Video :) And a question...

supeg · 08-10-2003, 04:06 PM

Hey,

A friend of mine thought that his "Done Up" SUV (Ford Escape with Catback and Intake runs 15.8 at the track) would have a chance against my 1973 Mach1 351 4V.

So we took er to a road we know of, not to long and raced up to 70 MPH.

Results are in the video.

http://www3.telus.net/public/supeg93/Beatdown.avi

Anyways, from the look of the video and taking in consideration that he runs 15.8-15.9's at the track all day (4X4) what does it look like I can expect in the 1/4 mile?

Any guesses? Another friend of mine with a done up Prelude wants a piece as well..... So just wondering how much I can expect to beat him by.

I also have another funny video of us going at it from a roll (He thought he would have a better chance cause I got 4.11)

Specs
351 Cleavland
750 Holly Double Pumper Carb
Comp Camp
4.11
Posi Rear
Bored .30 over
Edelbrock Headers
Full custom Cat back (Shitty muffler and 1 1/2 inch pipes! I know I know I need bigger!)
MSD Ignition
Edelbrock Intake

Hammer · 08-10-2003, 07:49 PM

When you say the escape has an "intake", you're speaking of a Cold Air Kit right? Not an actual upper intake plenum...

Considering that and a cat-back exhaust usually nets you next to no horsepower in most applications (at least for late model mustangs), its hard for me to believe that this guy's escape runs 15.8, maybe 17.8... Where did he get these numbers from?

As far as your times, I would guesstimate low 14s with a good 60 foot....

supeg · 08-10-2003, 08:21 PM

He got his #'s from the track slip. I was there to see it.

They run low 16's stock. Think he ran 16.2 stock. 201hp For a 3280 SUV...

V6 Stangs have 190hp and weigh around 3200-3300 pounds and what do they run about?

He has Borla Cat Back and some kind of cold air intake (Not sure what brand)

Things peppy for sure, I drove it once (Well for a SuV)

We only took it up to 70 (110 KM) then shut them down. Obviously there would be even more of a lead if we took them higher (no room).

Think that, that much of a lead would only translate to 1.5 second lead on the 1/4 mile?

I gotta take er to the track I think...

86 Grand Marqui · 08-11-2003, 10:45 PM

16.5 @85 for a V-6 stang with a "perfect run".I can hang with them on the street;on motor.

86 Grand Marqui · 08-11-2003, 11:04 PM

I JUST looked at the video.Assuming that he runs a 15.8;the Mach 1 is For Sure faster than a Low 14 Folks!.He is @1 car out at the 1st pole,(and he spun)and +@5 mph.@8 cars and +@12mph at the 2nd.The Mach 1 makes it to the 3rd pole @1.5 secs before the other guy gets to the 2nd pole.He runs @1/8 mile before the video shuts off.Look how far the Mach 1 is ahead.Later.

slow98 · 08-12-2003, 12:03 AM

15.8 sounds kinda out there for one of those....whats the mph and the 60' maybe we can see were the et is coming from but for somthin to compare to i ran against an svt contour who picked a grudge match with me for what reason i dont know...but i think he ran like a 16.3 i think...if i can find the time slip i will tell u for sure but i would think one of those could take an escape...just a thought....

blue00gt · 08-12-2003, 02:11 PM

Newer V6 stangs run more like solid 15s with a 5-speed and a bit slower with an auto.

supeg · 08-12-2003, 03:39 PM

I tried calling my buddy with the Escape to get more details 60 foot and mph times but could not get ahold of him.

A friend of his with the same setup but with a superchip ran

1/4m 15.6s @ 87.6mph 60' 2.376

Escape

Anyways here is another one, from a roll this time. I let off pretty not to far into it which makes it looks like he was catching up..

Roll

Got another one, the first video from off the line where I took it up to 4200 to launch (Yes Im a moron) Spun all through 1st, changed to 2nd pretty crappy as well and spun in second a little.

Oh well here that one is.
Spin

slow98 · 08-12-2003, 11:40 PM

looks like someone chucked a brick at ur buddy's winshield....with a 60' time of 2.3 i just cant see this guy running a 15.6...maybe these things really are kinda quik but im just having a hard time believing it

blue00gt · 08-13-2003, 12:36 PM

Those numbers actually seem reasonable. My '84 5.0LX with 2.73 gears and auto ran 15.7@87 with a 2.3 60-ft bone stock. It had around 180 horsepower and weighed close to what the Escape weighs. I'm sure the Escape is geared better, too.

slow98 · 08-14-2003, 12:20 AM

if im not mistakin doesnt an 84 lx weigh around 27-2800 and escapes weigh around 33-3400???im sure the tang had alot more torque than the escape as well

86 Grand Marqui · 08-16-2003, 09:55 AM

I guess all the V-6's I have messed with either had a plug wire off or were messing with me.

