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Old 01-08-2001, 03:41 PM   #41
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Hey 95, maybe we can start a charity for the unlucky children who are born into ricecar families with no chance to learn about real speed!

LOL, that is hilarious! We could call the charity SAD HONDA. The profits could be turned into parts to make our cars faster to help all the needy kids.


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Old 01-08-2001, 08:29 PM   #42
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I would just like to make a point that the low 13 sec civic in the pic appears to have a type R motorswap. The engine is around 5 grand alone. He also had to buy the acessories and build on top of the motor that he swapped. I would love to motorswap my stang and compare timeslips.

No that is not a Type R engine... its an old 1989 B16A from Japan... with a red valve cover. He his one of my friend...so I think I know
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Old 01-08-2001, 08:38 PM   #43
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The B16a is a very stout motor. I know a few people who use them. Performance parts are horribly expensive for them but they can be quite impressive with the right combo. Even if its not a type R motor it still couldnt have been cheap to build.

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Old 01-08-2001, 09:28 PM   #44
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C'mon guys...let's give some credit. I see SO MANY gutless imports running 15's and 16's that consider themselves to be fast that I HAVE to respect the ones that do turn good times. Honda's CAN turn 12's....any car that runs a 12 gets my respect...especially when it's a Honda. That doesn't mean I want one...I just respect it.
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Old 01-08-2001, 10:07 PM   #45
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C'mon guys...let's give some credit. I see SO MANY gutless imports running 15's and 16's that consider themselves to be fast that I HAVE to respect the ones that do turn good times. Honda's CAN turn 12's....any car that runs a 12 gets my respect...especially when it's a Honda. That doesn't mean I want one...I just respect it.
I have to second that... a 12s Mustang, Camaro, Honda, even Hyunday will get my respect... except if the car is covered of rice...

Here is another member of my club... I dont know If I posted that picture before.... but here it is anyway... that one is good for 12.3 on the 1/4





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Old 01-08-2001, 10:08 PM   #46
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C'mon guys...let's give some credit. I see SO MANY gutless imports running 15's and 16's that consider themselves to be fast that I HAVE to respect the ones that do turn good times. Honda's CAN turn 12's....any car that runs a 12 gets my respect...especially when it's a Honda. That doesn't mean I want one...I just respect it.
I have to second that... a 12s Mustang, Camaro, Honda, even Hyunday will get my respect... except if the car is covered of rice...

Here is another member of my club... I dont know If I posted that picture before.... but here it is anyway... that one is good for 12.3 on the 1/4







B18C1 turbo
300 dino/hp or 345 hp motor
12.30 @115 mph
Garret T03/T04
Advence EFI fuel et timming computer with lcd
HKS SSBV
Front mount intercooler
4 additionnal 52 lbs/hr injecteurs
custom intake
custom manifold
NewformZ Blockguard
costom pressure plate
255lbs/hr fuel pump
3¨down pipe
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Old 01-09-2001, 12:05 AM   #47
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I do get tired of the I/H/E SI, now I run 10s crowd, but I do respect, and am interested, in fast cars of any brand.

BTW, why does it seem that every powerful (modified) Honda's dyno graph look like it was drawn by my grandmother, IE, shakey, not to mention peaky?
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Old 01-09-2001, 01:35 AM   #48
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That dyno sheet looks wrong!
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Old 01-09-2001, 01:54 AM   #49
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No **** , that dyno sheet is totally bogus! What the hell are you posting BS for? Dumbass! Torque and HP have to cross at 5250rpm, by the laws of physics.

Ah hell, I noticed that before, but I must have read it wrong! Crap. Half way into my numbers crunching I went from one line to the other.

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Old 01-09-2001, 02:18 AM   #50
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No **** , that dyno sheet is totally bogus! What the hell are you posting BS for? Dumbass! Torque and HP have to cross at 5250rpm, by the laws of physics.
Look at the scales. They do "cross". Its just that the torque is scaled differently then the hp. I guess to make it easier to read.

BTW: The "lower" curve is hp.

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Old 01-09-2001, 02:35 AM   #51
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What! thats a retarded curve, i hope i dont ever use any dynos like that. Im still not reading it right then
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Old 01-09-2001, 08:54 AM   #52
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That's odd, my dyno sheet looks nothing like the one pictured above. Why are the scales not equal? Why is the "curve" not a curve? And what's up with all the spikes?

Lets see, I have 289 RWHP & 312 RWTQ so I guess my Stang would be running low 12's and 110+ mph if I could just figure out how to drop say...1000 lbs!!!

