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Do Mustangs Have What It Takes
I dont have a mustang but plan on buying one before Christmas, a 95 GT to be exact. Anyway my goal is to have the fastest car in my (high) school by next year. When I tell people this they laugh and say Mustangs are not that fast, get a Firebird. Now I am starting to wonder can a I full fill my goal (there are no major modified cars except for some rice rocket, mainly the competetion is trucks, a bmw and LT-1s). I will probaly be able to spend 2-3 thousand on mods unless my business does good which then who knows.
So the question is can a Mustang (nothing below '94) do what I want (low 12s) with around 3,000 in mods. Thanx -Ace |
Hey I am also going for the fastest car in my high school but I have a new WS6 and a Z28 to contend with. From the competition you have a good chance at being the fastest in your school but low 12s is pushing it. They are 15 sec cars stock. Shoot for mid to low thirteens which may be achievable with NOS or ZEX. My .02. Also they look so much better than little birdies.
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A real good driver can pull a 14 out of an SN95 5.0 stock.
I don't see you getting to low 12's with it unless you choose nitrous. Now a 1994-1995 Cobra, that's another story altogether. |
get the pony, you want have to re-build your engine, every year !if you take care of it gm has not had anything worth a crap since 1970 & ricer's are'nt much better i know from 40 year's of expeience get the pony.
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Low 12's for 3 grand?
3.73's installed 500 bucks slicks and 15" wheels 500 bucks 150 hp nitrous kit 700 bucks aftermarket heads 1000 bucks aftermarket intake 500 bucks There you go. Assuming it's a stick car, and you can install the rest of the stuff. ------------------ 1988 Mustang GT 11.8 @ 123 (7/14/01) 1992 BadAzz Wrangler 1993 Explorer See my car at: www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?179 |
why do you say nothing older than 94? (the model year you're thinking of is 94-95) the problem is that a 94-95 is a few hundred pounds heavier (and therefore slower) than the previous, 87-93 body style. if you're looking for speed, get a manual hardtop, preferrably an 87-93. if you get an 87-93, you will not only save some money (how much depends on what year exactly), a quicker car to begin with, and more money to spend on mods.
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I only want the 94 or 95 because I like the design of the SN95, not the Fox style and I want a 5 liter engine, not the 4.6. The car will be manual. Maybe low 12s are pushing it, but are real low 13s? I may do nitrous but I would prefer not too, but if I have too. What is the quarter mile times for the new Camaros, because thats my real competetion.
Thanks again P.S. I live in Houston, Texas (Sugar Land to be exact) and would like to see the street races. Anyone know where they are, exact directions would help. You can email me at ace2600@hotmail.com |
I forget what magazine it was, but I am pretty sure it was car and driver that did a special a year or maybe more ago on the 10 fastest cars that are not super expensive to buy. I remember the Lightning was last and either a Lamborgini or Viper was first, but the new trans am and camaro models were in it too. And if I dont recall correctly, they were the ram air edititons. The Camaro ran a 13.5 STOCK and believe it or not the trans am ran a 13.3 STOCK. I remember this article clearly because I read over 3 times just to figure out what the editors could not figure out either as to why the camaro was a bit slower. I think the camaro is a bit lighter too..oh well. There are your times.
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With the 5.0L in the 94/95 GT's you could always buy the Holley Systemax kit or Edelbrock kit or whatever. In MM&FF a car with the Edel kit ran a 13.5 with exhaust, gears, and drag radials.
The systemax kit goes for around $2000 and gears and exhaust you might get for around $1000. That would put you in the low to mid 13's no problem. Buy the MM&FF 5.0 Tech guide and read it. ------------------ 1995 Mustang GT |
Hey 95mustanggt, where can you get a copy of the MM&FF 5.0 Tech guide?
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You never mentioned what these ricers, LT1's and other cars have done to them....are they stock? Depending what they have done to them, I don't know if you'l have the fastest car, but I think you could easily get your Stang into the low 13's w/ $3k (nice set of heads; new intake, MAF, TB; nice pair of tires in the rear; and 3.73 gears!
