Fact or Fiction

inferno · 10-27-2002, 06:13 PM

Just curious, but do many of you guys believe that the 03 Cobra is capable of running a 12.3 bone stock on street tires? I have seen several people claiming that they have seen it happen in chat rooms and on a few import boards, but whenever I hit the Mustang sites, I see no sign of those inflated times. Not trying to start a flame war, just want some factual accounts of times for the 03 Cobra.

lx mike · 10-27-2002, 06:43 PM

do you mean the stock radials they come with or does that include drag radials and also et streets??

JaxTheDJ · 10-27-2002, 07:04 PM

Saw one run 11.98 at gainesville with Nittos,not much of a launcher,but it really comes on at top end.

Special K · 10-27-2002, 07:25 PM

that cant be stock!

stevstum · 10-27-2002, 08:52 PM

I totally believe it. You inport guys better be very afraid.

inferno · 10-27-2002, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lx mike
do you mean the stock radials they come with or does that include drag radials and also et streets??

I mean bone stock...stock tires. Even with drag radials, how the Cobra's irs is set-up, a 12.3 would be a stretch in my opinion.

Special K · 10-27-2002, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stevstum
I totally believe it. You inport guys better be very afraid.

Doesnt really matter to me... 12.3, 11.8, 10.0 ... its all out of my league!

But I think 11s is pushing it a little! I mean geez. Even Viper with 450hp and 500tq are having a hard time to run 11s stock!

gilmoujr · 10-27-2002, 10:33 PM

Here's my take. You NEVER can believe what you hear or read. Hell, even 5.0 mag reported on a "Stock" '02 GT running 13.720 (which is somewhat beleiveable). They said that the car was stock except for the shifter. After a few tweaks (which is no longer stock in my book - not even lowering the mfg's recommended tire pressure), they were able to pump out a 13.720 @ ~102. Well, the article told on them. I am near stock with weld in exhaust and a mass air kit (C&L). I dynoed at 230 rwhp and the car they ran dynoed 238. You do the math. the car was not stock. It may have LOOKED stock but I doubt it was stock. You can change the pulley on an 03 Cobra and the untrained eye would probably not notice (or get a custom chip, or gears, or ....). The 03 in question was probably not stock - not with an average driver in it anyway...

Lizard King · 10-28-2002, 12:53 AM

I believe it. Even high very high 11s. Combination of cool temperature, sunny day and decent track with VHT... very possible.

Skyman · 10-28-2002, 12:58 AM

I find it very hard to believe, but possible.

Youd need a very sticky track, and exceptionally good running car and very good weather.

The cars going to neeed to trap about 114-115 and pull a 1.9 60'.

A pretty tall order, but possible.

Skyler

Rev · 10-28-2002, 09:40 PM

I would believe mid 12's with drag radials. Hard for me to believe on stock street radials.

Rev

ItzDaLexus300 · 10-29-2002, 02:15 AM

You guys are talking about tiems but forgetting factors like Elevation, Humidity, AIr temp, track temp, wind and wind direction. and most importantly the Driver.

I watched one run myself at Freemont (NHRA Track) on drag radials run a 12.66. freemont is 2600ft above sea level it was 76 degrees with a 69degree track temp (low sun) still and 56% humidity.

*Steeda90GT* · 10-29-2002, 02:59 PM

12.4@113mph is so far the best STOCK time that I have saw and it was only done once. 12.3 may be possible...

Dark_5.0 · 10-29-2002, 03:10 PM

I say BS the very best drivers are not breaking the 12.8 barrier in my area (bone stock)

It has the HP to do it but on street tires no way.

Later,

Lizard King · 10-31-2002, 09:25 AM

Dark5.0, 12.8????

Comon guys. Under the right conditions it is possible to see high 11s. For hells sake 12.8 is only .6 better than my stock GT times. You would think 150WHP would give you better than .6 improvements.

inferno · 10-31-2002, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lizard King
Dark5.0, 12.8????