Rev · 08-17-2003, 01:58 AM

I have to agree with 86 Grand Marqui on this one. I think my wife's '00 ES 300 probably runs mid 16's or there abouts. I also believe I could waste a V-6 Mustang if need be. I will admit that I've never really have done that race. Still, I believe the Lexus would prevail by a noticeable margin.

Rev

gofastmercury · 08-17-2003, 01:54 PM

I don't think the SUV's time is really in question, the guy says he saw it, both the run and the slip. A high 15 is not really out the question for a 200hp, 3200 pound car. The 4V cleavlands were pretty fast to begin with, yours is modded a bit. I don't a 13 is out of reach at all. Maybe even a deep 13. Go to strip and find out! We all really need to know.

The thing I can't believe is that guy sees you blow your tires off, and thinks, if its from a roll he will have a better shot?!??

What made him think he even had a chance at all? Are kids really that dumb that think a cool air and shiny muffler is suddely going to make their car fast??

gofastmercury · 08-17-2003, 01:57 PM

I just checked the sites analyzer:

200hp (not even going to guess at the hp gained with mods)
3400pounds

14.98@91

Seems that he could be alot faster.........

86 Grand Marqui · 08-17-2003, 09:09 PM

I don't know anything about those vehicles.My point was that the Mach 1 is much faster than a low 14.(Based on the video)IF the other guy runs a 15.6 or so.At the end of the video the Mach 1 is probably close to 200 feet ahead of him. I know it's hard to tell from the video.Might be more.Lets say 200.That's faster than a low 14 folks.

I run a 16.38 with a 2.19 60',slow98; and I am A LOT heavier than any of the vehicles mentioned.

blue00gt · 08-18-2003, 01:13 PM

The '84LX was more like 3000-3100 lbs with the 5.0 and if I remember correctly it had 240 or 250 lb-ft of torque.

slow98 · 08-18-2003, 11:36 PM

I run a 16.38 with a 2.19 60',slow98; and I am A LOT heavier than any of the vehicles mentioned.

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whats that got to do with anything??

08-10-2003, 04:06 PM	#1
supeg Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 19	Video :) And a question... Hey, A friend of mine thought that his "Done Up" SUV (Ford Escape with Catback and Intake runs 15.8 at the track) would have a chance against my 1973 Mach1 351 4V. So we took er to a road we know of, not to long and raced up to 70 MPH. Results are in the video. http://www3.telus.net/public/supeg93/Beatdown.avi Anyways, from the look of the video and taking in consideration that he runs 15.8-15.9's at the track all day (4X4) what does it look like I can expect in the 1/4 mile? Any guesses? Another friend of mine with a done up Prelude wants a piece as well..... So just wondering how much I can expect to beat him by. I also have another funny video of us going at it from a roll (He thought he would have a better chance cause I got 4.11) Specs 351 Cleavland 750 Holly Double Pumper Carb Comp Camp 4.11 Posi Rear Bored .30 over Edelbrock Headers Full custom Cat back (Shitty muffler and 1 1/2 inch pipes! I know I know I need bigger!) MSD Ignition Edelbrock Intake

08-10-2003, 07:49 PM	#2
Hammer AKA "Dr. Evil" Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: South Fork Ranch Posts: 1,721	When you say the escape has an "intake", you're speaking of a Cold Air Kit right? Not an actual upper intake plenum... Considering that and a cat-back exhaust usually nets you next to no horsepower in most applications (at least for late model mustangs), its hard for me to believe that this guy's escape runs 15.8, maybe 17.8... Where did he get these numbers from? As far as your times, I would guesstimate low 14s with a good 60 foot.... __________________ Uncle Sam "What the hell is up with all the gauges? Calling Captain Kirk, your ride awaits... Phasers on stun...."

08-12-2003, 12:03 AM	#6
slow98 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: draper,va,us Posts: 206	15.8 sounds kinda out there for one of those....whats the mph and the 60' maybe we can see were the et is coming from but for somthin to compare to i ran against an svt contour who picked a grudge match with me for what reason i dont know...but i think he ran like a 16.3 i think...if i can find the time slip i will tell u for sure but i would think one of those could take an escape...just a thought.... __________________ 1998 mustang gt/manual..373s,bbk offroad h pipe,flowmaster cat back,c&l 80 mm maf,steeda triax,eibach springs,steeda ud pulleys,upr timing adjuster,screamon demos coil packs,motorsports 9mm plug wires,steea aluminum lca's,steeda heavy duty uca's and just over 100 k on the clock

