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Need opinions - Money race
Hi guys, I need your opinion here on whether or not I should take this race.
A friend and auto technician here at my dealership has a 00 Z28. His best run stock was a 13.8 at Pomona which is a good track. He is installing 411's right now as I am typing. He wants to race me when I get my motorwork done for 50 bucks. Most of you are familiar with my car since I am a damn post junkie. I have everything in my signature and am installing a set of TFS Twisted Wedge heads port matched to a Holley intake. I am keeping my B303 cam. Do you think I can win? He should be pulling low 13's with the gear swap. With heads, cam, intake, longtubes and 355's I hope so. ------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, milled heads, 355's K&N, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors |
Yeah you can beat him. Your pulling 13.8's as your car sits right now. 4.10 gears isn't gonna help him that much.
Its ALL going to come down to traction. I rarely see those F-bodys 60' at all. As one of them told me with drag radials "I can't launch over 3000rpm with the DR's or I roast the clutch, and under 3000rpm it bogs" Its really hard for them to cut sub 2.0 60 foots. If you can hook up, get your car tuned and running well, get that power to the ground I say you win easily. Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS TW Heads, E-303, Edelbrock intake, 70mm TB, 73mm MAF, 24lb injectors, 1 5/8 shorties, Off Road H, 3 Chamber flows, Jaz Race seats, Back seat removed, sub-frames, Roll Cage, and a 80 shot of N20. 12.54@107.4 Motor 1.69 60' |
Thanks Sky, Thats what I was figuring. He thinks that the alititude and temp of my run at Famoso is total bullshit and refuses to factor it in. I think he's gonna spin the **** out of em in first while launch on the nittos.
------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, milled heads, 355's K&N, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors |
ya, have you run your car? i think you have him, as long as you don't get excited, you have it in the bag. if his gears are gonna be newly installed, he'll spin, and you'll take him. as i always say SPINNING IS SLOW! and this will prove it!
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Keep traction and u will win. Scew 50 bucks go go for more if u can get it. U shouldn't lose.
------------------ 69 428 cobra jet: tons of mods. 97 f-150 5.4 xlt mark III BUCKLE UP. SUCK IT IN. Objects in the mirror are about to disappear... QUICKLY!!!!!! |
Sky, I think we are going to race in Fontana when it opens up. So you'll be there when this goes down. You said that as long as I can get the power to the ground I should win. Well, I just installed a new clutch last month and its working great. I used the same FMS clutch from summit. I believe you said that you were using the same one.
Does ANYONE out there doubt that I will win? If not Im probably going to see if he wants to race for a hundred, or more. Daddy wants a new dampener baby! He has a REALY low opinion of Fords. He's a chevy guy all the way, always was. He thinks that I dont stand a chance without a BIG shot of nos or a supercharger to take out an LS1. In fact Im going to try to bring a lot of the guys from my work. One has a 373 stroker Chevy in an old Malibu, his brother has a modded LS1 Firebird, and another guy here has a trailor queen Mopar running 12.50's on the motor soon to be a LOT quicker. I should have a hundred shot by then. Im not going to use it on him because I agreed not to, but I want to race Sky for the hell of it. He can post here about how badly he whooped my *** http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif Sky, I want you to race Rons Mopar. Its running 12.50's now on the motor and he just had a little headwork done to it. His goal is a 11.90 on the motor but he's not going to see it. I REALLY want you to whoop his fuking A$$. He's constantly giving me $hit about my car and the money that I put into it. The hypocrite puts all his money into the damn thing and then tells me that Im stupid for modding my car the way that I have. He says that with all the money that I spent on parts I could have had a supercharger by now, and that Im stupid for buying these heads, because "its a street car and I dont need all that $hit" I told him that if I DID get a charger on a totaly stock stang it wouldnt put out much boost since a stock motor wont take too much and that my car with the heads,cam and intake will perform much better than a stock stang with a 6 lb charger. He says Im wrong. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/rolleyes.gif Anyway, I want you to whoop his *** with an 11 second daily driven mustang. I have NO doubt that you will be able to. ------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, milled heads, 355's K&N, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors [This message has been edited by fastang (edited 07-22-2001).] |
Hey Jesse, go for it man, just get your launch down and kick some LS1 a$$ http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif!
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------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, milled heads, 355's K&N, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors |
Sounds like a plan, time for us to kick some chevy and mopar *** !
