RPM Tachometer

1969Mach1 · 10-17-2001, 02:49 PM

Hello, my name is Sam and I am from Canada, I recently purchased a 1969 Mustang Mach 1, it has the deluxe interior and everything and came with a 351 4V Cleveland with a 4 spd. transmission. But one thing I noticed on this car that I have no seen on any other mustang is that the RPM tachometer is installed on the hood of the car. It sits next to the scoop which I find very cool along with anyone that I've told. I asked the person I purchase parts from which deals with just Old Cougars and Mustangs and he says it was a very rare feature I was wondering if you ever heard of it and can give me any feedback on it, and if it makes my car a very rare car since this isn't seen very often. I should have some pictures developed of it soon and I will scan and send them to you if you wish to give you a better idea of what I am talking about if you are not sure.

Thank You For Your Time,
Sam

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Sam D'Elia
1969 Mach 1
Moving At The Speed Of Sound.

69fastback · 10-17-2001, 10:52 PM

dude it sounds like u have a very rear car. I have seen the tach like u are talking about just never on a 69 before. Also i don't think very many mach 1s came with a clevland motor. Most of the ones that i have ever seen came with windsors. It would be a good idea to find out the numbers on ur car.

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6T9PONY · 10-18-2001, 01:14 AM

I didn't know they put Clevelands in '69s. I thought they started production in Mustangs in 1970??????

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Previously "BennyBoy"
'69 Coupe with 351W-I rolled it 8/8
Edelbrock RPM intake, Edelbrock RPM cam, Edelbrock 750 cfm carb, Hedman headers, 2 1/2" pipe, glasspacks, C4: shift kit, 9" Currie: Trac-Lok 3.70s, 290hp-stock heads

Starting Project "2ND COMING": 1969 Fastback

1969Mach1 · 10-18-2001, 06:02 AM

Ohh... yeh? That's pretty cool I figured it was rare because I never seen another car with the tach on the hood my friend & dad said it once before but it was very rare. Do you know anywhere I could find the production numbers for my car. I've found acouple sites that tell me like how many Mach 1's the made in 69 but none that really break it down. And it is a true 351C (Says so on the tag when I looked it up) So if anyone has anymore info or knows where I can get some that'd be a huge help. I should have pictures developed of the car soon so I'll post them on a site so you guys can check it out.

Thanks Again for all your help.
Sam,

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1969 Mach 1, 351 Cleveland, 4 Speed. going threw a mild restoration.
Moving At The Speed Of Sound.

PKRWUD · 10-18-2001, 09:24 AM

What's it's VIN?

1969Mach1 · 10-18-2001, 10:44 AM

The vin of the car is
9TO2M216513
It is a 351 Cleveland or so I've been told on several sites.

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1969 Mach 1, 351 Cleveland, 4 Speed. going threw a mild restoration.
Moving At The Speed Of Sound.

69fastback · 10-18-2001, 03:05 PM

well from the vin number it is a 69 fastback with a 351 4v wich means it is a clevland.
9-1969
T-metuchen
02-fastback
M-351 4V
216513-the number it was made. www.classicponycars.com
To find out more send the rest of the numbers.

1969Mach1 · 10-18-2001, 04:08 PM

Yeh, that was pretty much everything I already knew. I just want to know how many they made with a hood RPM Tac. and how many with a 351C. And how much the price increases with the hood tac. Because I was talking to a guy I get parts from and it's $1000cdn if you want to get an orignal one and I belive 450cdn for reproduced one. So it's an expensive part to have let alone to come with so just wondering. Also like to hear from anyone that has one on there stang or if any other Ford products came with them. I think the Cougar may of had them but not sure.

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1969 Mach 1, 351 Cleveland, 4 Speed. going threw a mild restoration.
Moving At The Speed Of Sound.

