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LS1 goes down to a 6-banger!
OK, there I was minding my own business heading home from Hope Depot with a 40lb. bag of concrete mix and some other stuff in the trunk on my '87 GN. A nearly full tank of approximately 50-50 mix of Amoco 93 and Sunoco 100 is in the tank. With just me and less than ½ tank of gas the total weight is 3800lbs. I'm guesstimating my total weight was around 3900lbs at that time.
My one and only trip to the strip netted the following times (60', 660'@mph, 1320'@mph):
Not too good considering I have a Jay Carter 93 street chip, 9" K&N, Terry Houston 3" downpipe Jet-Hot-coated downpipe, Walbro 307 amd Accufab regulator, and Sunoco 100 in the tank. All mods are listed here. Looks like I'm hurting mainly on the top end. There's no posi so I didn't expect the 60' times would be that good on street tires. I would expect a bone stock GN to run 97mph in the ¼-mile. I thought I'd run at least 100mph with my mods. Anyway, the race took place on an Interstate overpass. There's stoplights on both sides, for the on/off access ramps. The distance between the lights is about 1/8-mile, give or take a few feet. There's a new white Z28 in the right lane at the red light. I brake torque it and one wheel breaks loose. I look over but he keep looking straight ahead. He lunged his Z28 forward in anticipation. Green light - GO! I've got a little spin, and I think he did too. I put the pedal to the floor when the peg-leg hooks and by that time he was ahead by a fender. But I quickly reeled him in and put a fender on him. As we approach the stoplight on the other side, which were green, he dropped back some more. Did he lift? I don't know. But I've got at least a car on him. The 4-lane merges into a two lane. I hit the brakes and slow down to let him go by. We exchange the obligatory "thumbs up" and I make a U-turn at the merge. I get on the Interstate access ramp and head home, claiming victory. |
I know you might get burned a little by other people on why you post something else other than a mustang burnin someone but nice kill anyways. I like when a variety of people post stuff. The Club Si forum is hardly about Si's!!
------------------ 1993 Mustang GT - March Ram Air, K & N filter charger, Pullies, Super Competition Hooker Headers, 2 1/2 in. mendrel bent cat back, High Flow H-Pipe, Pro 5.0 Power Tower |
Your car would be a close run with mine http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif
------------------ 90 lx coupe: Mac cold air fenderwell, accel supercoil,advncd ignition,3-core radiatr, FMS alum D/S, Black magic fan, 3.27grs, 3chbr flows. Best time: 14.20(on 225/60/15 firehawks) Best mph 97.80 Best 60' 2.1 next mods: subframes, 3.73's |
lyonsd
You have a really nice car. I love Grand Nationals. My first favorite car is the Mustang. 2nd is the Grand National (specifically '87). With the gears I got on now, if we raced, it'd be a GOOD race. You 90dpscoupe and I should get together and run each other. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif Aren't you glad you got the GN instead of the Impala??? http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...board/wink.gif BTW, what gears you got?? “…because, no one’s really gonna be free until nerd persecution ends.” ---Revenge of the Nerds ------------------------------- '79 Mustang Coup 4" Cowl Weld wheels (15x6;15x8) Stock 5.8L C4 w/ shift kit 1.5" MAC full length headers Holley 750 CFM Edelbrock intake 2.5" Off road H-pipe, 2-chamber Flowmasters 8.8" Rear end w/ 2.73:1 gears (sucks!) (awaiting installation of 3.55s) Front: 225/60/15 Rear: 255/60/15 Eagle GT II Sucky Purolator air filter that's choking my car. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...gboard/mad.gif |
Dude, before you react to my post keep in mind that anyone on this site who knows me will tell you I don't subscribe to the flame everything that is not Pro-Chevy mentality. I've even made suggestions to some members racing LS1s of how to take advantage of the LS1's weaknesses and I've posted kills where I've been killed by Mustangs and Supras. With that in mind, read this post and you will see what I think you ran into.