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If I had access to a scanner I'd scan it in PDF format and post it. ------------------ 1995 Mustang GT |
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Now in your situation, just forget about low 12s for $3000 or less in a '94-95 Mustang GT for now. Shooting for low 13s would be a sensible goal. MAKE SURE YOU GET A MANUAL 5-SPEED HARDTOP, NOT CONVERTIBLE. As already briefly mentioned by exgmguy: "3.73's installed 500 bucks slicks and 15" wheels 500 bucks <--- assuming only 2 tires and rims (not 4) 150 hp nitrous kit 700 bucks* aftermarket heads 1000 bucks* aftermarket intake 500 bucks*" *But what sucks is that all this assumes (except for the gears and wheels) you do all the work yourself or get it done for free (no labor charge). Gears, free flowing exhaust, Cobra intake, and drag radials would be what I'd be looking at buying with that kind of budget (heads would set you back monetarily a bunch). With good driving skill, that'd put you in the high 13s... and that ain't no dog, that's respectable competition. And a few months down the road, save up for aftermarket heads and nitrous BAM! = high 12s = fastest car in your school (hopefully). Truly, good things come to those who wait a little. Do it right and don't focus on being top dog with just one swing. And if you get beat, hey, let them talk trash, those are the guys I enjoy embarassing the most. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/wink.gif ----------------------------------------- 351W-powered 1979 Ford Mustang notchback Stock 5.8L under custom made 4" cowl, C4 w/ shift kit Holley 750 cfm, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake 1 5/8" MAC shorty headers, Al driveshaft 2.5" Off road H-pipe, 2-chamber Flowmasters Front: 225/60/15, Rear: 255/60/15 Eagle GT II Weld wheels (15x6;15x8), 8.8" Rear w/ 3.55s 14 x 4” K&N air filter. Only a couple of weeks b4 Project FOX begins!!! http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/cool.gif "Red, thou art my companion. Hasten now your quickened metamorphosis to Green that I may conquer all who dare abide there beside me. May they be left thither behind burnt black." ---Fox Body [This message has been edited by Fox Body (edited 09-10-2001).] |
The integra (ricer) is modified but only exhaust and a fiberglass body, the firebirds arent modified except for maybe an exhaust and sound system. Trucks are jacked up and there are 2 with v10s (im not sure if they are fast though). I am getting a hardtop and standard. I have 10 to 11 thousand to spend on the car (including purchase), could I buy a 94 or 95 cobra with that?
I am still looking at going to see some street racing this Saturday. I would appreciate directions or advice! |
I live in Houston, Texas to those that want to help me with Street racing places, and you can email me at ace2600@hotmail.com
Thanks, -Ace |
Go with the stang! Birds are no challenge, for stangs, unless you go back in years and i mean 70's and are beafed up. I have a friend with a 97 Z28 he only has intake and exausted done and he ripps up birds left and right even stock 5.0
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Just keep in mind that the 98 or 99 and newer GM's with the LS1 will tear you apart. They can and will run low 13's and even a high 12 in stock form.
Bill ------------------ 00 GT, MAC Offroad H, Steeda Pulleys & Timing Adjuster, C&L 80mm, 4.30’s, Flows w/turndowns, UPR shifter, UPR Pro Series LCA’s, Lakewood 70/30’s & 50/50’s, 253.8 RWHP/292.8RWTQ Best ET 12.91 Best MPH 105.49 M/M 100, 7085 2001 Mod Motor Shootout 2V NA Champion |
MARTY , MARTY, MARTY. =(
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you could always just o-ring your heads, install a big fat intercooled procharger, clutch, 3.27 gear, and some drag radials.. you'll have the cheby boys running skeered.
