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dakota r/t gets totalled right infront of me
i was just cruisin down a street near my house when this dakota r/t pulls up next to me and starts reving his engine. he asked me if i wanted to race but theres always a bunch of cops on this road so i said no. when the light turned green he took off and i just creeped out he must have been doing at least 100 mph when another car pulled out from a parking lot and he t- boned it with out even slowing down the r/t went up the curb and into the parking lot and the other car flew about 20 feet across the road and there were cops and ambulances everywhere within 2 minutes this all just happened about 5 minutes ago. the screwed up thing is that i met the guy like an hour earlier at taco bell and we talked about cars and he told me that he just got a ticket for doing 105 in a 45. i dont even know if he lived through it or any of the other 3 people he had in the truck or the guy driving the other car lived.
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Man people like that Just plain suck. Those kind of people dont need to be racing on the streets. What kinda person races with that many people in his own vehicle, putting all there lives at risk.
I hope there all okay, especially the people he T-boned. Let us know if you hear anything about there condition. |
Hopefully no one tries to put you at scene saying you were racing even though you were not. This is a perfect setup for the unreliable witness. "Uh yeah, I saw him an this Mustang revvin at the light, then he took off."
If it was me I would have kept going also. Just being there would imply guilt to many of our "guilty, because you were there" citizens. Hats off to your NO RACE decision. I admire your discipline. (thats not a deadly sin is it?) Mike ------------------ Live near St.Louis? Check out Mustang Muscle and Dyno in High Ridge, MO Check out my ride. |
That was definately a smart decision not to race him, probably saved you jail time. Also a smart decision to keep going just because of the unreliable witness as moosejaw stated, sure you could've helped out but then again you probably would've ended up in jail. Maybe I'm sefish thinking about saving myself in a situation like that rather than trying to save another life, but if I'm innocent and there are other people around that can help, I'd just keep going too!
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God that is absolutely terrible. Once again if you hear what happened to the people involved in the accident give us a post. That was seriously a smart decision not to race... I am glad you posted this, just a good reminder, saftey first.
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im going to try and find out if everybody was ok. I drove back by in my dads truck after i posted the message and life flight was just taking off and they had to tear the car apart with the jaws of life. I saw the driver of the r/t standing up near an ambulance talking to the parametics. it looked like he had a some cuts and scratches but he was ok. i dont know about any of the other people but ill try to find out and let you know
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That would totally suck if nothing happened to the driver but the other person's were seriously injured. Most of the time the wrong person gets hurt and the one that caused the accident goes on to do again. Some people never learn. What was he doing driving like with so many people in the truck???
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I'm gonna look for it in the Houston Chronicle in the morning. Bet there will be something about it. Not to take responsibility from the speeding Dakota, but it does take some lack of attention to pull directly into the path of a 100 mph vehicle. Did they just not look or fail to estimate the speed of the Dakota? I can't imagine that I would pull out in front of that 100 mph Dakota.
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i did what i could to find out what happened to everybody involved. The lady driving the car died from brain damage and the guy driving the r/t is in jail. I think the woman driving the car just wasnt paying attention. I couldnt find out about anybody else but i might be in trouble for fleeing the scene of an accident or something like that. I know their going to try and say that i was racing him and if that happens im going to be pissed.
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that's pretty shitty man, when innocent people gotta die... hope they don't try and pin sumthin on you....
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that's pretty shitty man, when innocent people gotta die... hope they don't try and pin sumthin on you....
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that's pretty shitty man, when innocent people gotta die... hope they don't try and pin sumthin on you....
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Thinkin' about it I always buckle up when I'm in a car or truck except when I'm in the middle seat. I can never get those belts to line or up or even find them. Some people have messy cars.
I'll bet the middle passenger got hurt pretty good too. You said you met him at Taco H*ll earlier so he probably wasn't drinking. But that 105/45 is not going to help at all. But they probably won't find that till he goes to trial. If what you say is true (I believe you) then you should have no "leaving scene" concerns. If they need your eye witness testimony it can be given after the fact. If they think another vehicle was involved (i.e. you) you will probably hear about it on the evening news. Otherwise, you will be a very d*mning witness at this guy's trial. He sure does have purty(pretty) lips, don't he? Mike [This message has been edited by moosejaw (edited 05-26-2001).] |
13sec95vert, I would say you have absolutely nothing to worry about. If your story is correct you were simply driving, and your being there was just a matter of circumstances. Its a terrible thing though... Sad thing is, I know that I have been guilty of being stupid and racing in non-appropriate places, could have easily happened to me. A very good wake up call...
