LS-1 Humpers, Bite Me.

[Unit 5302]

I'm so sick and tired of this bullshit. Yeah, you are all right. A gears, exhaust, minor modded Mustang GT doesn't stand a chance vs an LS-1. Kiss my ***. Better yet, I'll kick your *** with my near stock 87 GT which remains UNDEFEATED vs the LS-1. 3 Races, 3 Victories, 1 by a mile.

If you want to hump the LS-1's tailpipes, go get one and get the **** off the Mustang boards.

My 87GT. 3 core radiator, flex fan, G3 alternator (larger pulley ), removed silencer, custom K&N filtercharger kit, BBK high flow 2.5" cats, dynomax super turbo 2.5" cat-back, Z spec T-5 (2.95:1 1st ratio), 2.73 gears, these races occured between 135-155k on the engine.

Race #1 vs Camaro SS LS-1 Vert. Highway roll. I ran the little punk from 50mph to well over 100mph. Me by 1 car.

Race #2 vs Trans Am WS6 LS-1 Vert. From a stop. Me by a buncha cars to 80mph, easy.

Race #3 vs Camaro Z28 LS-1. From street start to high 3rd gear (probably 100+). Me by 1/2 car.

This ridiculous LS-1 is untouchable attitude really pisses me off. Especially when people come out of the woodwork to call BS. You can call BS on any kill you want on the LS-1 sites. I suggest you go there because I have beaten them, and my 87 didn't even have bumped timing. It may be a factory freak, but it's no 12 second car. All this take it to the track pisses me off as well. Send me the frickin $100-$200 it'll cost me to take my car to a track here and maybe I will. Until then, my horrible *** country road spinning to 40mph in 1st gear Gtech run, out of tune, hot from running for an hour straight, missing at low speeds cause it hadn't had a tuneup in 30,000mi, extra weight carrying, dirty *** K&N adventure yielded a 14.19@103.8mph. Before a bunch of people start whining about me not having my car setup and making excuses, I work for a living and I really don't feel like bustin *** in the wet when it's 30* out to fix my car up at night.

There isn't a pre-LS-1 that has even been able to save decent face when racing me. SS's and WS6's included.

[sedanman]

RIGHT , you are pretty funny. I will tell you what I will post this on LS1.com and Camaroz28.com and we will find some local guys with stock or near stock LS1 to race you than we can hear both sides of the story

[blue00gt]

I agree with ya, Unit. Everyone knows that LS1 GM's are fast and capable of great times even stock, but that doesn't mean that their owners necessarily know how to drive to get good times. I have seen several people, one of my friends included, that have these cars and burn the tires like crazy on the launch or don't shift at high enough rpms. That doesn't mean that I think my car is faster, but it takes more than just the car to get down the road and win a race.

[sedanman]

Ok saying that they can't drive all the time is getting really old, first the race in question involved speeds way higher than were a bad driver applies.

I mean think about what you are saying!

You saying that a 00GT beat a SS camaro is no different than someone claimming a Bone stock 02 V6 mustang or a 95+ V6 camaro beats a bone stock 00GT! I mean the spread in hp from the LS1 to the GT is 65hp 325 vs 260 the spread from the two V6 cars to the GT is 200 vs 260 60hp difference but my guess is if some stock V6 camaro or mustang came on hear claiming to beat a 00GT you would flame him to holy hell!

So get off your high horse and join us back down here on earth.

Thanks

[mike_navigator]

sedanman face it anything can happen. there is a brand new SS with ported heads and a cam btw its an auto with a torque verter. and on motor he runs 13's tops. on n2o he runs low 12's
he gets ran by the 5.0 cobras with the only mod is nitrous. so face it, it can happen i have seen it happen personally. I have seen LS1's go 15's and a new ZO6 go 15.6, anything is possible.

[StoplightWarrior]

Unit first let me say I've got nothing but love for you.

With that being said...I would love to come up to where you live with my GT and kick your 87 GT's butt! I know my auto stang could do it, but at the same time, I can't beat the LS1's.

Are you sure these LS1 guys were giving it all they had when you ran em?
I mean I've heard of factory freaks, but I've just heard so many kills stories from you over the years, always believing your stang was fast, but slaughtering LS1's just doesnt add up. I'm not kissing LS1 *** any more than they deserve it, but they are definitely for real. Seriously, dont take any offense at this. I'm not calling BS or anything, but unless your GT was the fastest stang to ever come off the assembly line, something is missing here. You sure you haven't been running a 75shot all these years, and not telling??? What's up?

