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Way to go Skyman,
I was going to tell you that form his mods it should be a mid to low 13's car but I picked the post too late. My car ran 13.69 at 103mph on street tires with 4.10's (6spd), K&N, Flowmaster Muffler and power pully. With a 12.55, there wasn't much to worry about unless he sprayed you. |
Nice kill Sky! Had me an SS last month.....mmmmm good. Those Camaros sure are tasty, aren't they?
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Sure the lt1s might be putting out more hp than stangs...but dont they also have bigger engines? I thought they had 350s....if they do, I would say that stangs hold up pretty good for having a smaller engine. I bet stangs with 351s (near same size) are a ton faster than lots of lt1s...correct me if im wrong.
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Yeah an LT1 is a 350.
Hey what did you do to your lt1 to run that 13.6@103. I dont think this guy was near that fast. I want to figure out some more mods for him to get his car quicker, and he doesnt know much and neither do I. Consider it a stock LT1 with exhaust and gears basically. Sky ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS Heads, E-303, edelbrock intake,70MM TB, 73mm MAF, off road H, headers and 3chamber flows. 12.55@107mph Going for 11's on 87 octane with A/C and 20+MPG!!! |
Skyman,
I listed my main mods but there is plenty of free mods you can do also. Bypass the Throtle body. Basically, the coolant goes through it to prevent fuel from freezing in the winter but in the summer it heats it up for nothing. You redirect the flow around it to bypass it. Good for maybe 1-3 HP in hot weather. Remove the screen from the MAF (Mass Air Flow Sensor). It will give you about 150cfm's more I think, not sure on that. Power pulleys are cheap but try to get the one with the ballancer included, the cheap ones, you have to stick the stock, heavy balancer on top of them! 160 degrees thermostat you can buy for aobut $20 and wire your fans to a switch for free. I ran 5 runs in a row at the track with this setup and the temperature never got over the 1/4 mark! I could've ran all day long. The biggest gain you will ever get with a bolt on is nitrous, the second one on an LT1 is Long tube headers. If you want to open up that baby it's the way to go, it would've been my next mod for sure! Another benefit from getting them is to be able to change your spark plugs a LOT easyer. Make sure the Optispark, wires and plugs are in good condition, these cars are very sensitive to a poor ignition. I am sure I am forgetting some but these are good starter points to go from. Definitely worth a full second when all done together. If you know a machinist, get your MAF ported, fairly easy to do. Oh yeah, NEVER run slicks on a stock diff, you will blow it appart. GM pisses me off for putting sucha weak rear end in such a powerfull car! Don't hesitate to ask more questions if you want. |
descreening maf... TPIS book said 2Xcfm i do believe. Not much at all.
TB bypass.. done it.. cant hurt. Pullys.. unless you can get a used set for ~$50, dont waste your $. The 10bolt may be weak, but if the gears are setup properly, it'll take alot of abuse.. way more than one would think. Ppl with autos pull 1.4X 60's on them.. preload is wonderful. I launch my 6spd at 3800-4500rpm on slicks.. with 4.10's no less (thinner teeth), and have no problems. I dont expect it to last forever however http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/wink.gif Boltons are nice... but the power is in the heads/cam ..... id save $ and go for the good stuff http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/wink.gif If he wants to stay n/a.... used n2o kit ~$300.. not too bad. |
SkarodoM,
I don't agree with all you said. All those little mods add up together and in the end you may be looking at an extra 15 HP which can definitely win a race. You won't feel any buttometer difference but your timeslips will show a couple of tenths less. As far as the screen on the MAF, it is a FREE mod and the F-Body FAQ listed a significant increase in CFM. If you have a Cold Air Intake, the main restriction on the intake flow is the MAF. As far as the slicks are concerned, I had ordered a pair of Mickey Thompson's ET Streets the day before I crashed my car so I was going to risk it like you and run it until it breaks but I am not going to recommend anybody to do so. As Skyman said himself, him and his buddy don't know much about these cars so I made sure to underline the weakness of the 7.5" ring in the stock rear-end. Especially with the 4.10's. Oh, another free mod I forgot is relocating the Air Temperature Sensor away from the Throtle body as it picks up false heat comming from it. If the Computer thinks the air comming in is warmer than it really is, it will retard the timing more than it needs to. |
dude, i never said NOT to do the little things did i. The one thing i said was a waste was under drive pullys.