http://web.camaross.com/bb/Forum6/HTML/025563.html Check out the pics of the car reffered to in that post http://www.geocities.com/melwebdesign/P9150102.jpg http://www.geocities.com/melwebdesign/P9150101.jpg http://www.geocities.com/melwebdesign/P9150097.jpg I'm not flaming or critizing your kill...but I think you may have run into a car like this one which would account for it's lack of LS1-ish performance. I can tell you that on my worst day I ran a 14.56 missing third so it just makes it hard for me to believe that the car you ran into was an LS1 on the inside. That's I guess one of the reasons that the owner of that post got hammered so hard, cause it can get confusing. ------------------ 1999 Z28 M6 Arctic White, MTI-Clear Lid w/K&N, B&B Triflo, BMR STB, Pro 5.0 Power Tower, 160 Powerstat, HPP3, TB Coolant bypass, Ported MAF, Taylor 409 wires(10.4 mm), NGK TR-55s, Redline Synthetic Lubricants, K&N oil filter, AIM Screen name:POWRD BY LS1 |
Do you live in a high altitude area? my buddys stock GN ran 13.9 @ 97mph stock! I do like GN's they are easy to mod and respond quite well! I have only had my LS1 T/A to the track 1 time and made only 2 passes, my car is basicaly stock with 273 gears and street tires, the first pass I punched it and roasted the tires, got out of it and then back into it, 2nd run I rolled out and eased into it it spun just a little bit, here how the two runs went:
60FT: 2.765 1/8 : 10.023 MPH : 82.63 1/4 : 14.663 MPH : 105.93 __________________ 2ND PASS: 60FT: 1.996 1/8 : 8.595 MPH : 84.71 1/4 : 13.176 MPH : 106.49 with a set of drag radials I could have got a high 12 sec pass out of the car. ------------------ 98'Trans Am LS1 273 gears Whisper lid,K&N,Whisper MAF ends,Flowmaster,Best ET on street tires 13.17 @ 106.49mph |
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Ls1jay, look at your 1/8 mile mph's? they are only 2mph apart? im just confused, i mean i dont see how you made up for that mph, after losing so much traction? and more than a full second difference in the 1/8 mile time.
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90dpscoupe, Its because the first pass I just sat there spinning, got out of it, and then back into it! I had not moved much from where I started! I could send you a copy of the actual time slip if you wan't and you could look at it!! it would be the same as if you tripped the light at the track and sat there for 10 minuted, you could still get the same MPH, I spun for a few feet and lost a little MPH, then got back into it and still managed to get a good MPH, just not as good as when I eased into the throttle and just spun a bit and it took off, thats how I made the 2nd pass!! I may have lost some MPH on the 2nd pass because I hot lapped the car and the engine temp was at about 185 degrees or so! let me know if you want to see the slips!!
JAY ------------------ 98'Trans Am LS1 273 gears Whisper lid,K&N,Whisper MAF ends,Flowmaster,Best ET on street tires 13.17 @ 106.49mph |
Okay, okay..ease up on the exclamation points just a tad bit. Sentences also end with periods too.
------------------ 1993 Mustang GT - March Ram Air, K & N filter charger, Pullies, Super Competition Hooker Headers, 2 1/2 in. mendrel bent cat back, High Flow H-Pipe, Pro 5.0 Power Tower |
Your last 2 posts combined have no sentences ending with a period http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...gboard/eek.gif
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You did use a question mark once though, I will give you that http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...rd/biggrin.gif
------------------ 1993 Mustang GT - March Ram Air, K & N filter charger, Pullies, Super Competition Hooker Headers, 2 1/2 in. mendrel bent cat back, High Flow H-Pipe, Pro 5.0 Power Tower |
Ok, ok, it's not that important, but i know you can get a good mph after spinning, just not that much time difference, and same mph, cool though http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif
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It seems like I always get some flack about my post and I guess that 90spcoupe does not believe me, but that's ok I don't realy mind I know that some of you guy's don't realy like LS1 owners but thats ok to, I know what my times were that day and have the slips to prove it, I have been dragracing for 13+ yrs I have made more passes down the track than most and am not a beginner, these ET's and MPH's are accurate. oh and by the way here are some !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for ya'StreetStang30!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...board/wink.gif
------------------ 98'Trans Am LS1 273 gears Whisper lid,K&N,Whisper MAF ends,Flowmaster,Best ET on street tires 13.17 @ 106.49mph |
Dude, i dont dislike anyone, especially (any) fellow members of this site, whatever car they own. I just wanted to question ya, and you said you missed a gear and still ran a 14.5? i think you could of made up for it a little better like a 14.3-1, because a low 13 second car should only spend a couple tenth's regaining, maybe you took your time, dont know?
