radar

[stanger9219]

whats the best radar detector to buy?

[VeNuM]

Valentine 1, hands down. I speak from experience.

[Fox Body]

I haven't used a Valentine, but from what I hear from anybody who has ever used one is that it's the best. I think K-40's is good too.

[bigdaddy3312]

i have the k 40 in my car,i love it........it has a sensor in the front and rear bumper,and under my door sills...........saved me a million times......i heard good things about valentine also tho........i just wanted some thing out of the way and the little pod for my k 40 is down and out of sight from "hitch hickers"....tough call!

[Jaegermeister2k]

Sorry to jump in with my own question,but i don't understand one thing.What do those radar detectors actually do?Does it warn you that there's a radar gun close?If yes.Does it work with those portable radar detectors some cops use?Or is it one of those things that scrambles your speed or smething so the cop can't see how fast you're going?The cop can still know you're driving too fast if he compares you to normally driving people.This radar detectiors thing is very confusing for me.I'd really like to know how they work.

EDIT:Also aren't they illegal?

[mustangII460]

2k

Some states they are illegal. In Tennessee 18 wheelers cannot have them. We use Radar detector, detectors. <lol. Sounds funny.

Most of the new handheld units are of the Dopler type. The K and A, or KA bands are fading out in handheld. Laser units are expensive so most of the State or bigger cities use these.

Detectors will pick up any of these, handheld or mobile units.

As far as scramblers go. They don't work too well with the band type radars. Not perfect all the time. There is one brand of laser scrambler that works well for laser, but can't remember its name. It was $$ though. Check your state for scramblers. Somthing that sends out a signal is illegal in alot of states.

Nothing will help you if your the first one coming around the bend and a officer is waiting. Excluding that laser scrambler, but if the officer has a dopler, K,A , etc your toast.

I was standing on the side of the road one day and stopped a guy for 55 in a 20. He argued that his detector never went off. So I pointed it at another car and clocked it. Still no beep. It was a expensive unit. So I held the trigger a little longer and it finally beeped like mad. It seems the Dopler unit I had was too fast for his detector to pick up on. Sucked to be him.

[bigdaddy3312]

it is getting really crazy with the detectors to the 3rd power now....(detector detector detectors).............the unit that i have picks up these my mom is a state cop out here and i have tried pretty much all of her radar and i have picked up them.the one that gets me sometimes is the laser...it is instant on and doesnt span like a doppler radar,it is dead on your car,and no one else.good points tho!!!

[ac97gt]

is that argument valid mustangII460? i have heard that before, but i wouldnt have the balls to confront an officer on it. what would have happened if you clocked another car and it went off instantly? i heard you can argue that the officer never used the radar, you can also ask for the gun. i would never try either of these, because, in my eyes, its like saying "hey officer, im guilty, please punish me to the fullest extent of the law." if you just act politely and dont push your luck, you can at least hope for a lesser ticket (like 30 in a 25).

btw, mustangII460 i assume you are a police officer from what you said, thats why im asking.

[VeNuM]

I asked the Officer straight up once if I could see the radar and he wouldn't show it to me. In Illinois it's a law, I normally wouldn't do such a thing but he claims he clocked me at 59 in a 40 when I know for a fact I wasn't even doing 45. If you're polite the Officers are usually cool about everything. ~Brian

[Jaegermeister2k]

Maybe your speedometer was off.New gears or bigger wheels will do that.I remember once i saw a few cops at night with their light out on the side of the road,and i figured i'd step on it alittle just not too much.So i did,i think i was driving around 55mph in a 45mph zone.And next thing i know is he's pulling me over telling me i was driving 57in a 45 zone.And i have a speedcalibrator.But he also said."I'm not going to give you a ticket now.If you were driving over 60mph then i woul have given you a ticket.This time i will let you off with a warning."I didn't wanna push my luck,so i said."Thank you" and i was on my way.That was the second time that a police officer let me go off with a warning.They're people themselves afterall,and most of them are really nice guys.As long as you don't step on their toes. Since then i eather drive only alittle faster then the speedlimit,or i drive as fast as everyone else.with the occasional speedup to get infront.I dunno why,i just like to be ahead.

[mustangII460]

ac97gt

Radar needs stationary and you the moving object, to reflect the signal back to the user. It is possible the Dopler on the next car would have set off the guys detector instantly. Just depends what the signal was bouncing off of. Also his detectors angle or vehicle angle would effect his coverage. There are other things like shadowing, weather also effects it. Rain/fog will sometimes enhance the radar unit 2X. I always thought that was strange.

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One thing that most people don't understand is that radar only confirms what I have estimated your speed at. I can guess your speed within 3-5 MPH all day long. I have to, to pass certification. And yes I make mistakes too. But, If I think your going say, 55 and my unit says, 65 or 35 MPH, somethings wrong. Either its me or a flase signal. Usually if the radar reads bad, its waaaaay bad. These new units self test. They are cerified yearly and checked with forks daily. Also they don't read false that often like the old ones did. If a Officer soley relys on the radar gun, hes not doing what he was trained to do, or has never been trained in the first place.

Officers descretion on seeing radar unit in Tennessee it is not a right. I don't recomend asking though. (liar) Officers are not nessesarly going to give you a ticket. A detector means your trying to beat the system. That tips the scales (Not in your favor.) What comes out of peoples mouths is usually what gets them a ticket. I never reduce a ticket. Your warned or get it all. This comes from people bitching that I wrote them for 60 in a 55. When I origanally got them at 75 and reduced it. People always ruin it for others in anything.

