2000GT Convert can it hang with me?? - Page 3

sedanman · 04-10-2001, 12:02 PM

I think mad horse will pull it off those speed density LX's run pretty strong. I saw a auto hard top go 15.2 the other night at the track and motor trend got a 14.6 out of a convt. I would say you should be a 14.0-14.2 car if you are a good driver I say that you should take the win. Also he probably won't be to familiar with the car only complicating thangs for him.

Vote: Mad Horse

Unit 5302 · 04-10-2001, 03:09 PM

The 88 is gonna stomp the vert.

1 car by the end of 1st, 2.5 by second, 3.5 by the end of 3rd.

An 88 5spd hardtop should rip off a 14.4 off the showroom floor with a solid driver.

The new 4.6L will never catch that SD Fox. Not until upwards of 130mph anyway.

I can't believe this is even a question?

Hahaha, the 88 has the '01 by 400, nearly the same hp, more torque for the 88 (with the mods) significantly better torque multiplication. I'm not seeing where the '01 has a chance??

Damn this new 4.6L ego **** .

I'll put $10 on the 88 for sure.

Lizard King · 04-10-2001, 05:17 PM

Unit????

What??? 14.4 off the showroom??? 3.5 cars by the of 3rd??? WOOOOO Charly.

Please..., come on. Do you think this 88 stang is running low 13s?

I can certify that the 2000GT Convertable will run 14.2-14.3 off the showroom floor.

4.6L EGO??? You just tooooo funny!

Also Andus 2001 and 2000 are identical power... It's the same car with more appearance.

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Lizard King, Bone Stock; 13.69 at 101MPH
• Extreme Burnout
•2000GT VS LS1
• Quartermile run
•2000GT vs LX Stang

dinomite · 04-10-2001, 08:09 PM

I'm with unit on the 5L winning, but not as optomistic as he. One of you '4.6 ego' guys needs to bet against him now.......

Lizard King · 04-10-2001, 10:53 PM

Just talked to a guy driving a Integra tonight... he said and witnesses confirmed that he killed to Mustangs 89GT with his 15 second car???

I'd like to put money, but I won't...

1. I'm not driving the 2000GT and I don't about the driver's skills.
2. I will not be there to witness this race.
3. I think it will be to close to call...

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Lizard King, Bone Stock; 13.69 at 101MPH
• Extreme Burnout
•2000GT VS LS1
• Quartermile run
•2000GT vs LX Stang

Mad Horse · 04-10-2001, 11:34 PM

That is great??? I don't see what an Integra beating 2 89GT has to do with an 88GT racing a 2001GT. Another important fact is that the 89GT is Mass air and a stock 87 or 88 Speed Density 5.0 will beat any 89-93 Mass Air Stang in "stock form". Were the 89GT's stock or modded?? I'm not exactly modded myself but I'm not stock either.

Either way we won't know the outcome till he gets the car and hopefully agrees to race me. If he doesn't want to run his new Stang I guess I'll have to find someone with one that will run me so we can settle this once and for all.

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88GT 5-speed
Mods: Cervinis Ram air hood 3.73 gears, King Cobra clutch, Pro 5.0, March alum. Pullies, DynoMax Cat-back, K&N, 9mm plug wires, PS91 coil, Accel Cap/Rotor, 190lph Fuel pump, 16" Ponies.
"Nip it in the Bud"
My Webpage

Try Me · 04-11-2001, 08:07 AM

If he doens't race you?
Does anyone on this board not or know anyone WHO OWNS A MUSTANG AND DOESN'T RACE IT???

Rocket 99GT · 04-11-2001, 08:37 AM

2001 GT wins by a nose.
.........................................99GT…rear sway bar (adjustable), rear lower control arm, traction bars, tokiko struts illumina 5 position, tokiko shocks, strut tower brace, caster camber plates, racing lower springs, 3:73, underdrive pulleys, Michelin “pilot XGT-Z4. NOW I WILL ADD POWER.