i missed 3rd and still ran 14.7 running a crx. ------------------ 90 lx coupe: Mac cold air fenderwell, accel supercoil,advncd ignition,3-core radiatr, FMS alum D/S, Black magic fan, 3.27grs, 3chbr flows. Best time: 14.20(on 225/60/15 firehawks) Best mph 97.80 Best 60' 2.1 next mods: subframes, 3.73's |
LS1Jay,
I welcome you here. Good to have a mix. Every once in a while, a guy will post some 1/4 mile times that just don't add up (not saying it's you). People here are just watching out for those kind of people so they usually question anything that looks kinda weird. That's all. If you know what you ran, explain the apparent discrepancy and don't worry about it. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif You always get some flack about your posts? That's not too abnormal for an LS1 driver in a Ford Mustang message forum, yes? “…because, no one’s really gonna be free until nerd persecution ends.” ---Revenge of the Nerds ------------------------------- '79 Mustang Coup 4" Cowl Weld wheels (15x6;15x8) Stock 5.8L C4 w/ shift kit 1.5" MAC full length headers Holley 750 CFM Edelbrock intake 2.5" Off road H-pipe, 2-chamber Flowmasters 8.8" Rear end w/ 2.73:1 gears (sucks!) (awaiting installation of 3.55s) Front: 225/60/15 Rear: 255/60/15 Eagle GT II Sucky Purolator air filter that's choking my car. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...gboard/mad.gif |
90pscoupe, I didn't miss a gear, it's a automatic (A4) and I did run a 14.6, I did hessitate for a moment, I started to just coast down the track, but decided to get back into it to see what kinda' MPH I would get since this was my first pass as the 1/4 mile track, I noticed that in your profile you like to fish, well so do I, mainly Bass, but I do some saltwater fishing too! I also build custom fishing rods, I have a website for Fishing, Rod building & My T/A if you would like to see them let me know and I'll post them up here for you, I also play the guitar, I have been for 13YRS, and playing the drums for 23YRS, and love dragracing!!!! so I guess we have very similar intrests. Oh and thanks for the welcome Fox Body!!!!! Later Guy's http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...board/wink.gif . JAY
------------------ 98'Trans Am LS1 273 gears Whisper lid,K&N,Whisper MAF ends,Flowmaster,Best ET on street tires 13.17 @ 106.49mph [This message has been edited by LS1JAY (edited 01-23-2001).] |
LS1JAY, it would be the same if a Cobra or a GN claimed a 13.1, stock. There would be a few questions. If you can do it, great. Most of us have never seen it for any of the afore mentioned cars. Stock, specific.
Rev ------------------ '66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph 1/4 mi. |
Rev, My car is basicaly stock, my only mods are listed in my signature below + here is my 13.1 timeslip.
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewP...046&p=36600960 http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...board/wink.gif JAY ------------------ 98'Trans Am LS1 273 gears Whisper lid,K&N,Whisper MAF ends,Flowmaster,Best ET on street tires 13.17 @ 106.49mph |
Oh yeah, here is a picture of my car, my buddy's 89'LX which runs mid 12's on the motor, and my buddy's Vette, this was on the day we went to DeSoto dragstrip,
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewP...046&p=36600773 http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...board/wink.gifJAY ------------------ 98'Trans Am LS1 273 gears Whisper lid,K&N,Whisper MAF ends,Flowmaster,Best ET on street tires 13.17 @ 106.49mph [This message has been edited by LS1JAY (edited 01-23-2001).] |
LS1JAY,. I didn't see a track name or a date on that that slip. What's with that? why can't you show us a real one? I think I know the real reason. Why don't you just admit it?
Rev ------------------ '66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph 1/4 mi. |
Oh hell yea, those cars are sweet, and i always like red cars http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...rd/biggrin.gif nice t/a
I had a red 78 4sp, but went the mustang way. Yea i see you live in florida, the only other state with more waterways than TX http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif Damn, didnt think about missing a gear with an auto? sorry, but seeing your car makes me more scared of my aunts 01 ws6 http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...gboard/eek.gif, What kind of mods does your friends stang have.....cool pic ------------------ 90 lx coupe: Mac cold air fenderwell, accel supercoil,advncd ignition,3-core radiatr, FMS alum D/S, Black magic fan, 3.27grs, 3chbr flows. Best time: 14.20(on 225/60/15 firehawks) Best mph 97.80 Best 60' 2.1 next mods: subframes, 3.73's |
I say we give LS1Jay a break. With good air, a good driver, and a good launch, LS1s are known to run low 13s on street tires. You occasionally hear of a T/As running high 12s on street tires, but that's kinda rare. I mean, low 13s with an LS1 just isn't that unusual so I don't know what the issue is.
So he ran 14.6. Jay didn't have to post the results from that run, but he did anyway. With a 2.8 60 ft. time I imagine he lost a lot of time due to wheelspin. Anyway, welcome to the site Jay and I think you'll find the members here are ok guys. ------------------ '91 LX Procharger, 3 row intercooler, extrude honed Cobra intake, Mac full Length Headers, 30# inj., 73mm C&L, 75mm tb, E303 cam, 289 rods, ported E7 heads, MSD, T-Rex w/255 lph Walbro, 5 lug conversion, Cobra R wheels, 3.27 gears and Moser Axles. |
Yeah guys, lets not get on him too hard. Rev, these cars do run pretty damn fast stock. I know its frustrating, but its true. He does have a few mods, and those simple mods that he does have respond very well on those LS1's.
