2003 Cobra = Slow?

INVINCISTANG · 06-24-2002, 08:15 AM

What's up with this?

http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread...hreadid=114814

tireburner163 · 06-24-2002, 11:21 AM

bad track and a even worst driver....simple as that.

INVINCISTANG · 06-24-2002, 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by tireburner163
bad track and a even worst driver....simple as that.

Something had to have been wrong with the car. There is no way that car (even with a bad track and bad driver) should run that ET at that trap speed

Rosco · 06-24-2002, 11:49 AM

Was just looking at my...magazine ( don't remeber which it was ), but they tested the new Blown Cobra. I'm not sure what kind of tires they were running, if they were the stock tires or what. They managed a 12.6 with a 2.0 60' time. I'm not really sure what mph they ran at, but that guy must have been doing something horribly wrong, or the guy on the other board is really lying. Oh well.

Dark_5.0 · 06-24-2002, 11:49 AM

2700 ft altittude. and an average driver....at sealevel that would have been about a 13.5.....which is probably what the average driver will run in the new cobra IMO.

Its not like I havent seen supercharged 4.6 L at the track. I believe there are 2 of them that race at the same track I do. They usually run 12.9-13.1 @ 2800ft.

This guy couldnt drive worth a damn and the track sucked.

I have seen LS1's run high 14's and I have seen LS1's run high 12's the driver makes all the difference.

Wish I would have been there so I could have been the 1st guy on my block to kill a new cobra.

Later,

The Deuce · 06-24-2002, 12:51 PM

I'm sorry, but if you don't race, then 7 passes aren't enough to get it figured out. Sounds like the guy was a rookie, and the LS1 guys are going to get blown out when somebody who can drag takes one down the 1/4.

Aquaman · 06-24-2002, 03:18 PM

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Originally posted by INVINCISTANG

There is no way that car (even with a bad track and bad driver) should run that ET at that trap speed

I agree/ With the supposed power the 03' Cobra has it should trap way over 104. Stock on a horrible run (missed 3rd) I still trapped 106. At sealevel it would have been around 107 and with the weight and other factors I can see the 03 going that fast. but with low 13's not mid 13's

jonnyk · 06-24-2002, 06:42 PM

If he was running 2.345+ 60 foots and hitting the rev limiter before the shifts, then that says enough to me. Terrible driver.

Rev · 06-24-2002, 07:01 PM

Altitude/track/drivers all contributed to poor time slips probably. As noted in that thread, the LS1 SS ran only a 14.0 as did the Syclone.

Sounds like nobody did worth a squat to me, for what these cars should do. Wonder what the temp was at the track also?

Rev

Skyman · 06-24-2002, 08:07 PM

Bad driver, car screwedup, bad track etc.

Who cares.

I wanna see the 12sec ones.

Skyler

Aquaman · 06-24-2002, 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by Rev
Altitude/track/drivers all contributed to poor time slips probably. As noted in that thread, the LS1 SS ran only a 14.0 as did the Syclone.

Sounds like nobody did worth a squat to me, for what these cars should do. Wonder what the temp was at the track also?

Rev

Those Times are about Right for that altitude. Usually S/C cars and Turbo cars are not as affected by the alt. as N/A cars are. I would say there is a good chance that the driver was a big factor but just how big remains to be seen

Rev · 06-24-2002, 08:56 PM

Isn't there a web site that converts ets/trap speeds according to altitude (and other atmospheric conditions). I'm sure I've seen it, just can't remember when or where.

Rev

LfiveohX · 06-24-2002, 10:39 PM

LACR Sucks!

I had been there several times and also went to Pomona before it closed when my mustang had the same level of mods. I have the timeslips from both places. This is not a science lesson here, just thought I would share my experience with LACR.

LACR best time:
60' - 2.222
1/4 - 14.996
mph - 94.385

Pomona only run:
60' - 2.291
1/4 - 14.508
mph - 98.64

I'm not saying that this holds true for everyone, but I noticed a huge difference between these two tracks. And not to mention, Pomona is not that great either! I would like to see someone else's times that has gone to say Carlsbad and LACR with the same mods, tires, etc. just to compare. For those who aren't from California, Carlsbad is probably the closest to sea level out of all the dragstrips in southern california. I've never run my car there but I am curious to see what mine will do there!

