Do Mustangs Have What It Takes

[Unit 5302]

Actually, you working on the GM's all the time is actually proof they are junk compared to the Ford.

LOL.

[Unit 5302]

Oh, by the way ace2600, you won't be able to get any real Cobra in decent shape with that amount of money. The Cobra's are limited production collectors cars in a lot of cases, especially the 5.0 Cobras and the 1993 in particular.

The 1994-1995 GT's are identical, so I'd focus on getting either year. You should be able to find one with decent mileage 60k-80k for about $7000 comin up here real quick. With the additional $4000 you can put it into the 12's no problems. Possibly the 11's. If the price is 10k, make an offer of 7k and walk if they don't take it. They will NOT be able to move a Mustang GT off the lot during the winter in the snow states, and they are more than likely to take your offer just to get rid of it.

thank's UNIT5302 i won't say anything about that subject anymore ,but i guess you said it for us all , i don't want to p o anyone off anymore , i never meant to but , iv' e taken my flogging for the weekend i'm just here to chat about stang's thank's saw your packer's joke, good one ,oh hell reggie white just knocked on my front door, see ya. ,well maybe , i have to see what reggie's going to do!

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[fastang]

94-95's are nice cars and theyre only 200 lbs heavier than a fox. Theyre much more refined as well. With the right heads, cam, intake, and injectors you should be able to hit mid to high 12's on drag radials and maybe 11's with a 100 shot.

My car is almost done, I will post the results so you can compare if you like. But I've got a little more than 3 grand in mine. By the time you add up the Longtubes w cats and cat back exh, heads, intake, injectors, TB, MAF, and all the other bullshit your gonna need it gets EXPENSIVE. But its the same with all cars so theres no escaping it. Good luck.

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95GT, TFS T.W. heads, Holley Intake, B303 cam, FRPP 30lb injectors, Scorpion 1.6 rollers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, March Pulleys, MSD coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550 trans, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors. 190lph pump, BBK adj FPR.

[CAMARO GUY]

a little fact for ya:

1995 mustang gt runs 14.8-15.2
1995 camaro z28 runs 13.8-14.1

so you will have to make up a full second to a stock LT1.Throw some mods in the mix and who knows. I would start out with a faster year. most fox bodies are faster and cheaper to make fast. but if you go with the 95 you will have to do quite a bit of modding to even play with the stock f-bods

[ace2600]

Grrrrrrr, choices choices.

I have been reading everything I can on Mustangs for the past 3 months, but nothing on Camaros. I personally feel that the Mustangs look better, however looks dont matter when your kicking someones @$$. What is the best year to mod on a Camaro or Firebird for under 10 grand? How much does a 95 LT1 cost?
What to do, what to do.

-Ace

P.S. I am not one of the kids with those parents, the mods are coming from my pocket so if I work real hard maybe I could spend 4 grand. Thanks again.

[CAMARO GUY]

I got my 95z28 w/ 38k miles for 11K. As far as the best year for mods 94-95 because OBD1 pcm and the fact that it only has a single cat although 96-97 and some 95's had 2 cats and had 10 more hp if that matters to ya at all.

[Unit 5302]

We could sit and argue about what Camaros run and what Mustangs run all day.

Most 1/4 mile times I've seen on the LT1 is about 14.2-14.4. The mystical 13.8 cars exist somewhere I'm sure. There are mid 13 stock Fox bodies too, but back here in the real world of driving to pull even with a 1995 LT-1 it's gonna take gears, and thats about it. My car is a low 14 car and I eat LT-1's up like nobody's business. From a stop, from a roll, from a 60 punch, from an 80 punch. Until I shift into 4th gear on my 87GT I pull them. If they are high 13 low 14 cars I'd expect them to at least hang with me from a roll. I'm sure there are a few fast ones out there somewhere, I just haven't run into any of them yet, and I've beaten at least 10 or 15 of them.

If you have 4k left over for mods you will own almost anything on the road. 2k will get you deep into the 13's. 12's if you work hard on it.