What things you say are very , very important. Your busted if you have a radar detector on your dash. Humor is king. Officers listen to peoples **** all day long. Lies all day long etc. Break it up some and treat him like somebody. Meet some Cops [ BEFORE ] you get stopped. Ever take a Christmas card to Police Department thanking them for their hard work? Heck, put a picture of your car on the card, so they can spot you, may save ya a ticket. Pull up to a parked officer and walk over to shoot the breeze with him. Most officers like to talk with people. Don't pull up door to door though. Likely I'll be pointing a pistol at you if you do, although you may not see it. My job is to go home every night.

Things I write may not be fair, but thats how it is. Like it or not. Officers are ALL different. Some good, some poorly trained. Its like anywhere else you go. It's the human factor that gives you good or bad service.

[mustangII460]

I found this a while back, pretty good advice. It was from ehowa.com

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Kids, this is your Uncle Ernie talking here. And your Uncle Ernie's gonna do you a big ******* favor. I'm going to share my years of wisdom and tell you how to get out of a speeding ticket. And trust me -- I know what works -- since starting to drive eleven years ago at the ripe old age of 17, I've been pulled over seventeen -- yes I say again seventeen -- times. Been issued only four tickets. Beat three of em. And the one I didn't beat? I was young and didn't know any better -- just mailed my check in like a dumb ***.

But first, as a preface, let me first speak to the lead footed speed happy engine banger who weaves in and out of traffic stomping on the gas pedal and wont let up until you hears glass and smell **** -- I hope you hit a tree and ******* die. Slowly. Alone.

Let me now speak to the eleven law enforcement officers on the list (and potentially more if there are any of you who haven't identified yourselves as such...). No, I'm not going to tell anyone to get some whizz bang Binford Radar Detector 9000, and try to pull some 'did you use your tuning fork' bullshit on you after you pull them over. Quite the contrary. I'm sure that should you pull over someone who follows all of my guidelines, you'll more then likely let them off with a warning.

I am speaking to the majority of us. The casual every day driver who assumes that a "55 mile per hour speed limit means you can do 65", and the "as long as I'm driving with the flow of traffic I'm ok" driver, and as we all can appreciate, nobody ever does exactly the speed limit anymore.

I'm going to preset this in four parts.

-- How to not get pulled over for speeding -- by avoiding the problem, we render the need to weasel out of a speeding ticket unnecessary, right?

-- How to react in case you do get pulled over for speeding -- what are the do's and don'ts when under the prying eyes of Officer Friendly.

-- What do to if you're a ******* balloonhead and get a speeding ticket -- loser. But not all is lost, as you can still minimize the damage.

-- Miscellaneous tidbits -- Random factoids and suggestions that don't fit anywhere else.

Case Studies -- Some of the more memorable times I"ve been pulled over and what's worked and what hasn't worked.

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Part I. "How to not get pulled over for speeding."
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(a). Well, the Captain Obvious answer he is simple -- don't ******* speed. With highway speeding tickets at 65 mph in almost all states, there's really no ******* need to -- you can easily cruise along at 70mph and not a cop in sight will bother you. Late for work? Leave earlier. Gotta get to the store before it closes? Leave earlier. Trying to make good time on that trip to go see mom and dad? Think of how much time you'll lose when you're in your holding cell getting your buttery cornhole gangraped by a bunch of drunk bikers. And if you want to speed through a residential area? Just ******* don't. PERIOD. That's just ******* stupid. My father's a truck driver and by proxy, an excellent driving teacher (also taught me the in's and out's of swearing...trust me when I say he's a good ******* teacher). He always taught me to drive through residential areas like some drooling palsy equipped tard kid is going to leap out from behind every parked car and chase down his bouncing red ball. I've been driving for ten years, and I STILL follow that rule. Places where people live, work, go to school, and play, are off limits to the zoom-zoom driver. Period. The two or three minutes you might save by hitting light speed through the back roads, as compared to the amount of time you'll spend in jail for running over little Drooling Johnny is *nothing*. If whoever is waiting for you can't stand you being two or three minutes late... **** EM.

(b). Radar Detectors. Useless. Junk. Ka-ka. Nothing but electronic gadgetry designed to give you a false sense of security. I've been pulled over more times with a radar detector, then without. Finally ended up giving it away to my brother, because I didn't want it anymore. For starters, let me introduce you to instant on or pulse radar, and to laser. Each of which by the time you detect it... Officer Friendly is already filling out your speeding ticket. Radar Detectors make you feel like you're the baddest mother ****** out there. (which we all know is false because hey... I'm out there too). They make you feel like you can drive balls to the wall because you've got a clean signal. Clean signal? Well, tell me just how ******* clean your shorts are when you get those flashing lights in your rear view mirror. Pulse radar, laser, even helicopters that track your speed by those white lines marked on the highway all render your snazzy new radar detector virtually useless. And when you do get pulled over, and you do have those bright LEDs and beeping tones when the officer walks up to your window... YOU try and convince him you were speeding by accident.

