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Killed another Cobra and an LS1 SS
This Cobra race was a huge disappointment. This was a black 96-98 coupe that was lowered, blacked out and had chromed R wheels. It was probably one of the cleanest Cobras I have ever seen. Anyway, I see him a couple cars ahead of me and we are heading onto the ramp for the freeway. He must have noticed me because he waited for me slowly in the right lane then he pulls a bullcrap move and floors it with me about 4/5 cars back. Not standing for this and already in 3rd gear, I caught up to him very quickly and passed by him at the top of 3rd and put some good distance on him in 4rth. This car had a loud exhaust but that was all it had. He wouldn't even come cruising up to me after. He just hung back about 10 cars behind me and I was doing 60?? I hate it when people don't wave after a race, especially another Ford owner.
-The SS was a 99/00 grey with a guy in his mid 40's with his wife. We cruised close to each other and I didn't think he wanted to play. All of a sudden, he downshifts out of nowhere and passes me so I knew it was on. -We came up on a turn that opens up to a good stretch of road for a race and we went at it with him in front about two cars. This was an obviously stock car because I passed by him relatively quick in 3rd and put 3 cars or so on him and we just shut it down. He pulled up and waved with his wife laughing at our childishness. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif I wish the other Cobra driver could have been this cool.. ------------------ formerly 96cobra89lx306 (96Cobra/softtop-3.73,almdrvsht,fancontrl,steeda sbfrmes+shifter,eibachspgs,KYB's,FR-upper arms,Saleen copy-polished 18's,pulleys,Bassani X pipe(gutted),C&L 80mm Cobra DYNO 301rwhp horsepower before gutting the X pipe 93 Ford Probe Gt(slower but turns) [This message has been edited by 96SNAKE (edited 03-04-2001).] |
Taking out the top production cars from ford and chevy in the same day. Nice. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif You ever had your car weighed? Just curoius..
------------------ 92 AOD GT, K&N, ram air, pulleys, 2 ch. flowmasters, 4:10's, shift kit, 1 5/8 mac longtubes and offroad hpipe 14.249 @ 97.34 mph before the headers and hpipe |
FivepointOH, yeah it was a pretty good day for near flagship cars.. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/wink.gif
No, I haven't had it weighed but it is no featherweight by any means. I think it would probably tip the scales around 3500+lbs. It's hard not to wonder how fast the 4.6 could have really been if Ford could have kept the weight anywhere near the Foxbodys. ------------------ formerly 96cobra89lx306 (96Cobra/softtop-3.73,almdrvsht,fancontrl,steeda sbfrmes+shifter,eibachspgs,KYB's,FR-upper arms,Saleen copy-polished 18's,pulleys,Bassani X pipe(gutted),C&L 80mm Cobra DYNO 301rwhp horsepower before gutting the X pipe 93 Ford Probe Gt(slower but turns) [This message has been edited by 96SNAKE (edited 03-04-2001).] |
It may have been a mock Cobra. Sounds like you pulled on him pretty fast for not having any major power adders. Should have been closer if he had the same car as us. Are you sure he was real?
------------------ 1997 Cobra (Black on black), C+L 80mm MAF, K+N filter, Pro 5.0 shifter, BBK Springs, Taylor Wires, 2 Chamber Flows, ASP Pulleys, BBK off road H pipe. |
Yeah, He was real. I guess anybody can copy a Cobra if they wanted to but this car was no fake. It had the "COBRA" embossed in the bumper and the familiar powerband of our cars. It wasn't a slug or anything. I was just pissed when I posted because of how he tried to takeoff without even waiting for me to get close to him.
My car has always been faster compared to other Cobras out of the box but this one was about average. I would say he had about 260/270 rwhp from this race and that may explain why it was a relatively easy battle. I can't explain it Yankee, I ran a similarly modded car like yours minus the C&L and pulleys(he had 4.10's) and had a 6-7 car lead on him and pulling through 4rth gear. This guy now has a supercharger and I haven't run into him again, yet.. [This message has been edited by 96SNAKE (edited 03-04-2001).] |
Nice kills 96SNAKE.