[fastang]

Originally posted by CAMARO GUY:
a little fact for ya:

1995 mustang gt runs 14.8-15.2
1995 camaro z28 runs 13.8-14.1

so you will have to make up a full second to a stock LT1.Throw some mods in the mix and who knows. I would start out with a faster year. most fox bodies are faster and cheaper to make fast. but if you go with the 95 you will have to do quite a bit of modding to even play with the stock f-bods

Heres a little fact for ya:

My car (hardtop manual w 308's) hit a 14.6 without powershifting totaly stock, paper filter, and radials. Quick LT1's run 14.1 stock. Sure some hit 13's but then again some stock 99-01 GTs hit 13's too. Its not the norm. I was beating LT1's with only a chip, drop in filter and an off road H pipe.

I will however agree that the LT1's are faster stock and are the superior car stock, but I sure as hell didnt have to drop a full second to catch em.



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95GT, TFS T.W. heads, Holley Intake, B303 cam, FRPP 30lb injectors, Scorpion 1.6 rollers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, March Pulleys, MSD coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550 trans, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors. 190lph pump, BBK adj FPR.

[ace2600]

Well the last 2 post have made up my mind, a 94 or 95 Mustang GT is what I am going to get. Its wierd, over the past few months of learning about Mustangs and talking to owners (with tears in my eyes )I have come to feel like a Stang brother. Now all that is left is some money, blood, sweat, and more money to get my car to her goal!

-Ace

good choice , all i'm going to say is my00 has faced about 4 brand x's smoked them, not 6 banger's either, nough said .good luck.

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[PKRWUD]

If all you care about is having the fastest car, go buy a Vega and drop a 350 in it. Bone stock it will pull low 12's. A few bucks more and you're into the 11's, all for less money than a Mustang or an F-body.

Otherwise, bust your *** with your "business", buy a Mustang, and go get yourself a blow job. There's no replacement for displacement, even if it is achieved by compressing the intake charge.

Take care
~Chris

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[CAMARO GUY]

THIS GUY MAKES ME LAUGH LOL

Originally posted by mustang marty gt:
good choice , all i'm going to say is my00 has faced about 4 brand x's smoked them, not 6 banger's either, nough said .good luck.

sad , but true camaro boy, get on your chevy page . i got the proof , hell afreind of mine who own's a-z71 4 wheel drive chevy truck was ,with me in the car so you, make me laugh ha, ha, ha my rear bumper say's chevy view.he,he. FORD' RULE.SORRY 89 HE HAD IT COMING.bring it on .

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[fastang]

Ok Ok, calm down guys. No need for the never ending Camaro Vs Stang wars, I think we all know that LS1's are a lot faster than new GT's but anything can happen, hell Lizard King hit a 13.6 w a stock 00 GT, go figure. Its just not the norm but it can happen.

Ace, good luck. Just make sure you get a Hartop manual and throw a shitload of money at it

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95GT, TFS T.W. heads, Holley Intake, B303 cam, FRPP 30lb injectors, Scorpion 1.6 rollers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, March Pulleys, MSD coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550 trans, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors. 190lph pump, BBK adj FPR.

your right fastang but why is , a camaro guy even on here , should i go get on a chevy site? is he a wannabe stang guy or what? i mean i don't want any b,s, about this but you wont find me on corvette weekly, the guy made his up his mind to get a stang so that should have , been the end of it.maybe i will meet camaro on the highway one day, hell i ain't mad about it just told the fact's, about a few race's iv'e been in .no big deal i like running the tojo car's better anyway , more competition oh well see ya man.oh yeah didn't UNIT5302 not say he has smoked 10 or 15 brand x , i have only ran 4 & beat them & the feared ta was another victim . have a good one.