As far as the MAF screen, TPIS, who PROBABLY knows what theyre talkin about, said they got another 2Xcfm from it. Again, did i say not to do it? |
I agree, you never said not to do it but your tone was that it is not worth it and that the pulleys are not worth it.
I think it is woth it. That's all I am saying, it is a matter of opinion more than anything else. At the very least, it is a great way to start learning about the car. I am not attacking your credibility in any way, I am just sharing tips with another Camaro Lover. If you think I did, I apologise for comming across that way. Oh yeah, I do agree with the NOS part! http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif |
Hey camaro guys, Have you done the 100 ohm resistor inline with the wiring going to the knock sensor to keep the computer from pulling timing between shifts? I've heard this one works but don't know exactly where to find the wire to tap into.
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This is for you 5.0 killer, When you say a stock LT1 is faster than a 225 horse mustang you are correct, but there is one thing you are overlooking, A new Camaro or Firebird is FAR more expensive that a new mustang, A fully loaded GT can be had for 24,000 where as a fully loaded F-Body for 32,000+. If we take the money left over from buying the better Mustang and spend it on our cars we will see who will win. By the way where is the camaro going in 2004? Oh yeah that's right, there won't be a camaro BECAUSE THEY ARE CHEAP AND EXPENSIVE PIECES OF GARBAGE!!
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It's not even worth replying to an ignorant post like that.
I never did the resistor, some companies claim gains but there was a big debate on camaroz28.com about it and in the end, people agreed that it was a scam. This is one free mod not worth it. |
Ha! Can't resist!
Mustang GT MSRP Base: $23,230 Camaro Z28 MSRP Base: $23,445 Sources: www.ford.com and www.chevrolet.com You'll need a lot more than that $200 difference in mods to make up for the .6 to .8 second difference on the 1/4 mile. |
A total of 45,417 Camaros were built for worldwide distribution in 2000 and let's see a total of 218,525 mustangs were produced, now if the camaro is so great why does it not even compare in sales or production to the mustang, clearly Ford must be doing something right to constantly eat the competition year after year.
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Stang Dan...
I like both, but c'mon.. ppl point out those numbers constantly, enough already. Ferrari doesnt make 200,000 rides /year total, i guess they arent as good as the new stangs eh http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/wink.gif |
Skar I also like both i just hate the people that try to say that camaro's are a better value, Camaro's are faster but there sales are just not there, that is a fact. When you talk about Fine Italian SuperCars you are not comparing apples to apples. Let's not forget the Camaro and the Mustang have been rivals since the camaro's introduction. No one talks about Ferrari's and Lambo's because they are way out of the Mustang and Camaro league.
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I intentionally used an extreme example. B/c IMO its just as stupid to argue that one is better over sales numbers y'know. I like both.. i dont care how many they sell, that really isnt my problem =P Build a car with good performance that acts and feels like a sporty sedan, and you'll sell more than a slightly more focused machine... but again.. ppbbffffftt http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif
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There is many reasons why the Mustang outsells the Camaro. If you are too stupid to figure it out for yourself it's not my problem. Nobody ever said the Z is better product than the Mustang. You just come on here and start saying stupid ignorant opinions, don't expect to be respected in return. I'll tell you one thing, if the Z dies, everybody loses, including the Mustang Crowd. When a Chevy and a Ford line up, people get to their feet to watch it and root for their favorite side. May the competition between Ford and Chevy live forever! http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif |
OK, this one has strayed a bit off the original topic and is destined for destruction.
Both sides have raised relevant opinions and facts to the Chevy vs. Ford rivalry. I too would hate to see the f-body go, too much history behind it and frankly I enjoy the competition. Forget the "Camaro's are better because...." and "Mustangs are better because....", everyone has there opinions which probably won't be changed, and, for good reason. There are simply no "right or wrong" answers on this one. Who will fill this void? Dare I say the "I" word, this would be just flat "boring" in my opinion. We need a more well rounded base for competition and the f-bodies are it. Let's all agree to disagree on this one and move on. In addition, let's hope for the return of the f-body. It would be good for all of us. THREAD CLOSED ------------------ SVO siamesed 351 stroked to 417ci,Yates heads, solid roller,Trans King glide and a little blue bottle of giggle gas. My Car |
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