Am I out of my league???

Dark_5.0 · 04-26-2001, 12:11 AM

Ok, here is the situation this guy i know, well actually he is my brother. He has a 81' camaro with a 406 sb turbo 400 tranny 3.73 gears, headers cam intake 750 carb he has been runnin a 14.39 @94mph. This weekend he is putting on some world products sportsman 2 heads so i dont know how fast his car will be after that. Anyways he is always talking crap about my car saying things such as 5.slow. Now I havent had my stang long and havent got to run it yet, I will be runnin it for the first time on may 5 at the test and tune. I have about one week to tune my car what can I do to kill this camaro. BTW the guy i bought my car from said that it ran a 14.5 and that was before my mac cold air fender kit, my headers , my clutch and nitto drag radials. So assuming I can drive what are my chances

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88 mustang gt convertible BBk equal length headers mac cold air intake cowl hood nitto drag radials ford racing clutch flow masters h-pipe.

StoplightWarrior · 04-26-2001, 01:02 AM

With those mods, Id say youd run a 14.2-14.3. If he can run faster than that, then youre gonna lose. If he cant, I think you'll win.

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Black 2000 GT
Magnaflow mufflers, K&N
Steeda springs, subs, strut tower, CC plates

bigwhitecobra · 04-26-2001, 01:30 AM

It's in the bag. Granted you have a 'vert, and not alot of mods, but you did get the right ones to start with. Do you have a set of gears? If not, invest in them real soon. It's the best bang for the buck. Good luck and let us know what happens. Oh, and take pictures, we wanna see!

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The Black Mamba 11.2@124 Not running, engine being pulled. 351 going in with blower.
94 Cobra- MAC cold air fender kit, Motorsport underdrive pulley's, MAC 21/2" off-road H pipe, SVO mufflers, 3.73 gears, E-303 cam, 13.417@101.335mph

red82gt · 04-26-2001, 01:45 AM

If you haven't done it yet, Bump your timing to 14 degrees and use 91+ octane gas. This will give you a little more low end and better throttle response. Also make sure that your throttle position voltage is set at ~.95 volts at idle. Oh, and listen to bigwhitecobra, the gears are probably the best way to spend your money, let us know how it goes.

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GT-40 heads (ported, polished, + milled), B303 cam, 1.7rr's, JE pistons, Offy intake, Carter AFB 625cfm carb, Flowtech 1 5/8" shortys, Flowtech X-pipe, MAC Flowpath exhaust, MAC pulleys, 373's, subframes, Eibachs+Tokicos, B+M ripper, FMS Clutch, Zoom Quadrant+cable, 17" CSA Ultra rims, 235/45ZR17 Yokohama AVS S4's, MSD 6A ignition+coil, FMS 9mm wires, Carbed, Naturally Aspirated, and Nasty!

FivepointOH · 04-26-2001, 10:38 AM

Are you running him on the street or at the track? If you're running him on the street i'll say that you're gonna beat him pretty easy. Street racing is all about trap speed and his 94mph is pretty low... dont know what he will do after the heads though but I'd say you should be running about 97-98mph

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92 AOD GT, K&N, ram air, pulleys, 2 ch. flowmasters, 4:10's, shift kit, 1 5/8 mac longtubes and offroad hpipe 14.249 @ 97.34 mph before the headers and hpipe

Dark_5.0 · 04-26-2001, 12:21 PM

I will be racing him at the track on may 5. No "big white cobra" I do not have gears yet but plan on going in with 4.10's real soon. How do I set the throttle position voltage? If I dont win it wont be from a lack of trying. I think if my nittos hold traction that will give me the edge cause with his new heads he will spin i think.

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88 mustang gt convertible BBk equal length headers mac cold air intake cowl hood nitto drag radials ford racing clutch flow masters h-pipe 180 degree thermostat 16 degrees of timing

Fostang · 04-26-2001, 03:32 PM

He has about 100 more cubes than you and what seems to be more mods and he's been running 14.39 I don't think he has the right to say 5.slow.

