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IMPORTS??!!???!!??
hello, i have a question, why am i getting beat by these acura integras?? my car is a 97 v-6 stock engine(manual), my friend has an integra(manual) and we wanted to race for fun, he beat me!! his car is a 4 cylinder and its stock as well, is this supposed to happen??? what kinda numbers do those things put up?? thanks
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Unfortunately, yes it is supposed to happen. They have 160hp in the GSR. (I think I'm right) Your car is a lot heavier too. Unfortunately your model year and engine were severely under powered. Nothing at all compared to the 99 v-6 Stangs. Fortunately there are quite a few accessories and bolt ons now available for your car. So check them out and get back to your buddy later on. Good luck!
------------------ 1997 Cobra (Black on black), C+L 80mm MAF, K+N filter, Pro 5.0 shifter, BBK Springs, Taylor Wires, 2 Chamber Flows, ASP Pulleys, BBK off road H pipe. |
I'm sorry to say, but I have personally witnessed a 98 dodge caravan hold dead even with a 2000 mustang v6. It was two of my buddies that were racing. This is not a cut on your car but Im just telling you what I saw. His stang was also an auto.
------------------ 89 black GT, 5 spd air silencer removed flowmaster cat-back + h-pipe FMS 9mm wires looking to modify more!!! [This message has been edited by AB89GT (edited 12-29-2000).] |
V6 stangs are good drivers, but if you want to race, you need the V8.
------------------ 67 Fastback - Arctic White Pearl paint 351W 415 hp, Trick Flow Alum. Heads, C-4 Trans, 3.55 gears, Front Disc Brakes, 1-1/8" Fr. 3/4" rear sway bars. http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs...1245-slot2.jpg |
Painful but true.
Like cobrayankee said there are som mods for your V6 I/H package just came out and slap on Vortech almost 300 rwhp. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif That would make for an interesting rematch. |
Sorry "TANGY STANGY" but your coming across this board with your first message as a "Getting Killed" story. Sounds like you own an Integra and wanted to just cut up the V6 Stangs. They put up shitty numbers, the GSR is 170 HP and like 117 lbs/ft of torque and stock runs very low 16's maybe high 15's. HA
In saying that "Get the ****** off this board". Quit wasting our time! |
There is a new intake/head package out for v6's that I saw in a magazine(think it was 5.0) that supposedly puts the car at 225 at the wheels(or maybe it was flywheel) which is the same as a older GT and I think the v6's are faster too... throw one of those vortech's on top of that and you could be winning lots of money off mustang and camaro owners.
------------------ 92 AOD GT, K&N, ram air, pulleys, 2 ch. flowmasters, 4:10's, shift kit, 1 5/8 mac longtubes and offroad hpipe 14.249 @ 97.34 mph before the headers and hpipe |
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Special K:
Didn't SCC just do a test on a Civic and Integra stock then supercharged? The Integra ran like 15.7 with an intake or something. Then supercharged it ran a 15.0. Sorry if I got the numbers wrong but, that's what I recall the mag. saying. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...d/confused.gif I don't have the article with me but the 2 things that could be different are 1)That the test used an 140HP LS Integra. However, I am sure they used the 170HP GSR. 2) The SCC drivers suck but the MPH's suggest good driving. (89 mph stock and 94 supercharged?) Peace. |
umm sorry guys, why am i getting flamed??? i just wanted to know if it was my driving that caused me to lose. I am not into street racing! but i thought a v-6 should always beat a v-4?? but i guess i will not bother to post on a board where i am not welcome , thanks to you guys who actually gave me some answers
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I'm Sorry. LOL
V-4 okay play dumb. ------------------ C ME FLY http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs...1248-slot1.jpg 88 coupe 14.75 @ 98 mph Traction Limited |
Hmm sorry but I have to agree with smithbling, unless you guys are talking about the Integra type R, my friend has a stock GS-R and we raced and it wasn't even funny. A mid 15 at best but more like high 15. I can't see one running a low 14 with a few boltons, maybe a low 15 or high 14. Isn't your civic a lot lighter than the Integra too?
