Well, that's only in stock form. With just a chip it'll get tons more HP and run low 12's at 190mph. Oh wait a second....that sounds familiar.

So....

What exactly do you consider low torque????

But you never will modd or race your cars. You are one of those fools that will never drive your precious little low mile museum cars because you car not a car guy, you are a collector of things.

I am someone who has had Ford big blocks, Mopar small and big blocks, and GM small and big block power. I have had over 20 classic muscle cars and I loved each one of them and driven the heJJ out of each one. You are not a car enthusiast, you are a car collector.

Do I really need to spell this out?

Congratulations on your vehicle ownership history! You are the epitome of THE car enthusiast and own an import...I stand and applaud.

You're also a poor private eye. Again, you're trying to divert the thread into personal attacks instead of sticking to the facts which are [again] high HP/low TQ cars make poor quarter-milers. They do however make great NASCAR superspeedway engines. But I don't see too many Toyotas going around Talladega or Daytona.

Enjoy your fast and furious Toyota. Farewell......:o

Alright,i would LOVE to own a supra.The car has alot of potential and sinple boost raising will get me more power for $0 i've seen people do it all the time.But enough is enough.You need to stop reading books and stop showering us with some facts you read somewhere.Do this for a change.Go to a drag strip and take a look at the fastest cars on there.I bet the 2 cars you will see dominate the tracks will eather be a camaro or a mustang.I love my mustang and couldn't be happier with it,and untill i win the lottery and can afford my dream car i'll keep my stang.Also low torque is not a single number i guess what 20lbsboost was referring to is when the tq is much lower then the hp.take a look at the rx8 the car has 250hp but is extremely slow off the like because of only 150tq.That's why by the time you get into higher rpm's i will already be waiting for you at the finish line.Anyway that does not apply to the supra as much as the rx8,but i was just making a point.dammn this got long,but just stop your bashing of our beloved cars and get lost.

First I am not going to pick any sides just point some things out:

First, I don't really get how a supra can't have torque first turbo charging is great for torque (which is why all semi's have them and a lot of pull tractors do to.) They have a inline six which is great for torque by design (ever look under the hood of a lot of big trucks or Jeeps).

Second, I am a owner of a car that traps 120+ and runs 12's but its not from a lack of torque (438ft-lbs) its from a lack of hook, I really need to put on ET streets and make a run for the 10's but do to the fact that I don't have a tremac that won't happen for a while.

Third, yes its true that supra tend to run more mph then lower traps but its mostly because when was the last time you were at the track and a supra was on slicks?

Fourth, don't judge people for racing from a roll, when you get to racing the big HP cars it dosn't become a fact that we don't want to race from a stop but the fact that it is truely SCAREY, even on hard hooking tires (ET streets) the street is not the track and it can be slick and having a 400+ rwhp car sliding everywhere next to a equally powerful car is VERY dangerous. So we tend to run from 40 rolls to eliminate MOST spinning, we don't do this because we can't race from stops or because we can't drive we do it because its just to dangerous. After all how many people just slap some crap on and have a 400 horsepower car most work there way there and thus learn how to drive over time.

Also if you compare stangs to supra in 1/4 times for the top 50 it would be a joke I bet number 50 would still be in the 9's probably 8's.

Just some of my .02@ cents

Jaegermeister2k,

No bashing here.
I have always liked Mustangs.
Mustangs probably have more potential as drag cars than just about anything else on the street.

Oh Shhit!! That is funny as hell.:p

http://www.turbomustangs.com/forums/...turbodrama.gif

BS

You made some good points, but you are talking about different engines, you can alter the torque peaks, and where they cross with any engine, a turboed v6 can be meant as a drag car, or a topend car, they will be good at what they are setup for.
Do not say the smaller motor has an advantage, we all heard "no replacemet for displacemet" you better believe it!!......what happens if you give a bigblock forced induction? it is going to whoop the smaller turboed engine twice as bad genius!:rolleyes: x23849

Sorry, he (T88H34G supra) is right torque will always cross at 5250 hp is just a calculation done as a figure of torque and what rpms.

Well maybe in 1960 but today as important as displacement is there is no replacement for technology. If I had a dollar for every time I have stomped a big block (even before the blower) I would be a rich man. Technology does a lot to make litte motors do some amazing things, sure with the same give technology and power adder will make more power but I would not expect ford to release a 514 with DOHC, twin turbos and variable valve timing any time soon. There is a lot to do with what makes power on a give engine and its a lot more then just boost and cubic inches.

Well Are we talking production cars? or built cars? cmon dude, 600 ci chevy with tons of n20 can go high 6's in a backhalved car, lets say without nitrous, the motor is still freaking huge, and will beat your turboed 6 cylinder, 302 or whatever, why? because its big!
I went to a track event 'clash of the titans' last year, bb chevy nos against turboed smallblock fords, outlaw and some pro 5.0 cars dan millen, mike murrillo ect... chevy took that event: turbo stang went 7.1.... chevy nova 6.9 at some insane mph, yes both poweradded motors, but all topend isnt what wins races, lowend torque will not hurt you in this sport:confused:

6.70@207 George Ioannou Bullish Motor Sports Solara Pro

That is from a 183 cu in inline six backhalved car.

Technology is just as important as size.

Low end torque doesn't really matter on a racecar when you launch with the revs at peak power and never use the low end. Bigger motors do make more horsepower by virtue of being larger as well, though.

Low end, high end, it's how it's set up, is not? it
 

I've been trying to avoid this argument, but felt it's time to chime in.

1.) HP is always a function of torque at a given RPM. HP=RPM/5250 X torque.
2.) Low end torque is an advantagage with relatively high gear ratios and heavy weight. Note: both Supras and Mustangs are heavy, 3000 lbs. +.
3.) HP/TQ curves are easily compensated for with correct gear ratios (rear axle and tranny).
4.)The car with the better Hp/weight ratio, and with good gearing and good driviing, and good traction will ALWAYS PREVAIL.

Rev