me vs carbd 5.0
 

well this friday at test and tune im gonna run my buddy its only and 8th mile but he has been talkin mad trash about his car which should beat with no problem at all i admit, but i want some other opinions,he has a 5.0 with gt 40p heads not sure what kind of intake,eldelbrock 600 carb it think he said and a holly intake, its bored to 306 with forged flat tops and not sure about the cam, 410 gears, well he took me down the road and it feels like its got lots of bottom end but honestly my car feels faster, i know that sounds stupid but thats just how i feel,i have a 98 gt with 373 gears c&l 80mm maf kit,offroad h and flowmaster cat back,steeda tri ax,he should blow me away but i honestly think my car feels faster, yeh i know big difference in faster and feels faster but just give some opinions.... thanks guys

If it's tuned right, and not mismatched, he's going to destroy you. Sorry, but you're talking maybe a full second or two difference between the cars in the 1/4.

If he's got a poor cam choice, and it's not tuned right, you could win, but who knows until you run him. If your car feels faster, I would guess his isn't quite right. Fox 5.0's feel much faster than the SN95, and to top it off, his combo should be faster too.

fox 5.0s
 

has anyone else here noticed that second gear in mostly stock 87 up 5.0s seems to suck *****, maybe its just me but i have had a couple and for some reason in both i just felt like there not much there, i know that has nothing to with the race and dont make alot of since but i was just curious if anyone else thought the same thing

1 more thing
 

hes got a 100 shot on there to but he aint gonna use it and his car always smells like its running way rich,everytime i get out of the thing i smell like half burnt gas lol, maybe whoever hooked up the nos was tryin to play it safe but i dunno, just thought i would mention that

my boys 98 cobra runs real rich and has N2O and it runs real rich, but still manages 11.7 on motor..... so don't let that be your gouge. just a thought.

Your impression of 2nd gear in a 5.0 is probably due to the shape of the power curve - stock 5.0s make a ton of low end and midrange compared to the 4.6 but don't make their peak power up as high as the mod motor. When my '00 GT was stock some 5.0s would pull me slightly early on in 1st and then I would pass them in 2nd.

My mostly stock 5.0 has no problems with 2nd or 3rd gear pulls. I've got 2.73's in back, and if my clutch isn't acting up, it will kick the back end on a 2-3 powershift.

I pull LT-1's in 1,2, and 3, they get have a bit more once I go to 4, but since that's around 115-120mph, it's more of an aerodynamic thing.

update on heads
 

well come to find out that the heads on his car are just slightly worked stock 87's cause it was made from an 87 5.0,pistons are cast flat tops and its bored 40 over,the rearend came out of a ford ranger, this car was pieced together by the way lol, he traded an s10 with a 350 for it straight up,it has the stock headers if thats what you want to call them on it still too... does this make my chances any better?

Thats funny, 2nd gear is my sweet spot, its 3rd that feels slow to me, and thats where an ls1 begins walking me, ever notice a modded mustang with, say 150 shot, heads and cam, usually can dangle the wheels through all of 1st, and halfway through 2nd, depending on gearing and tires.

watch those carb setups, they can have mad topend if tuned properly.
and efi cars can feel faster sometimes, the carbed cars dont alway feel as responsive, my friends 347 650 carb, feels about as fast as my car on the street, but runs low 12's it makes alot of topend, prolly due to the vic jr. intk. he will rape me...

Alot of people underestimate what carbed cars can do. Before i got my engine done i was going around with the old 4 speed and the original 302 which had quite a few miles on it. and i could run right with fuelie 5.0's. This may not sound like a big accomplishment but i was running ith 3.08 gears and he was running 3.55's. And when tuned right carbs can make mad power. Im just waiting to find a chassis dyno to run mine with the new engine.

we couldnt wait
 

well we did a quik lil run at the local backroad straight away and he did alot of spinning and i had 3 car lengths on him by the time i let off at 85, good thin he didnt spray me hehe, now we just gotta see what happens at the track tommorow hehe

That pic looks like an 82GT. With 157hp, the only "fuelie" 5.0 your car would have been running with is a 83-85 CFI auto. The 82 5.0HO goes something like this. SROD 3spd + O/D (4spd total), 3.08 gears (you had), 302ci V-8, 369cfm 2bbl carb, single exhuast, factory cast iron manifolds, 8.4:1 CR with dished sand cast pistons, weak heads, .416/.445 198*/208* duration at .050", and a very restrictive 2bbl intake manifold.

So while carbed cars can make good power, the combo you suggest as being a fuelie competitor is a joke.

That is cool that you won the little test run but I would not let how a car feels make you think you would win. I changed my intake from a vic jr. to a performer rpm and it feels a lot faster with the performer rpm but when we took it to the track it actually ran 1 mph faster and the same e.t. as the performer rpm with the vic jr.
I think it has a lot to do with the power curve.

It sounds like you will take him on the track as long as he does not spray you.

Sounds like a traction thing...
 

If he hooks up, I think he will beat you. Spinning through 3rd gear is no way to win a race. Hope you kick his A#@ anyways.:D

the track
 

well fellas,i wish could tell ya what happened but by the time i got to the track he had already trashed his transmission running on the happy gas,he said he trashed it on the first run of the day goin from first to second...i was kinda bummed out but as soon as he gets it we are goin back,im gonna help him pull it and swap it out we have a spair rebuilt t5 at the garage so its gonna be a long sunday lol, but i will keep you guys posted

UNIT5302, didnt they offer the 4bbl HO package.....he could have the 4bbl. either way they did only make 170 something with the 4bbl

my dad has an 82 but he ripped out the 302 and dropped in the 351W crate motor 400 hp. its full drag car now with a moser 9inch rear with 4.30 gears......
best is 12.30@??? id have to get the slips

Why don't you get a nitrous system so both of you can run each other heads up, on the bottle.