Sucks though that the Cobra guy had to be a hefer about it. Oh well. Some people take a loss on as a major embarassment or just get pissed off. Maybe an insecurity issue. I dunno. “…because, no one’s really gonna be free until nerd persecution ends.” ---Revenge of the Nerds ------------------------------- '79 Mustang Coup 4" Cowl Weld wheels (15x6;15x8) Stock 5.8L C4 w/ shift kit 1.5" MAC full length headers Holley 750 CFM Edelbrock intake 2.5" Off road H-pipe, 2-chamber Flowmasters 8.8" Rear end w/ 3.55 gears (Now that's more like it!!) http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif Front: 225/60/15 Rear: 255/60/15 Eagle GT II 14 x 4” K&N air filter (getting the Xtreme setup soon) http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/cool.gif |
Thanks Fox,
I guess you're right about this guy. I just don't get it though. When I was younger in my first 5.0,(88 ragtop)I would get my a$$ handed to me more than I won but if you don't find out what just beat you, how do you learn? |
96SNAKE: Have you ever had your car dynoed? I think I have somewhat of a slug compared to other Cobras. I need a professional dyno and tune. Maybe they'll find a problem.
------------------ 1997 Cobra (Black on black), C+L 80mm MAF, K+N filter, Pro 5.0 shifter, BBK Springs, Taylor Wires, 2 Chamber Flows, ASP Pulleys, BBK off road H pipe. |
Cobrayankee, I had my car dyno'd awhile back when it was fairly low on miles, it's in my sig. I don't think I make as much power now that the car is older but probably pretty close with the cats gutted now.
-I know one thing for sure with our cars though, they hate to run warm or hot. If they do, they lose a good deal of power. My key is to keep the temps always right around the O in Normal or below with my fan contoller. I can pinpoint the exact temps the low and high speed fans turn on. I can't tell you how important this was to my car. This could make the difference between a win and a loss right there. -Another thing I can tell you is that I tried that BBK H pipe and got rid of it about two weeks after it was bought. I lost power with that thing and I'm not completely sure why. I just know the X pipe was much better for my car. - Spark plug gap- I run a gap of 0.060 on my car and have since new. Give it a try! -Do you have gears or are you stock still? This could make a big difference too. Whatever the case, get a dyno run done for a base. Also, if you can, try a different computer if you can get one. I have heard of a few of the Cobra computers failing for unknown reasons and they won't show codes. How do your races usually go with other Cobras anyway? [This message has been edited by 96SNAKE (edited 03-04-2001).] |
So your saying you made up 5 car lengths on an SS in 3rd gear. I've seen a STOCK SS run 13.1@107. So you must be in the 10's at least. That is the fastest 301 rwhp car Ive ever heard of. I think you should start your own business. You would put Saleen out of biz in a flash. CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR ENGINEERING AND DEVELOPMENT SKILLS
enviously yours, The Beacon of Reality |
GP6T..i'd like to welcome you to the board...
However w/ only 4 posts it seems that u don't know 96SNAKE to be cahllenging his races so quickly. He's been here far longer than you, and so have i. that being said u don;t know him, or his car....if u know anything about racing (i;m giving u the benefit of the doubt), then u know anything can, and does happen.....He has got a fantastic running cobra. |
GP6T, Since this is your 4rth post and don't know me here at all, I won't get all nasty. I beat this SS pretty easily and have taken other LS1's in similar fashion, especially the C5's. I think this race really begun at his door which would have given me a 3 car win but if we would have kept into it in 4rth, I would have opened that up by another couple of cars easy. In my experience, the regular Z28 is the fastest LS1 I have seen yet. We all know there are many variations on how these LS1's perform. Some are low 13's, some mid and some high 13sec cars and some freaks are in the 12's too I guess. I respect them all but downplay my win for you, no way..
-I have raced two well modded LS1's and the races were much closer. The point is my car is no joke in this kind of race and it ain't bad from a stop either. The fastest one was a couple of weeks ago. I had a 322rwhp LS1z28 by three cars to 90 from a 5mph roll. I don't bullshit and I don't dream. I just tell it like it happened bro. [This message has been edited by 96SNAKE (edited 03-04-2001).] |
OK I dont mean to ruffle feathers. I know its ONLY my 5th post but I do have a calculator, so that does give me some credibility. Simple arithmatic. Car A has 300 rwhp and wieghs 3500lbs, car b has 300 rwhp and weighs 3500 lbs. The question is, Why is car A so much faster? Hmmm let me think. IS IT FUZZY MATH? No. The earths rotation? No. Is it GP6T's lack of posts on the Mustang board? hmmm maybe? I'm sure that it has to have a lot to do with it, doesnt it? Leave the FANTASYLAND stories for DISNEY, they are more believable. I thought this board was for info not a lesson in creative writing.