(c). Your eyes. Are the best ******* radar/laser/cop/accident/hazard detector you have. Keep you ******* eyes open. Watch the sides of the road for cars pulled over. Watch you rear view mirror for those familiar headlights of the Crown Victoria, LTD, Caprice Classic. (If your state uses other unmarked police cars like Mass does -- you're screwed -- good luck). Early Warning Radar -- watch for brake lights coming on the cars that are ahead of you -- what do they see that you don't? Besides, you want to ease up off you speed when approaching a car on the side of the road anyway, because Drooling Johnny could be chasing a spare tire. Also watch for other passenger vehicles driving towards you, that are flashing their headlights. They're trying to warn you about something ahead -- maybe something in the road, accident, ... or a cop running radar from the bushes.

(d) Flow of traffic. Think that you're invulnerable just because you're driving with the flow of traffic? Well, my answer to this is simple and was most eloquently described in a fishing joke. Cop pulls a guy over for speeding, who's defense was, "I was just going with the flow of traffic." Cop's response... "Ever go fishing? -- Yeah -- Ever catch ALL the fish?" -- Catch my drift? The 'I was going with the flow of traffic" defense doesn't work. More on that later.

(e) Lane choice. Simple. Left lane bad. Middle lane good. Right lane bad (unless there's no middle lane, in that case right lane good). Cops running radar on the side of the road will hit the outer lanes first. Besides the middle lane drive at a more reasonable pace, so see rule 1A above.

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Part II. "How to react in case you do get pulled over for speeding"
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(a) 90% of the cops out there are NOT assholes.

(b) 90% of the cops out there are NOT assholes.

(c) Let me say this one more time... Cops are not assholes. If one has pulled you over? Guess what dumb dick, you deserved to be pulled over. You were speeding. This whole, "I wasn't speeding you must have measured someone else" excuse? Bullshit. "Your radar readings were off because I was too close to high power lines." Donkey Dumplings. The purpose of a cop on traffic duty is not to arbitrarily bust the balls of anyone doing 56 in a 55 zone. The purpose of a cop on traffic duty is not to blindly sweep the broadsword of justice in an attempt top raise revenue for his town. The purpose of a cop on traffic duty is to keep the assholes who do drive their cars like ******* nut jobs from smashing into the vehicles filled with our moms, dads, wives, husbands, and children. If a ******* cop pulls you over, there's a ******* reason. Don't be a piece of **** and deny it, because you're only kidding yourself. Bottom line was you WERE speeding. Be it by 5 , 15 , or 500 miles an hour, you were speeding. So shut the **** up and take your medicine.

(d) Cops Safety. This is the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR. I can NOT stress this enough. How many times have we seen those police video clips where a cop pulls over a car for a burned out taillight, goes up to the driver's side window and gets shot 4,295 times by the wacked out drug delirious dick wad behind the wheel? Lots of times? Well guess what... so have the cops. If you are unlucky enough to get pulled over, one of the best things you can do in your defense, is to let the officer know you're not a threat to him. Before he approaches your window... have BOTH hands on the wheel where he can see them. Turn your ******* radio off. Have anyone in the car with you put their hands in a visible position. If there's a pair of cops, one approaching each side of your car, put BOTH windows down. If its night time, turn your interior lights on. If your windows are tinted, lower ALL your windows. If it's raining and you're going to get your imported Italian sheepskin leather seats wet -- too ******* bad. The cop's going to be in a much more forgiving mood if he doesn't have to worry about your passenger Pablo coming up with a 9mm Glock from the back seat.

(e) Location. This goes closely with the safety rule above. Should you see those magical flashing lights in your rear view mirror, and can't pull over in a safe location immediately (i.e. no breakdown lane, or you're on an exit ramp for example)... stick your hand out of your window...give a thumbs up to the cop and point ahead to where you intend to pull over. This lets him know you're not ignoring him, and thus soothes the savage beast. And when you do pull over, move as far right as possible, so that when the officer is at your driver's side window, they'll be shielded from ongoing traffic. Remember, a happy, secure police officer can mean a forgiving, only-warning-giving police officer. And put your ******* hazzard lights (four way flashers) on as well.

(e). Respect. Harsh truth kids. That officer at your window... whether or not it's a he or a she, whether or not he has pimples or she has little tits, whether or not he's good looking or her she walks with a limp, has the power to take that instrument of death strapped to their waist and start a blasting. They can take your license, your car, your freedom and if they feel so inclined, your life. They have the ultimate power. Accept this. Treat them as such. Learn these phrases: "Yes sir", "No ma'am", "Absolutely officer." Treat them with respect, and they'll treat you with respect. Most cops are NOT assholes. And don't 'yes sir no sir' them to ******* death -- that gets dry. If you think to yourself that you're starting to sound like a broken record, then guess what balloonhead, you probably ******* are. In the ongoing war between speeding driver and ticketing cop, you've just been taken prisoner of war. And in this prison camp, all they serve is humble pie, so eat your slice. And if it's a female cop, eat an even bigger slice, because little girl cops don't get as much respect as little boy cops. So compensate for it.

(d) License and Registration. We've all watched Dragnet. We know what they're going to ask for. Shouldn't you have it ready? In a word... NO. Should you have them radily available where you can get them within five second sof being asked for them? Yes. Should you have them ready? No. Why not? Because here's what happens -- right after you pull over, you lean over to the glove box on her passenger side and get your registration, like a good little driver. Here's what the cop sees -- as he pulls this person over, they lean over to their glovebox for a few seconds and they sit back upright. Are they stashing some drugs? Getting a weapon? Hiding something? Hmmm. When the cop wants your ******* paperwork, he'll ask for it. Have it readily available -- you shouldn't have to go searching through 37 Dunkin Donuts napkins, 4 oil change receipts, 7 pictures of your ex wife's tits and 19 used condoms to find it. And after you hand it to the cop... both hands back on the ******* steering wheel. Sudden grabs under your seat to get that quarter you dropped last week and HIGHLY discouraged.