302 LX Eric · 04-11-2001, 09:07 AM

Folks, this is what drag racing is all about! This is GREAT!!! Now let's get some more opinions on this and then GO RACE!!! BTW, when is the race scheduled?

Ok, here is my best guess...

The trusty old 5.0L, and here is why:

1) Ligther
2) Speed density (always a tad faster than MAF)
3) A few mods (most notably the 3.73's)
4) Appears to be in good condition and low miles
5) The vert. is heavier than a regular 2000 GT
6) I betting that Mad Horse can drive his Stang like he stole it!

Good luck, Mad Horse!
E

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1991 5.0 LX Coupe - 38,000 miles

13.17 @ 106.14 mph w/ 2.138 60'

[This message has been edited by 302 LX Eric (edited 04-11-2001).]

Fox Body · 04-11-2001, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 302 LX Eric:
Folks, this is what drag racing is all about! This is GREAT!!! Now let's get some more opinions on this and then GO RACE!!!

I totally agree with you there Eric. Although, I doubt it will work out so cleanly: guy buys 2001 GT in a week or 2 and then races Mad Horse from a line. Doesn't seem like it'll be any time soon. But still, it's a good discussion and I would love to see the outcome.

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'79 Mustang Coup w/ 4" Cowl
Stock 5.8L, C4 w/ shift kit
Holley 750 CFM, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake
1 5/8" MAC shorty headers, Al driveshaft
2.5" Off road H-pipe, 2-chamber Flowmasters
Front: 225/60/15, Rear: 255/60/15 Eagle GT II
Weld wheels (15x6;15x8), 8.8" Rear end w/ 3.55 gears
14 x 4" K&N air filter (getting the Xtreme setup soon)

"Red, thou art my companion. Hasten now your quickened metamorphosis to Green that I may conquer all who dare abide there beside me. May they be left thither behind burnt black." ---Fox
Body

Lizard King · 04-11-2001, 11:13 AM

Ok so, I need to be educated on these Notch/LX/GT/5.0/351 Stangs... Can some one give HP and stock ET for these cars as well as year ranges?

88 and under GT stangs have MAF system and they are faster? How fast stock?

89-93 GT are slower?

5.0 liter SN95 stang is that the same as 89-93?

fastang · 04-11-2001, 12:16 PM

The speed density stangs were a tenth or so quicker but harder to accept big mods such as a cam or heads. They have gone 13's with just a set of gears. The mass air stangs are a tad slower stock but accept modification much better.

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95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, 355's K&N, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors

Unit 5302 · 04-11-2001, 09:31 PM

Okay, Unit 5302's Fox body education class is now in session.

The 1987-1988 non CA car's were equipped with S/D. The speed density systems are tuned a little rich right from the factory, and with minor tweeking (fuel pressure) most accept mild cam's, heads, and intakes without problems. From the factory the SD cars run about 2 tenths quicker in bone stock form. A 5spd 1987-1988 LX Hatch will weigh anywhere from 3050-3100 lbs. Rated at 225hp@4200/300tq@3600. I'd expect a stock SD 5.0 5spd to dyno at around 190whp, which would indicate a couple more ponies than 225 under the hood. More like 230hp. Anyway, I'd expect a bone *** totally stock 1987-1988 non CA 5.0 5spd LX Hatch to run between 13.9-14.4, depending on rear gears, (2.73's vs 3.08's) driver skill (assuming good to awesome) and the racetrack.

Make no mistake Lizard, a well driven and tuned SD Fox 5.0 will give your 99GT a run for it's money stock for stock, and the SD car will pick up more hp mod for mod (small stuff vs an MAF car just cause it's tuned too rich). If this 88LX Hatch is driven to it's potential I'd expect it to be in the mid/high 13sec range.