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13sec95vert, I would say you have absolutely nothing to worry about. If your story is correct you were simply driving, and your being there was just a matter of circumstances. Its a terrible thing though... Sad thing is, I know that I have been guilty of being stupid and racing in non-appropriate places, could have easily happened to me. A very good wake up call...
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everybody except the woman driving the car was ok with minor injuries. the guy driving the truck wasnt drunk i dont think ill be in any trouble i might just have to write out a testimony. now that i think about it if i was racing him i probably wouldnt have seen the wreck because i would have been too far in front of him. Thats another reason i didnt race because those dakotas dont even give me a race. I dont think hell be in too much trouble because it was both of their fault. Him for speeding and her for not paying attention and pulling out in front of him.
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This young man near my area was street racing and a little kid ran out into the street. The guy hit him, killing him. The kid was convicted, and is in jail for the REST OF HIS LIFE. If you're street racing and something bad happens, you're screwed. ------------------ Black 2000 GT Pulleys, mufflers, K&N Steeda springs, subs, strut tower, CC plates |
I really doubt they'll go for involuntary manslaughter.
More likely vehicular homicide. Since both parties were being illegal (reckless driving, failure to yield), and both were in a car going for the actual 3rd degree charge is unlikely. In the case of hitting a pedestrian, they bend the rules to make your car into a deadly weapon so they can satisfy the public's outrage. Of course in that case, the public could be asking why in the hell did the kid run out into traffic in the first place? Best blame somebody not responsible for the lesson's taught to the child, because he didn't get hurt, right? **** that! It wasn't the drivers fault the kid ran into the street. Who's fault was that? Was it the child's? Was it his parent's? Was it the school, or the church, or his friend's, or his friend's parent's? In the case of the kid getting hit and dying in CA, it's a shame. In my personal opinion, making the driver out to be 100% responsible, or really 1% responsible is hard for me to do. Busting him for a general offense, like reckless driving, reckless endangerment, speeding, etc is perfectly acceptable. The kid shouldn't be running out into moving traffic. Would the kid have lived if he would have run infront of the car when it was doing 40mph? I just don't understand the direct linking of blame do a non-direct illegal action of a driver. Now had the driver veered off and killed the child it would be completely different. In that case the driver's speed could be directly associated with the death. In the case of the Dakota, the same as above is fine with me. I think he should get the legitimate book thrown at him. Honestly, making him out to be a murderer is stupid. He's a moron for sure, but you know, I've done the exact same. I'm sure sometime I've done 100 in a 45 somewhere. It takes all of 14sec for my car to hit that speed from a dead stop. Well under 10 from a hiway roll. How many of us have noted really dumb speed limits before? I have very little pity for people that do not watch what they are doing on the roads. How many times had that lady pulled out in front of other people causing panic situations and/or accidents? As brutal as it may sound, had she lived I would have liked to see her charged with failure to yield, careless driving, and reckless endangerment. Just because somebody get's hurt, or the worst of it, doens't let them off in my book. How many times have you or I been speeding along and some j-rod pulls out in front of you, not even checking the passing lane in case you were coming? You slam on your brakes and wonder, if you had hit that guy, would you have had the book thrown at you? Quite frankly, I'm getting tired of the Joe Schmoe deciding to get outraged and rile up another whole group of people trying to figure out a way to let themselves, and the rest of the no attention paying Corolla driving zombies (no offense to Corolla drivers, just ramdom choice of economobile) off the hook when they get hit because they weren't paying attention. It's completely understandable that people within a society do and should have the right to decide what is acceptable in public places such as roads, but when the interest of a few big-mouthed, get everybody riled up about people who actually enjoy life losers use their collective power to attempt to represent the greater populations interest, it really pisses me off. What you really get is the far right wing, who feel that they have the right to dictate everything in society because they have the notion that they are such self-rightous individual's everybody should live the way they do. I'm sorry, but I really don't think everybody in this country really wants to have a beige house, drive a Toyota Corolla, have 3 kids, a CR-V, eat only white meat, mow their laws with Honda Harmony's, own high efficiency toilets, go to church 3 times a week, and get their enjoyment from family sing-a-longs. It's getting to the point now where it's becoming the trend. A small group of self-righteous feeling people with big mouths are dictating that you cannot spank your children, you cannot send them to bed with no dinner, you cannot snowmobile here or there, no jet skies, big wake zones, no fishing, no camping, no speeding (cause if you do we'll lock you up and throw away the key when some idiot who's not watching the road pulls out in front of you gets killed), no this, no that, better do this, or you better have that are controlling what we can and cannot do. |
Unit, I always knew you were cool. Very well spoken.