(e) Passengers. Simple. Let's all play a game called "Shut the **** up, sit still, keep your hands on your lap, and speak only when spoken to by the officer."

(f) Playing Dumb. One word. Don't. "Oh gee officer, I was passing everyone like they were standing ******* still, I've left a pile of wrecked cars behind me, but I have no idea why you're pulling me over. >innocent blink< >innocent blink<" Any excuse you can possibly come up with, trust me, that cop's already heard a dozen times already. (Granted, the one guy who intentionally **** his pants as he got pulled over, and then got out of the ticket by convincing the cop he had diarrhea, was rather resourceful). Don't piss the cop off by making then take the extra effort to explain why you're a dumbass. These excuses will not work: "I'm late for work/doctor/pick kids up/whatever", "I was going with the flow of traffic", "You must be mistaken I wasn't driving 75mph", "I thought the speed limit was 80, officer", "Well *my friend* the town selectman said he was going to raise the speed limit on this road". Try to use them and your next excuse will be to your boss because you have to take time off work for traffic court. This excuse has the best chance of success: "You're right officer, I was going a little fast. I was distracted and I can assure you it wasn't intentional and that it will not happen again." Not that aiming a 4,000 hunk of metal down the road while you fiddle **** with your radio stations is necessarily a good practice, but the cop will respect you for coming clean and not wasting his time by breaking his balls. Cops respect honesty. Not the "Well, I've had 18 beers and **** you too" type of honesty, but rather the "well, you ******* caught me, now what?" honesty. Pretending you don't know the speed limit, or thought the speed limit was 5-10 miles over what it really is, or just driving as fast as everyone else -- ain't gonna get you dick ****. Trust me, trust me, trust me. You ain't ******* fooling them. Best to spill the beans and hope to catch a break then to feed him a line of **** that's going to give him indigestion and make him irritable.

(g). Back To Their Car. This is perhaps the second most important part in not getting a speeding ticket. NEVER EVER EVER EVER let a cop take your license and registration back to his patrol car, without getting your explanation in first. NEVER EVER EVER. If the cop heads back to his car without hearing your side of the story first, then you have ZERO chance of catching a break. Nada. Zero. Zip Zilch. As you're handing your license/registration over to the cop, explain to him that you believe you know why he pulled you over, you were going a little fast, you were having a really good day, weren't paying attention, didn't mean it, won't happen again, you'll be a good little boy/girl. Even if the cop acts like he's not paying attention, believe me, they are. You just make sure he's heard your side of the story before he heads back to his cruiser to run your drivers license through and make sure you're not a wanted felon. Even if you only convince them a little bit, then you've at least got a little bit of chance to catch a break. Once the ticket's written it CAN NOT be ripped up. There is no 'take back' once their pen has touched the ticket form, because they're all serial numbered and every single one has to be accounted for. So you have to get them BEFORE they break out the Bic. Cops are not assholes. Cops are human beings. EVERY cop gives someone a break form time to time. You do what you can to make sure you;re one of those select few.

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Part III. "What do to if you're a ******* balloonhead and get a speeding ticket"
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(a) So you tried to be as un-intimidating to the cop as possible, and still you wound up getting a ticket. Sucks to be you. Take comfort in the fact that since you were speeding you do deserve the ticket and the worst you can do is get what's coming to you. On the back of your ticket there's usually the part to fill out whether or not you want to plead guilty or not guilty. ALWAYS ALWAYS plead not guilty. NEVER EVER plead guilty. Why? Not because you're trying to bust balls. But at because every single traffic court I've ever been to, the prosecutor has ALWAYS been willing to bargain, in the interest of getting the matter settled quickly. Always. Just by showing up in court, you'll stand a good chance at getting the charges significantly reduced, if not dropped altogether. This also affords you the opportunity to speak with the prosecutor -- who is a human being and we all know human beings give people a break from time to time. Your chances are also significantly increased if you already have a clean driving record, and/or if you approach the prosecutor willing to make amends. Nobody wants this case to go to trial, so make sure it doesn't.

(b) Don't challenge the cop's testimony. I'm not a big fan of this. I've read a few books, seen a few websites -- that suggest going to trial and pulling the "well officer, did you use your tuning forks in accordinance with state laws" bullshit. In my opinion, unless you're not an honest to goodness lawyer (no pun intended), don't go here. Not only do you stand a good chance of ******* up and shitting all over your own shoes, but you also stand a good chance of pissing the cop and prosecutor off. For all you know, the officer testifying against you could be the godfather to the judge's son. If this court's local to you, that means you're likely to see this cop again, and having embarrassed him in court is not going to make him recall you too fondly. Not to mention cops network. If the cop says you were speeding, then guess what brother, you were speeding. Accept this as truth and work with it. Try to be your own little Parry Mason and they prosecutor -- who has seen your type come and go a hundred times -- will eat you alive. And don't piss and moan over little inconsistancies on the ticket -- "Your honor, the officer wrote on the ticket that my vehicle is green, while you can clearly see in this picture my car is torquoise." It's your ******* ticket, and playing "tomato or tomatto" isn't going to get you anything but ****'to.

