Is Giggle Juice Fair? - Page 2

this is not cbring · 10-29-2002, 07:57 PM

personally, i'd never buy nitrous and don't like the stuff.........

i think it is too much money for what it is (remember, i'm not much of a drag strip guy......more of a drive around cones, thrash through the mountains kinda guy)...........i'd rather spend a few hundred bucks on something that i can enjoy the benefits all the time........like suspension stuff for my veedub, or in my monte, headwork

Skyman · 10-29-2002, 08:13 PM

Why do you care so much, Im not flaming here, but I dont see what your missing?

Some horse power is cheaper than others.

I can make a 12 second stang a lot cheaper than a 12second civic, so is that cheating?

I got a really good deal on my TFS heads, so is that cheating?

You fill your gas tank just like a nitrous tank. Obviously your not into it, so to each his own.

My car goes low 12's on motor and should hit low 11's maybe a high 10 when I ever run it on the juice at the track. I had a guy whineing about my n20 when I beat his 440cube big block, I could care less.

Skyler

Eric4Nitrous · 10-29-2002, 08:21 PM

I use nitrous becuase it's cheaper than buying a turbo or blower. And because it's effective. I've sent turbo cars and blower cars with their heads between their tails home at the track. So is that cheating because i had nitrous??

10-29-2002, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skyman
Why do you care so much, Im not flaming here, but I dont see what your missing?

Some horse power is cheaper than others.

I can make a 12 second stang a lot cheaper than a 12second civic, so is that cheating?

I got a really good deal on my TFS heads, so is that cheating?

You fill your gas tank just like a nitrous tank. Obviously your not into it, so to each his own.

My car goes low 12's on motor and should hit low 11's maybe a high 10 when I ever run it on the juice at the track. I had a guy whineing about my n20 when I beat his 440cube big block, I could care less.

Skyler

**This had to be edited. "Little Trooper" was deemed offensive

Whoa, take it easy **, this isn't personal.

I'll concede it is CHEAP HP. I guess my 'lil V-6 will be happier in the 12's without the laughing gas than in the 11's with it.

Maybe I'll go try the D size Estes rocket engines. Use'em once, toss'em out.

This discussion's going nowhere fast.....can someone close it?
__________________
Dean
1989 PAS Turbo T/A #1233
*12.93@104mph 3.8 V-6
1987 Grand National

http://www.krif.com/tta/

Skyman · 10-29-2002, 08:43 PM

Did I say it was personal? Did I get mad no? Go call someone else little trooper and pull your head out of your ***, now you did make it personal *******.

Skyler

10-29-2002, 08:59 PM

Oh my, this appears to be getting off topic and someone's getting upset. Is there no sense of humor here?

I raced a guy with a supercharged Saleen Mustang. We talked after and he was real cool.

I didn't know people were so passionate about their laughing gas. Heck, I was just trying to understand the need or want for the stuff. Nevermind that I asked.

__________________
Dean
1989 PAS Turbo T/A #1233
*12.93@104mph 3.8 V-6
1987 Grand National

http://www.krif.com/tta/

Eric4Nitrous · 10-29-2002, 09:15 PM

Don't talk about the laughing gas..you'll get ***** slapped.

10-29-2002, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Eric4Nitrous
Don't talk about the laughing gas..you'll get ***** slapped.

Now THAT's a sense of humor! My faith is restored

__________________
Dean
1989 PAS Turbo T/A #1233
*12.93@104mph 3.8 V-6
1987 Grand National

http://www.krif.com/tta/

95GTS · 10-30-2002, 02:02 PM

For what it's worth for those that don't understand N2O (Nitrous Oxide) it's the same thing as putting a supercharger or turbo on your motor. It's all forced air induction but a different way of doing. More Oxygen into the motor helps more added fuel which in turn increases power. A SC or turbo "blows" the extra O2 where as the N2O "injects" the extra O2. They are all three doing the same thing. Adding extra air (oxygen) to burn more fuel to add more power. Plain and simple. I"ve never understood why some people are against N2O. If they are they should be against supercharging and turbos. It's ALL forced induction. Nitrous is not any more "weak" than a turbo or supercharger. I'm surprised as to how many people do not know this about Nitrous Oxide. Too many just don't understand the stuff.

chico · 10-30-2002, 02:10 PM

S/c is there at the throttle 100% of the time...take a nitrous set up against a s/c motor and race for a 100 miles???? Try and find a nitrous station in every town you visit or on atrip..no way jose..