08-12-2003, 02:11 PM	#7
blue00gt Mustang Addict Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: McKinney, TX Posts: 1,294	Newer V6 stangs run more like solid 15s with a 5-speed and a bit slower with an auto. __________________ Strike down the unroadworthy! 2000 GT Atl. Blue: '03 Cobra motor - 465rwhp/473rwtq, T-56 6-speed, full MM TA/PH & tubular K-member suspension, Saleen body, 17" Torq-Thrust II's, M/T ET Street radials, and lots more '94 Rio Red Cobra: All the bolt-ons, 3.73s

08-12-2003, 11:40 PM	#9
slow98 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: draper,va,us Posts: 206	looks like someone chucked a brick at ur buddy's winshield....with a 60' time of 2.3 i just cant see this guy running a 15.6...maybe these things really are kinda quik but im just having a hard time believing it __________________ 1998 mustang gt/manual..373s,bbk offroad h pipe,flowmaster cat back,c&l 80 mm maf,steeda triax,eibach springs,steeda ud pulleys,upr timing adjuster,screamon demos coil packs,motorsports 9mm plug wires,steea aluminum lca's,steeda heavy duty uca's and just over 100 k on the clock

08-10-2003, 08:21 PM	#3
supeg Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 19	He got his #'s from the track slip. I was there to see it. They run low 16's stock. Think he ran 16.2 stock. 201hp For a 3280 SUV... V6 Stangs have 190hp and weigh around 3200-3300 pounds and what do they run about? He has Borla Cat Back and some kind of cold air intake (Not sure what brand) Things peppy for sure, I drove it once (Well for a SuV) We only took it up to 70 (110 KM) then shut them down. Obviously there would be even more of a lead if we took them higher (no room). Think that, that much of a lead would only translate to 1.5 second lead on the 1/4 mile? I gotta take er to the track I think...

08-11-2003, 10:45 PM	#4
86 Grand Marqui Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dover, Delaware...Ft.Pierce, Florida...Hiawassee, Georgia...Las Vegas, Nevada. Posts: 90	16.5 @85 for a V-6 stang with a "perfect run".I can hang with them on the street;on motor.

08-11-2003, 11:04 PM	#5
86 Grand Marqui Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dover, Delaware...Ft.Pierce, Florida...Hiawassee, Georgia...Las Vegas, Nevada. Posts: 90	I JUST looked at the video.Assuming that he runs a 15.8;the Mach 1 is For Sure faster than a Low 14 Folks!.He is @1 car out at the 1st pole,(and he spun)and +@5 mph.@8 cars and +@12mph at the 2nd.The Mach 1 makes it to the 3rd pole @1.5 secs before the other guy gets to the 2nd pole.He runs @1/8 mile before the video shuts off.Look how far the Mach 1 is ahead.Later.

08-12-2003, 03:39 PM	#8
supeg Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 19	I tried calling my buddy with the Escape to get more details 60 foot and mph times but could not get ahold of him. A friend of his with the same setup but with a superchip ran 1/4m 15.6s @ 87.6mph 60' 2.376 Escape Anyways here is another one, from a roll this time. I let off pretty not to far into it which makes it looks like he was catching up.. Roll Got another one, the first video from off the line where I took it up to 4200 to launch (Yes Im a moron) Spun all through 1st, changed to 2nd pretty crappy as well and spun in second a little. Oh well here that one is. Spin

08-13-2003, 12:36 PM	#10
blue00gt Mustang Addict Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: McKinney, TX Posts: 1,294	Those numbers actually seem reasonable. My '84 5.0LX with 2.73 gears and auto ran 15.7@87 with a 2.3 60-ft bone stock. It had around 180 horsepower and weighed close to what the Escape weighs. I'm sure the Escape is geared better, too. __________________ Strike down the unroadworthy! 2000 GT Atl. Blue: '03 Cobra motor - 465rwhp/473rwtq, T-56 6-speed, full MM TA/PH & tubular K-member suspension, Saleen body, 17" Torq-Thrust II's, M/T ET Street radials, and lots more '94 Rio Red Cobra: All the bolt-ons, 3.73s

08-14-2003, 12:20 AM	#11
slow98 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: draper,va,us Posts: 206	if im not mistakin doesnt an 84 lx weigh around 27-2800 and escapes weigh around 33-3400???im sure the tang had alot more torque than the escape as well __________________ 1998 mustang gt/manual..373s,bbk offroad h pipe,flowmaster cat back,c&l 80 mm maf,steeda triax,eibach springs,steeda ud pulleys,upr timing adjuster,screamon demos coil packs,motorsports 9mm plug wires,steea aluminum lca's,steeda heavy duty uca's and just over 100 k on the clock

08-16-2003, 09:55 AM	#12
86 Grand Marqui Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dover, Delaware...Ft.Pierce, Florida...Hiawassee, Georgia...Las Vegas, Nevada. Posts: 90	I guess all the V-6's I have messed with either had a plug wire off or were messing with me.