(c). Dress for success. I'm not saying you have to show up in a business suit, but a rule of thumb is wear something that you'd wear to a nice restaurant. Your jeans with the ripped knees and your faded Iron Maiden concert-t ain't gonna get you far. Look like a responsible person who merely wan't paying attention for a few minutes, and not a clueless ******* *******, and you might get the better end of the stick.

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Part IV. "Miscellaneous Tidbits"
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(a). Bumper stickers. Choose them wisely, my prodigal son. Personally , I avoid any bumper sticker that is related to any hot issues -- politics, abortion, gun control, even sports. Why? Well, me, I hate the Buffalo Bills. One of the only few ******* Raider games I went to see was at Buffalo -- ******* 26 degrees with a wind chill of -40. My feet were so ******* cold I had to take my gloves off and put them on my feet to get any feeling back in them. And the ******* Bills won 30-27. This was winter of 1988. And I say to you now, that if I were a cop and pulled over some mother ****** with a Buffalo Bills bumper sticker, I'm going to ticket that cock sucking prick for everything I'm worth. And I'm going to make his 17 year old daughter blow me while I'm at it. And if you've got a bumper sticker like, "Bad cop! No donut!" -- well, pretty much...you're fucked.

(b) Car color. Speeding ticket red. Speeding ticket yellow. Neutral black. Neutral Green. Neutral Blue. Slow white. Slow brown. ******* queer purple.

(c) Vehicle maintenance. Remember, the cop's job is to keep the roads safe. And even though they won't admit it, most cops won't even bat an eye if you break the speed limit by 5-6 miles an hour. But mechanically speaking, a brand new Lexus IS300 is a whole ******* lot more capable of doing 80mph then your beat up 1974 Chevy Impala with four mismatched tires and squeaky rear brakes. A cop's got to take this into consideration also.

(e) The ******* Cop. While 90% of the cops I've ever had the delightful pleasure to meet on the job have been very courteous, polite, understanding and generally concerned with the welfare of the public, you will occasionally meet a ******* ******* Cop (FAC). I've met one. He was one of the tickets I got (beat that mother ****** though). Should the gods frown upon you and place this FAC in your path, just sit down, keep your ******* mouth shut, resist the urge to call him a cock sucker, and start making your plans for speaking to the prosecutor about your case. I'd *like* to be optimistic and say that all cops are good people and the only time you'll run into a FAC is when they've just simply had a bad day, but who knows. Cops are people too -- they have fights with spouses, sick children, ******* bosses of their own, letters from bill collectors, etc, keep this in mind then explaining yourself in rule 2f above, and that might be to your advantage.

(f) Military. If you're in the military, you can for the most part drive wherever you want, whenever you want, however ******* fast you want. When the cop asks for drivers license and registration, hand him your military ID also. They'll inevitably say, " I didn't ask for this." And you reply in your best basic-training-broken-spirited-i-am-a-sheep-who-respects-all-authority voice that, " Well, my first sergeant said that anytime we had any interaction with the police of any kind, we had to identify ourselves as US military." This shows Mr Police Officer two things: one, you normally follow the rules; and two, you're in the military so you're at least not some wacked out drug dealer who's going to pull a 9mm Glock on them. Not to mention the overwhelming majority of cops out there are prior-military themselves, thus spawning feelings of instant camaraderie because you both shared the uniform and both got paid dick **** while you were in. A US Military ID is pretty much a get out of jail free card, unless you're a complete and total **** off to the cop, you're speeding on a military base (duh), or you're in Singapore.

(g) One person states that their cop friend would have the tendency to let people go if they had a hard time finding their registration. The mind set being if they don't know where their registration is, then they haven't needed it in a long time, so they must not have been pulled over in a long time. This strikes me as kinda ******* dumb. Granted, this person was from Alabama, so you do the math. If it were me personally, I'd get pissed off waiting, get tired of you wasting my time, run your plates and give you two ******* tickets.

(h) A Rabbit. Personally, I prefer this technique, should I be on the interstate on a long drive. Find a car travelling about the same speed that you would LIKE to be travelling. Drive slowly until he passes you, and then scooch over into his lane and ride about 1/4 mile behind him (if you're European and can't translate 1/4 mile into kilometers, touch ******* luck). Should the our rabbit pass a speed trap, the officer will flip on his lights and start to make his way to merge into traffic, thus giving you sufficient time to slow down and blend in like any other good little driver. If things go off as planned, the cop pulls over our rabbit, and we drive merrily along.

(i) Tits. While I can't comment from the female perspective first hand, I can tell you this. If I'm a police officer and I pull over a chick that's got the top few buttons on her blouse undone...and she's showing me a little swell of breast...she gets off with just a warning. (get it?...gets off...gets off with just a warning...get it...get off???). Women may get fucked at the used car dealer, but they more then make up for it at the bar, and when pulled over by a cop. Show us some cleavage ladies, look up at us with those big bashful eyes and tell us you're 'soooo sorry', and you're good to go. A little leg won't hurt either, just so long as you're not a big moose. And if you get pulled over by a female cop, well, ladies you're on your own... guys you better have a rolled up tube sock handy.