Like I said before enviously yours, The Beacon of Reality |
Hey bucko, and by bucko I mean GP6T, granted, the new SS and Z28's are pretty quick, but the driver has to be just as fast.
Perfect example- A little more than 4 years ago, I had a mildly modd-ed 89 GT. It was probably in the very high 13's or low 14's, but it had a driver that was in the high 14's. All i'm saying is that the car can be as fast as it wants to be, but the driver has to be on the same level. So, do I believe 96snake's story? Yep. I've raced several SS's and I (thankfully) haven't been beaten yet. Only because most of the driver's either don't want to give their car too much he11, or they're not experianced enough. Stop tring to flame dead coals, and learn some respect for your fellow 'Stangers. ------------------ The Black Mamba 11.2@124 94 Cobra- MAC cold air fender kit, Motorsport underdrive pulley's, MAC 21/2" off-road H pipe, SVO mufflers, 3.73 gears, E-303 cam, 13.417@101.335mph |
GP6T, You're a joke! Take your calculator and **** off with your ridiculous comments!
What your calculator doesn't account for is gearing, stick or auto transmission and RPM rev band capability, especially in a highway race. With my comparable power and in most cases better gearing, I can stay in each gear longer through 7000 rpm's while the LS1's have to shift well beneath that. You can't account for all these things without knowing all the variables involved and I don't care enough to research them. I just downshift, win the race if I can and post it here if it was worth doing so. I sure wish you lived closer to me because I'd love to show you what my poor, underpowered Cobra could do.. One other thing since you want to compare hp. Not all LS1's are 300 rwhp cars either, some are 280 hp cars, especially the automatics. I could have put most of my larger beatings on these cars I don't deny that possibility at all. [This message has been edited by 96SNAKE (edited 03-05-2001).] |
Just curious you have any times on your cobra 96snake? Might shut up some of these nay sayers. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/wink.gif
------------------ 92 AOD GT, K&N, ram air, pulleys, 2 ch. flowmasters, 4:10's, shift kit, 1 5/8 mac longtubes and offroad hpipe 14.249 @ 97.34 mph before the headers and hpipe |
No, I haven't taken it to the track since I would have been booted out for not running a rollbar in a convertible capable of going under 13.99.
I've always thought of just going and lying and say my car was a 14 sec + car and then rip one off and get tossed but who wants to go just to race one pass? -I figure with my drag experience in my old 89LX coupe, I would probably lay down numbers similar to Jason's Snake. The LX ran 12.4's with drag radials and my Cobra beat that car pretty handily(both on street tires) but my brother was driving the LX?? -There are always going to be people who doubt and that's ok but if anyone wants to test me out I'd be happy to oblige.. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/wink.gif |
The math does not add up? Are you a 12 year old or something. If you think all that matters is Hp and weight, you are a moron, and if you are right I will just quit school cause why the **** would I need my engineering degree? There are so many factors that you did not calculate.
That being said Nice run, Your cobra has always kept me considering a 96-98 maybe when I finish school I will slither in to one (phun intended). Sweet kill! ------------------ 1991 Lx sedan 5.0, 5spd, GT-40 Heads, Cobra intake, 73MM mass air, 65mm TB, FPR, 24lb injectors, E303, Headers,off road H-pipe, Flows, K&n , hurst, 3:55's, pullies, etc... Best ET 13.5 (2.15 60ft) Best MPH 103.9 On semi-bald street tires New mods! electric fan, nitto drag radials, mac upper and lower control arms, HD trac-loc, lakewood 50/50's on back, shift light, centerforce dual friction, and rebuilt heavy duty T5 |
96snake. Not siding with anyone here but how does the heaviest body style with only 301rwhp claim to be in the 12's. I know gears etc. but it still seems like a tall order.
5 cars on an SS from a roll. You will need alot more than gears to do that. Again no flame, just curious. ------------------ 306ci, TFS stage 3 heads. port/pol edlebrock performer intake. 77mm mass air, 70mm TB, crane 2030 cam, Mac full length headers, flowmasters 3.73 gears and more. |
It's cool MMike,
I know it just seems unbelievable but its true and I can't really explain it. The weight thing is a factor from a stop but from a roll, it just doesn't seem to hurt my car. If it did, I probably wouldn't beat the other Cobras I race like I do. Is my car a little bit of a freak, yeah, I think so and always have but I don't make this stuff up. At 30, I'm too old to play around. As a reference to the 12's, There is a guy on this board named Jason(jmeiers) who runs low to mid 12's @111mph with slicks, more gear than me and better suspension mods. I figure I'm not out way off of his car but who knows. Even Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords Cobra(superfly) ran easy 12's at 110 and they were only making 282 rwhp at the time but they were running 4.30 gears.. |
Good kill 96SNAKE, I totally believe you.