I just got a GTech today, (wet out now), I'll run my car and we'll find out what I've got with 145k on the motor. I've beaten LS1 verts, LT-1's soundly, and an Integra Type R running 3rd gear from a 50 punch when I could have used 2nd. When he came back for more, I did use 2nd and he was annihilated.

If a non AOD 1988CA-1993 5.0 hardtop ran anything worse than a high 14 I'd be shocked at the driver being skilled. Well, if it wasn't all clapped out and running on 7.

Hehe.

As for your mighty new 4.6GT, if you were down here, I'd already be on the phone yelling "Bring it on! I'll let you see my old beat up SD Fox's taillights for free!"

Lizard King · 04-11-2001, 11:00 PM

Unit, I'd be right out there waiting for you... I'm suprised though, are you saying that the all mighty Unit has never gotten an official track time for his car???

Now how do you differentiat an 87-88 to the 89-93 Stangs?

And also, the reason I was sceptical about these times is every time I've raced a 5.0, there was always some mods done up ... anything from GT40 intake, to gears, and I've always been succesful,... except for one mean Cobra that ran high 12s with a naturally aspirated motor and no Nitrous and another one that had a well done 351.

Didn't notice your bet Unit...

Mercury · 04-12-2001, 02:18 AM

Unit

I dont have a 4.6 ego, I own Mustangs that have the Modular, and the grand daddy 289 pushrod.

I love Fox body stangs as if I owned one, but I have never seen or heard of a stock fox body LX or GT run in the high 13's or low low 14's. Hell, for that matter, I've seen tricked out 5.0's with 3:73's (manual tranny cars) do no better than high 13's.

Thats kinda like the claim by the GM guys, that there show room stock Z28 can run high 12's

And Lighter, isnt always better. For example, my old Stang. Its lighter than all the above, its more powerfull than all the above, has awesome wieght transfer charectoristics, but with no traction, a Dodge Caravan could beat me in a race.

One Funny thing about people driving the new GT's make the cars look bad because I noticed MOST of them are afraid to take the engine to it peak power engine speeds. They shift at 5000 when the car peaks out at 5850, and optimum shift point is like 6100.

I dont think either is going to walk away from one another, I think it will be pretty darn close, depending on how well the guy with the 2001 drives.

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64 1/2 Red Mustang Coupe. 289, C4, 3:1 rear gear. Mallory duel point. Ported & Polished 65 heads shaved .01 with 351 windsor valves, high side of 10.5:1 comp, 1.7:1 sled rockers, blue wolverine lumpy cam, autolite 4100 Hipo 4 barrel. And to many others to list

2000 Perf Red Mustang GT. 5spd.

64 1/2 red 6cyl coupe. Auto. project car.

04-12-2001, 08:45 AM

Lizard King:

Here is what I ran on Kelly Charger street tires, with pullies, exhaust and 3.73 gears:

14.12 ET
98.90 mph
2.205 60ft

This was at Milan Dragway, in 90* heat. The track was slimy at best.

Before the gear:

14.27

Can't find the timeslip, but 60ft was real bad.

BTW, the older fox 5.0 will be victorious. The added weight of the convert, and new driver/car combo, the 5.0 can't be touched.

[This message has been edited by 88GT5.013.02 (edited 04-13-2001).]

Rocket 99GT · 04-12-2001, 01:11 PM

"UNIT" If I were in the same town as you, I would love to "spank" your car's rear end before I smoke pass by.
............................................99GT…
rear sway bar (adjustable)
rear lower control arm
traction bars,
tokiko struts illumina 5 position,
tokiko shocks,
caster camber plates
racing lower springs
3:73
strut tower brace
underdrive pulleys
Michelin “pilot XGT-Z4.

fastang · 04-12-2001, 01:43 PM

Its gettin UGLY in here!