but seriously, there are many ways to go about making one fast.. it's just a matter of asking yourself one question: "Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go?" What kind of budget are you working with? I know for a HS kid insurance on a Mustang isn't necesarially cheap, so mods are probably going to be limited (unless you're one of those lucky kids who can get their parents to take care of everything.) If that is the case, just install a stroked 351 with a blower and all the accompanying mods. You'll get em http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif ------------------ 93 Reef Blue Notchback, 74k miles (August 2001), TFS TW Heads, TFS Stage 1 Cam, TFS Track Heat Intake, 1.6 RR's, 70mm TB, Cold Air ,76mm MAF Meter, 24lb injectors, 255lph in-tank, AFPR, Edelbrock Water Pump, Be Cool Radiator, Mac 1 5/8" Long Tube Headers, 2.5" Pro Chamber, Flowmaster 2 CH 2.5" Cat Back, 3.73 , Alum Driveshaft, Auburn Differential, 17x9 Cobra Rs with Nitto 555s, Tri-Ax Shifter. Got to make a pass finally! 8.44 @ 85mph on regular radials. My new website: <A HREF="http: [This message has been edited by dashapht (edited 09-16-2001).] |
hey 89 look i didn't mean to dis gm's ok i work on them all the time just this weekend has sucked, because i defended, a soilder which , as you know i was in the military, myself so iv'e been everybody's target for the weekend , itold you i grew up with many badass chevy's it's just , yhay it was , late & i was tired & all the guy's at work dog me because i drive ,ford's there are many chevy's i like & respect i missed a good deal on a 56 ,2 door the other day , but did'nt have the buck's for it 2000 , it was freshely painted ,vette rally's & no running gear except ,rear end i would have been proud to own it . buy it's gone now. i will not dog chevy's anymore ok -promise just don't dog me on the board again , e- mail me & dog me in private ok . got my stereo straight , how about your's let me know see ya.
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Actually, you working on the GM's all the time is actually proof they are junk compared to the Ford. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif
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Oh, by the way ace2600, you won't be able to get any real Cobra in decent shape with that amount of money. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/frown.gif The Cobra's are limited production collectors cars in a lot of cases, especially the 5.0 Cobras and the 1993 in particular.
The 1994-1995 GT's are identical, so I'd focus on getting either year. You should be able to find one with decent mileage 60k-80k for about $7000 comin up here real quick. With the additional $4000 you can put it into the 12's no problems. Possibly the 11's. If the price is 10k, make an offer of 7k and walk if they don't take it. They will NOT be able to move a Mustang GT off the lot during the winter in the snow states, and they are more than likely to take your offer just to get rid of it. |
thank's UNIT5302 i won't say anything about that subject anymore ,but i guess you said it for us all , i don't want to p o anyone off anymore , i never meant to but , iv' e taken my flogging for the weekend i'm just here to chat about stang's thank's saw your packer's joke, good one ,oh hell reggie white just knocked on my front door, see ya. ,well maybe , i have to see what reggie's going to do!
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94-95's are nice cars and theyre only 200 lbs heavier than a fox. Theyre much more refined as well. With the right heads, cam, intake, and injectors you should be able to hit mid to high 12's on drag radials and maybe 11's with a 100 shot.
My car is almost done, I will post the results so you can compare if you like. But I've got a little more than 3 grand in mine. By the time you add up the Longtubes w cats and cat back exh, heads, intake, injectors, TB, MAF, and all the other bullshit your gonna need it gets EXPENSIVE. But its the same with all cars so theres no escaping it. Good luck. ------------------ 95GT, TFS T.W. heads, Holley Intake, B303 cam, FRPP 30lb injectors, Scorpion 1.6 rollers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, March Pulleys, MSD coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550 trans, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors. 190lph pump, BBK adj FPR. |
a little fact for ya:
1995 mustang gt runs 14.8-15.2 1995 camaro z28 runs 13.8-14.1 so you will have to make up a full second to a stock LT1.Throw some mods in the mix and who knows. I would start out with a faster year. most fox bodies are faster and cheaper to make fast. but if you go with the 95 you will have to do quite a bit of modding to even play with the stock f-bods |
Grrrrrrr, choices choices.
I have been reading everything I can on Mustangs for the past 3 months, but nothing on Camaros. I personally feel that the Mustangs look better, however looks dont matter when your kicking someones @$$. What is the best year to mod on a Camaro or Firebird for under 10 grand? How much does a 95 LT1 cost? What to do, what to do. -Ace P.S. I am not one of the kids with those parents, the mods are coming from my pocket so if I work real hard maybe I could spend 4 grand. Thanks again. |
I got my 95z28 w/ 38k miles for 11K. As far as the best year for mods 94-95 because OBD1 pcm and the fact that it only has a single cat although 96-97 and some 95's had 2 cats and had 10 more hp if that matters to ya at all.
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We could sit and argue about what Camaros run and what Mustangs run all day.