I suppose GP6T will also say that my car didn't beet an LT1 by atleast 3 cars when I only had my catback and K&N (still had air silencer and everything else stock, with 87 octane fuel). He had atleast 50 or 60 more HP than me. But due to some rather poor driving, he spun real bad while I was pulling away. But that is life, driving is a part of racing. The car is only part of the equation. Just my $0.02 (of course being in Canadian currency, maybe it's not worth as much) ------------------ White 1995 Mustang GT Dynomax Cat-Back, Offroad H-pipe, performacne chip, K&N Filters w/o Air Silencer My 1995 Mustang GT |
96snake, I'm glad you have such a strong runner. And no I don't doubt your victories, like you I just turned 30, no BS flag here. Maybe i'm a little jealous with all my work on the car and i'd be hard pressed to keep up with you.
Keep on smok'n those f-bodes. cheers ------------------ 306ci, TFS stage 3 heads. port/pol edlebrock performer intake. 77mm mass air, 70mm TB, crane 2030 cam, Mac full length headers, flowmasters 3.73 gears and more. |
Wow a couple of you guys are 30+ can you even still powershift when you get that old http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/wink.gif I figured you would be driving a crown vic or a grand marquis or something. Man I hope I drive a muscle car when I am THAT old.
J/K I just hope my wife lets me have a cool car when I get older, and I hope I am still out there street racing. |
POST #6 DAY #2
I know it just seems unbelievable but its true and I can't really explain it. The weight thing is a factor from a stop but from a roll, it just doesn't seem to hurt my car. If it did, I probably wouldn't beat the other Cobras I race like I do You said it not me. It really is "UNBELIEVABLE" Now your saying you run mid 12's with a gutted X-pipe and 373's. WHAT IS A GUTTED X PIPE? My xpipe is an x. What exactly is in it? Dude your stepping in the sh!t you just took, back up baby. It seems that you read a lot of magazines, you know 15hp for a K&N, 10 here, 10 there, 5 over here, bam I've got 577.2 hp all with bolt ons, lucky me vroom vroom. Get the book titled Automotive Math, get a calculator and do the math yourself, then you can come up with more believable stories. A 3500 lb car would need over 400 crank hp to do that with a perfect run. I am not here defending LS1's, believe me. With your mods your car is a low 14 second car maybe squeezing a high 13 maybe. You can tell all the kill stories you want, but untill you have a time slip, thats all they are is stories. There are a whole crap load of people on this board that have spent sh!t loads of money, and time working on their cars and your car is just as fast by gutting the x pipe :-)(whatever that is) I'm going to start a petition to rename this board the Tall Tales Saloon. again enviously yours, The Beacon of Reality |
GP6T any person even half way into performance would know what a gutted x-pipe is oh, wait let me explain to it to you A gutted x-pipe would mean it originaly had catalytic converters on it but the catalyst have been removed (perhaps for better performance), wait do you know what a catalytic converter is? Now mister auto math einstein, weight does not matter as much going down the road because it does not need that inital ump.
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What the .....?!? GP6T, a gutted X pipe is one with cats, that have been "poked" clean of their insides.
I would like to slam you and tell you what an AZZ you are, but we all know that. And by we I mean the readers and such that have spent our whole lives racing and building cars. I know it may seem unreal to you, and until you go to the track and watch some of the guys running, shut up. Please. 96snake, not to flame you or anything, but are you sure you are in the 12's? I mean, that's great if you are, but it does seem a bit far fetched. My best run of 13.4 was with DR's, bumped timing to 14*, Mac cold air intake, 3.73's, Pro 5.0 shifter(replaced it with a Steeda) stock clutch(replaced it with a King Cobra, not that it really makes a difference), ripping out the passenger seat, underdrives, and great driving(if I may say so). Granted you may have a better suspension setup than me, and that may make up for some of it, but come on, 12's? Really? More power to you bro! ------------------ The Black Mamba 11.2@124 94 Cobra- MAC cold air fender kit, Motorsport underdrive pulley's, MAC 21/2" off-road H pipe, SVO mufflers, 3.73 gears, E-303 cam, 13.417@101.335mph |
You mean I can put a drive train identical to 96SNAKE's in a cement truck and go out and beat up on LS-1's. COOL !!! You know, weight not being a factor from a roll and all. THAT'S FUNNY. I too must admit my ignorance, I didn't know what a "gutted X-pipe" was either. My X (Dr. Gas) was also just an X. An X pipe with cats, seems pretty useless.