7000rpmisheaven · 10-30-2002, 02:13 PM

You could build a 300 HP street car with the intention of running a 250 shot at the track. It would be a fun yet managable street car, and it would be a monster at the track

You could build a 550 HP turbo car but I doubt its manners on the street are going to be as good as the 300 HP street car.

A 550 HP naturally aspirated car would be down right dangerous on the street.

There are no rules. Period. There is no way it can be cheating. Nitrous just allows you to burn more gas. The same principle behind superchargers and turbos. Its not rocket fuel.

You are probably just jealous that someone got there hands on some power cheaper and easier than you. You won't run it yourself because you are scared you would blow your motor up cause you know nothing about it.

7000rpmisheaven · 10-30-2002, 02:16 PM

Quote:

S/c is there at the throttle 100% of the time...take a nitrous set up against a s/c motor and race for a 100 miles????

I'll keep that in mind the next time I race for 100 miles.

95GTS · 10-30-2002, 02:23 PM

Um, no. You are NOT always running in boost. You're not cruising down the highway at 80 mph and running 8 psi the whole time. No boost at all actually. You would have to be on the throttle accelerating to get into the boost. If you can accelerate the whole 100 miles non-stop my hat's off to ya. Just like you're not running the Nitrous the whole time either. Just under acceleration (WOT). BUT I do understand what you are saying about having the boost there at your beck and call any time you want it. Where as you eventually have to refill the N2O tank from time to time. Unless the motor is under load it's not going to be getting boost.

91GTturbo · 10-30-2002, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chico
S/c is there at the throttle 100% of the time...take a nitrous set up against a s/c motor and race for a 100 miles???? Try and find a nitrous station in every town you visit or on atrip..no way jose..

What happens when the blower car tosses it's belt

?

slow98 · 10-30-2002, 11:01 PM

i really dont understand why you people are arguing about this, everyone agrees that nos is cheap,and i have never heard about it being restricted to anyone, i mean its on the market for everyone to purchase, so if u get out ran by someone with the juice thats your mistake for not having it???? i mean come on if you are worried about getting outran by it then your stupid for not having because its basically the cheapest way to bust some ones azz....no flames intended but dont fukin wine about it when u get ur *** busted because someone else had the common sense to spend 500 bucks and get 100 extra hp...but thats just my opinion

peace

chico · 10-31-2002, 03:34 PM

91gtturbo!.......my entire car shuts down, no power njo nothing....have gone to 8 rib set up (Ford Lightning) no more shredded belts. You guys are exactly right..no boost while crusing,not until I put my foot down a little...but always there, no refills..I was refering to track racing courses that run 100 miles or more..A lot of s/c fords but no no2.

blue oval 50h · 10-31-2002, 04:33 PM

You can end it here, you will never convince this thick-headed buick bafoon. Put up or shut up. By the way buick boy, your car has a power adder. A power adder is a turbo, supercharger or nitrous. Regardless if factory or not, if its not naturally aspirated, it has a power adder!! DUH

10-31-2002, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by blue oval 50h
You can end it here, you will never convince this thick-headed buick bafoon. Put up or shut up. By the way buick boy, your car has a power adder. A power adder is a turbo, supercharger or nitrous. Regardless if factory or not, if its not naturally aspirated, it has a power adder!! DUH

You talking to me or Chico?
__________________
Dean
1989 PAS Turbo T/A #1233
*12.93@104mph 3.8 V-6
1987 Grand National

http://www.krif.com/tta/

chico · 10-31-2002, 06:01 PM

One last comment then I'm out of here..no one is going to win this so called arguement....if it's legal it's fair...example in lifting competition juiceing is not legal ,yet it is still done..is this fair?

Last question? If you add a cam with more lift and duration..a larger carb. , bigger injectors, ported and polished staage 3 heads...cold air induction,etc., etc.. are these not also pwr. adders.......best of luck to the winner.

blue oval 50h · 10-31-2002, 06:14 PM

Whether or not you add a bigger cam, heads, carb or whatever, it is still NATURALY ASPIRATED. It still draws the air in naturaly-no power adder.