(j) Weapons. Laws vary by state to state regarding the carrying a weapon in your vehicle, so you're on your own when it comes to following your particular state's P's and Q's on the matter. If you're carrying illegally, I hope the cop shoots you and your passengers dead, and then pushes your car off the side of the road so I have less traffic to contend with. If you are legally carrying a weapon in your vehicle -- ESPECIALLY if you have a concealed weapon permit -- I'd imagine it's be in your best interest to make the officer aware of this as well. Bad way: "Yeah I use my Glock 9 to weight down my registration so it doesn't get... blown away... when I have my windows down." Instead perhaps, much like the military ID, I'd present any CCW permit when you hand over your license and registration. Good way: "Officer one thing I do want to make sure you're aware of is that I am licensed to carry a concealed weapon, here's a copy of my permit. I just didn't want you to be alarmed should you check my driver's license and find out I'm licensed to carry." Said officer may ask to take control over your little friend during the duration of the traffic stop, and you be a good little doobie and let them. If you're all legal, you'll get it back, and the cop'll appreciate your forwardness. This all rolls up into the Cop's Safety rule from 2C above.

(k) Weather. What is a speed limit and how is it established? Check your drivers book -- a speed limit is the maximum speed you can travel based upon various factors: road visibility, proximity to residential areas, historical traffic accident data for that stretch of road, and the most important thing -- is set for IDEAL weather conditions. The 65mph highway speed limit sign means you can travel up to 65mph on a bright, clear, dry, sunny day. If a cop sees you doing 65mph at night, in blinding fog, guess what -- he CAN (and most likely will) give you a speeding ticket. Honest Injun. And considering that he'll have to really put the ******* hammer down to catch you -- thus endangering his own life so that you don't run into a bus load of nuns, he's going to be mighty pissed off when he finally gets to your window. And we all know pissed off cops aren't what we want.

(l) Already pulled over. Is is it safe to go speeding past a cop who's already got someone pulled over? Well, safe for you? Probably. If he's speaking to the other driver (who most likely hasn't read this so doesn't have the knowlede you do and thus will most likely be getting a ticket), then he obviously isn't at his radar gun. I suppose that it could be an elaborate speed trap with one marked and one unmarked police car, just simply radioing ahead to more cops a mile down the road. But let me make one thing very clear. If you DON'T slow down when you're passing a cop involved in a traffic stop on the side of the road -- or a construction crew patching holes, or a guy changing his tire, or kids playing catch, or anything else of that nature -- then you're a ******* *******. Let's say that you should slow down 1/8 of a mile before these people and continue 1/8 of a mile afterwards before speeding back up to your regular pace -- for a total of 1/4 of a mile at the lower speed . At 80mph (11.5 seconds) vs 60mph (15 seconss), over that 1/4 mile stretch of road, you'd save yourself a whopping 3.5 seconds. Is that really worth the one in a million shot the the cop trips on a rock walking back to his car and stumbles into the right hand lane? Or trying to control your car after a tire blowout that sends you careening towards the shoulder of the road? 15 seconds.

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Part V. "Case Studies"
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August 1989 -- I have had my license all of three days. I am vising my friend. I am driving home. I am doing 43 in a 30mph zone. I am pulled over. Cop asks me what the **** I'm doing. Cop reads me the riot act and mercifully lets me go without a ticket. it is now I think to myself that perhaps I should develop some sort of defensive procedures.

Winter 1990 -- Travelling northbound on highway, left most lane, and I suddenly out of the ******* blue, a cop who's parked in the right shoulder of the road flips on his lights as I barrel towards him. I am all alone at the head of a big pack of traffic. I look down at my speedometer -- 68 -- speed limit is 55. I am stone cold busted. I immediately take the next exit off the highway, fully intending to get pulled over, while said police officer turns around and maneuvers his car into traffic and proceeds to haul *** down the highway in hot pursuit. I merrily watch from my exit ramp as police cruiser, in full lights display, flying down the highway to beat the ******* band. I make immediate tracks for a shopping mall and park my inconspicuous car among the sea of other salt-crusted cars. I play Centipede. (NOTE: I am lucky as a mother ******. Not using my best radar detector -- my ******* eyes, and travelling all alone in the left lane.)

August 1992 -- I am heading westbound on a highway and see a state police cruiser hidden in the weeds on the other side of the median, scanning eastbound traffic. Like a good little team player that I am I vigorously flash my headlights at the next batch of oncoming vehicles, to warn them of the speed trap they're about to rush into. Didn't realize until it was too late that one of the oncoming cars was also a state trooper. Doh. Said trooper does a u-turn and pulls me over. Cop asks me why i was flashing my headlights. I mumble some bullshit answer about trying to get my parking lights on and couldn't get the switch just right (hey gimme a break I was only 19) . Trooper rips me a new one with speech about doing their job for public safety, says he knows exactly what i was doing, and then gives me a ticket for an expired vehicle inspection which ran out 3 days before. I have car inspected with 24 hours of ticket being issued and mail into DA stating that I was out of state on military duties. Also spoke with judge on the telephone for about 15 minutes, his son was thinking of joining the Air Force. We chat, charge dismissed. But, I don't flash my headlights for other drivers anymore, sorry. (NOTE: Even the fact that i was in the military couldn't overcome my blundering excuse to the cop -- I firmly believe that if I said, "Yep, I was just trying to help other drivers out and warn them there was a speed trap" that he would have let me off with just an *** chewing. Tell the truth with no bullshit.)