Also, for those math nay sayers: Newtons Second Law: " the acceleration of an object is directly proportional to the resultant force acting on it and invesely proportional to its MASS. ie a=F/m, therefore if you were to double the mass you would have half the acceleration. This applies at any speed. So I guess I'll be scared next time either of these cars pull up next to me because they are magical and my lowly little car probably wouldn't stand a chance :-( Physics, aint it a ***** ! LOL ------------------ 347, 279/284 .493/.510, TFS TW, Stealth, 750, Flowtech hdrs, Dr. Gas X, 2 Chmbr Flowmaster, MSD 6AL-Dist.& SS coil, Art Carr C-4, Currie 9" w/3.55, alum Drv Shft, susp mods, 4 wheel power disc In a 66 coupe |
Hey GP6T, or gp001 or whatever the hell you want to call yourself. Why dont you bring your 66 coupe down to Carlsbad with us west costers here on the 24th? I would love to see your cocky *** drive. TROLL.
------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, 355's K&N, off road pipes, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors |
Fastang
We are actually separate people, dickhead. Sorry I sided with reality over fantasy. Hell, everyone else doubts his story as well. Most posters question his stated time or say "its up to the driver". And you are right ALL YOU WOULD SEE IS MY COCKY *** ------------------ 347, 279/284 .493/.510, TFS TW, Stealth, 750, Flowtech hdrs, Dr. Gas X, 2 Chmbr Flowmaster, MSD 6AL-Dist.& SS coil, Art Carr C-4, Currie 9" w/3.55, alum Drv Shft, susp mods, 4 wheel power disc In a 66 coupe |
The reason I called you a cocky troll is because you keep quoting laws of physics and $hit like that, that most people here already know. Excuse me for not realizing you are two different people but your names are quite close and so are your comments. Yeah 12's sounds a little much but then so does 13.6 with Lizrdkings stock 00GT. Go figure, I wont believe he can hit a 12 untill I see it. You can doubt people all you want without flaming them and being a total a$$hole about it, just like Bigwhitecobra, and mmike did. They called him but didnt quite flame like you. Have a little respect....and I honestly would like to see you join us on the 24th with NO hard feelings.
------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, 355's K&N, off road pipes, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors [This message has been edited by fastang (edited 03-05-2001).] [This message has been edited by fastang (edited 03-05-2001).] |
Careful guys... this starting to sound like Jerry Springer... and we all know how the big man in charge does not want that...
hehehe... You guys are all screw balls. Say, GP6T, nice way to get the attention of everyone by making an azz of yourself. Quote:
Anyways, all that to say, I don't think 96SNAKE is in the 12s..., until you prove the opposite, I don't beleive it. |
fastang,
I did not flame anyone, merely what was being said. I only made one post before you attacked ME, I think you should re-read my post and you will see I only questioned the validity of what was being said. Mainly, weight not being a factor and math no mattering. Apparently, some people do not know the physics involved. Sorry to have gotten ugly, but you did flame ME pretty hard ------------------ 347, 279/284 .493/.510, TFS TW, Stealth, 750, Flowtech hdrs, Dr. Gas X, 2 Chmbr Flowmaster, MSD 6AL-Dist.& SS coil, Art Carr C-4, Currie 9" w/3.55, alum Drv Shft, susp mods, 4 wheel power disc In a 66 coupe |
Faststang, let me put my money where my mouth is... uhhhh, no.
13.69, you better believe it. The next video is me pulling a 13.9 with a 200lb camera man in the car, and braking from 100MPH to 82MPH in trap box. The slip shows it at the end of the video. It's Bracket racing. I set myself up for a run of 13.9, and then I brake at the end to make sure I don't bust... it's kind of sleezy but I finished 3rd that day on over 250 cars and won some nice money. http://members.mustangworks.com/liza...uartermile.mpg What do you have to say now? ------------------ http://www.trainboard.com/smiles/048.gif Lizard King - 2000GT 13.698 - stock, http://www.trainboard.com/smiles/099.gifbone stock |
gp001, I didnt mean to flame you, I thought you were the other guy, please excuse me.