1983 was the first 4bbl option since 1973. The 1982 302 came with the SROD 4 speed with the fourth being O/D. The SROD was basically an altered Ford toploader. The automatics came with a C5, I think. At least some of the auto's in 1982 were powered by an anemic 255ci 4.2L V-8. When Ford began offering the T-5 in 1983 in couple with the 4bbl Holley package on the 302, power jumped to 175hp. Then to 210hp in 1985 with the addition of a roller cam, and headers.

So to make a long story short, he had the 369cfm 2bbl, and a whopping 157hp.

When i was doing this i didnt have everything as bone stock.I was still running 2.5"duals with shorties, edelbrock performer 289 with a edelbrock 600cfm 4bbl, elec fuel pump, no smog or ac, and a few other little things. Sorry i didnt include this information earlier. But even as a stock engine it may only have 157hp but it also had 240lb ft. of torque. And torque is what gets you off the line, not hp.

You made it sound stock, and even with the mods you suggest, the car wouldn't have been strong enough to run with a well driven fuelie 5.0, unless you were racing an AOD. Your heads, compression, and cam were all weaker than the fuelie cars. You may have had a weight advantage, but your powerband and your tranny gearing would have been worse. Picking up 50hp+ from the parts you suggest is crazy. Your car would still have been less aggressive than the 85GT, which wasn't a match for the 87+ cars.

The EFI cars dominate the carb cars in torque, dispite it not meaning anything to a properly setup car anyway. 86 and 93 had 285lb/ft, and 87-92 made 300lb/ft.

I know what the differences are. I did stay right with him when we went, and his was a 92 5.0 LX. maybe his car wasnt tuned right. I know mine was running a bit rich. But thats what happened and thats what i had done. I added a cam and roller rockers but im fairly sure that i did this after we had at it. And i do remember beating a few other mustangs around 83-84 with the setup before the cam. Maybe i was a better driver, but i was fairly new to launching it and didnt do so hot. Whatever it may be i will hold true to my original statement that you have to watch out sometimes when it comes to carbed cars. You may not think it but there are some dawm fast carbs runnin out there.

dont know about fulie cars dominating carbs... me and a guy here both had alost the same set up... alum heads, stock cam with 1.7's.. couple differences were my afr's to his e'brocks.. I have a 2 1/4 exhaust to his 2 1/2... and he didnt run cats... I ran more MPH than him... and the ET's were about the same... and he ran DR's and 3.73's to my 3.55's..... both had performer intakes.... I pulled about 20 more RWHP... dont think it was just from the heads... and I would have lost most of that with the cats... ;-)

It's hard to judge cars by riding in them, I thought my friends 98 LS-1 Camaro was gonna tear me a new one because of the endless torque it felt like it had. We lined them up and I walked away, even at the top end.

BTW my stock 82 motor with a holley 600 carb, offy manifold, 5 speed, 373's, pulleys, 2 1/4" dual exhaust, and 1 5/8" headers could keep up with a lot of stock fuelies until 3rd gear.

heheh... I just swapped the 7.5 with 3.55's for am 8.8 with 4.30's... such a fun sleeper... ;-)

truckin
 

is it just me or does a 5.0s power curve seem like that of a truck motor, just a thought,my motor blows i know,but thats just how it seems to me . rip em boys!

we ran again but i wasnt driving hehe
 

well, i cant seem to get a straight answer on this motor but today he tells me he has gt40 ps and an x cam, my liscense is currently on suspension so i let my friend race him with me in the passenger side.first time my buddy bombed and spun like there was no tommorow, we lost that only by about a car,the second time we didnt spin as bad but my friend just totaly missed second, he only got us by a half a car that time, if i was driving i could have taken him if i was behind the wheel, my dawg could have taken him the second time with ease with out the bad shift, but he did win fare and square,my car is faster though, laugh all you want but this is the truth,373s in a 4.6 seem like the wind for ever compared 410s in a 5.0! but had to let you know about the loss:( ,we still gotta run at the track though!! and im gonna smoke em unless he turns on the silly juice hehe

Those carbed cars can be fast, i know of two dudes around with carb setups running low 12's one with a 302, and one with a 347, the 347 felt slow when i rode in it, but thats because im used to the torque feel in my efi, also they run victor jr. intk, and just a small holley dp carb, well on the track i saw him rape a c-5 in e.t, and mph, gas mileage wasnt the greatest, it ran fairly reliable, except for those dang regulators......

With a more mild setup, low compression, dual plane, aluminum heads, vac secondaries carb, you could see high 12's, of course on a roller motor.

BTW, to uhh slow98, 5.0's dont feel like truck motors, not with a 5spd anyway, but i know my f-150 was blowing away civcs;)

i dont know but 12.30 is pretty damn fast. so dont tell me that carbd cars are slow.

who says
 

who said carbed cars are slow? i havent seen that listed on this post anyway?? what would you guys say to building a 460 with a block thats just layin around and puttin it in an 86 body that just sittin around...good idea? hehe let me know what u think

I didn't say carbed cars were slow anywhere, either. Just because an 82GT has weak head, pistons, cam, and intake doesn't mean the aspiration device can't make power.

It just means the engine can't. Although I can't say the races above didn't go down the way they were stated, I do know the SEFI fox body 5spds in the right hands can run low/mid 14's from the factory and the stock 82HO doesn't have a prayer in hell of doing that. Car vs Car, it's not gonna happen. With variables, it certainly can.