Comon guys. Under the right conditions it is possible to see high 11s. For hells sake 12.8 is only .6 better than my stock GT times. You would think 150WHP would give you better than .6 improvements.

But your "stock" times came with free mods and drag radials. I'm talking off the showroom floor.

*Steeda90GT* · 10-31-2002, 01:40 PM

12.4@113mph was best showroom floor recorded.

red82gt · 10-31-2002, 03:22 PM

I don't see a 12.3 that hard to believe at sea level, we've already seen that these things put down 365+ from the factory and pulling the silencer gains 10 or so. Take out the spare, etc. and it's got the horsepower to run 114 mph. With a 1.95 60' time which is possible on a well prepped track (the 2001 cobras have no problem seeing these 60' times at Mission raceway park) a 12.3 would be no problem. From what I've seen, the 2001 cobra seems to do better on street tires than most of us can do with our foxes out of the hole.

The way these things respond to bolt ons I'll bet that there are a few running 10's on less than $2500 worth of mods.
95mm C&L mass air w/K&N filter $295 +23rwhp
Longtubes and H-pipe $699 +40 hp
Dynomax exhaust $399
Lightning pulley $80 +70 hp
M/T ET streets $320
Rims for the ET streets $300
Custom chip $300 20?+hp
$2393=500+RWHP and sticky tires could be 10's!

Lizard King · 10-31-2002, 07:35 PM

What the hell are you taking about?

My stock time is stock. No K&N, no tint, no drag radial... can't be more straight off the showroom.

lx mike · 11-01-2002, 12:22 PM

october issue of m.m&f.f has a story about a 2003 cobra and even smith got it to a 12.43 @ 113 mph. said all he did was let it sit for an hour or so to cool off and powershifted every gear and got those time on the stock rubber. then with just the smaller pulley on and the air filter pulled got a 12.10 @ 117 mph, still on stock rubber. then they got serious and got som e.t streets, skinnies in front, passenger seat pulledthe jack and spare taken out and engine iced down. best time in that shape was 11.68 @119.36 m.p.h. doesn't take much to get them to fly.

10-27-2002, 06:13 PM	#1
inferno The Instigator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: So Cal and Houston Posts: 764	Fact or Fiction Just curious, but do many of you guys believe that the 03 Cobra is capable of running a 12.3 bone stock on street tires? I have seen several people claiming that they have seen it happen in chat rooms and on a few import boards, but whenever I hit the Mustang sites, I see no sign of those inflated times. Not trying to start a flame war, just want some factual accounts of times for the 03 Cobra. __________________ The most powerful weapon known to man is the human brain....unfortunately, many people are walking around unarmed.

10-27-2002, 06:43 PM	#2
lx mike Undescribable Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Ft Myers Fla Posts: 1,539	do you mean the stock radials they come with or does that include drag radials and also et streets?? __________________ Rice Haters Club Member #101

10-27-2002, 07:04 PM	#3
JaxTheDJ Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Jacksonville,Fla. Posts: 134	Saw one run 11.98 at gainesville with Nittos,not much of a launcher,but it really comes on at top end. __________________ Jack 1989 Mustang LX: Converted to Carb.650 AED Holley DP,Weiand Stealth Intake,Edelbrock Performer RPM Aluminum Heads,Hooker Super Comps, Ground Pounder Uppers and Lowers,Moroso Drag Springs,NEW COMP Xtreme Energy Cam and 1.6 RR. ,a few other goodies.*** New 1/4 times-12.50 1987 SC GT ( fast as hell) 2001 Powerstroke Tow Vehicle 1989 Coupe. Sometimes when you cry,no one sees your tears.......... Sometimes when you are happy,no one sees your smile......... But,FART just ONE time..........

