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![]() Just because it is light doesn't mean it isn't safe. Sure if it were to get into a collision with a behemoth SUV things would be bad, but then again, an SUV would put a hurtin on most cars on the road today. The final drive for the ITR powered Lotus is 4.40:1 btw. I still don't see why people can't believe the Lotus could beat the Cobra R so here are some numbers for you.
Cobra R Weight = 3400lbs Hp = 385 Hp to weight ratio = 1:8.95 ITR Elise Weight = 1700lbs Hp = 200 Hp to weight ratio = 1:8.5 Very similar but the Elise has the advantage. Another thing that probably has an effect is aerodynamics. The Elise has a lot less frontal surface area and probably has a lower Cd, but I can't be 100% certain of that.
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I've read about the Cobra R's dukeing it out, but never read how they fair against other cars. Would be interesting reading. |
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![]() someone mentioned earlier that the cobra r "isn't a drag car" and shouldn't be compared in the quarter mile. but my response to that is that the lotus elise isn't a drag car either. it was designed for the track. and it has tested better in the categories of handling AND speed. and complaining about the resale value of a car is totally like your last defense for the cobra r. if you are a performance enthusiast you shouldn't care about how much you are going to get out of your car, but what you are going to get from putting money in it. I know that I don't put money into my car as an "investment" but as a hobby. I hope the reply about "chicks" was a total joke, because if you are just into racing and cars to get chicks, then you are just a poser anyway. i didn't realize how close minded mustang enthusiasts are. they hate other people because they have four less cylinders, they call them names, and sterotype them(scrawny etc.). that is just sad. mustang is a really great car and i know i love mine, but i dont know about you guys....
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2. I think you get a lot of 4 cyl bashing, because with the rare exception with guy like inferno, most guys don't know jack and are typical "ricers". 4 cyl cars do suck (performance wise) no matter how many magazines call a civic a "street terror" (I did read that in an import mag once), they get there a** handed to them day in and day out at the track. Many serious mustang guys see this all the time, so are they really close minded? Even the knowledgable import guys get sick of this stuff. They know what it takes to get a fast 4 or 6 cylinder car, but they still know how fast an 8 cylinder car can be. They don't talk smack they just try to get there cars faster, and because they aren't retards, most domestic guys will respect there knowledge. Hope that sheds some light on the subject for you. Last edited by 95mustanggt; 08-28-2002 at 01:16 PM.. |
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![]() 98GTPower - you accuse us of stereotyping people, but that's what you just did to us with your comment about stang owners being "closed minded". Everyone here is an individual and it looks like some are hypocrites too.
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![]() I think that there is a Cobra R racing in the SCCA Gt Championship series as well as a couple racing in another racing series against Panoz´s, Jaguar´s, and Vette´s. Unfortunately, most of the people who bought the Cobra R, bought them as a collector´s item and they will never see the street let alone a track. From a simplicity standpoint(at least for me), if I were going to purchase a vehicle with the sole intent of racing it given the choice between the 3 I mentioned before(Elise, Z06, and Cobra R), I would pick the Elise simply because I know how to work on Honda engines, parts aren´t as expensive as a lot of people think they are for Honda´s, and I know that it would be reliable and fuel effecient should I race the car in long races. In terms of a street car, once again I say Z06 hands down, with the Elise coming in second for the "coolness" factor. You would get a lot of looks with an Elise because not very many people would know what it was and would be curious where any one can create a Cobra R clone....unfortunately, I saw a V6 stang with the Cobra R kit and wing
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![]() I pick up this mag (Sport Compact Car) every once in a while to keep up with what the Import guys are doing. Of course these Import guys wrote the Lotus Elise won, they have to sell magazines. The 1710lbs. Elise with 192rwhp vs. 3590 lbs. Mustang Cobra R with 347 rwhp. The Elise was made for road courses and had shaved racing tires when the Cobra R rode on BFGoodrich g-Force KD street tires. (Don't hold me to it, but I believe the Yokohama A038-R's are racing tires). Sneaky little bastards! The chances of you running into a Lotus Elise in America are slim to none. You have more of a chance of running into a Dodge Viper. Don't worry about that 1710lbs. British skateboard with the Honda B18 motor. If you gave the Cobra R the same tires, I bet it would run better than the Elise!
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![]() The tires on the cars are the tires that come when you buy the car. The Yokohama's might have a slight advantage, but maybe not. You are talking like the BFGoodrich g-Force KD street tires are normal everyday use tires. Those are the best tires you can get from BFGoodrich without buying drag radials or full out competition tires that can't see street duty....same thing with the Yokohama's. Then you complain about the Elise being made for road courses....hmmm...last time I checked, the Cobra R was designed for road racing too. Another thing, the chances of running into a REAL 00 Cobra R on the street is probably about the same as running into an Elise. Besides, if you want to get into the what if thing, you can order a supercharged ITR engine when you purchase the Elise from the dealer for a little more and leave no doubt about it at all which car would win. I hope their is no more whining about two cars none of us will probably ever own. Have a nice day.
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keep this in mind, anything will fly if ya throw it hard enough.( (rock, toaster, pos Neon) but you take a $80,000 an dump it into a sport car and the same amount into a commuter car...you will get your neon handed to you..plus the sports car will probably take the abuse a whole heck of a lot better. it all has to do with the oe design from the factory. Was a mustang, viper, SS, built for speed, aerodynamics...yes. was a 1.6 inline 4 plastic jelly bean Neon built to originlly go more than 110 mph..safetly or reliably...no
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![]() To be truthful, I think the Cobra R's suspension is pretty weak for the money - for that price you should be getting a tubular K-member (especially with that heavy motor they needed to lighten up the front) with better than stock geometry, coilovers, etc.
It does pull a full G on stock tires, but I think it could be alot better...
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![]() I would buy the Cobra R over a Lotus anyday. What a car does stock doesnt concern me cause I know it wont stay stock.
Lets do a few bolt ons slap some slicks on them and lets see who wins in the 1/4. Cobra R all the way Baby!
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![]() Didn't the Cobra R's come with NO A/C?... If so, then Dark I figured you of all people wouldn't want it.. Texas Plains + Summer + No A/C = Mobile Saunna..
I don't know about you, but it's too d*mn hot down here to not have an A/C.. I would understand if it was a vert... but geez, I couldn't drive around in the heat like that.....
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