[EZRIDN]

Unit are you interested in running some of the guys with LS1s in your area?

Just respond Yes or No. I will check into it if your interested.

[Coupe5oh]

I have beaten a few off the line, but anyone, even a sorry driver can floor it, and pull a stock headed mustang anywhere over 80-100 mph, the e7 heads just dont make enough power, and werent designed to.

Now i have outran one 00 6sp t/a on the track, he was running 14.0's at 103, and i would say he needs practice, so yes unit, i always got your back, your car is speed density (i assume) and will probaly run like crazy, and i can see you point,

pulling ls1's from 100mph+...? there is heads and cam 5.0's that can barely do that. so i see both sides, on the street i can leave them staring at my tailights being i weight 3120.

[explicitone]

Come on guys I see your guys point and his but lets take a closer look the first 2 races were verts we all know there fat to much weight and unit are you sure the Z28 was a ls1 motored z or a pre ls1. Im not saying anything bad about you or saying its BS but we all do make mistakes.

[Dark_5.0]

After my latest round of mods I went to the track looking for LS1's and on my best run to date a 13.7 @100mph @3000ft. I got slaughtered by an auto LS1 by 2 cars and he was near stock. "I think"

If Unit is smoking LS1's like that he has a fast car. Faster than mine.

I personaly think Unit is not a liar.........Maybe there was some work done to the car before he had it that isnt obvious......Or maybe he is a bad @ss driver and has a factory freak.

I am not kissing the LS1's @ss but I am forced to respect them when I find myself staring at tail lights.

In all honesty I am probably 3 - 25 against LS1's at the track, but in my defense alot of them are not anywhere near stock.

No flames intended.
Later,

[Unit 5302]

I don't make mistakes when it comes to cars I'm racing. My 87GT will trap over 100. It was about to do a slaughter on my 01 GT, so StoplightWarrior, bring it on. Your auto GT doesn't stand a chance in hell. I doubt you'd take me even if you had 4.10s. By the way, the "are you sure he was racing" line is just insulting.

Sure, find some local stock LS1 races for me. I'll put the 87 back together for a couple, EZRIDN. Those LS-1's will get beat or beat me by very little if they are stock.

sedanman. You're one sorry SOB. Check out what the new GT drivers are doing. Average LS-1 guy, mid/high 13. Good LS-1 guy low/mid 13. New GT with average driver flat/low 14. Good driver high 13. So even an average driver in an LS-1 will have his hands full with a good driver in a new GT. They don't have to be crappy drivers. Pull your cock outta the LS-1's tailpipes before you start posting here, cause I'm sick of dumbass statements like you're making. I'd be more than happy to kick the leg outta the "high chair" you're sittin in.

[Unit 5302]

Oh and btw, I don't wanna hear ANY more BS calling on anybody when they beat LS-1's after my GT shows taillights to your buddies. If you can find some guys that will actually run me and not chicken out. So pick 'em. If we are to run and they don't show, I'll count it as a victory for the 87. I don't have time to waste on this crap.

[Dark_5.0]

Damn I just reread my post and realized how bad it sounded.

Just for the record I am 3-3 against LS1's since I did the heads and intake.

I hope to have a winning record by the end of the year.

Later,

[StoplightWarrior]

Originally posted by Unit 5302
I don't make mistakes when it comes to cars I'm racing. My 87GT will trap over 100. It was about to do a slaughter on my 01 GT, so StoplightWarrior, bring it on. Your auto GT doesn't stand a chance in hell. I doubt you'd take me even if you had 4.10s. By the way, the "are you sure he was racing" line is just insulting.

Are you kidding me? Seriously, were you drinking and posting?? Let's take a look at this situation. My car is making 260hp stock. With what I've added, let's be conservative:

1. Bassani X-pipe (8hp)
2. Steeda Pulleys (6hp)
3. C&L Cold air, 80mm MAF (5hp)
4. Custom Tuned Chip, bumped timing (5hp)

All these power mods are probably underrated, but just so I don't overrate anything, we'll go with them. So that gives me a total of 284hp, and it's all going through some 4.10 gears in the back, and shifting hard thanks to a shift kit. So no, I hate to say it, but your H-pipe equipped ~235hp stock GT will not come out on top in this one.

