Will my car pass emmsions?

93CobraR · 10-20-2001, 09:23 PM

Well, I got some bad news. I just sold my car. I have had it since I was 13 and the day I bought it my dad said he never was going to let me drive it, so I had to make it worse. I made it faster. I just now relized that I'm not going to be able to drive it and I'm sick of dumping my money into it. So I found a 65 Fastback 289 Hi-po 4spd. that I'm going to buy. Anyway the guy that bought it has to take it threw emmisons, and I need to get it to pass. So do you guys think it will just pass if I throw a set of cats on it? It DOESN'T have a smog pump, or and of the lines for the smog stuff, also it has the ports in the back of the heads pluged off. My other mods are in my sig. Thanks alot.

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10-21-2001, 01:22 AM

There's something called the "Grandfather Clause". It basically states that if the car didn't come with it, then it doesn't have to have it. When I had my 69, I never had to worry about smog and neither should you. You should not have to pass any emissions tests with that car because it never had smog equipment on it to begin with. I would definately not worry about it. I was living in VA when I had my 69, and unless they're doing something weird where you are, this should apply to you as well.

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93CobraR · 10-21-2001, 08:13 AM

No, I'm talking about for my 87 Gt. Thanks anyway.

Mustang_289 · 10-24-2001, 02:25 PM

I live in VA and the laws to the best of my knowledge haven't changed. If a car didn't come with smog gear such as cats there is no problem with passing emmissions.

That's one of the beauties about owning a pre-smog vehicle, no smog, no cats, no drain on HP!

Chevyguy · 10-24-2001, 02:37 PM

Here in Mass the buyer of the car can return it to you and demand the money back if it won't pass inspection which includes the full dyno emissions test on all 84 and newer cars and trucks.

Without any of the smog pump hardware and with offroad H pipe it will be tough to pass a full sniffer test and could fail a visual inspection at the least. Each state has different rules regarding this, MASS does no visual inspection, if it blows clean they dont care how you did it.
( climbing on soapbox)
I still don't understand why everyone tears out all the smog pump stuff, the pump has a minimal power drain and not passing emmissions really sucks cus you have to get it re-tested etc... ( Off soapbox)

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93CobraR · 10-24-2001, 07:22 PM

Well, I sold the car to a buddie of mine and I'm not really worried about him wanting to sell it back. This is my QUESTION if we put a set of cats on it will it pass without the smog pump and the ports in the back of the heads being plugged? The H-pipe will just be on there long enough to get it tested and then it will come off. He already took it and they said everything under the hood looked fine, just he needs to get a set of cats on it before they will even test the car. Thanks for your help.

PKRWUD · 10-25-2001, 01:22 AM

John Force could pass smog with a decent set of cats, but, without the smog pump to feed air to them to get them to the right temperature, you may just be chasing your tail.

Take care,
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Stang_ROTY · 10-25-2001, 11:50 AM

You will need the cats. I survived the test easily w/ no pump and a mild cam and surprised the hell out of the 10 dudes that were drinking beer in the back of the Ford dealership when it did pass!

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Mustang_289 · 10-26-2001, 06:15 AM

You won't need cats on the car if it didn't come with them or smog pump.. I would suggest talking to someone who does inspections. He can give you a print out of requirements for your Stang's year.. When my son and I were researching to upgrade our 88GTs exhaust I went to local inspector and he was very willing to provide info. He even made a copy of the emissions specs for our 88GT for us.

Smokedawg · 10-26-2001, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mustang_289:
[B]You won't need cats on the car if it didn't come with them or smog pump.. B]

That year car did come w/cats and smog pump as he has mentioned a few times.

I have heard to drive to the testing area, then let your car cool off for about 30 minutes, then have it tested. I have no idea what the purpose of this is though. I have also heard people say to pull one of the plug wires before you have it tested.

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Skyman · 10-27-2001, 09:32 PM

Why would you sell the car? Your 17 right? Is your dad really going to be able to tell you you can't drive it next year?

You've been going to the track too it seems like.

Why would he let you drive another mustang? Just because its slower?