6T9PONY · 10-18-2001, 06:23 PM

I think I'm gonna have to disagree. I am 99.9% sure they did not put Clevelands in 1969 Mustangs. The 351-4V is a Windsor. Either the engine in it is a Windsor, or it's not the original engine. The engines are very easy to tell apart. I have one of each in my garage at this moment. Both have around 300 hp. Anyways, look at the valve covers. How many valve cover bolts are there? There are 8 on a Cleveland, and 6 on a Windsor. If there are 8, it's either a Cleveland or they got those adaptor things and put Cleveland heads on a Windsor.

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Previously "BennyBoy"
'69 Coupe with 351W-I rolled it 8/8
Edelbrock RPM intake, Edelbrock RPM cam, Edelbrock 750 cfm carb, Hedman headers, 2 1/2" pipe, glasspacks, C4: shift kit, 9" Currie: Trac-Lok 3.70s, 290hp-stock heads

Starting Project "2ND COMING": 1969 Fastback

1969Mach1 · 10-18-2001, 08:52 PM

What does the M represent in my vin then because I have checked my vin on many sites and they all say it is a Cleveland and that they only made the 351-4 in Cleveland they made the 351-2 in Windsor and in Cleveland.
I will do some further investigation on the valve covers when I go down but I am not sure.

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1969 Mach 1, 351 Cleveland, 4 Speed. going threw a mild restoration.
Moving At The Speed Of Sound.

6T9PONY · 10-18-2001, 09:33 PM

The best and most official site I've found is FoMoCo.com. Go to "Tech. Dept." on left menu. Then click on "Engine Specs" or something like that. Then in the drop down menu, 351-4VC was first built in 1970.

Or go to classicponycars.com like 69fastback said, go to "Engine Specs" then go down to 1969. There is no Cleveland listed. Just the Windsor.

Plus anyone who I have ever talked to has told me the same. No Cleveland in 1969. They are found in them quite often, but not originally.

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Previously "BennyBoy"
'69 Coupe with 351W-I rolled it 8/8
Edelbrock RPM intake, Edelbrock RPM cam, Edelbrock 750 cfm carb, Hedman headers, 2 1/2" pipe, glasspacks, C4: shift kit, 9" Currie: Trac-Lok 3.70s, 290hp-stock heads

Starting Project "2ND COMING": 1969 Fastback

PKRWUD · 10-19-2001, 12:02 AM

Actually, according to the 1959-1970 Ford parts Interchange Manual, The 351c was built and installed very rarely in 1969. Officially, it was a 1970 engine, but they were built in 1969, and did find some use in 1969. Engine part number DOAZ6010D was officially a 1970 Cleveland, but the ones whos casting numbers are either D0AE-J or DOAE-G were used in 1969. The other casting number you may find is D0AZ-D, which wasn't used in any 1969 vehicles. they mention that all 4 barrels in 1970 were Clevelands, but don't say anything about 1969.

Take care,
-Chris

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1969Mach1 · 10-19-2001, 12:02 PM

Now I don't know what to think

hehehe.... Well I checked this morning before I went off to co-op and I have 6 bolts on my valve cover. I will check the engine code tonight when I go home because I am at school right now

Where would I find the engine part number so maybe that'll give me a better idea because I am not sure at all now. None the less, kinda got away from my first question about the RPM Tachometer, anyone find out any other information about that?

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1969 Mach 1, 351 Cleveland, 4 Speed. going threw a mild restoration.
Moving At The Speed Of Sound.

thunderbolt · 10-19-2001, 01:27 PM

As for the tach, if it is the one I am thinking of that looks similar to the hood mounted tachs on some chevies it is probably a piece of equipment I ran accrost one time that was a hood mounted tach available from the dealer throught what was known as the "muscle car parts program". I think that was the name, real close anyway, it was like Ford's svt program is today. So this tach was not available from the factory but is a very rare piece and nice at that.
On this raging debate, I have got to agree with 6t9pony, no clevelands in 69 mustangs. Became an option in 70. Now with that being said, I supose there could be a handful of special cars with this engine in 69 but not officially. As to your engine, look for 8 bolts in the valve covers, and an upper radiator hose neck that goes straight up. The 351W has a neck that comes out the front and angles up. If you still want to pursue this engine, look for casting numbers on various engine parts, exhaust manifolds are a good place it you still have them. Look to see what the first two letter number combination is. It should be like c9 or d0 or something like that. This is a way to id any ford part as to the year of its casting origin. The first letter is for the decade, c= 1960's; d= 1970's' e= 1980's etc. The number is the year. The codes on my 72 started with D2. This will give you some idea of the age of some of the parts in the car (works on more than engine components).

