IMPORTS??!!???!!??

[90dpscoupe]

lizardking, your talon was AWD, that's why it used more gas than a normal 4 banger , now back to the integra situation, i seen type R's run 15.0 usually...

and maybe a 14.7 with a modded one with street tires. Besides the v-teck probaly revs higher than a v6, like someone said above, "get a v-8"...and put about 5 cars on em!

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90 lx coupe: Mac cold air fenderwell, accel supercoil,advncd ignition,3-core radiatr, FMS alum D/S, Black magic fan, 3.27grs, 3chbr flows.
Best time: 14.26(on 225/60/15 firehawks)
Best mph 96.33 (with a passenger)
Best 60' 2.1
next mods: subframes, 3.73's

[joe4speed]

Originally posted by Unit 5302:
I've already said that I think Special K has the quickest stock Si in the universe.

As far as flaming TangyStangy, why?

Most people don't know the V-6 stangs only had a 3.8L OHV 140hp motor. The Integra GSR is a quick little rice machine for what it is, and I'd be suprised if they aren't low-mid 15 sec cars.

Actually you'd never imagine how many times I've heard people quoting V-4, it's not obviously, it's an I-4 but who cares. Correct him and give him the benefit of the doubt. Jeez... If he's over here trying to rip on the base Mustang that costs a few grand less than an Integra, then he's just been smoked by way too many V-8's.

I agree unit..

[91LX2Bfast]

I saw a Stock '98 GS-R w/ only a K&N turn consisant 15.3s at ATCO in November so I have to believe they can run good times while stock w/ a good driver.

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1997 Thunderbird 4.6L: Black w/ grey leather Ram Air w/ K&N, FMS U/D pulleys, FMS 9mm wires Soon: custom exhaust, custom burned "Inject tech" chip, trans-go shift kit, 28,000GVW trans-cooler

No Longer own: 91 LX 5.0L 5 spd Red w/ black interior
2 chamber flowmasters, Bassani off-road X-pipe, MAC cold air induction, Kirban short throw, Heavy duty 3 core radiator, FMS 3:73's, Timing bump to 14 degrees, SRP billet racing pedals, Kenwood sound system

[Special K]

Why mod a 4cyl!? ... why have a Mustang when you can have a Camaro, why have a camaro when you can have a viper!? Its not hoe fast it came from the factory its about how fast you built it... there is FWD cars in the 8s now... everything is possible and its sure $%?%?&%?& fun to see the face of a V8 owner when you beat him with a little 4cyl ... I mean whats wrong with I4!? There is a shelby charger at my track ...he is running 10.16s... thats ok!? but if I had a 11s civic it would be a waste of money!? its all about good tatse... I hate riceboy as much as you guys do... but I like fast 4cyl too.. like this one... its my friend civic... no fart tip, no stickers, no wings... SLEEPER.. and this little civic is running low 13s ......





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And my R.I.P. stang

[95mustanggt]

That is a nice little civic. Glad to see that it has no wings. How does this car run low 13's? No Flame here, just want to know what he's done to the car to make it run in the 13's that's all. (I'm talking 1/4 not 1/8 of a mile )

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White 1995 Mustang GT
Dynomax Cat-Back
Offroad H-pipe
K&N Filters w/o Air Silencer
My 1995 Mustang GT

[Lizard King]

<b>AWD has nothing to do with more spending more fuel 90DPSCOUPE!!</B>

TURBO asks gives the engine more air, therefor the engine requires more fuel or else their is detonation.

As for the 4 banger situation,... There is nothing wrong in getting a I4 to race, but you can go a hell of a lot faster with equivalent money on any V8. Stock or modified.

Plus front wheel drive does not work down the track.

[Special K]

The civic you see got a JDM B16A2 (like Civic SI engine) so its a 1.6L and he got a Jackson Racing Supercharger at 10psi, plus the basic bolt on... the car is about 2200lbs


sure FWD is not the best for the track... but there is 8s FWD cars now ......

AWD can cause slightly lower fuel mileage because you have more drivetrain to spin.

10psi to run 13's?!?! thank god for V8's!

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67 Fastback - Arctic White Pearl paint
351W 415 hp, Trick Flow Alum. Heads, C-4 Trans, 3.55 gears, Front Disc Brakes, 1-1/8" Fr. 3/4" rear sway bars.