Lets try not to have so much hostility here guys. Don't jump on each other so quick. Nice to have anothe camaro guy here. I'm jelous your cars faster than mine and its almost stock http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif. Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS Heads, Edelbrock intake, E-303, 3.73's, 1 5/8 shortys, Offroad-H, 2chamber flows, 36psi FPR, 15degrees timing, 70mm tb, 73mm maf, 24lb inj, Crank pulley, MSD6A, Alum driveshaft. On its way: Paxton Sn-89 with dyno tuning and long tubes. Just added: B&M Ripper, Weldin Subframes, & Turn downs! 13.2@106mph |
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Rev, I was at the track and saw the car run. Desoto dragway uses an older 386 processor and program to run their track setup. Since they are worried about it's Y2K compliance they bump the date way back and never change it. Also, for the past 2 years that I have been running there the class is always set to Harley. Go figure. Check my signature for what the timeslips look like. I was there on the same days that Jay was.
I've also been able to get my car down to 12.2s on street tires, Goodyear RSAs to be exact. It took alot of tire burning before staging to get them to stick. I now have some pep boy specials on the back for the next time out at the track since I ate up the RSAs pretty quick. I've got a slip around here somewhere from when I ran a 13.3 at 95mph. I ran a 7.8X 1/8th but the car got squirley on the 2-3 so I just kept it at that speed. jess ------------------ 99 Z28 A4 3.23 Lid/Filter,MAF,MACs/OR,cutout,tb,MW3200 stall 321rwhp/330rwtq The Sled stock vs mods dyno Time slip |
90dpscoupe, I will try and remember all my friends mods to his stang, 302 EFI, 351 windsor heads-ported-polished-& shaved, GT40 intake, 530+ lift cam, pulleys, march ram air,K&N, larger mass air meter, larger throttlebody, 373 gears+5speed, weld draglites, ET streets, suspension work,your basic other stuff but all on motor! motor is not bored. also, thanks NO SLO PK for you'r word of confidence that goes for Skyman too!! thanks! and Rev, the reason I didn't show the whole slip was because I did not know I had to! I put that up on my website just for the heck of it, and trimmed it up to look neat not to hide anything, it was a bi-run no one else on the slip but me, maybe later tonight I will get out the slip and post the whole thing up there just for you Rev! remember I am at sea level in Fl and it was a nice day 55-60 degrees. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...board/wink.gif
------------------ 98'Trans Am LS1 273 gears Whisper lid,K&N,Whisper MAF ends,Flowmaster,Best ET on street tires 13.17 @ 106.49mph |
Oh yeah,Ledsled1 thanks for adding that! your car kicks a$$!!!! http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...board/wink.gif
------------------ 98'Trans Am LS1 273 gears Whisper lid,K&N,Whisper MAF ends,Flowmaster,Best ET on street tires 13.17 @ 106.49mph |
OK guys, I guess I'm just the perennial skeptic. 13.1 is a 1/2 sec. faster than the stock LS1's that I've seen at the track, that's HRP (sea level). I guess the picture of the time slip is just a cropped shot, ommitting the track and date. I appologize for coming on stonger than I intended. If LS1JAY's car runs a 13.1, then I'm happy for him. He'll waste a lot of other LS1's, Cobras, and modded Stangs.
Rev ------------------ '66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph 1/4 mi. |
It kills me. Alot of the guys around here run better than my car did stock. But I have also picked up better per mod than anyone else. I guess it's better that way. I'd rather start slow and then pickup faster. John (Raughammer) runs at HRP also. He ran around a 13.1 stock also. He runs mid 11s now with boltons. Look for his car out there. It is cayane red and it's a 98 Z28 automatic.
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O,K, Rev, I forgive you! no big deal, hey my buddy's Mustang ran 7.99 in the 1/8 mile last night that should make you happy Rev. it's a 89 LX, 5.0, 351 Windsor heads-ported-polished shaved,512 lift cam,longtube headers,373's,ETC,on E.T streets. I was happy for him, Hey Leadsled1, I saw some videos of "the pepper" mid 11 sec. passes, he had one heck of a holeshot!! maybe you should post his website up here, he has some cool videos.
------------------ 98'Trans Am LS1 273 gears Whisper lid,K&N,Whisper MAF ends,Flowmaster,Best ET on street tires 13.17 @ 106.49mph |
Hee, hee, your buddy's Stang runs a full second faster than mine in the 1/8 th. My best is 9.086/80.69. Actually I like all fast cars. Even European and Asian. Its only posers that I object to, and there aren't many on this board fortunately.
Rev ------------------ '66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph 1/4 mi. |
Mine is 9.0 @77 mph
------------------ 90 lx coupe: Mac cold air fenderwell, accel supercoil,advncd ignition,3-core radiatr, FMS alum D/S, Black magic fan, 3.27grs, 3chbr flows. Best time: 14.1623(on 225/60/15 firehawks) Best mph: 97.80 Best 60': 2.0728 next mods: subframes, 3.73's |
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