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67'fastback- Edelbrock carb, intake, cam, valve springs. Road lifters, Comp Cam rocker arms, windage tray, cerama coated headers, dual flows with H-pipe, modded c-4, tci stall converter, perma cool electric fan, aluminum water pump, griffen aluminum radiator, accel 8.8 cable, wide cap distriburator, magnetic pick up, manley valves, v-matic hurst shifter, edelbrock performer nitrous, carter electric fuel pump, ignitor coil, solid motor mounts, magna racing suspension, poly urathane bushings, und

Skyman · 04-26-2001, 05:41 PM

If you race him after the heads you will probably loose. Especailly if he does a cam also, which he should. But before, you should take him easy.

Sky

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-1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS Heads, E-303, edelbrock intake,70MM TB, 73mm MAF, off road H, headers and 3chamber flows.
12.55@107mph
Going for 11's on 87 octane with A/C and 20+MPG!!!

91LX2Bfast · 04-26-2001, 06:09 PM

Think about it. The heads are the only thing holding that motor back right now. He already has the big cubes, then of course the cam, intake, carb, and gears. Those heads that he has on there now have to be the worst set of smog heads ever. That is going to be a different car w/ those heads. I have to say he will put some car lengths on you pretty easy.

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1997 Thunderbird 4.6L: Dynomax exhaust, Lightning 80mm MAF, Accufab MAF adapter, 7" powerstack cone filter, B&M 24,000GVW trans cooler, Inject-Tech chip, many more to come...15.2 @ 91. Not bad for a 3800lb auto 4.6L

No Longer own: 91 LX 5.0L 5 spd

Unit 5302 · 04-26-2001, 10:12 PM

I'm gonna have to agree, if he puts the heads on with all the bolts in there he's should smoke you.

Course, if he's got P185 tires on there maybe low 14's is the best he can do period. LOL

red82gt · 04-27-2001, 02:02 AM

To set the TPS voltage you'll need a digital voltmeter, you tap the positive side of the meter into the red lead wire coming off the TPS and ground the negative side, then turn the ignition key to the on position. Loosen the screws and adjust it until it reads about .95 volts and tighten the screws again. I may have missed something, I own a carbed car and haven't done this check for a couple of years, come on fuel injected guys!Help him out!

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GT-40 heads (ported, polished, + milled), B303 cam, 1.7rr's, JE pistons, Offy intake, Carter AFB 625cfm carb, Flowtech 1 5/8" shortys, Flowtech X-pipe, MAC Flowpath exhaust, MAC pulleys, 373's, subframes, Eibachs+Tokicos, B+M ripper, FMS Clutch, Zoom Quadrant+cable, 17" CSA Ultra rims, 235/45ZR17 Yokohama AVS S4's, MSD 6A ignition+coil, FMS 9mm wires, Carbed, Naturally Aspirated, and Nasty!

Dark_5.0 · 04-27-2001, 12:23 PM

Well I have excepted the fact that I will lose in the 1/4 mile. That is I will lose on May 5 but I will not lose after that cause I plan on doing some head porting and drop in a set of 4.10's if I still am getting waxed after that I will have to go with some giggle gas cause there is no way I am gonna let all the camaros here dust me. I am going for a low 14 second run just to prove to them that 5.slow is bs. It might take me a few months but 12 second runs are on the way. If I can run as fast as his camaro was running before these new heads I will consider it a personal victory and a testement to "FORD POWER".

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88 mustang gt convertible BBk equal length headers mac cold air intake cowl hood nitto drag radials ford racing clutch flow masters h-pipe 180 degree thermostat 16 degrees of timing

red82gt · 04-27-2001, 01:28 PM

If you beat his original time I wouldn't let him live it down! 14.4 with a 406!?!?! I'm laughing at him already!

silver_pilate · 04-27-2001, 04:18 PM

5.0 HO,

Where are you guys racing? I'm up in Plainview...if I didn't have to work, I would head down and watch. If you're ever up this way, look me up.