January 1993 -- Myself and a friend are driving back from home to Hanscom AFB, in separate vehicles. I'm leading he's following. It's 2am , the streets are completely empty and we have the cruise control set on 55 as we travel down a two lane road in the back woods. Unfortunately, as we pass from open road to the still deserted streets of Smalltown USA, I never adjusted the cruise setting. Cop bags both of us for doing 53 in a 30.... says we were 'drag racing'. (Don't drag racers drive side by side and not one in front of the other?). First run in with FAC - makes me empty everything (and I had a lot of **** too) from the front cab of my pickup truck so that I can get my registration out of the glove box, in -9 degree weather. I wrote the DA and argue to get charges dropped. DA responds with reduction to 39 in a 30. I agree and DA sends me a bill for $125 ******* dollars. I tell DA to piss off and for the fee of $45 change my drivers license to the state I was stationed at the time, gotta love those southerners.

September 1993 -- While travelling through a small town, I sincerely overlook a sign that lowers the speed limit from 30 to 20 for a construction zone. Crusty 100 year old cop ON FOOT, flags me over to the side of the road. Walks up to the window and starts laughing at my radar detector. Says he's pulled over more people with detectors then without. Says I was doing about 28-29 mph. I am awed. He lets me go after my repeated apologies and promise to be more attentive. (NOTE: Points made on radar detector and fessing up to the truth)

March 1994 -- Late at night, around 11pm'ish, I get pulled over doing 53 in a 30 zone. (You'll see this as a reoccurring theme). Entire encounter with this police officer lasts under 20 seconds. Conversation is as follows:


Cop: "Drivers License and Registration please"
Ernie: --Hands drivers license, registration...and...dum dee dum... military ID card.--
Cop: "Where ya heading tonight in such a hurry?"
Ernie: "Home, Sir."
Cop: "Where's home?"
Ernie: "Rochester NY."
Officer: "Where you coming from?"
Ernie: "Hanscom Air Force base in Massachusetts."
Officer: "Are you in the military?"
Ernie: "Yes Sir."
Officer: "Drive carefully"

July 1998 -- After exiting the highway and travelling down a two lane city street, I get bagged doing 53 in a 30 zone. This time I make the fatal mistake of not explaining my side of the story to the cop before he goes back to his cruiser. he gives me ticket and I 'splain how I was just having a shitty day and wan't paying attention. Cop scratches his head and says if I had said that earlier, he might have just given me a warning, but he'll scribble a note to the DA on his ticket stub. When I show up for traffic court, the prosecutor (Police Sgt in this case) makes me the deal -- either do 8 hours community service or take AAA driver safety course. Driver safety course is $45 for non AAA members, $35 for members. I'm a member. My time's worth more then $4.35 an hour, so I elect the course. So I spend the following Saturday afternoon in a room with a 50'ish male instructor, one 50'ish other male student, one 16 year old male student , and ten 16-17 year old teenage student-chicks. It's summer, so they're all wearing t-shirts. It's air conditioned inside, nice and cold. Everywhere you look there were nipples poking out. I am in "heaven". Course completes, I mail certificate to the court, charge dismissed. (NOTE: Explain yourself before the cop writes ticket, work with the DA for alternatives to guilty plea)

November 1998 -- Driving home on NYS thruway, eastbound, right lane, cruise set at 65mph (speed limit). There's an older Saab coming up on my left doing that I'd guess to be about 75-maybe 80. Snaab driver has a radar detector on his dashboard -- I see it as he whizzes past. I see one lone car parked on the top of an overpass, driver's side facing us. There is someone in the car. Looks like he's holding something up. This looks odd to me. My spidey senses go off. I sit back and watch. Man in car on overpass then holds something to his mouth as we pass under him. As we clear the other side of the overpass, I can see a state trooper coming down the entrance ramp on my right, lights on. He merges into traffic and bags... the Saab. (NOTE: Radar detector -- 0, Keeping your ******* eyes open and being an alert driver -- 1)

November 1999 -- On small two lane highway following a few cars in the left lane, we're all doing about 62 in a 55. We pass a cop who has someone pulled over on the right side of the road. ******* car full of teenagers ahead of me start to **** bricks and slow down to 48 ******* miles per hour in the left ******* lane. I kick off cruise control and end up coasting up pretty ******* close to them before they begin to pick up speed again and pull away back to a reasonable following distance. Cop on side of road happens to look over when we're at our closest point -- about four feet. Cop finishes his roadside stop and merges into traffic. Kids ahead of me are shitting bricks and immediately move to right lane, exactly 55 mph, two hands on the wheel, eyes straight ahead, looks like he's got a load of **** in his pants, etc, etc, etc. Young kid stuff. I resume cruise at 62 and continue merrily along my way. Cruise comes up behind me, but I'm not shaken, no way, nuh uh, not me sir. I continue merrily along at 62mph. After all, the cops always give you a fee miles per.....woo woo woo woo woo... I can't ******* believe it. This guy's pulling me over! So he gets me over and I'm a good little boy, pull right over, give him room, both hands on the wheel when he approaches, etc. he gets up to the window and this kid can't be any more then 22 ******* years old. He's still got ******* pimples!!!! I'm thinking to myself, "you've got to be ******* kidding me." but none the less, pimples or no pimples, he's obviously passed the requirements to become a Mass state trooper, so let's play ball. I go through my 'didn't think anything of it' speech, and how I thought 62 was perfectly acceptable in a 55 zone in mild traffic on a perfectly sunny day, yes sir, no sir. He takes my stuff back to his car and I'm going ******* bullshit. I'm ******* steaming. I can't believe I'm going to get a ticket for this -- seven ******* miles over. So he comes back and gives me -- dum dee dum -- a written warning. Wow, my first written warning. he goes through the speech he has to do, "you know, 55 pmh speed limit means 55, not 56, not 57, not 62, but 55." I do the yes sir, no sir thing, and we part ways. No harm done. (NOTE: Give respect no matter how young they are, male or female, and make sure you get the chance to tell your side of the story).

