A little street driven civic in the 9s!
 

Just tought you might want to know what the competition is up too! :)

Cut and past fom honda-tech.com

60': 1.613
1/8: 6.541 @ 114.42 mph
1/4: 9.871 @ 148.46 mph

http://www.imstarracing.com/images/p...01-100/002.jpg

Re: A little street driven civic in the 9s!
 

I can see some of the responses to this already.......

Whats wrong?! I just tought you guys might want to know that some honda can finally run in the 9s with a street car! finally! :D

Thats incredible! What on earth powers it?

Did he go down the track backwards :D

that's what im wondering with full interior..and i would think they would make him have a roll cage at those speeds, and a parachute

M O N E Y...

I can strap a rocket on a roller skate, doesn't mean I want to drive it...

Hey, its whatever floats your boat. I'm sure Jason is loving life right now.

Just don't expect me to cringe in fear when the next musclebound CRX revs at me at a light with its "afterburner" lighted exhaust tip.

What, in the name of all that's holy, would a front wheel drive car need with a wheelie bar?? Everything from the front axle back serves as a wheelie bar.

Oh, and just a guess, but I'd say his being registered and street driven might just be circumventing a few emissions and inspection laws.

Gotta give him props, I guess. He certainly must have spent a big wad of $$$ to do it. I guess that is called dedication?

--nathan

So, if I understand FWD correctly (all my cars are RWD or AWD) would the car flip over onto the roof it had enough traction on launch...that would be funny as he-double-toothpicks to see!

Has that ever happened...gotta see a video to believe it...

FWD cars need wheelie bars to keep all the weight from coming off of the front wheels.

Just like RWD cars when the launch the car squats in the rear.

Yall are funny,

Actually, Dark hit it right on the head. Just a simple case of physics.

And I'm sure that all of the 9 second registered and street driven Stangs are all within the limits of the law too. In terms of emissions, any properly tuned car shouldn't have much of a problem passing emissions if equiped with a cat during the emissions test.

It isn't exactly cheap or easy to put together ANY vehicle that is daily driven and capable of single digit times...that is unless it only has two wheels.

You already have asnwer to most of the questions but here are mine!

wheelie bar: FWD cars have the same weight transfert then a RWD car. That mean less traction since there is less weight on the front wheels.

street car: Of course its on the line of being street able and street legal!

Power: 500hp at the wheels!

rollcage: Im not a pro into drag racing but I think anything in the 11s or lower need a rollcage! no!? so yes he has one!

:D

link
 

how bout you hook us up with a link so we can check out the details on the 500 hp sardine can...yes weight comes of the front of the car in fwd as well but not nearly as much as rwd car so the willie bar thing is all that amazing

M O N E Y...

I can strap a rocket on a roller skate, doesn't mean I want to drive it...

Hey, its whatever floats your boat. I'm sure Jason is loving life right now.

Just don't expect me to cringe in fear when the next musclebound CRX revs at me at a light with
its "afterburner" lighted exhaust tip.


hammer i totaly agree with you on this and i would say many would agree that it takes alot less money to make a v8 run 9s than a 4 banger....


peace

Its gonna be expensive to run 9s with a street car what ever the platform is!

2100lbs, over 500 whp, no nitrous
built/sleeved block, vtec head, gsr cams, speedpro management, 25" tires, t4 60-1 turbo, rev hard
manifold, jg intake manifold, b16 tranny.


anyway here is the link!

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=311954&page=1

Re: link
 

Yes, a RWD car will lift the front end a lot more than a FWD car but there is one small thing that you are overlooking.....ANY front end lift on a FWD car will cause excessive wheelspin.

Quote:

it takes alot less money to make a v8 run 9s than a 4 banger....

In most cases yes. It really depends on the avenue you take. You must remember, that in a lighter chassis, less power is needed to get similar 1/4 times.

I would guess maybe 20 grand or so to go that fast with a burner,and the ONE run posted may explain why he prolly didnt have a rollcage.for that amount of money I could build an 8 second ride,no doubt.I am with most of the others,I wanna see the actual time slip,I have almost 450 horses in my Stang and I hook like a MOTHER at the track,and my 60's arent that good.I have serious doubts as to the validity of this so called 9 second 4 banger,I have seen SVO 4 bangers run this with some SERIOUS money invested,Procharger,etc. but they were RWD.I wanna see a dated time slip validated. Talk is cheap,lets see valid results..my .02 yours may vary

Before you go off like that compare the weights man. I bet this CRX weighs AT LEAST 1,000 pounds less than a Stang. Possibly even less. I think it is cool. Is that an H22 or a B18 or whatever?

i wouldnt do somethin like that because i love v8's but it still gets my respect. :cool:

Later,
Nick

its 100% sure he has a rollcage! This ran 10s pass long atime a go. They would never let him race if he didnt have a rollcage!

Here is the detail of the slip! There is still no sign of the actual timeslip on the website!