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Actually it's vehicular manslaughter. Homicide is the killing of a human being by another human being. manslaugther is the UNLAWFUL killing of human being by another human being WITHOUT malice aforthought. He wasn't planning to commit murder(the unlawful killing of a human being by another human being WITH malice aforthought). It was his negligence and gross negligence behind the wheel that made him commit the crime. just my input.
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I agree with Unit... I think we as a society are too apt to point fingers and instill blame. Do I think the guy with the dakota should be puished? Absolutely. Do I think he should spend hard time in prison? Absolutely Not...
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Aur, you say he should be punished, and I assume you are a street racer because you post a lot in this forum, and I also assume there have been plenty of times when you were just like that guy in that dakota and you screwed with that rice boy, or you messed with that vette. Well my point is, what happens if it was you? I know there has been plenty of times when I get someone going and think that they are ready to run and then after the light turns I find myself doing 100+ m.p.h. before realizing that he didn't take. Is it his fault he was having "fun" with 13Sec95Vert and he caught bad luck? It can happen to any of us, and every time we race when that light turns green we take the risk that something like that can happen. I truly believe that every time we do race on the street we gamble with the safety of us, our passengers and others. That doesn't mean that I don't contradict myself every time I pull up next to that mustang or rice boy or whatever, but where do we determine when someone should get punished or not?? I just feel that if we were all in the same situation we would feel a lot differently and wheter or not he should get punished is still a matter of opinion (and you are entitled to your opinion), but if you were the guy who t-boned the lady, would you think you should be punised?
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"vehicular homicide" Man unit, i always agree with you, it's like i knew you had something for everyone, before i even read it http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif cool like that. but hey fostang, go d/l the streetracing video on this site, the camaro loses control, kills a kid, the narrator of that vid said he would be charged with vehicular homicide, then again that doesnt mean thats what happened, or what he got convicted. man this is a wakeup call definately, some guy at our local cruise spot ate it on a rice rocket doing about 100 mph, he was drinking, but (not racing) just didnt make a turn, a fellow racer in a TT supra rushed him to the hospital, he was very banged up with broke bones, and was wearing (no) helmet (stupid)...
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Different states have different technical verbage surrounding criminal offenses.
Excessive Acceleration Unreasonable Acceleration Unnecessary Acceleration There is another name for it, dang it, it's in the back of my head. Has do to with showing off. Kinda like Demonstration of Speed or something like that. In this case, that's probably where the verbage difference between criminal vehicular homicide, and vehicular manslaughter comes into play. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/wink.gif As far as punishing the driver of the Dakota... I'm afraid if you want to drive your car up to 100mph on a city street, you're taking a lot of risks, and you know you're breaking the law. Careless driving must be cited here if you are above 20mph over the speed limit. Driving over 100mph is probably grounds for a reckless. On a hiway, I'd disagree depending on the scenerio. I'd say speeding, reckless driving, and probably reckless endangerment. Not what I'd like to see on my ticket for pulling something like that, but deserved, probably. [This message has been edited by Unit 5302 (edited 05-28-2001).] |
In RI you can get a ticket for "due care from stop to start". I got a ticket from a cop one day when I spun them a little in the rain BY ACCIDENT. And if you get caught racing around here you get about 10 violations, no way I could even possibly name them all.
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Hey Unit, I think it's "exhibition of speed" that you're referring to.
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DAM UNIT!! I can't believe i read the whole thing! You pretty much summed it up for a lot of us. I know those were my sentiments also. I have nearly been in countless accidents because some idiot is not paying attention to his/her surroundings. Sorry to hear about the woman passing away, that was sad. Light Em Up!!! http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif
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Whoo Hoo! Nailed it right on the head, thanks Rev |
UNIT, I THINK THE TERM YOU ARE LOOKING FOR IS (EXHIBITION OF ACCELERATION), THATS WHAT THEY CALL EM IN TEXAS. I WATCHED A BUDDY OF MINE GET ONE OF THOSE FOR DOING DONUTS ON THE BEACH. DAMM THAT COST HIM.
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Here..allow me to put it like this
Now this is for Florida, so it may vary a bit. "Vehicular Homicide" also known as "manslaughter" is the killing of a human being caused by the operation of a motor vehicle by another by in a reckless manner (i.e.speeding) likely to cause the death of,or great bodily harm to, another. just keep us in the light. p.s unless he can prove culpable negligence, well even with that, he still is looking at 3-5(strictly my opinion) and not that of www.mustangworks.com LOL |
It really all depends on the verbage your state chooses to use. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/wink.gif
I'm glad so many people seem to agree with what I'm saying. Next time your representatives drop in, let them know how you feel, write them a letter. It doesn't seem fair that we have to go out of our way to protect our rights from crazy's out there, but it's either put in a little more effort than what we should have to, or lose our rights I think at this point. |
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