View Poll Results: Is the use of NOS considered cheating?
Yes-It doesn't representate true HP	6	16.22%
No-Do what you can to win	29	78.38%
Neither-Not worth finding out on my motor!	2	5.41%
Voters: 37. This poll is closed

10-29-2002, 07:57 PM	#21
this is not cbring Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 380	personally, i'd never buy nitrous and don't like the stuff......... i think it is too much money for what it is (remember, i'm not much of a drag strip guy......more of a drive around cones, thrash through the mountains kinda guy)...........i'd rather spend a few hundred bucks on something that i can enjoy the benefits all the time........like suspension stuff for my veedub, or in my monte, headwork __________________ 2002 vw gti 1.8T

10-29-2002, 08:13 PM	#22
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	Why do you care so much, Im not flaming here, but I dont see what your missing? Some horse power is cheaper than others. I can make a 12 second stang a lot cheaper than a 12second civic, so is that cheating? I got a really good deal on my TFS heads, so is that cheating? You fill your gas tank just like a nitrous tank. Obviously your not into it, so to each his own. My car goes low 12's on motor and should hit low 11's maybe a high 10 when I ever run it on the juice at the track. I had a guy whineing about my n20 when I beat his 440cube big block, I could care less. Skyler __________________ 2001 BMW M3 6spd 12.79@108 RIP ---- 1993 Notch w/ 98 4V 4.6 Fasttt... -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- 12.32@109 -1999 Black Cobra Coupe- JBA Shorties, Bassani Cat-X, Magnaflow 3", Pulleys, 85mm Pro-M, Ported Intake, Soild Rear w/ 4.30s, Tubular Front End, X2C arms, 13lb batt, few others.

10-29-2002, 08:21 PM	#23
Eric4Nitrous Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Va Posts: 1,122	I use nitrous becuase it's cheaper than buying a turbo or blower. And because it's effective. I've sent turbo cars and blower cars with their heads between their tails home at the track. So is that cheating because i had nitrous?? __________________ 68 Camaro Gene Fulton 632ci Two stages of Jug 8.41 164mph Rockingham 1-26-03

10-29-2002, 08:43 PM	#25
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	Did I say it was personal? Did I get mad no? Go call someone else little trooper and pull your head out of your *, now you did make it personal ***. Skyler __________________ 2001 BMW M3 6spd 12.79@108 RIP ---- 1993 Notch w/ 98 4V 4.6 Fasttt... -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- 12.32@109 -1999 Black Cobra Coupe-** JBA Shorties, Bassani Cat-X, Magnaflow 3", Pulleys, 85mm Pro-M, Ported Intake, Soild Rear w/ 4.30s, Tubular Front End, X2C arms, 13lb batt, few others.

10-29-2002, 08:59 PM	#26
20LbsBoost Guest Posts: n/a	Oh my, this appears to be getting off topic and someone's getting upset. Is there no sense of humor here? I raced a guy with a supercharged Saleen Mustang. We talked after and he was real cool. I didn't know people were so passionate about their laughing gas. Heck, I was just trying to understand the need or want for the stuff. Nevermind that I asked. __________________ Dean 1989 PAS Turbo T/A #1233 *12.93@104mph 3.8 V-6 1987 Grand National http://www.krif.com/tta/

10-29-2002, 09:15 PM	#27
Eric4Nitrous Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Va Posts: 1,122	Don't talk about the laughing gas..you'll get ***** slapped. __________________ 68 Camaro Gene Fulton 632ci Two stages of Jug 8.41 164mph Rockingham 1-26-03

10-30-2002, 02:02 PM	#29
95GTS Git jiggy Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: MO USA Posts: 865	For what it's worth for those that don't understand N2O (Nitrous Oxide) it's the same thing as putting a supercharger or turbo on your motor. It's all forced air induction but a different way of doing. More Oxygen into the motor helps more added fuel which in turn increases power. A SC or turbo "blows" the extra O2 where as the N2O "injects" the extra O2. They are all three doing the same thing. Adding extra air (oxygen) to burn more fuel to add more power. Plain and simple. I"ve never understood why some people are against N2O. If they are they should be against supercharging and turbos. It's ALL forced induction. Nitrous is not any more "weak" than a turbo or supercharger. I'm surprised as to how many people do not know this about Nitrous Oxide. Too many just don't understand the stuff. __________________ 1967 Mustang Coupe

10-30-2002, 02:10 PM	#30
chico Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Manteca,Ca. Posts: 114	NO2 S/c is there at the throttle 100% of the time...take a nitrous set up against a s/c motor and race for a 100 miles???? Try and find a nitrous station in every town you visit or on atrip..no way jose.. __________________ 98 cobra convt. 515 rwhp 421 torque..554 rwhp on 98 octane..635 rwhp this summer