Skyler

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93CobraR · 10-27-2001, 10:06 PM

Yea, I sold it because he said that I was never going to be able to drive it because it was too fast, and I have a good relationship with him, and wouldn't want to pack my bags up and leave at 18 with the car. Yea, I used to take it to the track every week. He would put it on the trailer, take it up and I would drive.
I was kinda getting sick of looking at the thing anyway. The right deal came up and I took it. I bought the car for $3000 and sold it for $8000. I found a nice 89 Lx 5.0 5 spd. It needs a fender and thats it. I was thinking I could pick it up for next to nothing and drop like a blown 347 in it or something. But then I thought about it, I would be back in the same boat. I don't really know what I want to so..... I got a stack of cash, so I'm sure I will figure it out.

Mustang_289 · 10-30-2001, 09:09 AM

Sorry about that - I read your original post where you were talking about a 69 stang. 87 does have smog and cats therefore you will need those to pass emissions in VA.

topless tire fryer · 10-30-2001, 04:07 PM

Put the cats on and you should be fine. Find the shadiest inspection station you can and try there first.

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10-20-2001, 09:23 PM	#1
93CobraR Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 1,575	Will my car pass emmsions? Well, I got some bad news. I just sold my car. I have had it since I was 13 and the day I bought it my dad said he never was going to let me drive it, so I had to make it worse. I made it faster. I just now relized that I'm not going to be able to drive it and I'm sick of dumping my money into it. So I found a 65 Fastback 289 Hi-po 4spd. that I'm going to buy. Anyway the guy that bought it has to take it threw emmisons, and I need to get it to pass. So do you guys think it will just pass if I throw a set of cats on it? It DOESN'T have a smog pump, or and of the lines for the smog stuff, also it has the ports in the back of the heads pluged off. My other mods are in my sig. Thanks alot. ------------------ 87 GT, Cobra R's,GT-40 heads,Crane 2031,1.7's, Edelbrock intake, long tubes,BBK cold air, Mass air,pulleys,Pro 5.0, King Cobra,Lakewood Lift Bars,50/50's,subframes, 4.10's. Best time 12.759 Best MPH 106.79 Best 60' 1.695 Visit my site at: http://www.geocities.com/cobrar93_2000/MyPage.html

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10-21-2001, 01:22 AM	#2
D&R Stang Guest Posts: n/a	There's something called the "Grandfather Clause". It basically states that if the car didn't come with it, then it doesn't have to have it. When I had my 69, I never had to worry about smog and neither should you. You should not have to pass any emissions tests with that car because it never had smog equipment on it to begin with. I would definately not worry about it. I was living in VA when I had my 69, and unless they're doing something weird where you are, this should apply to you as well. ------------------ Dave & Robin 88 GT, T5 306, polished crank, Speed Pro Powerforged pistons, ARP rod bolts, underdrive Crank pulley, 73mm MAF, Xtreme Energy Cam, 3.73's, 1-5/8 unequal length headers, Offroad H-pipe, 2 chamber flowmasters, turn-downs, King Cobra Clutch, Steeda adjustable clutch cable with firewall adjuster, 190lph fuel pump, Hurst Shifter, MSD 6AL and coil

10-21-2001, 08:13 AM	#3
93CobraR Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 1,575	No, I'm talking about for my 87 Gt. Thanks anyway.

10-24-2001, 02:25 PM	#4
Mustang_289 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 512	I live in VA and the laws to the best of my knowledge haven't changed. If a car didn't come with smog gear such as cats there is no problem with passing emmissions. That's one of the beauties about owning a pre-smog vehicle, no smog, no cats, no drain on HP!

10-24-2001, 02:37 PM	#5
Chevyguy Backyard Mechanic/Chemist Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Acton MA USA Posts: 435	Here in Mass the buyer of the car can return it to you and demand the money back if it won't pass inspection which includes the full dyno emissions test on all 84 and newer cars and trucks. Without any of the smog pump hardware and with offroad H pipe it will be tough to pass a full sniffer test and could fail a visual inspection at the least. Each state has different rules regarding this, MASS does no visual inspection, if it blows clean they dont care how you did it. ( climbing on soapbox) I still don't understand why everyone tears out all the smog pump stuff, the pump has a minimal power drain and not passing emmissions really sucks cus you have to get it re-tested etc... ( Off soapbox) ------------------ Frank W 90 5.0 LX Notch MAC 2.5"cat bk FMS alu ds, MSD coil, MAC shifter 2.73 gears user site 88 Notch 2.3L FOR SALE! My two Notchbacks 74 Chevy Laguna Type S-3 305 now 454 soon My web site