--nathan

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--silver_pilate

'91 GT, Built 306, Wolverine 1087 cam, ported Windsor Jr. Irons, and all the goodies...click the link to the left to see a full list of my mods...

Tried and True 302 Being Built to Outrun You! heh heh heh...
--Texas Panhandle--
Check out my site

Dark_5.0 · 04-27-2001, 09:41 PM

Hey siver_pilate I will be racing in penwell wich is a little crap town with a drag strip. If I am ever in plainview I will look you up, its always nice to talk to a fellow mustang guy. I checked out your site and u have one sweet stang. Thank you "RED 82 gt" for your input i will try to do the voltage thing this weekend.

Nitrous Al · 04-28-2001, 05:40 PM

Go to a bank and get a loan and buy an intake and heads. Correction, rob the bank, buy the intake and heads and rip your brother a new one!

04-26-2001, 12:11 AM	#1
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	Am I out of my league??? Ok, here is the situation this guy i know, well actually he is my brother. He has a 81' camaro with a 406 sb turbo 400 tranny 3.73 gears, headers cam intake 750 carb he has been runnin a 14.39 @94mph. This weekend he is putting on some world products sportsman 2 heads so i dont know how fast his car will be after that. Anyways he is always talking crap about my car saying things such as 5.slow. Now I havent had my stang long and havent got to run it yet, I will be runnin it for the first time on may 5 at the test and tune. I have about one week to tune my car what can I do to kill this camaro. BTW the guy i bought my car from said that it ran a 14.5 and that was before my mac cold air fender kit, my headers , my clutch and nitto drag radials. So assuming I can drive what are my chances ------------------ 88 mustang gt convertible BBk equal length headers mac cold air intake cowl hood nitto drag radials ford racing clutch flow masters h-pipe.

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Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	I will be racing him at the track on may 5. No "big white cobra" I do not have gears yet but plan on going in with 4.10's real soon. How do I set the throttle position voltage? If I dont win it wont be from a lack of trying. I think if my nittos hold traction that will give me the edge cause with his new heads he will spin i think. ------------------ 88 mustang gt convertible BBk equal length headers mac cold air intake cowl hood nitto drag radials ford racing clutch flow masters h-pipe 180 degree thermostat 16 degrees of timing

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Fostang Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Stockton, Ca Posts: 599	He has about 100 more cubes than you and what seems to be more mods and he's been running 14.39 I don't think he has the right to say 5.slow. ------------------ 67'fastback- Edelbrock carb, intake, cam, valve springs. Road lifters, Comp Cam rocker arms, windage tray, cerama coated headers, dual flows with H-pipe, modded c-4, tci stall converter, perma cool electric fan, aluminum water pump, griffen aluminum radiator, accel 8.8 cable, wide cap distriburator, magnetic pick up, manley valves, v-matic hurst shifter, edelbrock performer nitrous, carter electric fuel pump, ignitor coil, solid motor mounts, magna racing suspension, poly urathane bushings, und

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Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	If you race him after the heads you will probably loose. Especailly if he does a cam also, which he should. But before, you should take him easy. Sky ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS Heads, E-303, edelbrock intake,70MM TB, 73mm MAF, off road H, headers and 3chamber flows. 12.55@107mph Going for 11's on 87 octane with A/C and 20+MPG!!!