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Old 01-09-2001, 12:39 PM   #53
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That's weak man!
Also, whenever i pull up on suspension-less econo car like the black one you posted, i have no choice but to offer them a srewdriver and wood screws.. he'll need these to fasten the doors back on after i blow them off at the next stop light!!!

Furthermore, doesn anyone have any proof that fart cans make more power asides from lot's of noise?
"George Foreman rice cooker - attaches to your exhaust for annoying bumble bee effect - can be heard within 3 square miles"

I think the LIZARD KING should say something here.
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Old 01-09-2001, 01:56 PM   #54
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doesn anyone have any proof that fart cans make more power asides from lot's of noise?
"George Foreman rice cooker - attaches to your exhaust for annoying bumble bee effect - can be heard within 3 square miles"

I think the LIZARD KING should say something here.
I'd like to know that myself. I'd bet that those annoying fart pipes don't help much at all if any. If I had an import I would PURPOSELY stay away from one of those.



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Old 01-09-2001, 02:12 PM   #55
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I think it's the funiest damm thing how we you guys took over tangy stangy's post and booted him out. Like going to a party and kicking the host out of his own house I also think that dyno looks really fuced up, all the peaks and sh1t. BTW: if these cars are really running those times, how can a stock trans in am import hold up to that kind of power? Serious question, i really would like to know Light Em Up!!!

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Old 01-09-2001, 02:46 PM   #56
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Their transmissions don't hold up that well. They are supposed to but they don't. My buddy has a Honda CRX that I put a turbo on (non v-tec) (T03/04 hybrid). He spent lots o' money on the shortblock to handle 20+ lbs of boost. He was only running 10lbs of boost (@190-200 at the wheels) and blew his trans. I have yet to take a hell run yet, but when I do I'll let you know. BTW he said I could drive it with full 20+ lbs of boost.

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Old 01-09-2001, 04:12 PM   #57
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My chum had a newer 4WD Turbo Talon.
In three years i'm told he went through 3 tranny's.

It's like... only drive it hard twice a year, or else the driveline grenades.

As for the 'Stang... i wonder how many hundreds of thousands of launches, burnouts, doughnuts and powershifts it would take to acheive a driveline failure.

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BTW: if these cars are really running those times, how can a stock trans in am import hold up to that kind of power? Serious question, i really would like to know Light Em Up!!!


To answer your question. The B-series (i.e. DOHC)transmissions hold up very well. The 8 sec honda people were referring to before utilizes a honda 5 speed transmission as well as all other honda powered fast race cars out there. My trannies in my cars have take 6000+ rpm launches (7000 in the crx) on slicks every weekend during the race season and they are still good. Keep in mind that the trannies i use in the crx are 10 years old, In my del sol I replaced the diff with a lsd. Seems like my friends in the 14 and 13 second mustangs have more tranny problems than I do in my 12 second cars, and they run street tires. So actually the trannies are pretty strong and can handle alot of power. One serious question from me. How many 5 speed, clutch powered mustangs are there out there than run 8s and 9s. Just would like to know. BTW is that civic hatch a stock motor or built?

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Old 01-09-2001, 05:38 PM   #59
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I don't know about anyone else in this club, but how come i've killed 2 hondas that look exactly like that black one? they were lowered with big wheels and tires... although one gave me a run for my money (cause screwed up shifting auto :|) I really like how those cars look, but i don't like any type of imports... most of the stuff is cheap as$ sh!t... yeah the engines last a long time, but it's all about what the engine is designed for. I know of plenty of guys who are running their 5.0 V8's with 200K miles on it and it still doesn't smoke or use oil! Dependable vs. speed... what do you want? economy = dependability... you do the math! why do you think hondas suck at street racing, but they are said to be very dependable? It's all about DESIGN!!

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Old 01-09-2001, 06:10 PM   #60
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I was at a buddies shop (for oil patch trucks) I was helping my buddy fix his brakes and one of his co-workers was in there with a 2 year old TSi AWD Talon. It was a nice looking car, but he was changing out his 2nd clutch and 1st transmission. I've had my car for 2 years and drive it hard and yet my tranny and clutch are fine.

I'm not an import hater or anything, but I've heard this story one too many times to believe that some of these cars are able to hang out with mustangs, LS1, Corvettes etc, etc. I'm not saying imports can't hold up, but some of the lower cost imports that everyone thinks are so great have not faired so well. Just my experience.

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