10-30-2002, 02:13 PM	#31
7000rpmisheaven Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: germantown MD Posts: 283	You could build a 300 HP street car with the intention of running a 250 shot at the track. It would be a fun yet managable street car, and it would be a monster at the track You could build a 550 HP turbo car but I doubt its manners on the street are going to be as good as the 300 HP street car. A 550 HP naturally aspirated car would be down right dangerous on the street. There are no rules. Period. There is no way it can be cheating. Nitrous just allows you to burn more gas. The same principle behind superchargers and turbos. Its not rocket fuel. You are probably just jealous that someone got there hands on some power cheaper and easier than you. You won't run it yourself because you are scared you would blow your motor up cause you know nothing about it. __________________ 85 GT 4bbl roller cam 2 ch. Flowmasters, O/R H-pipe Performer intake and carb milodon water pump, FMS 9mm wires, aluminum driveshaft, king cobra clutch

10-30-2002, 02:23 PM	#33
95GTS Git jiggy Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: MO USA Posts: 865	Um, no. You are NOT always running in boost. You're not cruising down the highway at 80 mph and running 8 psi the whole time. No boost at all actually. You would have to be on the throttle accelerating to get into the boost. If you can accelerate the whole 100 miles non-stop my hat's off to ya. Just like you're not running the Nitrous the whole time either. Just under acceleration (WOT). BUT I do understand what you are saying about having the boost there at your beck and call any time you want it. Where as you eventually have to refill the N2O tank from time to time. Unless the motor is under load it's not going to be getting boost. __________________ 1967 Mustang Coupe

10-30-2002, 11:01 PM	#35
slow98 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: draper,va,us Posts: 206	i dont understand i really dont understand why you people are arguing about this, everyone agrees that nos is cheap,and i have never heard about it being restricted to anyone, i mean its on the market for everyone to purchase, so if u get out ran by someone with the juice thats your mistake for not having it???? i mean come on if you are worried about getting outran by it then your stupid for not having because its basically the cheapest way to bust some ones azz....no flames intended but dont fukin wine about it when u get ur *** busted because someone else had the common sense to spend 500 bucks and get 100 extra hp...but thats just my opinion peace __________________ 1998 mustang gt/manual..373s,bbk offroad h pipe,flowmaster cat back,c&l 80 mm maf,steeda triax,eibach springs,steeda ud pulleys,upr timing adjuster,screamon demos coil packs,motorsports 9mm plug wires,steea aluminum lca's,steeda heavy duty uca's and just over 100 k on the clock

10-31-2002, 03:34 PM	#36
chico Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Manteca,Ca. Posts: 114	no2 91gtturbo!.......my entire car shuts down, no power njo nothing....have gone to 8 rib set up (Ford Lightning) no more shredded belts. You guys are exactly right..no boost while crusing,not until I put my foot down a little...but always there, no refills..I was refering to track racing courses that run 100 miles or more..A lot of s/c fords but no no2. __________________ 98 cobra convt. 515 rwhp 421 torque..554 rwhp on 98 octane..635 rwhp this summer

10-31-2002, 04:33 PM	#37
blue oval 50h Registered Member Join Date: Dec 1998 Location: NJ Posts: 219	You can end it here, you will never convince this thick-headed buick bafoon. Put up or shut up. By the way buick boy, your car has a power adder. A power adder is a turbo, supercharger or nitrous. Regardless if factory or not, if its not naturally aspirated, it has a power adder!! DUH __________________ 347- 10.63@128 N/A

10-31-2002, 06:01 PM	#39
chico Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Manteca,Ca. Posts: 114	giggle juice One last comment then I'm out of here..no one is going to win this so called arguement....if it's legal it's fair...example in lifting competition juiceing is not legal ,yet it is still done..is this fair? Last question? If you add a cam with more lift and duration..a larger carb. , bigger injectors, ported and polished staage 3 heads...cold air induction,etc., etc.. are these not also pwr. adders.......best of luck to the winner. __________________ 98 cobra convt. 515 rwhp 421 torque..554 rwhp on 98 octane..635 rwhp this summer

10-31-2002, 06:14 PM	#40
blue oval 50h Registered Member Join Date: Dec 1998 Location: NJ Posts: 219	Whether or not you add a bigger cam, heads, carb or whatever, it is still NATURALY ASPIRATED. It still draws the air in naturaly-no power adder. __________________ 347- 10.63@128 N/A

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