... not to mention some of the "Stock gt" that people claim to have.

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92 AOD GT, K&N, ram air, pulleys, 2 ch. flowmasters, 4:10's, shift kit, 1 5/8 mac longtubes and offroad hpipe 14.249 @ 97.34 mph before the headers and hpipe

[This message has been edited by FivepointOH (edited 05-02-2001).]

FastBlkz28 · 05-02-2001, 10:54 AM

If you are confident in your launching then I say you should win a close one.

SaleenGTS · 05-02-2001, 01:09 PM

5.oh...That wasn't a good test either. I have seen 3 other tests the S281 R or SC depending on what year....the 99 and up ran a 12.7@110 on slicks and another test it ran a 13.0 @ 108. Mt tested the 99 at 13.4 @ 106 on street tires, so NO most LS1's won't beat this car...hmm lets see here...302-320 hp vs 350-360 hp. IMHO

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Dustin
93 Cobra 261 rwhp
89 GT(Saleen Clone) 392 rwhp(TFS Intake,TFS Heads, BD-11A 9#,Ecam,1.6 rr's, BBK longtubes, lots more...

Lizard King · 05-02-2001, 05:50 PM

FivepointOH... you forgot to mention they had a trailer hitch with 38ft boat attached to it when the S281 hit 13.48.

There is no way in hell a S281 properly driven is going to post those times... I hit 13.66 with a stock GT... and can consistently hit 13.7-13.8.

With a car that has 100HP+ more, that car is for sure in the 12s.

Try Me · 05-02-2001, 09:00 PM

Again, this is questionable.
It's all in the driver.

Doesn't the S-281 have IRS?
I think so - that's probably why they ran the times they did?

FivepointOH · 05-02-2001, 10:22 PM

Hey you don't belive me go check out the may issue of 5.0 mag.... I agree that car should be at least in high 12's(traction problems??) but 107mph isn't much higher than most ls1's and lower than some....

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92 AOD GT, K&N, ram air, pulleys, 2 ch. flowmasters, 4:10's, shift kit, 1 5/8 mac longtubes and offroad hpipe 14.249 @ 97.34 mph before the headers and hpipe

Mercury · 05-03-2001, 01:24 AM

I'm not making any Jabs or doubting the power of the LS-1's, and I've said this before.

Where are all these Super LS-1s that Run 107 in the quarter in stock form? Where are all these stock LS-1s that run High 12's low 13's in basic Z28 or Trans-Am form?

There are none around here, thats for sure. People at the Hang out here with Camaros swear they run these kind of numbers, but everytime I go to the strip, or one of my friends goes, we never see them turn in the God like times they supposedly run. They dont even come close.

The only impressive LS-1 I've seen is a 2000 SS Z28 thats modded, his ran high 12's, although he doesnt drive his own car at the strip, he has his friend drive it.

Whats up with that?

Maybe its just the GM drivers here suck that bad, I dont know.

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64 1/2 "D" code Red Mustang Coupe. 289, C4, 3:1 rear gear. Mallory duel point. Ported & Polished 65 heads shaved .01 with 351 windsor valves, high side of 10.5:1 comp, 1.7:1 sled rockers, blue wolverine lumpy cam, autolite 4100 Hipo 4 barrel. And to many others to list

2000 Perf Red Mustang GT. 5spd. BBK Underdrive pulleys, Flotech off-road H pipe. Hurst T-Handle

64 1/2 red 6cyl coupe. Auto. project car.

SaleenGTS · 05-03-2001, 08:16 AM

5pointoh- I never said I didn't belive you. I saw that magazine, and I was disappointed. I was just saying that the S281SC is faster than that test...you don't know the track conditions or temperature, etc...I was just saying that they are a lot faster than that.

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Dustin
93 Cobra 261 rwhp
89 GT(Saleen Clone) 392 rwhp(TFS Intake,TFS Heads, BD-11A 9#,Ecam,1.6 rr's, BBK longtubes, lots more...

Lizard King · 05-03-2001, 09:59 AM

FivepointOH,

Unfortunately if we would believe every publications out there I would be running a 14.2-14.4 right now.

For the fun of it, let's just go to the analyser on the side bar of this site...
If you give it 360HP and 3700lbs (car and driver), the car is said to run 12.66 under ideal conditions. hmmm...

You know when motortrend rated the S281-SC at 13.4 ... I was so angry at them!!! I've seen that car (model 99) run against a tweaked up SN95 on Nitrous all night and they were running mid-high 12s. But you know, a lot of times are made a bit higher so they don't get flak from drivers that can't get those times.