Most 1/4 mile times I've seen on the LT1 is about 14.2-14.4. The mystical 13.8 cars exist somewhere I'm sure. There are mid 13 stock Fox bodies too, but back here in the real world of driving to pull even with a 1995 LT-1 it's gonna take gears, and thats about it. My car is a low 14 car and I eat LT-1's up like nobody's business. From a stop, from a roll, from a 60 punch, from an 80 punch. Until I shift into 4th gear on my 87GT I pull them. If they are high 13 low 14 cars I'd expect them to at least hang with me from a roll. I'm sure there are a few fast ones out there somewhere, I just haven't run into any of them yet, and I've beaten at least 10 or 15 of them. If you have 4k left over for mods you will own almost anything on the road. 2k will get you deep into the 13's. 12's if you work hard on it. |
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My car (hardtop manual w 308's) hit a 14.6 without powershifting totaly stock, paper filter, and radials. Quick LT1's run 14.1 stock. Sure some hit 13's but then again some stock 99-01 GTs hit 13's too. Its not the norm. I was beating LT1's with only a chip, drop in filter and an off road H pipe. I will however agree that the LT1's are faster stock and are the superior car stock, but I sure as hell didnt have to drop a full second to catch em. ------------------ 95GT, TFS T.W. heads, Holley Intake, B303 cam, FRPP 30lb injectors, Scorpion 1.6 rollers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, March Pulleys, MSD coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550 trans, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors. 190lph pump, BBK adj FPR. |
Well the last 2 post have made up my mind, a 94 or 95 Mustang GT is what I am going to get. Its wierd, over the past few months of learning about Mustangs and talking to owners (with tears in my eyes http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif )I have come to feel like a Stang brother. Now all that is left is some money, blood, sweat, and more money to get my car to her goal!
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good choice , all i'm going to say is my00 has faced about 4 brand x's smoked them, not 6 banger's either, nough said .good luck.
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If all you care about is having the fastest car, go buy a Vega and drop a 350 in it. Bone stock it will pull low 12's. A few bucks more and you're into the 11's, all for less money than a Mustang or an F-body.
Otherwise, bust your *** with your "business", buy a Mustang, and go get yourself a blow job. There's no replacement for displacement, even if it is achieved by compressing the intake charge. Take care ~Chris ------------------ Retired Moderator MustangNet My site: JimPorterRacing RACECAR spelled backwards is RACECAR HEY !!! Are you ASE Certified ??? If you are, ask me about iATN. The best tool you'll ever have, and it's free !!! |
THIS GUY MAKES ME LAUGH LOL
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sad , but true camaro boy, get on your chevy page . i got the proof , hell afreind of mine who own's a-z71 4 wheel drive chevy truck was ,with me in the car so you, make me laugh ha, ha, ha my rear bumper say's chevy view.he,he. FORD' RULE.SORRY 89 HE HAD IT COMING.bring it on .
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Ok Ok, calm down guys. No need for the never ending Camaro Vs Stang wars, I think we all know that LS1's are a lot faster than new GT's but anything can happen, hell Lizard King hit a 13.6 w a stock 00 GT, go figure. Its just not the norm but it can happen.
Ace, good luck. Just make sure you get a Hartop manual and throw a shitload of money at it http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif ------------------ 95GT, TFS T.W. heads, Holley Intake, B303 cam, FRPP 30lb injectors, Scorpion 1.6 rollers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, March Pulleys, MSD coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550 trans, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors. 190lph pump, BBK adj FPR. |
your right fastang but why is , a camaro guy even on here , should i go get on a chevy site? is he a wannabe stang guy or what? i mean i don't want any b,s, about this but you wont find me on corvette weekly, the guy made his up his mind to get a stang so that should have , been the end of it.maybe i will meet camaro on the highway one day, hell i ain't mad about it just told the fact's, about a few race's iv'e been in .no big deal i like running the tojo car's better anyway , more competition oh well see ya man.oh yeah didn't UNIT5302 not say he has smoked 10 or 15 brand x , i have only ran 4 & beat them & the feared ta was another victim . have a good one.