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95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, 355's K&N, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors

Rocket 99GT · 04-13-2001, 10:15 AM

"FASTANG" just having some fun with "UNIT5302"
..........
99GT…
rear sway bar (adjustable)
rear lower control arm
traction bars,
tokiko struts illumina 5 position,
tokiko shocks,
caster camber plates
racing lower springs
3:73
strut tower brace
underdrive pulleys
Michelin “pilot XGT-Z4. NOW I WILL ADD POWER.

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04-10-2001, 12:02 PM	#41
sedanman Registered Member Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 963	I think mad horse will pull it off those speed density LX's run pretty strong. I saw a auto hard top go 15.2 the other night at the track and motor trend got a 14.6 out of a convt. I would say you should be a 14.0-14.2 car if you are a good driver I say that you should take the win. Also he probably won't be to familiar with the car only complicating thangs for him. Vote: Mad Horse

04-10-2001, 03:09 PM	#42
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	The 88 is gonna stomp the vert. 1 car by the end of 1st, 2.5 by second, 3.5 by the end of 3rd. An 88 5spd hardtop should rip off a 14.4 off the showroom floor with a solid driver. The new 4.6L will never catch that SD Fox. Not until upwards of 130mph anyway. I can't believe this is even a question? Hahaha, the 88 has the '01 by *400, nearly the same hp, more torque for the 88 (with the mods) significantly better torque multiplication. I'm not seeing where the '01 has a chance?? Damn this new 4.6L ego *** . I'll put $10 on the 88 for sure.

04-10-2001, 05:17 PM	#43
Lizard King midnightruns.com Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 584	Unit???? What??? 14.4 off the showroom??? 3.5 cars by the of 3rd??? WOOOOO Charly. Please..., come on. Do you think this 88 stang is running low 13s? I can certify that the 2000GT Convertable will run 14.2-14.3 off the showroom floor. 4.6L EGO??? You just tooooo funny! Also Andus 2001 and 2000 are identical power... It's the same car with more appearance. ------------------ Lizard King, Bone Stock; 13.69 at 101MPH • Extreme Burnout •2000GT VS LS1 • Quartermile run •2000GT vs LX Stang

04-10-2001, 08:09 PM	#44
dinomite The Dude Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 1,262	I'm with unit on the 5L winning, but not as optomistic as he. One of you '4.6 ego' guys needs to bet against him now.......

04-10-2001, 10:53 PM	#45
Lizard King midnightruns.com Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 584	Just talked to a guy driving a Integra tonight... he said and witnesses confirmed that he killed to Mustangs 89GT with his 15 second car??? I'd like to put money, but I won't... 1. I'm not driving the 2000GT and I don't about the driver's skills. 2. I will not be there to witness this race. 3. I think it will be to close to call... ------------------ Lizard King, Bone Stock; 13.69 at 101MPH • Extreme Burnout •2000GT VS LS1 • Quartermile run •2000GT vs LX Stang

04-10-2001, 11:34 PM	#46
Mad Horse Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Dayton, OH., United States Posts: 467	That is great??? I don't see what an Integra beating 2 89GT has to do with an 88GT racing a 2001GT. Another important fact is that the 89GT is Mass air and a stock 87 or 88 Speed Density 5.0 will beat any 89-93 Mass Air Stang in "stock form". Were the 89GT's stock or modded?? I'm not exactly modded myself but I'm not stock either. Either way we won't know the outcome till he gets the car and hopefully agrees to race me. If he doesn't want to run his new Stang I guess I'll have to find someone with one that will run me so we can settle this once and for all. ------------------ 88GT 5-speed Mods: Cervinis Ram air hood 3.73 gears, King Cobra clutch, Pro 5.0, March alum. Pullies, DynoMax Cat-back, K&N, 9mm plug wires, PS91 coil, Accel Cap/Rotor, 190lph Fuel pump, 16" Ponies. "Nip it in the Bud" My Webpage

04-11-2001, 08:07 AM	#47
Try Me Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 465	If he doens't race you? Does anyone on this board not or know anyone WHO OWNS A MUSTANG AND DOESN'T RACE IT???