60 foot 1.613
330 foot 4.391
1/8th 6.541@114.42 mph
1000 foot 8.356
1/4 9.871@148.46 mph

There is also this civic from my hometown! Its a four doors. Full interior, daily driver civic!

His best time is 10.6 @ 134 mph!

http://www.montrealracing.com/ArtIma...47/ficivic.jpg

Again,this is not car envy,just some serious doubts about the times run,I see a pic of a car,ok where's the time slip?,I can claim MY stang runs 9's but it doesnt.This isnt to argue but in my 45 years I have heard some claims that didnt hold water,if it does run those times I think that's great for the guy,but from where I come from,if your gonna make claims like that,thay make you prove it,just a thought no offense intended.If it makes him feel good,thats all that matters.LOL
We have some damn fast rice down here in Fla. and none of them run 9's but hey,I guess it's possible....

I understand! I would like to see the timeslip too!

For me its look possible since the 4 doors civic has about the same power (~500whp) but is 500 lbs heavier and run 10.6s instant of 9.8s!

Re: Re: link
 

In most cases yes. It really depends on the avenue you take. You must remember, that in a lighter chassis, less power is needed to get similar 1/4 times. [/QUOTE]

so your saying that if you take a 900 hp turbo v8 and a 500 hp turbo 4 cylinder and put them both in lets say the very light weight shelby cobra the 4 cylinder will win because the difference of about 300 lbs engine weight?you do make a good point but dont forget a v8 can be put in very light weight chassy and be driven street legaly, the shelby cobra being one example, i know this isnt your every day run of the muck honda but like you said....i guess its just the avenue you take:rolleyes:

Yes it has happened, they had one in MMFF, it was a blue mustang that fliped over backwards and slid down the track on the roof. It cought fire and burned though.

disclaimer: i am not referring to anyone on here or anyone in particular.........

a general comment on a personal observation of domestic/import arguments...........

when comparing/benchracing street cars, any "import guy" who refers fuel economy, insurance costs, or any form of practicality at all is invariably ridiculed, mocked, and told that the subject is racing, so none of that matters.........the "import guy" will receive the same type ridicule for presenting theoretical set-ups that they don't have and are countered with a "run what ya brung"

however, when some import is presented that runs a time that is considered respectable/quick/fast/whatever by even a traditional rwd domestic v8 platform..........the import is immediately discredited and the, "it costs twenty gazillion dollars to do" or "i'd put down twice the horses for that money" is countered.........it seems that practically and cost efficiency are all of a sudden the most important issues and theoretical set-ups are not only now acceptable, but the strength of the defense

:rolleyes:
Practicality isn't what's being ridiculed. It's just that fuel economy and insurance costs have nothing to do with performance...

In general (there are exceptions), the above quote is true about small 4 cylinder cars made to haul groceries. It DOES cost more money to make them fast.

Just because some don't like the statement doesn't make it irrelevant.

Also, Most of us realize that not all imports are low-powered grocery-getters. There ARE fast imports out there, but they usually don't have "dancing" lights or triplane wings.... which are the ones we put down. Of course, we've already explained this to you in an earlier thread.... So I'll shut up now....

in this instance, we aren't discussing cars with "dancing" lights or triplane wings............we are discussing a supposed 9 second honda, yet only a handful of people, many of whom seem to sing the highest praise to the 12 second stang, are willing to grudgingly give out some credit

edit: if you don't like imports, or domestics, or whatever....... thats fine, i completely understand.........in fact, i personally don't like full fledge drag cars, i don't give 2 poops about any stang that runs 6's or honda that runs 9's or whatever, but can't do anything else (it just isn't my thing).........but don't create a new standard that cars you like don't have to meet in an effort to discredit the car or the effort put into it

again, not directed to anyone in particular, or even this group as a whole........just an observation and an opinion on what i find hypocritical

[QUOTE]Originally posted by this is not cbring
[B]in this instance, we aren't discussing cars with "dancing" lights or triplane wings............we are discussing a supposed 9 second honda, yet only a handful of people, many of whom seem to sing the highest praise to the 12 second stang, are willing to grudgingly give out some credit

The highest praise you are referring to for a 12 second Stang is more based upon reality,Timeslips have been posted in the past and most all Stangs can reasonably get into the 12 sec. range.all that was asked of this post.was a timeslip,nothing more,nothing less,and yes it takes a hell of alot more money to make a ricer go fast than a Stang,if that offends you maybe you shouldnt read posts in a MUSTANG board,you surely wont see me or for that fact most any of us posting on an import board,remember where you are,and it imports are that important to you I have to ask.why the heck are you on THIS board? I still have my doubts about the claims made.Show me and all this goes away and we pat this dude on that back.simple huh?