10-24-2001, 07:22 PM	#6
93CobraR Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 1,575	Well, I sold the car to a buddie of mine and I'm not really worried about him wanting to sell it back. This is my QUESTION if we put a set of cats on it will it pass without the smog pump and the ports in the back of the heads being plugged? The H-pipe will just be on there long enough to get it tested and then it will come off. He already took it and they said everything under the hood looked fine, just he needs to get a set of cats on it before they will even test the car. Thanks for your help.

10-25-2001, 01:22 AM	#7
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	John Force could pass smog with a decent set of cats, but, without the smog pump to feed air to them to get them to the right temperature, you may just be chasing your tail. Take care, -Chris ------------------ Retired Moderator MustangNet My site: Peckerwoods Pit Stop My teams site: Jim Porter Racing RACECAR spelled backwards is RACECAR HEY !!! Are you ASE Certified ??? If you are, ask me about iATN.

10-25-2001, 11:50 AM	#8
Stang_ROTY Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Berkshire County - Massachusetts Posts: 735	You will need the cats. I survived the test easily w/ no pump and a mild cam and surprised the hell out of the 10 dudes that were drinking beer in the back of the Ford dealership when it did pass! ------------------ Just need the sticker! Red 1993 GT 1969 351 block w/393 stroker. Edlebrock Performer heads and Performer RPM EFI, FRPP 30lb injectors & Cartech fuel system. JMS chip & MSD ignition. Dynamic Roller Myte C4, 8 pt cage, Sothside Machine bars & Sub-frames, adj. upper's, 3.73's, Koni rear shocks

10-26-2001, 06:15 AM	#9
Mustang_289 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 512	You won't need cats on the car if it didn't come with them or smog pump.. I would suggest talking to someone who does inspections. He can give you a print out of requirements for your Stang's year.. When my son and I were researching to upgrade our 88GTs exhaust I went to local inspector and he was very willing to provide info. He even made a copy of the emissions specs for our 88GT for us.

10-27-2001, 09:32 PM	#11
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	Why would you sell the car? Your 17 right? Is your dad really going to be able to tell you you can't drive it next year? You've been going to the track too it seems like. Why would he let you drive another mustang? Just because its slower? Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS TW Heads, E-303, Edelbrock intake, 70mm TB, 73mm MAF, 24lb injectors, 1 5/8 shorties, Off Road H, 3 Chamber flows, Jaz Race seats, Back seat removed, sub-frames, Roll Cage, and a 80 shot of N20. 12.54@107.4 Motor *332RWHP, 350rwtq*

10-27-2001, 10:06 PM	#12
93CobraR Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 1,575	Yea, I sold it because he said that I was never going to be able to drive it because it was too fast, and I have a good relationship with him, and wouldn't want to pack my bags up and leave at 18 with the car. Yea, I used to take it to the track every week. He would put it on the trailer, take it up and I would drive. I was kinda getting sick of looking at the thing anyway. The right deal came up and I took it. I bought the car for $3000 and sold it for $8000. I found a nice 89 Lx 5.0 5 spd. It needs a fender and thats it. I was thinking I could pick it up for next to nothing and drop like a blown 347 in it or something. But then I thought about it, I would be back in the same boat. I don't really know what I want to so..... I got a stack of cash, so I'm sure I will figure it out.

10-30-2001, 09:09 AM	#13
Mustang_289 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 512	Sorry about that - I read your original post where you were talking about a 69 stang. 87 does have smog and cats therefore you will need those to pass emissions in VA.

10-30-2001, 04:07 PM	#14
topless tire fryer All show, some go 4 now! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Franklin, NH Posts: 175	Put the cats on and you should be fine. Find the shadiest inspection station you can and try there first. ------------------ '95 Chrome Yellow GT ragtop, KN filter charger, Dynomax cat back, Accel plugs and wires, Chromed '95 Cobra R's (bought for $19.95, now 2 are warped!). http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?1883