We should get to the track a time or two once your combo is done to tune both our cars perfeclty and know about what were running before we race em so we can really smoke their asses. Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS TW Heads, E-303, Edelbrock intake, 70mm TB, 73mm MAF, 24lb injectors, 1 5/8 shorties, Off Road H, 3 Chamber flows, Jaz Race seats, Back seat removed, sub-frames, Roll Cage, and a 80 shot of N20. 12.54@107.4 Motor 1.69 60' |
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Dude, you got a deal. I really want you to whoop his trailor queen *** . Im sick of hearing his **** . I think this whole car thing has become borderline obsession, my girl says tht I was talking about Trick Flow in my sleep last night! http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif ------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, milled heads, 355's K&N, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors |
Sky, bring the digi cam! I want pics on the net and videos! If you download a video of our races I can show EVERYONE at work http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif
------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, milled heads, 355's K&N, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors |
I will definatly big the digital cam, and the digital video camera. I gotta post the vidoes from carlsbad last time too.
Sounds like fun. We gotta hit carlsbad or bakersfield so we can work out our combos first. Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS TW Heads, E-303, Edelbrock intake, 70mm TB, 73mm MAF, 24lb injectors, 1 5/8 shorties, Off Road H, 3 Chamber flows, Jaz Race seats, Back seat removed, sub-frames, Roll Cage, and a 80 shot of N20. 12.54@107.4 Motor 1.69 60' |
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------------------ Rick My 89lx(updated 7/20/2001) My 97 Cobra |
OK, just want to give you some first hand info I have. One of my buds has a 00 Camaro SS with auto trans. He has the following mods:
Eibach Lowering Springs - 1 1/2 inch drop LS1 Motorsports - Ram Air Lid K&N - Airfilter Hypertech Power Stat - 180 Degrees Hypertech Power Programmer - Programmed to the following.... Firmed Shift 75% Installed RFG Cooling Fan set for 180 Degree 1-2 Shift +2 2-3 Shift +2 Rev Limiter 6,300 and runs 13.2 all day long. His best time (at carlsbad) was 13.15 @ 106.57. Just lettin you know. Good luck and kick *** ! ------------------ 347 (Coast High short block), 279/284, TFS TW heads, Stealth, 750 Holley, Flowtech hdrs, Dr. Gas X, 2 Chmbr Flowmaster, MSD 6AL-Dist.& SS coil, March serpentine pulley system, Art Carr C-4 (Soon to be a Richmond 6 spd, Currie 9" w/3.55, alum Drv Shft, susp mods, Total Control subframes & tower braces, Trans Am Racing power dual master, 4 wheel disc, 17x8 Torqthrust II's Something up my sleeve ;) In a 66 coupe |
Sky, Im going to get a dyno tuned chip before then too. But we will definitely hit up Carlsbad again before the big day.
Rbatson. Im going to be using my Nitto DR's GP001 http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/eek.gif This is going to be interesting. ------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, milled heads, 355's K&N, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors |
I just realized that Im going to be cutting this pretty close and Im not going to get much time for tuning http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/frown.gif Im not going to be able to afford the intake untill the 20th of next month. Its gonna work out though.
------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, milled heads, 355's K&N, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors |
Well.. when does it open?
I wish I could get a new intake and cam also for some more power before then, but I'll just have to jet up the n20 to compensate. What do you say we try swapping TB's at carlsbad also to see if that really works. I always hear I coudl pick up like 2-3mph going to 65mm from a 70mm. Id like to see how it affects both or our motors. Its only 4 bolts. If you want to try it out. Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS TW Heads, E-303, Edelbrock intake, 70mm TB, 73mm MAF, 24lb injectors, 1 5/8 shorties, Off Road H, 3 Chamber flows, Jaz Race seats, Back seat removed, sub-frames, Roll Cage, and a 80 shot of N20. 12.54@107.4 Motor 1.69 60' |
Sky, bring the tools and we will swap all day. Fontana opens on September 9th. Which will give me a little over a week to tune it up. I would really appreciate you help Sky. One last question here. Do you think I should get the Holley or the track heat? I want to shift around 6.
------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, milled heads, 355's K&N, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors |
Ive seen and heard that the holley is really good. As I said on anderson ford motorsport it made the most power with the TFS heads.
Lookin at badasslx's motor I see he is making great power with the track heat intake. I don't think you can go wrong either way... I just look at his great MPH, and that gives a good vote for the track heat. Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS TW Heads, E-303, Edelbrock intake, 70mm TB, 73mm MAF, 24lb injectors, 1 5/8 shorties, Off Road H, 3 Chamber flows, Jaz Race seats, Back seat removed, sub-frames, Roll Cage, and a 80 shot of N20. 12.54@107.4 Motor 1.69 60' |
I dont know man if I were you I would be very cautious. This guy is a mechanic and probably knows his $hit. I would accept the 50 dollar bet and leave it at that.