Now, am I advocating speeding? of course not. Am I offering any type of guarantee that if you follow my tips, you'll get out of every speeding ticket? No, of course not. But if you do, I'm sure you'll have much better odds. Learn from my errors. Become one with my wisdom.

Well kids, that's all I've got. If you're a cop, and ONLY if you are a cop, and have some feedback, comments, suggestions or would like to share your experience on this matter, please send me an e-mail at

[Jaegermeister2k]

I actually read all of that.Here's my 2 cents.

#1-The letters looks really big.

#2-At one point you could actually see the word F U C K written on that text,even though all the other times it was just ************* out.I wonder if the board will automatically censor the word.Let's try it ****.I guess not.

#3-I don't remember all of it,but from what i do remember that was pretty cool stuff.We all already know most of that,but unlike that guy i wouldn't try to get out of a ticket.My motto is always be honest and respectfull and you'll get what you deserve.

Oh look,the letters are normal again.As i was reading it,3/4 of the way through it,the letters got really huge.

[rwhite65]

I read that one of the guys in here believes it is the law in Illinois for the police to show you the radar. It is purely the officer's discretion here. I usually do not show it to people who demand it, cause their attitude is usually agressive, no need to get a speeder out of the car...if he is going to have an attitude.

mustangII460 pointed out some great points...listen to them.
Ryan

[VeNuM]

Originally posted by Jaegermeister2k
Maybe your speedometer was off.New gears or bigger wheels will do that.I remember once i saw a few cops at night with their light out on the side of the road,and i figured i'd step on it alittle just not too much.So i did,i think i was driving around 55mph in a 45mph zone.And next thing i know is he's pulling me over telling me i was driving 57in a 45 zone.And i have a speedcalibrator.But he also said."I'm not going to give you a ticket now.If you were driving over 60mph then i woul have given you a ticket.This time i will let you off with a warning."I didn't wanna push my luck,so i said."Thank you" and i was on my way.That was the second time that a police officer let me go off with a warning.They're people themselves afterall,and most of them are really nice guys.As long as you don't step on their toes. Since then i eather drive only alittle faster then the speedlimit,or i drive as fast as everyone else.with the occasional speedup to get infront.I dunno why,i just like to be ahead.

No, my speedometer was dead on, car was stock. Also, I can judge how fast I'm going, I usually don't even have to look down at the gauge cluster, just got unlucky and hit one of those cops out of that 10% range. ~Brian

[Rev]

I was out cruising on 288 here in Houston this morning and came upon a radar trap. I normally cruise at 70 mph/3000 rpm because my convertor stalls at 2800 RPM and I want to be sure it has coupled, therefore the 3000 RPM.

My Escort passport 8500 started it's classic K band beep beep and as I got closer to an overpass, the cadence quickened until it was a solid beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep. I slowed to the 60 mph speed limit as I approached the summit of the over pass. The Tahoe behinnd me came right upon my bumper , but I wouln't budge from the 60 speed limit.

Sure enough, right over the top of the overpass, and behind a concrete safety barriar to the left of the far left lane, was a local constable pointed in our direction in his Camaro. The only thing I regretted was saving the tailgating Tahoe from a sure citation. This scenario has repeated itself dozens of times in the past few years.

For those who think radar detectors don't work, I can only wonder what they are using? My Passport 8500 retails for about $300. I got mine off Ebay for $260+$10 shipping. It's been great. I like it because it's fully programable to get it how you want it. I've deleted the X band off mine to get rid of the automatic door opener signals and the like. Nobody in Houston uses X band for law enforcement anyway.

I considered Valentine but had heard they were just to sensive and therefore caused a lot of false alarms. The only shortcoming I've seen with my Passport 8500 is an inability to detect laser beams. That's the only ticket I've had when using my detector. I'm considering a laser jammer that would emit a constant laser beam from under the front license plate. That should fix that problem.

My real question revolves around those that think radar detectors don't work?

Rev

[ArtMan]

Like Uncle Ernie said - "(b). Radar Detectors. Useless. Junk. Ka-ka. Nothing but electronic gadgetry designed to give you a false sense of security."....."For starters, let me introduce you to instant on or pulse radar, and to laser. Each of which by the time you detect it... Officer Friendly is already filling out your speeding ticket."

Laser speed detectors have made radar detectors obsolete. Even laser detectors are virtually useless, unless you happen to get a stray signal while another car is measured.

The best ways to avoid detection were noted by Uncle Ernie.

I was in traffic court once and overheard testimony from an officer describing the workings of his laser gun. He said it was like a weapon in that it had a viewfinder with crosshairs and a trigger. An officer is able to measure the speed of any object in the cross hairs. Defenses such as "it was the other guy" can't work - he sees you.

[BaLListic]

mmm i sense a real fear for the man here... Am i the only one that lives in an area and cops cant drive? Personally me i have goten out of a huge number of tickets just by giving them the slip.... The on thing i do is always watch my mirror's and know my surroundings... and if i pass a cop and i notice him i get out of sight in a hurry and take the first avaliable route.....i dunno maybe its wrong... but it works lol....

[Mach 1]

Radar detectors cerrtainly do "work", but they just as certainly dont guarantee you wont get a ticket.

They "can" help you avoid a ticket, but you still can and will get tickets while using them.