10-27-2002, 07:25 PM	#4
Special K Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Montreal, Quebec (Canada) Posts: 246	that cant be stock! __________________ 2000 Honda Civic SiR @ 6psi 13.738 @ 102.943 mph 1989 Ford Mustang LX Coupe 5.0L (RIP)

10-27-2002, 08:52 PM	#5
stevstum Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Salem, Or. USA Posts: 233	I totally believe it. You inport guys better be very afraid. __________________ Steve Stumbaugh 89 LX 5.0 5sp, Removed air silencer Mac High Flow Air Filter Motorcraft 8mm wires Autolite platinum plugs Mac O/R h-pipe Flowmaster American Thunder 3:55 gears Accel Super Coil (42,000) 75 mm Mass Air Meter

10-27-2002, 10:33 PM	#8
gilmoujr Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dexter City, Ohio Posts: 60	Define "Stock" Here's my take. You NEVER can believe what you hear or read. Hell, even 5.0 mag reported on a "Stock" '02 GT running 13.720 (which is somewhat beleiveable). They said that the car was stock except for the shifter. After a few tweaks (which is no longer stock in my book - not even lowering the mfg's recommended tire pressure), they were able to pump out a 13.720 @ ~102. Well, the article told on them. I am near stock with weld in exhaust and a mass air kit (C&L). I dynoed at 230 rwhp and the car they ran dynoed 238. You do the math. the car was not stock. It may have LOOKED stock but I doubt it was stock. You can change the pulley on an 03 Cobra and the untrained eye would probably not notice (or get a custom chip, or gears, or ....). The 03 in question was probably not stock - not with an average driver in it anyway...

10-28-2002, 12:53 AM	#9
Lizard King midnightruns.com Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 584	I believe it. Even high very high 11s. Combination of cool temperature, sunny day and decent track with VHT... very possible. __________________ NEW CAR! - 2002 GT TrueBlue - Best Stock ET - 13.77 Old Lizard - 2000GT Electric Green - Best ET STOCK: 13.662 @ 100.2MPH

10-28-2002, 12:58 AM	#10
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	I find it very hard to believe, but possible. Youd need a very sticky track, and exceptionally good running car and very good weather. The cars going to neeed to trap about 114-115 and pull a 1.9 60'. A pretty tall order, but possible. Skyler __________________ 2001 BMW M3 6spd 12.79@108 RIP ---- 1993 Notch w/ 98 4V 4.6 Fasttt... -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- 12.32@109 -1999 Black Cobra Coupe- JBA Shorties, Bassani Cat-X, Magnaflow 3", Pulleys, 85mm Pro-M, Ported Intake, Soild Rear w/ 4.30s, Tubular Front End, X2C arms, 13lb batt, few others.

10-28-2002, 09:40 PM	#11
Rev Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 3,887	drag radials I would believe mid 12's with drag radials. Hard for me to believe on stock street radials. Rev __________________ '66 Coupe, 306, 350-375 HP, C-4, 13.07 e.t., 104.8 mph, 1/4 mi. O.B.C. #2 '66 coupe

10-29-2002, 02:15 AM	#12
ItzDaLexus300 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 55	You guys are talking about tiems but forgetting factors like Elevation, Humidity, AIr temp, track temp, wind and wind direction. and most importantly the Driver. I watched one run myself at Freemont (NHRA Track) on drag radials run a 12.66. freemont is 2600ft above sea level it was 76 degrees with a 69degree track temp (low sun) still and 56% humidity. __________________ Proveyer of everything Different. 1996 SC300 5spd ~"Some Mods" cough 1987 Pontiac Fiero Project. Ask for Details

10-29-2002, 02:59 PM	#13
Steeda90GT Registered Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: NJ Posts: 297	12.4@113mph is so far the best STOCK time that I have saw and it was only done once. 12.3 may be possible... __________________ 94 Oxford White GT. 17" Factory wheels with 275/40/17 Nitto Drag Radials. Vortech S-Trim, Anderson Power Pipe, 24lb injectors, T-Rex external, 190lph internal, 3.55s, 65mm TB, Pro M 77mm MAF, Pro 5.0 shifter, Saleen Gauges, Crane ignition, MAC longtubes, catalytic h-pipe, flowmasters.