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[FordFasteR]

I hang out with F-body drivers all the time,
the LS1 is a car to watch out for, a good driver, in a 6 speed with a cat-back and a K&N filter should easily run 13.2 or faster on street tires.


if he's a REALLY good driver, 12's are attainable with little bolt-ons.

so if you want to beat these cars, you'll have to make over 300 rwhp.

to get that kind of power, you'll need no less than:

1. aftermarket heads with 2.02 intake valves (ported if possible)
2. high flow intake manifold that can rev to 6000 rpm, that means a performer RPM upper/lower intake with a matching Throttle body and Air Flow Meter.
3. a cam with no less than 498 lift and 220 duration or somewhere in that area.
4. you'll need to have some gearing help with the launch... 3.73's would be a good place to start, and 4.10's would be really REALLY good but it'll make the car a pain in the arse to drive on the highway and mileage will suffer.
5. no less than a 190lph in-tank fuel pump,and possibly 24lb injectors with the flow meter matched to work with them.


at this point, with a full weight car..you should be well into the low 13's or high 12's with a 5 speed car and a clutch that doesnt slip with that kind of power. you may already be looking at a king cobra clutch or better.

you can get this car, and 2 drivers, on driver might barely get into the 13's with it, another driver could run a high 12 on motor.

drivers win races.

[dashapht]

I have that combo, and now my stock clutch is slipping on ET streets =[

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93 Reef Blue Notchback, 74k miles (August 2001), TFS TW Heads, TFS Stage 1 Cam, TFS Track Heat Intake, 1.6 RR's, 70mm TB, Cold Air ,76mm MAF Meter, 24lb injectors, 255lph in-tank, AFPR, Edelbrock Water Pump, Be Cool Radiator, Mac 1 5/8" Long Tube Headers, 2.5" Pro Chamber, Flowmaster 2 CH 2.5" Cat Back, 3.73 , Alum Driveshaft, Auburn Differential, 17x9 Cobra Rs with Nitto 555s, Tri-Ax Shifter.
Got to make a pass finally! 8.44 @ 85mph on regular radials.
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[CAMARO GUY]

Originally posted by mustang marty gt:
your right fastang but why is , a camaro guy even on here , should i go get on a chevy site? is he a wannabe stang guy or what? i mean i don't want any b,s, about this but you wont find me on corvette weekly, the guy made his up his mind to get a stang so that should have , been the end of it.maybe i will meet camaro on the highway one day, hell i ain't mad about it just told the fact's, about a few race's iv'e been in .no big deal i like running the tojo car's better anyway , more competition oh well see ya man.oh yeah didn't UNIT5302 not say he has smoked 10 or 15 brand x , i have only ran 4 & beat them & the feared ta was another victim . have a good one.

marty what is your problem? it sounds like you have some issues. the reason why I am here is simple. I like cars, yup thats right even mustangs I don't care about brand. who cares what people drive I just happen to drive a chevy or brand x as you would say.
so go ahead and continue to be a dick if you want. I sure as hell hope others on this board are cooler than you.

[Unit 5302]

Yes, yes. The LS-1 is a monster. They are unbeatable from a roll. Well, my sorry 87GT has 3 LS1's under it's belt. Well 2 real races, 1 chase.

Again, it would seem to be a case of the mystical "fast" GM. From the reports, most of the track savy have come back with put the LS1's in the high 13 zone with an average driver. Some are even into the low 14 zone until they figure out how to launch them.

Mr 5.0 has posted about a bone stock 87LX that he watched his friend beat to a 13.8 at a local drag strip. Great drivers exist, but let's come back to reality. As much as we all want to believe we're that good, chances are we're nowhere near that. The LS1 community reminds me a lot of the ricer community in the way they post the performance of the cars. The very fastest performance humanly possible, stock (meaning minor bolt ons and tuneing to them). When times are given here in Mustangland, it's average performance with a good driver. I don't tell people their Fox 5.0 is a 14 flat or high 13 second car stock. That's simply because there is a 99.9% chance they'll never be able to drive it to the limits well enough to get that time. So when the general rule is applied to the Mustang's performance, and the GM guys come along talking about low 13's high 12's stock on paper it looks impossible for a Mustang to beat one.

As far as needing 300rwhp to run high 12's in a Mustang LOL!!!! Where have you been? In a fox 250hp can put you into the 12's. 300rwhp can easily put a Mustang into the low/mid 12's. You're talking about 360hp at the crank. My car has the capability to run mid 13's and trap 102. I know it does, just not with this gearing, and I'm making maybe 215rwhp. The SN95's require about 15-20 more rwhp than a Fox does to do the same, but you can't compare a Mustang to an F body hp to hp because the Mustang has a 200-400lb weight advantage.

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