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91LX2Bfast Registered Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Warrington, PA Posts: 694	Think about it. The heads are the only thing holding that motor back right now. He already has the big cubes, then of course the cam, intake, carb, and gears. Those heads that he has on there now have to be the worst set of smog heads ever. That is going to be a different car w/ those heads. I have to say he will put some car lengths on you pretty easy. ------------------ 1997 Thunderbird 4.6L: Dynomax exhaust, Lightning 80mm MAF, Accufab MAF adapter, 7" powerstack cone filter, B&M 24,000GVW trans cooler, Inject-Tech chip, many more to come...15.2 @ 91. Not bad for a 3800lb auto 4.6L No Longer own: 91 LX 5.0L 5 spd

04-26-2001, 10:12 PM	#10
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	I'm gonna have to agree, if he puts the heads on with all the bolts in there he's should smoke you. Course, if he's got P185 tires on there maybe low 14's is the best he can do period. LOL

04-27-2001, 02:02 AM	#11
red82gt Sober voice of Reason Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Kelowna, B.C., Canada Posts: 1,514	To set the TPS voltage you'll need a digital voltmeter, you tap the positive side of the meter into the red lead wire coming off the TPS and ground the negative side, then turn the ignition key to the on position. Loosen the screws and adjust it until it reads about .95 volts and tighten the screws again. I may have missed something, I own a carbed car and haven't done this check for a couple of years, come on fuel injected guys!Help him out! ------------------ GT-40 heads (ported, polished, + milled), B303 cam, 1.7rr's, JE pistons, Offy intake, Carter AFB 625cfm carb, Flowtech 1 5/8" shortys, Flowtech X-pipe, MAC Flowpath exhaust, MAC pulleys, 373's, subframes, Eibachs+Tokicos, B+M ripper, FMS Clutch, Zoom Quadrant+cable, 17" CSA Ultra rims, 235/45ZR17 Yokohama AVS S4's, MSD 6A ignition+coil, FMS 9mm wires, Carbed, Naturally Aspirated, and Nasty!

04-27-2001, 12:23 PM	#12
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	Well I have excepted the fact that I will lose in the 1/4 mile. That is I will lose on May 5 but I will not lose after that cause I plan on doing some head porting and drop in a set of 4.10's if I still am getting waxed after that I will have to go with some giggle gas cause there is no way I am gonna let all the camaros here dust me. I am going for a low 14 second run just to prove to them that 5.slow is bs. It might take me a few months but 12 second runs are on the way. If I can run as fast as his camaro was running before these new heads I will consider it a personal victory and a testement to "FORD POWER". ------------------ 88 mustang gt convertible BBk equal length headers mac cold air intake cowl hood nitto drag radials ford racing clutch flow masters h-pipe 180 degree thermostat 16 degrees of timing

04-27-2001, 01:28 PM	#13
red82gt Sober voice of Reason Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Kelowna, B.C., Canada Posts: 1,514	If you beat his original time I wouldn't let him live it down! 14.4 with a 406!?!?! I'm laughing at him already!

04-27-2001, 04:18 PM	#14
silver_pilate DURKA DURKA!! Join Date: Sep 1997 Location: Lubbock, TX...(TX panhandle) Posts: 1,418	5.0 HO, Where are you guys racing? I'm up in Plainview...if I didn't have to work, I would head down and watch. If you're ever up this way, look me up. --nathan ------------------ --silver_pilate '91 GT, Built 306, Wolverine 1087 cam, ported Windsor Jr. Irons, and all the goodies...click the link to the left to see a full list of my mods... Tried and True 302 Being Built to Outrun You! heh heh heh... --Texas Panhandle-- Check out my site

04-27-2001, 09:41 PM	#15
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	Hey siver_pilate I will be racing in penwell wich is a little crap town with a drag strip. If I am ever in plainview I will look you up, its always nice to talk to a fellow mustang guy. I checked out your site and u have one sweet stang. Thank you "RED 82 gt" for your input i will try to do the voltage thing this weekend.

04-28-2001, 05:40 PM	#16
Nitrous Al Registered Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Everett, MA Posts: 417	Go to a bank and get a loan and buy an intake and heads. Correction, rob the bank, buy the intake and heads and rip your brother a new one!