04-11-2001, 08:37 AM	#48
Rocket 99GT Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: gaithersburg md, 20879 usa Posts: 120	2001 GT wins by a nose. .........................................99GT…rear sway bar (adjustable), rear lower control arm, traction bars, tokiko struts illumina 5 position, tokiko shocks, strut tower brace, caster camber plates, racing lower springs, 3:73, underdrive pulleys, Michelin “pilot XGT-Z4. NOW I WILL ADD POWER.

04-11-2001, 09:07 AM	#49
302 LX Eric or '331 LX Eric' Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 2,142	Folks, this is what drag racing is all about! This is GREAT!!! Now let's get some more opinions on this and then GO RACE!!! BTW, when is the race scheduled? Ok, here is my best guess... The trusty old 5.0L, and here is why: 1) Ligther 2) Speed density (always a tad faster than MAF) 3) A few mods (most notably the 3.73's) 4) Appears to be in good condition and low miles 5) The vert. is heavier than a regular 2000 GT 6) I betting that Mad Horse can drive his Stang like he stole it! Good luck, Mad Horse! E ------------------ 1991 5.0 LX Coupe - 38,000 miles 13.17 @ 106.14 mph w/ 2.138 60' [This message has been edited by 302 LX Eric (edited 04-11-2001).]

04-11-2001, 11:13 AM	#51
Lizard King midnightruns.com Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 584	Ok so, I need to be educated on these Notch/LX/GT/5.0/351 Stangs... Can some one give HP and stock ET for these cars as well as year ranges? 88 and under GT stangs have MAF system and they are faster? How fast stock? 89-93 GT are slower? 5.0 liter SN95 stang is that the same as 89-93?

04-11-2001, 12:16 PM	#52
fastang Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: santa ana ca Posts: 1,349	The speed density stangs were a tenth or so quicker but harder to accept big mods such as a cam or heads. They have gone 13's with just a set of gears. The mass air stangs are a tad slower stock but accept modification much better. ------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, 355's K&N, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors

04-11-2001, 09:31 PM	#53
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	Okay, Unit 5302's Fox body education class is now in session. The 1987-1988 non CA car's were equipped with S/D. The speed density systems are tuned a little rich right from the factory, and with minor tweeking (fuel pressure) most accept mild cam's, heads, and intakes without problems. From the factory the SD cars run about 2 tenths quicker in bone stock form. A 5spd 1987-1988 LX Hatch will weigh anywhere from 3050-3100 lbs. Rated at 225hp@4200/300tq@3600. I'd expect a stock SD 5.0 5spd to dyno at around 190whp, which would indicate a couple more ponies than 225 under the hood. More like 230hp. Anyway, I'd expect a bone *** totally stock 1987-1988 non CA 5.0 5spd LX Hatch to run between 13.9-14.4, depending on rear gears, (2.73's vs 3.08's) driver skill (assuming good to awesome) and the racetrack. Make no mistake Lizard, a well driven and tuned SD Fox 5.0 will give your 99GT a run for it's money stock for stock, and the SD car will pick up more hp mod for mod (small stuff vs an MAF car just cause it's tuned too rich). If this 88LX Hatch is driven to it's potential I'd expect it to be in the mid/high 13sec range. I just got a GTech today, (wet out now), I'll run my car and we'll find out what I've got with 145k on the motor. I've beaten LS1 verts, LT-1's soundly, and an Integra Type R running 3rd gear from a 50 punch when I could have used 2nd. When he came back for more, I did use 2nd and he was annihilated. If a non AOD 1988CA-1993 5.0 hardtop ran anything worse than a high 14 I'd be shocked at the driver being skilled. Well, if it wasn't all clapped out and running on 7. Hehe. As for your mighty new 4.6GT, if you were down here, I'd already be on the phone yelling "Bring it on! I'll let you see my old beat up SD Fox's taillights for free!"