Later,

Adam

red82gt · 06-25-2002, 12:24 AM

MM&FF got 110 mph out of theirs and Car & Driver got a 12.9@109 out of theirs.
Those times seem really fishy to me, I think it was a 2001 Cobra and the guy doesn't know his ***** from a hole in the ground.
Up north here at Mission Raceway park (24ft above sea level) I've seen 3 different bone stock 2001's run low and mid 13's (13.2-13.7) @ 102 to 105mph. Can't wait to see what the 03's will run here.

Aquaman · 06-25-2002, 09:35 AM

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Originally posted by red82gt
MM&FF got 110 mph out of theirs and Car & Driver got a 12.9@109 out of theirs.
Those times seem really fishy to me, I think it was a 2001 Cobra and the guy doesn't know his ***** from a hole in the ground.
Up north here at Mission Raceway park (24ft above sea level) I've seen 3 different bone stock 2001's run low and mid 13's (13.2-13.7) @ 102 to 105mph. Can't wait to see what the 03's will run here.

I agree I can't wait to run one. But both MM&FF and Car & Driver tested ford test mules with race seats and other mods done. because at the time thats all ford had to offer them. I know Car and Driver made mention of it in their article and they both tested the same car. So did Automoblie who managed a 13.2@107 at a sealevel track in La. So till I see one run in person I will believe the one's people are seeing at the track over the magazine cars. But with the power and weight I would think 12.9's - 13.1's from the dealer in the hands of a great driver.

INVINCISTANG · 06-25-2002, 09:54 AM

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Originally posted by The Deuce
I'm sorry, but if you don't race, then 7 passes aren't enough to get it figured out. Sounds like the guy was a rookie, and the LS1 guys are going to get blown out when somebody who can drag takes one down the 1/4.

All LS1 guys? You must be talking about stock or near stock LS1 guys.

explicitone · 06-25-2002, 04:01 PM

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Originally posted by INVINCISTANG

All LS1 guys? You must be talking about stock or near stock LS1 guys.

do you think that if any of us could get our hands on the new cobra it would stay stock very long.. and for any ls1 guy to base there thoughts of the new cobra on one guy at the track is just plain stupid that would be like seeing one guy in a viper run a 13 and say that oh they have the power that everyone says they do so there all push overs . I DONT THINK SO
the new cobra was dynoed with 370 to the wheels oh thats right the ls1 guys are going to say but its supercharged but wait a min arent the ls1s 5.7 liters copmared to the mustangs 5.0 or 4.6 you dont see us crying because they have bigger motors no we find ways to make up for it. modded ls1 vs modded 03 cobra thats what I want to see....

The Deuce · 06-25-2002, 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by INVINCISTANG

All LS1 guys? You must be talking about stock or near stock LS1 guys.

I could build my 240z to be faster than your modded LS1s. There comes a point when you can't claim you're fast because of what
you started with.

If I beefed up my rear end, put on a 280 head, twin turbos, 680cfm holley and 4:11, I could say, "I beat you with a 30 year old straight six." But obviously that isn't why I would win. It would be because I did a bunch of stuff and started making more hp than you in a lighter car with steep gears.

Take a new SS and a new Cobra. Cobra wins with comparable
drivers. That was what Ford was going for and accomplished. When you start saying, well I can beat you because I'm modded it turns into a pissing contest.

If you want to modify, so can the Ford guys. I think thats why we are all here. These questions you pose sound like you been eating too much Uncle Bens.

blue00gt · 06-25-2002, 06:54 PM

With 370hp at the wheels in stock trim, the '03 Cobra is no joke. Ford had to restrict the **** out of the intake and exhaust to comply with driveby sound limits for street cars, so there is a lot more potential there than one might think. I think MM&FF said they gained like 13 rwhp just by ripping out the intake silencer and air filter...