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Lizard King, Bone Stock; 13.69 at 101MPH
• Extreme Burnout
•2000GT VS LS1
• Quartermile run
•2000GT vs LX Stang

EZRIDN · 05-03-2001, 10:18 AM

Check ou tmy past about going to the track and seeing some interesting stuff....

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'86 GT.
Gears & Flows

'87 GT.
Stock

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05-01-2001, 08:45 PM	#1
jmeiers Guest Posts: n/a	I ran my first 12 sec timeslip 12.89 @ 108 MPH, with only the following. 4.30 gears BBK offroad H Steeda Pulleys 275/50/15 BFG Drag radials That is it!!! Full weight. There isn't a GT around that could do that with only $700 in mods. Later, Jason ------------------ N/A 1997 Cobra 1/8 mile - 7.75 @ 88.88 MPH Best MPH - 90.08 1/4 mile - 12.18 @ 113.06 MPH Best MPH - 114.02 1.60 60 ft.

05-01-2001, 11:08 PM	#2
SaleenGTS RICE taste like Chicken Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 687	See what did I tell ya. These cars are quick as $hit through a goose. ------------------ Dustin 93 Cobra 261 rwhp 89 GT(Saleen Clone) 392 rwhp(TFS Intake,TFS Heads, BD-11A 9#,Ecam,1.6 rr's, BBK longtubes, lots more...

05-01-2001, 11:21 PM	#3
Lizard King midnightruns.com Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 584	Holy smokes jmeiers.... that is insanely great 12s with $700 of mods!!!! WOW! I'm impressed. Rocket 99GT... I notice on your mod list you do not have a MAF system. Make sure to take out that passenger headlight when you race him. That is good for about 10-15HP (or about .2 on the quarter)... NO KIDDING!!!!! I've tried everyway possible and without a Steeda Timing adjuster, the best way to get the air in the engine is by keeping your plastic cover over your air filter. Make sure to remove the restrictive plastic tube that goes out into your fender (it's a 2 piece cover). After reading the arguments, I'm starting to worry about your launch too. One of the locals here has 3.73 and lowering springs, and because of that, he is very inconsitant on his launches. Good Luck dude!

05-02-2001, 12:27 AM	#4
StreetRacin89Stang Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 63	S281 Supercharged v. Cobra ??? Not doubting your story but would you explain how you won that one?? ------------------ 89 5.0 GT White w/Blue Racing Stripes K&N, 73mm Mass Air, Ported and Polished Stock Heads, E303 Cam, MAC equal Length Headers, Off Road H-Pipe, Borla Mufflers, 3.73's Sway Bars, Strut Tower Brace, Subframe Connectors, Eibach Springs, Koni Adjustables/Reds, Pony 5 Stars, 1000 Watt JL Audio System, No P/S , No Smog Pump

05-02-2001, 01:39 AM	#5
jmeiers Guest Posts: n/a	I was using the Supercharged S281 story as my backup to the top-end charge that even a stock Cobra has. He had me out-powered for sure but he was overgeared with 4.10's along with a roots blower. He most likely ran out of gear on the highway, and mine, when I had stock gearing, could keep on chugging. But, now, this same car, even though he is my friend, won't even try me. He is gonna sell it the last I heard and get an LS1. Later, Jason ------------------ N/A 1997 Cobra 1/8 mile - 7.75 @ 88.88 MPH Best MPH - 90.08 1/4 mile - 12.18 @ 113.06 MPH Best MPH - 114.02 1.60 60 ft.

05-02-2001, 09:44 AM	#6
Lizard King midnightruns.com Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 584	Trade S281 against an LS1? But why? The S281 out of the box is faster, AND better looking! (I know I know, looks are subjective)... Not saying anything wrong with the LS1. THEY ARE AWESOME... I brought a lightly moded 30th aniversery one down the track at 13.19 on my second run!!!! The shifter in there is so sweet!

05-02-2001, 10:32 AM	#7
FivepointOH Registered Member Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Sugar Land, Tx USA Posts: 478	Hate to say it but look at the may 5.0 mag... N/A s281 ran 13.92@100.04 and SUPERCHARGED s281 ran 13.48@107.19... sorry but a lot of ls1's will beat those times... not to mention some of the "Stock gt" that people claim to have. ------------------ 92 AOD GT, K&N, ram air, pulleys, 2 ch. flowmasters, 4:10's, shift kit, 1 5/8 mac longtubes and offroad hpipe 14.249 @ 97.34 mph before the headers and hpipe [This message has been edited by FivepointOH (edited 05-02-2001).]

05-02-2001, 10:54 AM	#8
FastBlkz28 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: tampa Posts: 41	If you are confident in your launching then I say you should win a close one.