08-17-2003, 01:58 AM	#13
Rev Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 3,887	Agree I have to agree with 86 Grand Marqui on this one. I think my wife's '00 ES 300 probably runs mid 16's or there abouts. I also believe I could waste a V-6 Mustang if need be. I will admit that I've never really have done that race. Still, I believe the Lexus would prevail by a noticeable margin. Rev __________________ '66 Coupe, 306, 350-375 HP, C-4, 13.07 e.t., 104.8 mph, 1/4 mi. O.B.C. #2 '66 coupe

08-17-2003, 01:54 PM	#14
gofastmercury Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: calgary alberta canada Posts: 366	I don't think the SUV's time is really in question, the guy says he saw it, both the run and the slip. A high 15 is not really out the question for a 200hp, 3200 pound car. The 4V cleavlands were pretty fast to begin with, yours is modded a bit. I don't a 13 is out of reach at all. Maybe even a deep 13. Go to strip and find out! We all really need to know. The thing I can't believe is that guy sees you blow your tires off, and thinks, if its from a roll he will have a better shot?!?? What made him think he even had a chance at all? Are kids really that dumb that think a cool air and shiny muffler is suddely going to make their car fast?? __________________ 93LXcopcarSOLD14.3@96 @ 4500ft 2.02 60ft on street tires. my 67 ranchero NOT A 390 ANY MORE! 460! 3.70's cast manifolds, comp cams 262H, performer, 750DP 100K out of 79 F250 NEW(oct20/02)14.58@95mph 2.3 60 ft corrects to:13.86@100 66 merc comet351w, isky roller 600 lift 268/260@.050, vic jr. 700DP, 5000stall, 4.56's c-4, 3400lbs with driver 12.3@110 @ 4000ft 1.69 60 ft corrects to:11.69@115

08-17-2003, 01:57 PM	#15
gofastmercury Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: calgary alberta canada Posts: 366	I just checked the sites analyzer: 200hp (not even going to guess at the hp gained with mods) 3400pounds 14.98@91 Seems that he could be alot faster......... __________________ 93LXcopcarSOLD14.3@96 @ 4500ft 2.02 60ft on street tires. my 67 ranchero NOT A 390 ANY MORE! 460! 3.70's cast manifolds, comp cams 262H, performer, 750DP 100K out of 79 F250 NEW(oct20/02)14.58@95mph 2.3 60 ft corrects to:13.86@100 66 merc comet351w, isky roller 600 lift 268/260@.050, vic jr. 700DP, 5000stall, 4.56's c-4, 3400lbs with driver 12.3@110 @ 4000ft 1.69 60 ft corrects to:11.69@115

08-17-2003, 09:09 PM	#16
86 Grand Marqui Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dover, Delaware...Ft.Pierce, Florida...Hiawassee, Georgia...Las Vegas, Nevada. Posts: 90	I don't know anything about those vehicles.My point was that the Mach 1 is much faster than a low 14.(Based on the video)IF the other guy runs a 15.6 or so.At the end of the video the Mach 1 is probably close to 200 feet ahead of him. I know it's hard to tell from the video.Might be more.Lets say 200.That's faster than a low 14 folks. I run a 16.38 with a 2.19 60',slow98; and I am A LOT heavier than any of the vehicles mentioned.

08-18-2003, 01:13 PM	#17
blue00gt Mustang Addict Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: McKinney, TX Posts: 1,294	The '84LX was more like 3000-3100 lbs with the 5.0 and if I remember correctly it had 240 or 250 lb-ft of torque. __________________ Strike down the unroadworthy! 2000 GT Atl. Blue: '03 Cobra motor - 465rwhp/473rwtq, T-56 6-speed, full MM TA/PH & tubular K-member suspension, Saleen body, 17" Torq-Thrust II's, M/T ET Street radials, and lots more '94 Rio Red Cobra: All the bolt-ons, 3.73s

08-18-2003, 11:36 PM	#18
slow98 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: draper,va,us Posts: 206	I run a 16.38 with a 2.19 60',slow98; and I am A LOT heavier than any of the vehicles mentioned. [/B][/QUOTE] whats that got to do with anything?? __________________ 1998 mustang gt/manual..373s,bbk offroad h pipe,flowmaster cat back,c&l 80 mm maf,steeda triax,eibach springs,steeda ud pulleys,upr timing adjuster,screamon demos coil packs,motorsports 9mm plug wires,steea aluminum lca's,steeda heavy duty uca's and just over 100 k on the clock

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