6T9PONY · 10-20-2001, 01:50 AM

If there are 6 valve cover bolts, those are Windsor heads. Clevelands have 8. I bet it is a 351W-4v that was in it originally.

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Previously "BennyBoy"
'69 Coupe with 351W-I rolled it 8/8
Edelbrock RPM intake, Edelbrock RPM cam, Edelbrock 750 cfm carb, Hedman headers, 2 1/2" pipe, glasspacks, C4: shift kit, 9" Currie: Trac-Lok 3.70s, 290hp-stock heads

Starting Project "2ND COMING": 1969 Fastback

1969Mach1 · 10-21-2001, 02:42 PM

The tach that is on the hood says Ford right on it so I am not sure if it is from "Muscle Car Parts Program" since it does say Ford on it. Also if it was added on by them afterwords where would the orignal RPM gauge of been. I took some pictures and going to take them to get developed either tommorow or Tuesday and hopefully they should be back by Thursday or so.

Well I hope this gave you abit better of an idea.

Thanks,
Sam.

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1969 Mach 1, 351 Cleveland, 4 Speed. going threw a mild restoration.
Moving At The Speed Of Sound.

thunderbolt · 10-22-2001, 08:39 PM

On that tach, the unit I saw had a small ford oval in the center bottom of the face of the tach. This was a ford sponsored aftermarket parts piece like the current svt stuff. It is like buying new valve covers from fms and getting the "ford racing" covers. Don't know about the original tach? I don't know if it was a standard mach 1 item (one would think it would be but I sure don't know) If so I think it is one of the dash gagues next to the speedometer. Anyone?

1969Mach1 · 10-25-2001, 11:54 AM

I get my pictures back tonight. =) I will be getting them scanned and post them later tonight. =) Then you can see my car along with the Tac. I found another 69 Mustang with the Tac on the hood also he listed it with some other features and said it was all orignal. I am going to email him tonight and ask him more about it. I will show a picture and see if anyone else can tell me some more info on it.

Thanks,

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1969 Mach 1, 351-4BBL Windsor, 4 Speed.

Moving At The Speed Of Sound.

Gearhead999 · 10-25-2001, 07:46 PM

The 69 Mustang 351 was a Windsor and a 4-barrel carb.

No clevlands.

If you're still unsure if it is a "W" or "C". And can't tell the number of valve cover bolts, look at the fuel pump....If the mounting bolts are at 6 o'clock and 12 o'clock it is a clevland. If the mounting bolts are at 3 and 9 o'clock it is a windsor.

Hope this helps.

PKRWUD · 10-26-2001, 03:58 AM

Your's is a Windsor, as are most, but not all. There were at least two different 351 Clevelands that I know of that found their way into 1969 Fords.

Take care,
-Chris

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10-17-2001, 02:49 PM	#1
1969Mach1 HEY I CAN SET A NAME NOW! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,556	RPM Tachometer Hello, my name is Sam and I am from Canada, I recently purchased a 1969 Mustang Mach 1, it has the deluxe interior and everything and came with a 351 4V Cleveland with a 4 spd. transmission. But one thing I noticed on this car that I have no seen on any other mustang is that the RPM tachometer is installed on the hood of the car. It sits next to the scoop which I find very cool along with anyone that I've told. I asked the person I purchase parts from which deals with just Old Cougars and Mustangs and he says it was a very rare feature I was wondering if you ever heard of it and can give me any feedback on it, and if it makes my car a very rare car since this isn't seen very often. I should have some pictures developed of it soon and I will scan and send them to you if you wish to give you a better idea of what I am talking about if you are not sure. Thank You For Your Time, Sam ------------------ Sam D'Elia 1969 Mach 1 Moving At The Speed Of Sound.