------------------ 92 AOD GT, K&N, ram air, pulleys, 2 ch. flowmasters, 4:10's, shift kit, 1 5/8 mac longtubes and offroad hpipe 14.249 @ 97.34 mph before the headers and hpipe |
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------------------ http://www.geocities.com/specialk_fi...R/quickSiR.jpg And my R.I.P. stang |
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Peace, ------------------ http://www.geocities.com/specialk_fi...R/quickSiR.jpg And my R.I.P. stang |
The last time I was at pomona I saw a GSR with an air intake setup and a full exhaust run 16.1-16.0 all day, he never hit a 15 anything. The fastest stock GSR is around a 15.7 with a great driver. This is also true for 99-01 mustangs though. Most of them hit 14.3-14-2 stock but someone here supposedly hit a 13.68 with one. Go figure.
------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, K&N, off road pipes, ADS chip, pulleys, msd coil,9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, weld in subframe connectors |
AHH WELL BOYS....
Let's just drop it and believe whatever we want! No need to get the boys fighting eachother. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...d/rolleyes.gif I still say bash TangyStangy though!! http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...rd/biggrin.gif ------------------ C ME FLY http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs...1248-slot1.jpg 88 coupe 14.75 @ 98 mph Traction Limited |
Funny...I've seen numerous ones at the strip and the best I've seen so far had the basic mods and he was hitting 15.0's PRAYING to break into the 14's. Special K...you keep saying that we are all off on our times. But this is what I've seen from SEVERAL different cars. Guess maybe NONE of those guys could drive huh?
------------------ 89 GT 5.0 Big hit of NITROUS!! |
I've already said that I think Special K has the quickest stock Si in the universe.
As far as flaming TangyStangy, why? Most people don't know the V-6 stangs only had a 3.8L OHV 140hp motor. The Integra GSR is a quick little rice machine for what it is, and I'd be suprised if they aren't low-mid 15 sec cars. Actually you'd never imagine how many times I've heard people quoting V-4, it's not obviously, it's an I-4 but who cares. Correct him and give him the benefit of the doubt. Jeez... If he's over here trying to rip on the base Mustang that costs a few grand less than an Integra, then he's just been smoked by way too many V-8's. |
Well I hang out over at ClubSi sometimes. I also know quite a few ricers in the local area. NONE of them can run the times that Special K claims. Even over at ClubSi most of the Type R guys claim 15's....and EVERY evaluation I've read in any mag on the Type R claims they run high 15's to 16's. Now granted a 16 is a terribley slow time and I have no doubt that they run better times. But I think a low 15 is a fairly average time for one.
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Here is the big problem with these imports.
Well actually it's a quantity of issues. 4 cylinders, little wheels, front wheel drive. FRONT WHEEL DRIVE... right there you are F**C UP... you almost need a miracle to go to 11s. How many Stang do you see in the 11s??? Why do you want to upgrade a four cylinder engine anyways. Don't give me that full economie thing... I used to own a Turbo Talon TSI... and that 4 cylinder was as hard as my GT00 on gas. I think imports are GREAT!... winter beaters that is. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif ------------------ Lizard King - 00GT >> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock. "I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors |
lizardking, your talon was AWD, that's why it used more gas than a normal 4 banger http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif, now back to the integra situation, i seen type R's run 15.0 usually...
and maybe a 14.7 with a modded one with street tires. Besides the v-teck probaly revs higher than a v6, like someone said above, "get a v-8"...and put about 5 cars on em! ------------------ 90 lx coupe: Mac cold air fenderwell, accel supercoil,advncd ignition,3-core radiatr, FMS alum D/S, Black magic fan, 3.27grs, 3chbr flows. Best time: 14.26(on 225/60/15 firehawks) Best mph 96.33 (with a passenger) Best 60' 2.1 next mods: subframes, 3.73's |
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I agree unit.. |
I saw a Stock '98 GS-R w/ only a K&N turn consisant 15.3s at ATCO in November so I have to believe they can run good times while stock w/ a good driver.
------------------ 1997 Thunderbird 4.6L: Black w/ grey leather Ram Air w/ K&N, FMS U/D pulleys, FMS 9mm wires Soon: custom exhaust, custom burned "Inject tech" chip, trans-go shift kit, 28,000GVW trans-cooler No Longer own: 91 LX 5.0L 5 spd Red w/ black interior 2 chamber flowmasters, Bassani off-road X-pipe, MAC cold air induction, Kirban short throw, Heavy duty 3 core radiator, FMS 3:73's, Timing bump to 14 degrees, SRP billet racing pedals, Kenwood sound system |
Why mod a 4cyl!? ... why have a Mustang when you can have a Camaro, why have a camaro when you can have a viper!? Its not hoe fast it came from the factory its about how fast you built it... there is FWD cars in the 8s now... everything is possible and its sure $%?%?&%?& fun to see the face of a V8 owner when you beat him with a little 4cyl ... I mean whats wrong with I4!? There is a shelby charger at my track ...he is running 10.16s... thats ok!? but if I had a 11s civic it would be a waste of money!? its all about good tatse... I hate riceboy as much as you guys do... but I like fast 4cyl too.. like this one... its my friend civic... no fart tip, no stickers, no wings... SLEEPER.. and this little civic is running low 13s ......