Hey I think it is cool that someone could get a 4 cyl to run those kind of times and if it is that fast then great it would not hurt my pride one bit. I know there will allways be someone faster than you and some of that is even rice. I went with a mustang because of my obsessive love of the body and sound and name but I like all fast cars and i do not down all of them, just the ones that slap a lot of stickers on, a big coffee can exhaust that sounds like a bumble bee, an intake, a wing, and thinks they have an 11 second ride and nothing can touch them.

just my 2 cents

JaxtheDJ: i'm not gonna spend much more time on this thread, but i will address your post:

why am i here? i like cars and mustangs, however i'm not going to compromise my beliefs and opinions simply because of me company.

also, if you feel the way that you posted, i'm not addressing you. i'm not addressing those that want to see a slip, which may be difficult in this case, since the owner didn't make the post or describe the car. i'm addressing the "well, it cost $20,000" posts, or the "if i spent that, i'd be running x.xx's"........people that say that are not "giving the owner a pat on the back" it costs money to go fast, other cars will be faster........so what, its a run what ya brung world and those that act that way are making excuses

I agree with 99% of what you guys said! The only thing I have a problem with is the fact that you think its not expensive to build a 9s or 10s street Mustang?! I really beleive it wouldnt be that much less expensive. Of course there is lots of different ways to build a car! Some are more expensive then the others! Like building an naturaly aspirated drag car! My friend has a low 10s N/A Mustang! He is a professionnal engine builder (TK Motion) and hold 14 NHRA records! (not with the stang)! And he easily got over 75 000$ (thats canadian monopoly money ;) ) in the car! When you build a 9 or 10s car you cant just build an engine! You also gonna have to spend thousands and thousands of dollars into suspension, transmission, etc...

The 10s four doors civic you see above. His a street car. Started his life as a grocery car with a 1.5L engine! His setup cost him around 15 000$ (thats canadian money too). That include the engine swap and the turbo kit. From 18s to 10.6s .... It deserve respect I think!

I would like to see a time slip of his 9s too... But I trust him since his buddy also used to race a mid 10s street civic for years. I dont see his point of posting bullshit on a board full of people who actualy saw the car race that day !

Take Care!

Nothing like confusing facts with Phallacy,but hey if you like those annoying little machines I wish you well, the main reason that most people dont like the ricer cars isnt the cars themselves,it's the people who drive them,sounds like your friend is responsible enough to at least keep it on the drag strip.and if he indeed did run 9's my hat is off to him. Personally I like the Stangs best,thats why I own one. It still baffles me as to why non Mustang owners would be members of a Mustang board but to each his/her own.

The people who drive them?! Thats funny you know! So you saw a couple of clown driving civic so every civic's owner is a dumbass driving annoying machine! (I dont get whats annoying but oh well)! You dont like their attitude but at the same you have a pretty bad attitude yourself toward import cars! Think about that!

Why im here.... look at your registration date... then look at mine! Who is the newbie here my friend?????? ;) :D

Registration date?????? what the hell has that got to do with racing or owning a Stang,I have CONSTANTLY owned Stangs for over 30 years,you? I may be new to THESE boards but that has nothing to do with issue. I can debate the fact that you are Canadian but that has nothing also to do with the issue.Stick to the facts or stay out of the debate and dont let this get personal.

Jack,owner current and past of over 20 Mustangs

And as you can see in my signature I used to own a Mustang 5.0L!

What you cant see is:

My brother also used to own a Mustang...

And my father drive a 1967 Mustang Convertible...

Im a domestic cars hater who come here to troll! :)

According to the infomation posted here, that is one mean CIVIC. More power to the owner and respect to any decent looking Civic (or import) with even 12 or 13s 1/4-mile times. Wish there were more serious import owners around like that and less foreign (and domestic) rice.

BTW, is it just me or has it been like forever since you've been here Special K? How's everything.

I come around once a week to read the posts. Im less interested into Mustang stuff since most of my friends now drive Honduh! ;)

We are pretty much all into racing! Some do SoloI or road racing. The others drag racing! We are all building our cars right now! Im getting a turbo! I still have a couple of parts to get. Like injectors, BOV, Gauge, But I have the turbo, manifold, downpipe, intercooler, etc... sitting in my basement! :D :D :D

Im targeting ~200 whp and mid-high 13s! I should be able to do that for ~3000$.

Im trying to do the same setup then my friend! He ran 11.91 @ 121 mph two weeks ago! He was very pls since he is still running a stock block and also stock rods! The head is also 100% stock! He got a 1.6 engine just like mine!

Winter is going to be sooooooo long! :D

psssssssssht!

Thats my friend on the pic. Guess who won! ;):D
http://www.exa-club-tr.com/2002-10-12/DCP_0019.JPG

Ahhhhh...the good old days. I remember when Special K first got his Civic...back when there were suprisingly more open minded individuals on this board. There were also quite a few f-body members and even a few mopar guys. I agree that this is primarily a Stang cite, but most real car enthusiast don't care about brand or cost....they care about performance...and if your car performs, it does. No need to argue costs, or the vehicles origins as a grocery getter....if it runs, it runs period.