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10-17-2001, 10:52 PM	#2
69fastback IRAQ VET Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: high desert California Posts: 1,480	dude it sounds like u have a very rear car. I have seen the tach like u are talking about just never on a 69 before. Also i don't think very many mach 1s came with a clevland motor. Most of the ones that i have ever seen came with windsors. It would be a good idea to find out the numbers on ur car. ------------------ 69 fastback 428 cobra jet 67 fastback 390 gta 97 f 150 5.4 xlt mark 3: Yahoo messenger eat_mopars_and_crap-chevys.

10-18-2001, 01:14 AM	#3
6T9PONY All about the Windsor. Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 2,052	I didn't know they put Clevelands in '69s. I thought they started production in Mustangs in 1970?????? ------------------ Previously "BennyBoy" '69 Coupe with 351W-I rolled it 8/8 Edelbrock RPM intake, Edelbrock RPM cam, Edelbrock 750 cfm carb, Hedman headers, 2 1/2" pipe, glasspacks, C4: shift kit, 9" Currie: Trac-Lok 3.70s, 290hp-stock heads Starting Project "2ND COMING": 1969 Fastback

10-18-2001, 06:02 AM	#4
1969Mach1 HEY I CAN SET A NAME NOW! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,556	Ohh... yeh? That's pretty cool I figured it was rare because I never seen another car with the tach on the hood my friend & dad said it once before but it was very rare. Do you know anywhere I could find the production numbers for my car. I've found acouple sites that tell me like how many Mach 1's the made in 69 but none that really break it down. And it is a true 351C (Says so on the tag when I looked it up) So if anyone has anymore info or knows where I can get some that'd be a huge help. I should have pictures developed of the car soon so I'll post them on a site so you guys can check it out. Thanks Again for all your help. Sam, ------------------ 1969 Mach 1, 351 Cleveland, 4 Speed. going threw a mild restoration. Moving At The Speed Of Sound.

10-18-2001, 09:24 AM	#5
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	What's it's VIN?

10-18-2001, 10:44 AM	#6
1969Mach1 HEY I CAN SET A NAME NOW! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,556	The vin of the car is 9TO2M216513 It is a 351 Cleveland or so I've been told on several sites. ------------------ 1969 Mach 1, 351 Cleveland, 4 Speed. going threw a mild restoration. Moving At The Speed Of Sound.

10-18-2001, 03:05 PM	#7
69fastback IRAQ VET Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: high desert California Posts: 1,480	well from the vin number it is a 69 fastback with a 351 4v wich means it is a clevland. 9-1969 T-metuchen 02-fastback M-351 4V 216513-the number it was made. www.classicponycars.com To find out more send the rest of the numbers.

10-18-2001, 04:08 PM	#8
1969Mach1 HEY I CAN SET A NAME NOW! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,556	Yeh, that was pretty much everything I already knew. I just want to know how many they made with a hood RPM Tac. and how many with a 351C. And how much the price increases with the hood tac. Because I was talking to a guy I get parts from and it's $1000cdn if you want to get an orignal one and I belive 450cdn for reproduced one. So it's an expensive part to have let alone to come with so just wondering. Also like to hear from anyone that has one on there stang or if any other Ford products came with them. I think the Cougar may of had them but not sure. ------------------ 1969 Mach 1, 351 Cleveland, 4 Speed. going threw a mild restoration. Moving At The Speed Of Sound.