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?...519&p=36207918 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?...519&p=36207928 ------------------ http://www.geocities.com/specialk_fi...R/quickSiR.jpg And my R.I.P. stang |
That is a nice little civic. Glad to see that it has no wings. How does this car run low 13's? No Flame here, just want to know what he's done to the car to make it run in the 13's that's all. (I'm talking 1/4 not 1/8 of a mile http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...board/wink.gif)
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<b>AWD has nothing to do with more spending more fuel 90DPSCOUPE!!</B>
TURBO asks gives the engine more air, therefor the engine requires more fuel or else their is detonation. As for the 4 banger situation,... There is nothing wrong in getting a I4 to race, but you can go a hell of a lot faster with equivalent money on any V8. Stock or modified. Plus front wheel drive does not work down the track. |
The civic you see got a JDM B16A2 (like Civic SI engine) so its a 1.6L and he got a Jackson Racing Supercharger at 10psi, plus the basic bolt on... the car is about 2200lbs
sure FWD is not the best for the track... but there is 8s FWD cars now ...... |
AWD can cause slightly lower fuel mileage because you have more drivetrain to spin.
10psi to run 13's?!?! thank god for V8's! ------------------ 67 Fastback - Arctic White Pearl paint 351W 415 hp, Trick Flow Alum. Heads, C-4 Trans, 3.55 gears, Front Disc Brakes, 1-1/8" Fr. 3/4" rear sway bars. http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs...1245-slot2.jpg |
Just for you Special K!
http://www.mustangworld.com/ourpics/.../sebastia5.jpg If i'd want a light 4-banger, I'd get a Harley. hehehe http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...rd/biggrin.gif ------------------ Lizard King - 00GT >> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock. "I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors |
The civic is cool because it is quick and it does not have rice crap all over it. That car is not what I call a ricer. Ricers however, are slow by nature, because my opinion of a ricer is all show and no go. This car is the opposite. I personally do not like Japanese cars however at least I can respect a car like that one because the owner is obviously more concerned with going fast than trying to look fast.
------------------ 67 Fastback - Arctic White Pearl paint 351W 415 hp, Trick Flow Alum. Heads, C-4 Trans, 3.55 gears, Front Disc Brakes, 1-1/8" Fr. 3/4" rear sway bars. http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs...1245-slot2.jpg |
An AWD system gets worse gas mileage compared to a FWD or RWD simply because of weight. The AWD on Talons adds on average 200lbs or so. Consequently, the gas mileage suffers.
------------------ C ME FLY http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs...1248-slot1.jpg 88 coupe 14.75 @ 98 mph Traction Limited |
Ya, I can respect a car that is quick (quick not fast) and has no ricer wings on it. It all comes to personaly taste. Someone might like a civic and the anoying fart-can sound. I do not. But If everyone liked the same things the World would be pretty boring.
Tom351 is right, I can respect this guy, I may not agree with his choice in cars, but I can respect him. ------------------ White 1995 Mustang GT Dynomax Cat-Back, Offroad H-pipe, K&N Filters w/o Air Silencer My 1995 Mustang GT http://members.mustangworks.com/95mu...must-white.jpg |
I just hope those 2 kids in the picture don't grow up thinking all honda's are quick...
http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...rd/biggrin.gif ------------------ White 1995 Mustang GT Dynomax Cat-Back, Offroad H-pipe, K&N Filters w/o Air Silencer My 1995 Mustang GT http://members.mustangworks.com/95mu...must-white.jpg [This message has been edited by 95mustanggt (edited 01-02-2001).] |
Hey smithbilling.
I concur that AWD is heavier and hence harder on gas. But the bulk of difference between an AWD and normal FWD (ESI model) for the TALON is the TURBO. Why? The second your turbo neddle spools, your gas pump is pumping hard. Have you ever followed a TSI when they step on it.... it stinks. They run rich... cuz rich safe. No detonation. Believe me, an engine that generates 140hp that is pushed to 210hp loves to burn gas. ------------------ Lizard King - 00GT >> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock. "I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors |
Hey 95, maybe we can start a charity for the unlucky children who are born into ricecar families with no chance to learn about real speed!