05-02-2001, 01:09 PM	#9
SaleenGTS RICE taste like Chicken Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 687	5.oh...That wasn't a good test either. I have seen 3 other tests the S281 R or SC depending on what year....the 99 and up ran a 12.7@110 on slicks and another test it ran a 13.0 @ 108. Mt tested the 99 at 13.4 @ 106 on street tires, so NO most LS1's won't beat this car...hmm lets see here...302-320 hp vs 350-360 hp. IMHO ------------------ Dustin 93 Cobra 261 rwhp 89 GT(Saleen Clone) 392 rwhp(TFS Intake,TFS Heads, BD-11A 9#,Ecam,1.6 rr's, BBK longtubes, lots more...

05-02-2001, 05:50 PM	#10
Lizard King midnightruns.com Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 584	FivepointOH... you forgot to mention they had a trailer hitch with 38ft boat attached to it when the S281 hit 13.48. There is no way in hell a S281 properly driven is going to post those times... I hit 13.66 with a stock GT... and can consistently hit 13.7-13.8. With a car that has 100HP+ more, that car is for sure in the 12s.

05-02-2001, 09:00 PM	#11
Try Me Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 465	Again, this is questionable. It's all in the driver. Doesn't the S-281 have IRS? I think so - that's probably why they ran the times they did?

05-02-2001, 10:22 PM	#12
FivepointOH Registered Member Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Sugar Land, Tx USA Posts: 478	Hey you don't belive me go check out the may issue of 5.0 mag.... I agree that car should be at least in high 12's(traction problems??) but 107mph isn't much higher than most ls1's and lower than some.... ------------------ 92 AOD GT, K&N, ram air, pulleys, 2 ch. flowmasters, 4:10's, shift kit, 1 5/8 mac longtubes and offroad hpipe 14.249 @ 97.34 mph before the headers and hpipe

05-03-2001, 01:24 AM	#13
Mercury The Redneck James Bond Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Fayetteville NC Posts: 1,707	I'm not making any Jabs or doubting the power of the LS-1's, and I've said this before. Where are all these Super LS-1s that Run 107 in the quarter in stock form? Where are all these stock LS-1s that run High 12's low 13's in basic Z28 or Trans-Am form? There are none around here, thats for sure. People at the Hang out here with Camaros swear they run these kind of numbers, but everytime I go to the strip, or one of my friends goes, we never see them turn in the God like times they supposedly run. They dont even come close. The only impressive LS-1 I've seen is a 2000 SS Z28 thats modded, his ran high 12's, although he doesnt drive his own car at the strip, he has his friend drive it. Whats up with that? Maybe its just the GM drivers here suck that bad, I dont know. ------------------ 64 1/2 "D" code Red Mustang Coupe. 289, C4, 3:1 rear gear. Mallory duel point. Ported & Polished 65 heads shaved .01 with 351 windsor valves, high side of 10.5:1 comp, 1.7:1 sled rockers, blue wolverine lumpy cam, autolite 4100 Hipo 4 barrel. And to many others to list 2000 Perf Red Mustang GT. 5spd. BBK Underdrive pulleys, Flotech off-road H pipe. Hurst T-Handle 64 1/2 red 6cyl coupe. Auto. project car.

05-03-2001, 08:16 AM	#14
SaleenGTS RICE taste like Chicken Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 687	5pointoh- I never said I didn't belive you. I saw that magazine, and I was disappointed. I was just saying that the S281SC is faster than that test...you don't know the track conditions or temperature, etc...I was just saying that they are a lot faster than that. ------------------ Dustin 93 Cobra 261 rwhp 89 GT(Saleen Clone) 392 rwhp(TFS Intake,TFS Heads, BD-11A 9#,Ecam,1.6 rr's, BBK longtubes, lots more...

05-03-2001, 09:59 AM	#15
Lizard King midnightruns.com Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 584	FivepointOH, Unfortunately if we would believe every publications out there I would be running a 14.2-14.4 right now. For the fun of it, let's just go to the analyser on the side bar of this site... If you give it 360HP and 3700lbs (car and driver), the car is said to run 12.66 under ideal conditions. hmmm... You know when motortrend rated the S281-SC at 13.4 ... I was so angry at them!!! I've seen that car (model 99) run against a tweaked up SN95 on Nitrous all night and they were running mid-high 12s. But you know, a lot of times are made a bit higher so they don't get flak from drivers that can't get those times. ------------------ Lizard King, Bone Stock; 13.69 at 101MPH • Extreme Burnout •2000GT VS LS1 • Quartermile run •2000GT vs LX Stang

05-03-2001, 10:18 AM	#16
EZRIDN Registered Member Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 504	Check ou tmy past about going to the track and seeing some interesting stuff.... ------------------ '86 GT. Gears & Flows '87 GT. Stock