10-18-2001, 06:23 PM	#9
6T9PONY All about the Windsor. Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 2,052	I think I'm gonna have to disagree. I am 99.9% sure they did not put Clevelands in 1969 Mustangs. The 351-4V is a Windsor. Either the engine in it is a Windsor, or it's not the original engine. The engines are very easy to tell apart. I have one of each in my garage at this moment. Both have around 300 hp. Anyways, look at the valve covers. How many valve cover bolts are there? There are 8 on a Cleveland, and 6 on a Windsor. If there are 8, it's either a Cleveland or they got those adaptor things and put Cleveland heads on a Windsor. ------------------ Previously "BennyBoy" '69 Coupe with 351W-I rolled it 8/8 Edelbrock RPM intake, Edelbrock RPM cam, Edelbrock 750 cfm carb, Hedman headers, 2 1/2" pipe, glasspacks, C4: shift kit, 9" Currie: Trac-Lok 3.70s, 290hp-stock heads Starting Project "2ND COMING": 1969 Fastback

10-18-2001, 08:52 PM	#10
1969Mach1 HEY I CAN SET A NAME NOW! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,556	What does the M represent in my vin then because I have checked my vin on many sites and they all say it is a Cleveland and that they only made the 351-4 in Cleveland they made the 351-2 in Windsor and in Cleveland. I will do some further investigation on the valve covers when I go down but I am not sure. ------------------ 1969 Mach 1, 351 Cleveland, 4 Speed. going threw a mild restoration. Moving At The Speed Of Sound.

10-18-2001, 09:33 PM	#11
6T9PONY All about the Windsor. Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 2,052	The best and most official site I've found is FoMoCo.com. Go to "Tech. Dept." on left menu. Then click on "Engine Specs" or something like that. Then in the drop down menu, 351-4VC was first built in 1970. Or go to classicponycars.com like 69fastback said, go to "Engine Specs" then go down to 1969. There is no Cleveland listed. Just the Windsor. Plus anyone who I have ever talked to has told me the same. No Cleveland in 1969. They are found in them quite often, but not originally. ------------------ Previously "BennyBoy" '69 Coupe with 351W-I rolled it 8/8 Edelbrock RPM intake, Edelbrock RPM cam, Edelbrock 750 cfm carb, Hedman headers, 2 1/2" pipe, glasspacks, C4: shift kit, 9" Currie: Trac-Lok 3.70s, 290hp-stock heads Starting Project "2ND COMING": 1969 Fastback

10-19-2001, 12:02 AM	#12
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	Actually, according to the 1959-1970 Ford parts Interchange Manual, The 351c was built and installed very rarely in 1969. Officially, it was a 1970 engine, but they were built in 1969, and did find some use in 1969. Engine part number DOAZ6010D was officially a 1970 Cleveland, but the ones whos casting numbers are either D0AE-J or DOAE-G were used in 1969. The other casting number you may find is D0AZ-D, which wasn't used in any 1969 vehicles. they mention that all 4 barrels in 1970 were Clevelands, but don't say anything about 1969. Take care, -Chris ------------------ Retired Moderator MustangNet My site: Peckerwoods Pit Stop My teams site: Jim Porter Racing RACECAR spelled backwards is RACECAR HEY !!! Are you ASE Certified ??? If you are, ask me about iATN.

10-19-2001, 12:02 PM	#13
1969Mach1 HEY I CAN SET A NAME NOW! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,556	Now I don't know what to think hehehe.... Well I checked this morning before I went off to co-op and I have 6 bolts on my valve cover. I will check the engine code tonight when I go home because I am at school right now Where would I find the engine part number so maybe that'll give me a better idea because I am not sure at all now. None the less, kinda got away from my first question about the RPM Tachometer, anyone find out any other information about that? ------------------ 1969 Mach 1, 351 Cleveland, 4 Speed. going threw a mild restoration. Moving At The Speed Of Sound.