------------------ 67 Fastback - Arctic White Pearl paint 351W 415 hp, Trick Flow Alum. Heads, C-4 Trans, 3.55 gears, Front Disc Brakes, 1-1/8" Fr. 3/4" rear sway bars. http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs...1245-slot2.jpg |
Let's face it.. these co called 8sec Civic's are NOT Civic's.
They are 400Lbs of reinforced steel propelled by 4cyl engine capable of making no more than run per engine overhaul. |
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I would just like to make a point that the low 13 sec civic in the pic appears to have a type R motorswap. The engine is around 5 grand alone. He also had to buy the acessories and build on top of the motor that he swapped. I would love to motorswap my stang and compare timeslips.
------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, K&N, off road pipes, ADS chip, pulleys, msd coil,9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, weld in subframe connectors |
ok, frontwheel drive 4 bangers are hitting high 8's. Thats good, real good, but v8's are hitting mid to high 4's. Thats twice the cylinders and twice as fast.
------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, K&N, off road pipes, ADS chip, pulleys, msd coil,9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, weld in subframe connectors |
I know many guys with stangs from stock to heavily modified, but I am still yet to meet one who has ever lost to a Civic. I am confident that most others here can say the same.
------------------ 67 Fastback - Arctic White Pearl paint 351W ,Trick Flow Aluminum Heads, Edelbrock TorkerII, Comp. Cam, Performance Automatic C-4 Trans, 3.55 gears, Front Disc Brakes, 1-1/8" Fr. 3/4" rear sway bars. My 351W Fastback http://www.mustangworks.com/mustangs...1245-slot2.jpg |
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The B16a is a very stout motor. I know a few people who use them. Performance parts are horribly expensive for them but they can be quite impressive with the right combo. Even if its not a type R motor it still couldnt have been cheap to build.
------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, K&N, off road pipes, ADS chip, pulleys, msd coil,9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, weld in subframe connectors |
C'mon guys...let's give some credit. I see SO MANY gutless imports running 15's and 16's that consider themselves to be fast that I HAVE to respect the ones that do turn good times. Honda's CAN turn 12's....any car that runs a 12 gets my respect...especially when it's a Honda. That doesn't mean I want one...I just respect it.
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Here is another member of my club... I dont know If I posted that picture before.... but here it is anyway... that one is good for 12.3 on the 1/4 http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?...158&Sequence=0 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?...nce=0&res=high B18C1 turbo 300 dino/hp or 345 hp motor 12.30 @115 mph Garret T03/T04 Advence EFI fuel et timming computer with lcd HKS SSBV Front mount intercooler 4 additionnal 52 lbs/hr injecteurs custom intake custom manifold NewformZ Blockguard costom pressure plate 255lbs/hr fuel pump 3¨down pipe exaust [This message has been edited by Special K (edited 01-08-2001).] |
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Here is another member of my club... I dont know If I posted that picture before.... but here it is anyway... that one is good for 12.3 on the 1/4 http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?...158&Sequence=0 http://clubcivicquebec.com/ETourigny6.jpg http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?...nce=0&res=high B18C1 turbo 300 dino/hp or 345 hp motor 12.30 @115 mph Garret T03/T04 Advence EFI fuel et timming computer with lcd HKS SSBV Front mount intercooler 4 additionnal 52 lbs/hr injecteurs custom intake custom manifold NewformZ Blockguard costom pressure plate 255lbs/hr fuel pump 3¨down pipe exaust |
I do get tired of the I/H/E SI, now I run 10s crowd, but I do respect, and am interested, in fast cars of any brand.
BTW, why does it seem that every powerful (modified) Honda's dyno graph look like it was drawn by my grandmother, IE, shakey, not to mention peaky? |
That dyno sheet looks wrong!
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No **** , that dyno sheet is totally bogus! What the hell are you posting BS for? Dumbass! Torque and HP have to cross at 5250rpm, by the laws of physics.
Ah hell, I noticed that before, but I must have read it wrong! Crap. Half way into my numbers crunching I went from one line to the other. Dang it [This message has been edited by Unit 5302 (edited 01-09-2001).] [This message has been edited by Unit 5302 (edited 01-09-2001).] |
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BTW: The "lower" curve is hp. |
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