[Lizard King]

Just for you Special K!



If i'd want a light 4-banger, I'd get a Harley.

hehehe


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Lizard King - 00GT
>> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock.

"I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors

The civic is cool because it is quick and it does not have rice crap all over it. That car is not what I call a ricer. Ricers however, are slow by nature, because my opinion of a ricer is all show and no go. This car is the opposite. I personally do not like Japanese cars however at least I can respect a car like that one because the owner is obviously more concerned with going fast than trying to look fast.

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67 Fastback - Arctic White Pearl paint
351W 415 hp, Trick Flow Alum. Heads, C-4 Trans, 3.55 gears, Front Disc Brakes, 1-1/8" Fr. 3/4" rear sway bars.

[smithbling]

An AWD system gets worse gas mileage compared to a FWD or RWD simply because of weight. The AWD on Talons adds on average 200lbs or so. Consequently, the gas mileage suffers.

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C ME FLY

88 coupe
14.75 @ 98 mph
Traction Limited

[95mustanggt]

Ya, I can respect a car that is quick (quick not fast) and has no ricer wings on it. It all comes to personaly taste. Someone might like a civic and the anoying fart-can sound. I do not. But If everyone liked the same things the World would be pretty boring.

Tom351 is right, I can respect this guy, I may not agree with his choice in cars, but I can respect him.

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White 1995 Mustang GT
Dynomax Cat-Back, Offroad H-pipe, K&N Filters w/o Air Silencer
My 1995 Mustang GT

[95mustanggt]

I just hope those 2 kids in the picture don't grow up thinking all honda's are quick...


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White 1995 Mustang GT
Dynomax Cat-Back, Offroad H-pipe, K&N Filters w/o Air Silencer
My 1995 Mustang GT


[This message has been edited by 95mustanggt (edited 01-02-2001).]

[Lizard King]

Hey smithbilling.

I concur that AWD is heavier and hence harder on gas.

But the bulk of difference between an AWD and normal FWD (ESI model) for the TALON is the TURBO.

Why?
The second your turbo neddle spools, your gas pump is pumping hard. Have you ever followed a TSI when they step on it.... it stinks. They run rich... cuz rich safe. No detonation.

Believe me, an engine that generates 140hp that is pushed to 210hp loves to burn gas.

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Lizard King - 00GT
>> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock.

"I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors

Hey 95, maybe we can start a charity for the unlucky children who are born into ricecar families with no chance to learn about real speed!

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67 Fastback - Arctic White Pearl paint
351W 415 hp, Trick Flow Alum. Heads, C-4 Trans, 3.55 gears, Front Disc Brakes, 1-1/8" Fr. 3/4" rear sway bars.

[Try Me]

Let's face it.. these co called 8sec Civic's are NOT Civic's.
They are 400Lbs of reinforced steel propelled by 4cyl engine capable of making no more than run per engine overhaul.

[Special K]

Originally posted by Try Me:
Let's face it.. these co called 8sec Civic's are NOT Civic's.
They are 400Lbs of reinforced steel propelled by 4cyl engine capable of making no more than run per engine overhaul.

What are you expecting from a 1.6L I4 making over 800hp!?!?! but you have a good point... faster then 12s civics are not really streetable anymore..

[fastang]

I would just like to make a point that the low 13 sec civic in the pic appears to have a type R motorswap. The engine is around 5 grand alone. He also had to buy the acessories and build on top of the motor that he swapped. I would love to motorswap my stang and compare timeslips.

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95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, K&N, off road pipes, ADS chip, pulleys, msd coil,9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, weld in subframe connectors

[fastang]

ok, frontwheel drive 4 bangers are hitting high 8's. Thats good, real good, but v8's are hitting mid to high 4's. Thats twice the cylinders and twice as fast.

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95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, K&N, off road pipes, ADS chip, pulleys, msd coil,9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, weld in subframe connectors

[Tom351]

I know many guys with stangs from stock to heavily modified, but I am still yet to meet one who has ever lost to a Civic. I am confident that most others here can say the same.

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67 Fastback - Arctic White Pearl paint
351W ,Trick Flow Aluminum Heads, Edelbrock TorkerII, Comp. Cam, Performance Automatic C-4 Trans, 3.55 gears, Front Disc Brakes, 1-1/8" Fr. 3/4" rear sway bars.

My 351W Fastback