Those new camaros are a worthy opponent and pull hard on the top end. but at the track it all comes down to the driver. If I were racing for $100.00 there is no way that I would race him without inspecting his car first. Since he has already made you promise not to use your Nitrous you better make sure that he isnt hiding something... http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/wink.gif ------------------ 88 mustang gt convertible bored to 306 BBk equal length headers mac cold air fender kit 3.73 FMS gears cowl hood nitto drag radials ford racing clutch flow masters h-pipe 160* thermostat 16 degrees of timing electric fan off 94' t-bird jacobs electronics cap and wires. Edelbrock 1 1/2 inch drop springs. |
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I know him pretty well, Ive been feeding him parts for over 2 years now. He might do a few little things like a lit or cutouts but not much. I will inspect the car first and he probably will do the same. Sky, The track heat is cheaper and revs a little higher. You said that the Holley made a lot more hp in the Anderson test but was that across the band or just at one point? ------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, milled heads, 355's K&N, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors |
What converter is in his auto?
It will be a good run. What tires will he/you be on? ------------------ '86 GT. Gears & Flows 14.0 @ 97 '87 GT. Stock 14.6 @ 95 (near 100% humidity, granny shifting @ 5K, dumping clutch at idle) [This message has been edited by EZRIDN (edited 07-23-2001).] |
New 5.0 mag
Heat made 418HP@5600 431LB@4600 Holley 433HP@5700 431LB@4800 The Holley did better than the Heat above 4800 Heat did better in the lower end At 6200 Heat was 402HP 341LB At 6200 Holley was 425HP 360LB I hope this helps you. This was on a 347 [This message has been edited by Stang Runner (edited 07-23-2001).] |
I don't know....... I saw a 01 ws6 run a high twelve bone stock.... even the stock air filter... (this guy was a GOOD driver)!!!! THe ls1's are pretty fast, my best friend has a 00 ws6 and can run a consistant 12.8 with only a underdrive pulley, air filter and flows on drag radials.... Becareful, if he is a good driver he might beat you. Good luck though!!
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EZRIDN, Im going to be on my Nitto DR's and he will be on stock radials. He also has the stock convertor. The ONLY mod on his car right now is a set of 411's and he ran a 13.8 totaly stock.
Stang Runner, Thanks for the info. I really want the Holley but DAMN its expensive. Especialy since I have to buy that intake elbow. I think Im going to get Macs elbow for 60 bucks. swtstang, I guess you'll have to stay tuned to find out http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif It should be a good race. ------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, milled heads, 355's K&N, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors |
I look forward to hearing how you did. Kick the **** out of the hooptie chevy!!!!!
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I should have my 6 speed swap done by then some maybe I finally get to run with you guys. Either way, I'll definately show up to see the grudge match.
------------------ 347 (Coast High short block), 279/284, TFS TW heads, Stealth, 750 Holley, Flowtech hdrs, Dr. Gas X, 2 Chmbr Flowmaster, MSD 6AL-Dist.& SS coil, March serpentine pulley system, Art Carr C-4 (Soon to be a Richmond 6 spd, Currie 9" w/3.55, alum Drv Shft, susp mods, Total Control subframes & tower braces, Trans Am Racing power dual master, 4 wheel disc, 17x8 Torqthrust II's Something up my sleeve ;) In a 66 coupe |
If 2 equally matched drivers raced this cars i'd have to pick yours. those DRs will help greatly. When is the race?
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------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, milled heads, 355's K&N, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors |
Well the Track heat wasnt tested on the test that I saw.
There is the Street heat and the Track heat, so Im not sure which one they tested in that MMFF article someone posted about. How much is the holley intake? And yes it was just PEAK HP that the holley made more at. Im sure you really can't go wrong any way you look at it. I have probably one of the worst intakes and its making good power. Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS TW Heads, E-303, Edelbrock intake, 70mm TB, 73mm MAF, 24lb injectors, 1 5/8 shorties, Off Road H, 3 Chamber flows, Jaz Race seats, Back seat removed, sub-frames, Roll Cage, and a 80 shot of N20. 12.54@107.4 Motor 1.69 60' |
Sky, The Holley is nearly 600 bucks, the Track heat is 450 and the street heat is only 400.
Strangely the guy at the shop Im buying the heads from told me to get the cheaper Street Heat. He said it would rev to 6 just fine and that the Track heat will kill my low end torque. Either way I still need at least 4 bills. ------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, milled heads, 355's K&N, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors |
eat'em up fastang!! ask if if he want to make it $100 what was his mph on his 13.8 run?? those ls1's pull on the top end. just launch good and don't look back! http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif
------------------ 93-LX: 5 Speed, Flow's with H-Pipe, 3.73's Sub's and K&N. |
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------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, milled heads, 355's K&N, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors |
Well, Damon (the guy Im racing) quit working here last week. He left for exactly two days and came back http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif He got the gears in correctly now and says that the car's running great. I invited him to go to Fontana with us on the 8th and he said "Im there, Just dont forget your 50 bucks"
Its on like Donkey Kong! Sky n all, What to you think of the Street Heat Intake? I think Im going to buy one from a member here for 270 bucks. Now I just need gaskets and headbolts http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif ------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, milled heads, 355's K&N, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors |
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