Kamaro Killer · 09-19-2002, 07:39 PM

I wouldn't compare the Cobra to the LS1's off just one driver either. I was at a sealevel track a week ago and saw a 03 run against a few LS1's. The only LS1 to beat the Cobra was a modded Z-06 with ET streets. Put some slicks, or even just equal tires on the Cobra and it will smoke the Z-06! That's just what I saw though, why do you think the LS1 guys just talk, I didn't see too many opening thier mouth like this at the track. I wonder why, lol. Later, Keith.

06-24-2002, 08:15 AM	#1
INVINCISTANG Registered Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 19	2003 Cobra = Slow? What's up with this? http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread...hreadid=114814

06-24-2002, 11:21 AM	#2
tireburner163 It's a lot like a race car Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Meridian, MS Posts: 4,130	bad track and a even worst driver....simple as that. __________________ 1987 Buick T-type 1998 HD Electra Elide

06-24-2002, 11:49 AM	#4
Rosco Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vestal, NY Posts: 307	Horrible driver Was just looking at my...magazine ( don't remeber which it was ), but they tested the new Blown Cobra. I'm not sure what kind of tires they were running, if they were the stock tires or what. They managed a 12.6 with a 2.0 60' time. I'm not really sure what mph they ran at, but that guy must have been doing something horribly wrong, or the guy on the other board is really lying. Oh well. __________________ 1989 Mustang 5.0 Conversion, Full Saleen ground effects and spoiler, '94 saleen decal set, '93 Saleen Seats, Black interior from a '93, Steeda quadrant, smog pump delete, a/c delete, Steeda Tri-Ax shifter, '97 rear differential, aluminum driveshaft, 5 lug conversion, '97 rear disc brakes, southside upper and lower control arms, '99 GT Anniversary wheels, flowtech longtubes, flowtech offroad H-pipe, saleen lowering springs, kyb shocks, caster/camber plates

06-24-2002, 11:49 AM	#5
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	2700 ft altittude. and an average driver....at sealevel that would have been about a 13.5.....which is probably what the average driver will run in the new cobra IMO. Its not like I havent seen supercharged 4.6 L at the track. I believe there are 2 of them that race at the same track I do. They usually run 12.9-13.1 @ 2800ft. This guy couldnt drive worth a damn and the track sucked. I have seen LS1's run high 14's and I have seen LS1's run high 12's the driver makes all the difference. Wish I would have been there so I could have been the 1st guy on my block to kill a new cobra. Later, __________________ 92' LX-Big brakes, Lots and lots of suspension, GT40X heads, Ported cobra intake, stock cam, Vortech SC trim. 00' Lightning-Stock 88'CRX-13 second ego killer

06-24-2002, 12:51 PM	#6
The Deuce Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 2,325	I'm sorry, but if you don't race, then 7 passes aren't enough to get it figured out. Sounds like the guy was a rookie, and the LS1 guys are going to get blown out when somebody who can drag takes one down the 1/4. __________________ 1997 Mustang GT "The Freak" - 13.80 @ 101.70, 2.07 60' 1995 Honda VFR750 - not much @ really fast (actual data pending.) 1964.5 Mustang 289 Rice Haters Club Member #13

06-24-2002, 06:42 PM	#8
jonnyk Being stroked is great Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 772	If he was running 2.345+ 60 foots and hitting the rev limiter before the shifts, then that says enough to me. Terrible driver. __________________ Novi 2000 now spinning off the snout of the 331... Mods Pics

06-24-2002, 07:01 PM	#9
Rev Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 3,887	Altitude/track/drivers all contributed to poor time slips probably. As noted in that thread, the LS1 SS ran only a 14.0 as did the Syclone. Sounds like nobody did worth a squat to me, for what these cars should do. Wonder what the temp was at the track also? Rev __________________ '66 Coupe, 306, 350-375 HP, C-4, 13.07 e.t., 104.8 mph, 1/4 mi. O.B.C. #2 '66 coupe

06-24-2002, 08:07 PM	#10
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	Bad driver, car screwedup, bad track etc. Who cares. I wanna see the 12sec ones. Skyler __________________ 2001 BMW M3 6spd 12.79@108 RIP ---- 1993 Notch w/ 98 4V 4.6 Fasttt... -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- 12.32@109 -1999 Black Cobra Coupe- JBA Shorties, Bassani Cat-X, Magnaflow 3", Pulleys, 85mm Pro-M, Ported Intake, Soild Rear w/ 4.30s, Tubular Front End, X2C arms, 13lb batt, few others.