Lizrd, I totaly believe you and was using you as an example of how some cars are faster than others, By the way I watched and liked all your videos. ------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, 355's K&N, off road pipes, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors |
For the Geek G brothers, I gutted my X pipe because of a bad converter. What is so hard to understand about this?
I'm not a physics expert and I don't have to be to prove anything I've said here. I never said weight wasn't a factor. I said it just didn't SEEM to hurt my car as much from a roll. My car is heavy, I wouldn't argue that but once it getrs moving, it moves pretty damn well. You dickheads make it seem like I beat a Viper with all this bullshit. What a damn joke you two are. I routinely blow the doors off other Cobra coupes I face, so why couldn't my heavy boat take the "Gods gift to cars" LS1? Simply put, my car is that fast and that is the truth. Lesser Cobras have run in the mid 12's with slicks and I don't doubt for a second mine can too. So my convertible weighs a 140lbs+ more than a Coupe?? Big ******* deal. That amounts to a whole 2 tenths in the 1/4 per hundred pounds at best. I have the hp to make up for the extra weight so it balances out, no? If other Cobras are running mid 12's at speeds of 108-110 with 20 less rwhp than me than why are 12's that hard to come by for me. Like I said, my carbed 89 Lx was a 12.4 car at 109mph and my Cobra beat that car on the street and from a roll on the freeway and that car weighed only 2900+lbs. Where does the physics argument apply here buddy? There are too many other factors involved besides weight. You're too shortsighted to see the difference. Like I said, I will run anybody who wants to run. I've been on this board for a long time now, why would I post crap if I could run into people who would disprove me. Not my style but these two asses don't know me and that is understood. I'm cool with anybody who agrees and doesn't agree with me especially if we keep it respectable. It's these two assholes who think I drum this **** up for creative writing that piss me off. [This message has been edited by 96SNAKE (edited 03-05-2001).] |
96SNAKE---Some people don't understand what all is involved with drag racing. The story is believable, and its unreal how you have been here 2 years, and this guy w/ 6 post is tryin to start stuff. He needs to lay off, he wasn't there, and he needs to chill out.....
Some people need to get off the internet, and stop reading magazines....actually go to a drag strip to see what goes on, and see how cars perform here in the real wolrd. Most of the people here have plenty of experience draggin, and have been here for YEARS!!!!!!! ------------------ '86 GT. Gears & Flows |
Ok excuse me if I am rude but well I am probably going to come off a little rude. But here we go anyone who has had a chevy can tell you that when you go to push the chevy it is hard at first then as you get it moving it gets easier to pick up speed right? Why it has to deal with inital movement if you want I can explain this in more technical terms but I don't want to go over your head to far. And any dumb a$$ that thinks that all that matters is curb weight and horsepower is a moron.
Ok, sorry for the cheap shot on the chevy. Also I would be more than happy to get more indepth with the calculations if you want to see what ALL goes into figuring acceleration curves. ------------------ 1991 Lx sedan 5.0, 5spd, GT-40 Heads, Cobra intake, 73MM mass air, 65mm TB, FPR, 24lb injectors, E303, Headers,off road H-pipe, Flows, K&n , hurst, 3:55's, pullies, etc... Best ET 13.5 (2.15 60ft) Best MPH 103.9 On semi-bald street tires New mods! electric fan, nitto drag radials, mac upper and lower control arms, HD trac-loc, lakewood 50/50's on back, shift light, centerforce dual friction, and rebuilt heavy duty T5 |
LIZARD KING?????