10-29-2002, 03:10 PM	#14
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	I say BS the very best drivers are not breaking the 12.8 barrier in my area (bone stock) It has the HP to do it but on street tires no way. Later, __________________ 92' LX-Big brakes, Lots and lots of suspension, GT40X heads, Ported cobra intake, stock cam, Vortech SC trim. 00' Lightning-Stock 88'CRX-13 second ego killer

10-31-2002, 09:25 AM	#15
Lizard King midnightruns.com Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 584	Dark5.0, 12.8???? Comon guys. Under the right conditions it is possible to see high 11s. For hells sake 12.8 is only .6 better than my stock GT times. You would think 150WHP would give you better than .6 improvements. __________________ NEW CAR! - 2002 GT TrueBlue - Best Stock ET - 13.77 Old Lizard - 2000GT Electric Green - Best ET STOCK: 13.662 @ 100.2MPH

10-31-2002, 01:40 PM	#17
Steeda90GT Registered Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: NJ Posts: 297	12.4@113mph was best showroom floor recorded. __________________ 94 Oxford White GT. 17" Factory wheels with 275/40/17 Nitto Drag Radials. Vortech S-Trim, Anderson Power Pipe, 24lb injectors, T-Rex external, 190lph internal, 3.55s, 65mm TB, Pro M 77mm MAF, Pro 5.0 shifter, Saleen Gauges, Crane ignition, MAC longtubes, catalytic h-pipe, flowmasters.

10-31-2002, 03:22 PM	#18
red82gt Sober voice of Reason Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Kelowna, B.C., Canada Posts: 1,514	I don't see a 12.3 that hard to believe at sea level, we've already seen that these things put down 365+ from the factory and pulling the silencer gains 10 or so. Take out the spare, etc. and it's got the horsepower to run 114 mph. With a 1.95 60' time which is possible on a well prepped track (the 2001 cobras have no problem seeing these 60' times at Mission raceway park) a 12.3 would be no problem. From what I've seen, the 2001 cobra seems to do better on street tires than most of us can do with our foxes out of the hole. The way these things respond to bolt ons I'll bet that there are a few running 10's on less than $2500 worth of mods. 95mm C&L mass air w/K&N filter $295 +23rwhp Longtubes and H-pipe $699 +40 hp Dynomax exhaust $399 Lightning pulley $80 +70 hp M/T ET streets $320 Rims for the ET streets $300 Custom chip $300 20?+hp $2393=500+RWHP and sticky tires could be 10's! __________________ 393W: AFR 205's, hydraulic roller, TKO600.

10-31-2002, 07:35 PM	#19
Lizard King midnightruns.com Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 584	What the hell are you taking about? My stock time is stock. No K&N, no tint, no drag radial... can't be more straight off the showroom. __________________ NEW CAR! - 2002 GT TrueBlue - Best Stock ET - 13.77 Old Lizard - 2000GT Electric Green - Best ET STOCK: 13.662 @ 100.2MPH

11-01-2002, 12:22 PM	#20
lx mike Undescribable Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Ft Myers Fla Posts: 1,539	october issue of m.m&f.f has a story about a 2003 cobra and even smith got it to a 12.43 @ 113 mph. said all he did was let it sit for an hour or so to cool off and powershifted every gear and got those time on the stock rubber. then with just the smaller pulley on and the air filter pulled got a 12.10 @ 117 mph, still on stock rubber. then they got serious and got som e.t streets, skinnies in front, passenger seat pulledthe jack and spare taken out and engine iced down. best time in that shape was 11.68 @119.36 m.p.h. doesn't take much to get them to fly. __________________ Rice Haters Club Member #101

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