06-24-2002, 08:56 PM	#12
Rev Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 3,887	Altitude Isn't there a web site that converts ets/trap speeds according to altitude (and other atmospheric conditions). I'm sure I've seen it, just can't remember when or where. Rev __________________ '66 Coupe, 306, 350-375 HP, C-4, 13.07 e.t., 104.8 mph, 1/4 mi. O.B.C. #2 '66 coupe

06-24-2002, 10:39 PM	#13
LfiveohX Addicted to the 5.0 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Oxnard, CA. USA Posts: 117	Not making excuses, but ........ LACR Sucks! I had been there several times and also went to Pomona before it closed when my mustang had the same level of mods. I have the timeslips from both places. This is not a science lesson here, just thought I would share my experience with LACR. LACR best time: 60' - 2.222 1/4 - 14.996 mph - 94.385 Pomona only run: 60' - 2.291 1/4 - 14.508 mph - 98.64 I'm not saying that this holds true for everyone, but I noticed a huge difference between these two tracks. And not to mention, Pomona is not that great either! I would like to see someone else's times that has gone to say Carlsbad and LACR with the same mods, tires, etc. just to compare. For those who aren't from California, Carlsbad is probably the closest to sea level out of all the dragstrips in southern california. I've never run my car there but I am curious to see what mine will do there! Later, Adam __________________ 1993 Conv. LX 5.0 - (sold) For Sale!!!! - Brand new Paxton Novi 2000 Kit for 86-93 Mustangs.

06-25-2002, 12:24 AM	#14
red82gt Sober voice of Reason Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Kelowna, B.C., Canada Posts: 1,514	MM&FF got 110 mph out of theirs and Car & Driver got a 12.9@109 out of theirs. Those times seem really fishy to me, I think it was a 2001 Cobra and the guy doesn't know his ***** from a hole in the ground. Up north here at Mission Raceway park (24ft above sea level) I've seen 3 different bone stock 2001's run low and mid 13's (13.2-13.7) @ 102 to 105mph. Can't wait to see what the 03's will run here. __________________ 393W: AFR 205's, hydraulic roller, TKO600.

06-25-2002, 06:54 PM	#19
blue00gt Mustang Addict Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: McKinney, TX Posts: 1,294	With 370hp at the wheels in stock trim, the '03 Cobra is no joke. Ford had to restrict the **** out of the intake and exhaust to comply with driveby sound limits for street cars, so there is a lot more potential there than one might think. I think MM&FF said they gained like 13 rwhp just by ripping out the intake silencer and air filter... __________________ Strike down the unroadworthy! 2000 GT Atl. Blue: '03 Cobra motor - 465rwhp/473rwtq, T-56 6-speed, full MM TA/PH & tubular K-member suspension, Saleen body, 17" Torq-Thrust II's, M/T ET Street radials, and lots more '94 Rio Red Cobra: All the bolt-ons, 3.73s

09-19-2002, 07:39 PM	#20
Kamaro Killer Mustang Enthusiast Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 528	Tell them Mike! I wouldn't compare the Cobra to the LS1's off just one driver either. I was at a sealevel track a week ago and saw a 03 run against a few LS1's. The only LS1 to beat the Cobra was a modded Z-06 with ET streets. Put some slicks, or even just equal tires on the Cobra and it will smoke the Z-06! That's just what I saw though, why do you think the LS1 guys just talk, I didn't see too many opening thier mouth like this at the track. I wonder why, lol. Later, Keith. __________________ 1993 GT 5.0-My Stang Rice Hater's Club Member 22

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