It seems that you agree with me. Only thing is YOU dont know what your talking about as far as gears and tires, lets disect your comments.#1" With shorter gears, car "a" sticks in it's power range",(WRONG, with a close ratio gearbox car A would stick in its power range, NOT shorter gears. shorter gears increase Torque multiplacation and thats IT buddy. #2"with a better shifter, car "a" get's faster shifts"(has nothing to do with the cars power, although can help in 1/4 times, but not much. see early posts we are not really talking about 1/4 times, mostly pure acceleration).#3 "with better tires, car "a" can apply his 300HP to road without slipping on any gear and launch harder (even from a roll)"(again see above we are not talking pure 1/4 times mostly just pure acceleration or dyno results, and lets be honest here I dont think 300 hp will cause much of a traction problem)... #4 "i got more, but I think you get the point", (YOU DO!!! I'd love to hear them cuz I'm pretty amused at your lack of knowledge and how arrogant you must be to write a post like that. all youve proven so far is that you have no clue what your talking about) THE ONLY REASON YOU GUYS ARE PISSED OFF IS BECAUSE I REFUSE TO JOIN YOUR CIRCLE JERK EGO STROKING PARTY. Maybe we could tell some big fish stories. Once I caught a fish THIIIIIIIIS big. Ive been around and BUILT(all makes) enough cars to know that 96SNAKE reads from the fiction section at his local library. I just had the nads to call him on it, but thats OK if you guys want to play FANTASYLAND CAR GUY, go ahead. I will continue to be The Beacon of Reality when the sh!t starts getting to deep. FASTANG I am not gp001, nor is he me. One thing he is, is a realist. You really would be looking at his cocky A$$. OBVIOUSLYMOREKNOWLEDGABLY YOURS, THE DREADED BEACON OF REALITY Bon Voyage........im goin fishin |
96WORM,
Hate to point out that MOST replies to your post challenge you CLAIM. Sedanman, If you ONLY consider HP & weight you get your IDEAL (meaning BEST possible) set of numbers. Try clicking on the analyzer on this site 3500lb car to run 12.99 needs 315 rwhp MINIMUM. But I guess they are wrong too. Other factors (friction loss, drag, air resistance, driver error, etc...) only LOWER this number. ------------------ 347, 279/284 .493/.510, TFS TW, Stealth, 750, Flowtech hdrs, Dr. Gas X, 2 Chmbr Flowmaster, MSD 6AL-Dist.& SS coil, Art Carr C-4, Currie 9" w/3.55, alum Drv Shft, susp mods, 4 wheel power disc In a 66 coupe |
I knew something was goin' on in here when I saw the # of posts shoot up.
Okay now I have to say something. Glad you guys kissed and made up http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif Yeah, the current mods that 96SNAKE has on his car will NOT get it into the 12s. But you don't have to run 12s to beat an SS. It is very much possible to beat an SS with a 15 second car. Right? Yes. If the driver sucks and pulls slower 15s b/c of spinning, missing gears, bad shifting, etc. Now SNAKE's Cobra is no 15 sec car, neither is he a 15 sec driver. I will have to believe him when he says that amount of car lengths, but it is also kinda hard to get out and measure car lengths during mid race. Let's say he beat the SS by 2 or 3 car lengths. So what. He basically smoked it. I beat a '95 Cobra a few days ago a little easier than I should've, the guy shifted poorly and while I have know doubt I can beat most STOCK Cobra's, I don't expect it to go AS smoothly if I go up against another Cobra. I can't toy with Cobras, not yet, my car just ain't fast enough. One last thing, I have a hard time really caring if someone believes my post on a kill or not. I was there if it happened to me, not you (anyone), and I am not some insecure little snot that needs the admiration of many to fill my cup for the day. If you want to call me on the post, cool, but start acting like a hefer, to me, it's not worth the typing nor the time. 96SNAKE, WHY ARE YOU WASTING YOUR BREATH? GP6T DOESN'T BELIEVE YOU. DO YOU THINK YOU WILL CONVINCE GP6T THAT YOU WON? ARE YOU SURE YOU BEAT THE SS? IF SO, ISN'T THAT GOOD ENOUGH? How much does it matter to you that GP6T believes you????? (Man, I don't know why people get all powered high powered.) Still though, I'm glad there's other people here who will question kills, just do it with a tad less sarcasm understanding that this ain't a "ricer" board. ------------------------------- '79 Mustang Coup 4" Cowl Weld wheels (15x6;15x8) Stock 5.8L C4 w/ shift kit 1.5" MAC full length headers Holley 750 CFM Edelbrock intake 2.5" Off road H-pipe, 2-chamber Flowmasters 8.8" Rear end w/ 3.55 gears (Now that's more like it!!) http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif Front: 225/60/15 Rear: 255/60/15 Eagle GT II 14 x 4” K&N air filter (getting the Xtreme setup soon) http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/cool.gif "Red, thou art my companion. Hasten now your quickened metamorphosis to Green that I may conquer all who dare abide there beside me. May they be left thither behind burnt black." ---Fox Body |
FOX BODY,
You are right. But is it a RACE or KILL if the other aint RACIN. I only questioned that the LS-1 hit it first, and SNAKE said he jumped out so far, so quick. I can kill a Formula 1 car on my bike if I pedal fast enough and he's not on the gas. But shouldn't we try to keep these stories somehwat real? I could post a story about the time I beat an F-14 after he hit the after burner, but I believe its classified. ------------------ 347, 279/284 .493/.510, TFS TW, Stealth, 750, Flowtech hdrs, Dr. Gas X, 2 Chmbr Flowmaster, MSD 6AL-Dist.& SS coil, Art Carr C-4, Currie 9" w/3.55, alum Drv Shft, susp mods, 4 wheel power disc In a 66 coupe |
So you are saying that gears don't effect 1/4 times that much? Are you on crack, have you ever raced a car before? I have seen gears drop a FULL SECOND of the 1/4 time and they improve the acceleration across the board! But I don't know what I am talking about do I. Lets see I have only built several cars, went two years to be a mechanic, go to purdue for mechanical engineering, and worked as a engineer for a major automaker, so basically there is no way I could possibly know what the hell I am talking about.