Think about it like this: If I came on here time and time again and posted about beating Z06's, even C5's, I'm sure the BS flag would be raised.
I have personally witnessed a BONE STOCK 01 WS6 pull a 12.9!!! These cars can flat out run. I'm sorry, but 87 GT's do not have a chance in hell against a car with 100 more horses.
I have bit my tongue long enough with your posts!!!
Get a race on tape that shows you beating one of sedanman's or ezridn's LS1 bud's and I will eat my words. But I'm calling it right now: There is no way your GT is any faster than 13.7 on street tires. Best of luck to you.

[sedanman]

Originally posted by Unit 5302
If we are to run and they don't show, I'll count it as a victory for the 87. I don't have time to waste on this crap.

Maybe thats how you got all your LS1 kills by them not showing (probably cause they did not want to waste their gas).

[sedanman]

Originally posted by Unit 5302

sedanman. You're one sorry SOB. Check out what the new GT drivers are doing

You act like I don't like new GT's I love them unfortunately they just arn't fast enough from the factory!

Originally posted by Unit 5302

Average LS-1 guy, mid/high 13. Good LS-1 guy low/mid 13. New GT with average driver flat/low 14. Good driver high 13. So even an average driver in an LS-1 will have his hands full with a good driver in a new GT. They don't have to be crappy drivers

Compare traps dumb *** after all we were talking about a race to 110+!

Originally posted by Unit 5302

I'd be more than happy to kick the leg outta the "high chair" you're sittin in.

Cool I will begin sturring up Z's, T/A's and vettes in your area to race.

This is going to be too funny.

[Mercury]

Hmmm...WIth all this big talk Sedanman, have you ever drove a LS-1 at the track??? Have you actually ever drove one hard???

Also, theres a big hole in your TIME SLIP only EVIDENCE. Anyone who has ran at the track, even those of us who havent know that the time slips from one side of the country (hell, even state) are going to vary greatly. There are varying factors such as atmosphere, humidity, density (Altitude) that may have a car that runs 12.8's in one place run 13.3's in another.

ONe night a car may run 13.8's only next week run 14.2's because of these factors. Or do you know Mother Nature also, so she can clear the skies, suck away the humidity and make all things equal.

I know there were some members here at the 5.0 Civil wars. Lets see, there was a 2001 LS-1 Z28 6spd running consecutive 13.5's, 13.6's at 104....And a Moddified WS-6 running low 13's at 107....Oh but Wait....There was also a 100 percent bone stock Bullit GT running consecutive 13.61 at 104. Hmmm..He did that on 3 runs, and he was bone stock at that.

How about proof in them there Time Slips Buddy boy. Times that other members here have seen.

[FivepointOH]

Wow this is getting intresting... sorry to say but I have to side with sedanman and the rest of the guy in that an ls1 will slaughter you at freeway speeds... it's SIMPLE MATH ls1=305hp 87gt= we'll go way high and say 250hp

305-250=55hp that he has up on you and if I remember correctly 10hp=.1 in the 1/4 or a car length which would mean he should beat you by at least 5 cars lengths.... as to the stock 99 gts beating ls1's... maybe but not from a high speed roll or up to high speeds unless the ls1 is missing shifts or can't drive or something...... let's do the math again 305-260=45 or .45 in the 1/4 and almost 5 car lengths again..... and yes there is the gearing and weight factor to be considered too but it still doesn't make up the difference..... not saying the ls1's are untouchable just way freaking quicker stock vs stock than your 87 or a new gt.

[explicitone]

UNIT let me ask you this you hate when people diss your ride right..... So why must you diss there rides (camaros etc.etc.) is it because they have more power and are faster from the get go. dont get me wrong i do not like chevys at all but I will give them respect for there power and speed and be glad I dont own one because they seem to shake rattle and roll after 6mnths-1yr think about it does it make them less of men and women because they chose to like or in my chasw love my ride just be cause you dont like them... there car people just like us but they chose a diff car(racing is racing its not the car your in but the love for the sport)

[Hyper92GT]

Well we could go back and forth all day. We need Unit to race a stock or close to LS1. Set one up.
Personally, I get nervous when I pull up to an LS1 and no offence Unit but even if you beat me on the launch, to 110MPH you would be 8-10 cars back! I had an 88lx coupe, trapped 98mph - prob. in the same ball park as your 87, I can tell you any decent LS1 driver would kick my butt, especially from a highway roll.
I thing variety on the board is cool, as long as everyone respects eachothers opinions. Unit you seem cool and can prob. drive really well, hey I'm gonna put you on the "who do you want to race from this board thread"
later
Mike