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I hang out with F-body drivers all the time,
the LS1 is a car to watch out for, a good driver, in a 6 speed with a cat-back and a K&N filter should easily run 13.2 or faster on street tires. if he's a REALLY good driver, 12's are attainable with little bolt-ons. so if you want to beat these cars, you'll have to make over 300 rwhp. to get that kind of power, you'll need no less than: 1. aftermarket heads with 2.02 intake valves (ported if possible) 2. high flow intake manifold that can rev to 6000 rpm, that means a performer RPM upper/lower intake with a matching Throttle body and Air Flow Meter. 3. a cam with no less than 498 lift and 220 duration or somewhere in that area. 4. you'll need to have some gearing help with the launch... 3.73's would be a good place to start, and 4.10's would be really REALLY good but it'll make the car a pain in the arse to drive on the highway and mileage will suffer. 5. no less than a 190lph in-tank fuel pump,and possibly 24lb injectors with the flow meter matched to work with them. at this point, with a full weight car..you should be well into the low 13's or high 12's with a 5 speed car and a clutch that doesnt slip with that kind of power. you may already be looking at a king cobra clutch or better. you can get this car, and 2 drivers, on driver might barely get into the 13's with it, another driver could run a high 12 on motor. drivers win races. |
I have that combo, and now my stock clutch is slipping on ET streets =[
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so go ahead and continue to be a dick if you want. I sure as hell hope others on this board are cooler than you. |
Yes, yes. The LS-1 is a monster. They are unbeatable from a roll. Well, my sorry 87GT has 3 LS1's under it's belt. Well 2 real races, 1 chase.
Again, it would seem to be a case of the mystical "fast" GM. From the reports, most of the track savy have come back with put the LS1's in the high 13 zone with an average driver. Some are even into the low 14 zone until they figure out how to launch them. Mr 5.0 has posted about a bone stock 87LX that he watched his friend beat to a 13.8 at a local drag strip. Great drivers exist, but let's come back to reality. As much as we all want to believe we're that good, chances are we're nowhere near that. The LS1 community reminds me a lot of the ricer community in the way they post the performance of the cars. The very fastest performance humanly possible, stock (meaning minor bolt ons and tuneing to them). When times are given here in Mustangland, it's average performance with a good driver. I don't tell people their Fox 5.0 is a 14 flat or high 13 second car stock. That's simply because there is a 99.9% chance they'll never be able to drive it to the limits well enough to get that time. So when the general rule is applied to the Mustang's performance, and the GM guys come along talking about low 13's high 12's stock on paper it looks impossible for a Mustang to beat one. As far as needing 300rwhp to run high 12's in a Mustang LOL!!!! Where have you been? In a fox 250hp can put you into the 12's. 300rwhp can easily put a Mustang into the low/mid 12's. You're talking about 360hp at the crank. My car has the capability to run mid 13's and trap 102. I know it does, just not with this gearing, and I'm making maybe 215rwhp. The SN95's require about 15-20 more rwhp than a Fox does to do the same, but you can't compare a Mustang to an F body hp to hp because the Mustang has a 200-400lb weight advantage. ------------------ 1987 GT 5spd. D&D Performance "Z" spec T-5 Dynomax 2.5" Super Turbo system BBK 2 1/2" H-pipe with cats |
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Welcome to the family Ace. ----------------------------------------- 351W-powered 1979 Ford Mustang notchback Stock 5.8L under custom made 4" cowl, C4 w/ shift kit Holley 750 cfm, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake 1 5/8" MAC shorty headers, Al driveshaft 2.5" Off road H-pipe, 2-chamber Flowmasters Front: 225/60/15, Rear: 255/60/15 Eagle GT II Weld wheels (15x6;15x8), 8.8" Rear w/ 3.55s 14 x 4” K&N air filter. Only a couple of weeks b4 Project FOX begins!!! http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/cool.gif "Red, thou art my companion. Hasten now your quickened metamorphosis to Green that I may conquer all who dare abide there beside me. May they be left thither behind burnt black." ---Fox Body |
Re camaro guy no#1 you jumped on my reply , iwasn't talking to you # 2 don't call me a dick ok mr richard cranium # 3 i have owned more chevy's than you have ever seen all fast one's, chevelle'snova's impala's and a 56 my best freind drives a z-71 chevy 4x4 i love to go riding in it , it's anice truck ,so think about who jumped on who you, have the issue's ok . i have been street racing for almost 30 year's it's called driver experience you learn little trick's over the year's hell ibeat a 5.0 because he did'nt know how to shift . so if you want to talk cars sensebly we will talk , if not btother me no more.by the way read what unit5302 wrote in his last reply a yung man with kwowledge driver's have alot to do with the end result LEARN.
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