10-19-2001, 01:27 PM	#14
thunderbolt Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 380	As for the tach, if it is the one I am thinking of that looks similar to the hood mounted tachs on some chevies it is probably a piece of equipment I ran accrost one time that was a hood mounted tach available from the dealer throught what was known as the "muscle car parts program". I think that was the name, real close anyway, it was like Ford's svt program is today. So this tach was not available from the factory but is a very rare piece and nice at that. On this raging debate, I have got to agree with 6t9pony, no clevelands in 69 mustangs. Became an option in 70. Now with that being said, I supose there could be a handful of special cars with this engine in 69 but not officially. As to your engine, look for 8 bolts in the valve covers, and an upper radiator hose neck that goes straight up. The 351W has a neck that comes out the front and angles up. If you still want to pursue this engine, look for casting numbers on various engine parts, exhaust manifolds are a good place it you still have them. Look to see what the first two letter number combination is. It should be like c9 or d0 or something like that. This is a way to id any ford part as to the year of its casting origin. The first letter is for the decade, c= 1960's; d= 1970's' e= 1980's etc. The number is the year. The codes on my 72 started with D2. This will give you some idea of the age of some of the parts in the car (works on more than engine components).

10-20-2001, 01:50 AM	#15
6T9PONY All about the Windsor. Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 2,052	If there are 6 valve cover bolts, those are Windsor heads. Clevelands have 8. I bet it is a 351W-4v that was in it originally. ------------------ Previously "BennyBoy" '69 Coupe with 351W-I rolled it 8/8 Edelbrock RPM intake, Edelbrock RPM cam, Edelbrock 750 cfm carb, Hedman headers, 2 1/2" pipe, glasspacks, C4: shift kit, 9" Currie: Trac-Lok 3.70s, 290hp-stock heads Starting Project "2ND COMING": 1969 Fastback

10-21-2001, 02:42 PM	#16
1969Mach1 HEY I CAN SET A NAME NOW! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,556	The tach that is on the hood says Ford right on it so I am not sure if it is from "Muscle Car Parts Program" since it does say Ford on it. Also if it was added on by them afterwords where would the orignal RPM gauge of been. I took some pictures and going to take them to get developed either tommorow or Tuesday and hopefully they should be back by Thursday or so. Well I hope this gave you abit better of an idea. Thanks, Sam. ------------------ 1969 Mach 1, 351 Cleveland, 4 Speed. going threw a mild restoration. Moving At The Speed Of Sound.

10-22-2001, 08:39 PM	#17
thunderbolt Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 380	On that tach, the unit I saw had a small ford oval in the center bottom of the face of the tach. This was a ford sponsored aftermarket parts piece like the current svt stuff. It is like buying new valve covers from fms and getting the "ford racing" covers. Don't know about the original tach? I don't know if it was a standard mach 1 item (one would think it would be but I sure don't know) If so I think it is one of the dash gagues next to the speedometer. Anyone?

10-25-2001, 11:54 AM	#18
1969Mach1 HEY I CAN SET A NAME NOW! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,556	I get my pictures back tonight. =) I will be getting them scanned and post them later tonight. =) Then you can see my car along with the Tac. I found another 69 Mustang with the Tac on the hood also he listed it with some other features and said it was all orignal. I am going to email him tonight and ask him more about it. I will show a picture and see if anyone else can tell me some more info on it. Thanks, ------------------ 1969 Mach 1, 351-4BBL Windsor, 4 Speed. Moving At The Speed Of Sound.

10-25-2001, 07:46 PM	#19
Gearhead999 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Oviedo, FL Posts: 992	The 69 Mustang 351 was a Windsor and a 4-barrel carb. No clevlands. If you're still unsure if it is a "W" or "C". And can't tell the number of valve cover bolts, look at the fuel pump....If the mounting bolts are at 6 o'clock and 12 o'clock it is a clevland. If the mounting bolts are at 3 and 9 o'clock it is a windsor. Hope this helps.

10-26-2001, 03:58 AM	#20
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	Your's is a Windsor, as are most, but not all. There were at least two different 351 Clevelands that I know of that found their way into 1969 Fords. Take care, -Chris ------------------ Retired Moderator MustangNet My site: Peckerwoods Pit Stop My teams site: Jim Porter Racing RACECAR spelled backwards is RACECAR HEY !!! Are you ASE Certified ??? If you are, ask me about iATN.