Let me guess your background you are 12 you have read several magzines and played tons of Gran Torismo 2 right? I mean come on 301hp at the wheels thats what 345hp at the crank throught 3.73 gears in a 3500 pound car thats similar to what those Modded LS1 cars claim and they say they are in the high 12's. Bottom line is anything can happen in street racing and some cars run stronger than others it takes a lot to call BS on a guy you don't know and is not claiming anything unrealistic. |
Foxbody, you're right, I will end this crap now.
- I just like a good fight even if I'm the cause of it. [This message has been edited by 96SNAKE (edited 03-05-2001).] |
GP6T,
I respect your challenge and your comments, but I don't respect the way you challenge and comment. Are you trying to open up hostility? Seems that you are: "So your saying you made up 5 car lengths on an SS in 3rd gear. I've seen a STOCK SS run 13.1@107. So you must be in the 10's at least. That is the fastest 301 rwhp car Ive ever heard of. I think you should start your own business. You would put Saleen out of biz in a flash. CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR ENGINEERING AND DEVELOPMENT SKILLS enviously yours, The Beacon of Reality" A few other senior members on this board need to use a little more tact too. Who acts like this at the strip? Could it be b/c we don't see each other in person while typing that we feel it gives license to act like elementary school kids. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/frown.gif ------------------------------- '79 Mustang Coup 4" Cowl Weld wheels (15x6;15x8) Stock 5.8L C4 w/ shift kit 1.5" MAC full length headers Holley 750 CFM Edelbrock intake 2.5" Off road H-pipe, 2-chamber Flowmasters 8.8" Rear end w/ 3.55 gears (Now that's more like it!!) http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif Front: 225/60/15 Rear: 255/60/15 Eagle GT II 14 x 4” K&N air filter (getting the Xtreme setup soon) http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/cool.gif "Red, thou art my companion. Hasten now your quickened metamorphosis to Green that I may conquer all who dare abide there beside me. May they be left thither behind burnt black." |
GP6T oh beacon of light, master of all masters... why in a hell do we upgrade our gears, to go slower??? Why do we get drag radial, because we love throw money out the door.
This has nothing to do with power, but YES THE ISSUE IS ABOUT WHICH CAR IS FASTER!!! You state it yourself. You are the beacon of light (turd)... please explain, I'm waiting... cuz the light ain't to bright to me right now. And for your information we are not pissed, we are amazed at how someone can be so funny. Keep it coming... ------------------ Lizard King, Bone Stock; 13.69 at 101MPH • http://members.mustangworks.com/liza...meburnout2.mpg •http://members.mustangworks.com/liza...stangVSLS1.mpg • <A HREF="http://members.mustangworks.com/lizardking/quartermile.mpg" TARGET=_blank>http://members.mustangworks.com/lizardking/q |
GP6T, shorter gears WILL keep you in your powerband dumbass why do you think most 4 cam cobras run 410's?...because when they shift they want thier rpms to stay higher. Go back to ClubSi and give them your "beacon of homosexuality" because nobody likes or wants you here Troll.
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please excuse the double post.
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Somebody just close the thread...thank you.
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GP6T, gears DO help keep you in your powerband. Why do you think most 4 cam Cobras run 410's? They want to stay in a higher rpm when they shift. Nobody likes or wants you here so take your ignorant "beacon of reality" and your $hitty attitude somewhere else.
------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, 355's K&N, off road pipes, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors |
and do you even drive a mustang? Why dont you post a signature or at least make one up.
------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, 355's K&N, off road pipes, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors |
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