04-11-2001, 11:00 PM	#54
Lizard King midnightruns.com Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 584	Unit, I'd be right out there waiting for you... I'm suprised though, are you saying that the all mighty Unit has never gotten an official track time for his car??? Now how do you differentiat an 87-88 to the 89-93 Stangs? And also, the reason I was sceptical about these times is every time I've raced a 5.0, there was always some mods done up ... anything from GT40 intake, to gears, and I've always been succesful,... except for one mean Cobra that ran high 12s with a naturally aspirated motor and no Nitrous and another one that had a well done 351. Didn't notice your bet Unit...

04-12-2001, 02:18 AM	#55
Mercury The Redneck James Bond Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Fayetteville NC Posts: 1,707	Unit I dont have a 4.6 ego, I own Mustangs that have the Modular, and the grand daddy 289 pushrod. I love Fox body stangs as if I owned one, but I have never seen or heard of a stock fox body LX or GT run in the high 13's or low low 14's. Hell, for that matter, I've seen tricked out 5.0's with 3:73's (manual tranny cars) do no better than high 13's. Thats kinda like the claim by the GM guys, that there show room stock Z28 can run high 12's And Lighter, isnt always better. For example, my old Stang. Its lighter than all the above, its more powerfull than all the above, has awesome wieght transfer charectoristics, but with no traction, a Dodge Caravan could beat me in a race. One Funny thing about people driving the new GT's make the cars look bad because I noticed MOST of them are afraid to take the engine to it peak power engine speeds. They shift at 5000 when the car peaks out at 5850, and optimum shift point is like 6100. I dont think either is going to walk away from one another, I think it will be pretty darn close, depending on how well the guy with the 2001 drives. ------------------ 64 1/2 Red Mustang Coupe. 289, C4, 3:1 rear gear. Mallory duel point. Ported & Polished 65 heads shaved .01 with 351 windsor valves, high side of 10.5:1 comp, 1.7:1 sled rockers, blue wolverine lumpy cam, autolite 4100 Hipo 4 barrel. And to many others to list 2000 Perf Red Mustang GT. 5spd. 64 1/2 red 6cyl coupe. Auto. project car.

04-12-2001, 08:45 AM	#56
88GT5.013.02 Guest Posts: n/a	Lizard King: Here is what I ran on Kelly Charger street tires, with pullies, exhaust and 3.73 gears: 14.12 ET 98.90 mph 2.205 60ft This was at Milan Dragway, in 90* heat. The track was slimy at best. Before the gear: 14.27 Can't find the timeslip, but 60ft was real bad. BTW, the older fox 5.0 will be victorious. The added weight of the convert, and new driver/car combo, the 5.0 can't be touched. [This message has been edited by 88GT5.013.02 (edited 04-13-2001).]

04-12-2001, 01:11 PM	#57
Rocket 99GT Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: gaithersburg md, 20879 usa Posts: 120	"UNIT" If I were in the same town as you, I would love to "spank" your car's rear end before I smoke pass by. ............................................99GT… rear sway bar (adjustable) rear lower control arm traction bars, tokiko struts illumina 5 position, tokiko shocks, caster camber plates racing lower springs 3:73 strut tower brace underdrive pulleys Michelin “pilot XGT-Z4.

04-12-2001, 01:43 PM	#58
fastang Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: santa ana ca Posts: 1,349	Its gettin UGLY in here! ------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, 355's K&N, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors

04-13-2001, 10:15 AM	#59
Rocket 99GT Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: gaithersburg md, 20879 usa Posts: 120	"FASTANG" just having some fun with "UNIT5302" .......... 99GT… rear sway bar (adjustable) rear lower control arm traction bars, tokiko struts illumina 5 position, tokiko shocks, caster camber plates racing lower springs 3:73 strut tower brace underdrive pulleys Michelin “pilot XGT-Z4. NOW I WILL ADD POWER. ...................................