Yamaha 750 - Page 2

Lizard King · 01-21-2001, 10:11 PM

To believe or not believe... hmmm, your story may be completly true. I'm thinking the bike had a passenger, maybe he did not want to go all out.

I'm saying this and I'm not familiar with your E.T.s, but unless your runing in the 11s, I doubt you can stick with a 750 sportsbike...

Math again 100HP+, 400lbs... your car would need at least 750HP to keep up if it ways 3000lbs.

Does my math make sense? I'm not sure if you can divide HP to weight ratio like I did.

All I know is a 750 will run in the 11s, unless it has problems.

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01-21-2001, 10:22 PM

Wait just a damn minute. Check my mods before you go flaming!!

Lizard King · 01-21-2001, 10:29 PM

Never mind the mods. What is your E.T. as you stand?

I beleive your story... but do you think the bike was givin' you an all out ride (with a passenger)?

'Baby, Light my fire...' - The Doors

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Lizard King - 00GT

>> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock.

"I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors

01-21-2001, 10:48 PM

He didn't have a passenger! I went to cycleworld and they had no problem believing I beat a 750 yzf from a roll. That bike had 108 hp, from what I was told. My car weighed 3500# without me when I last had it weighed, before the new motor. I had a VMax and that thing weight almost 600#, so I don't believe that 750 weighed 400# with his heavy *** on it. Yes I can do math, I went to school for an engineering degree so I think I can do simple math!

Whether he could give the bike its all I don't know. I slowed down to 30 mph to give him of his friends a chance to redeem themselves and all I got was a wave.

Lizard King · 01-21-2001, 11:05 PM

Your E.T.??? 1/4 mile time...???

Lizard King · 01-21-2001, 11:18 PM

BTW, my father in law has a 1300 Hyabusa (fastest production bike or even vehicle on the planet)

It ways 476lbs. That things hit 100MPH in 4 seconds flat.

The R1 (1000cc) ways 380lbs, 4.5 seconds to 100.

And even at 600lbs... the 750s is within 1/6 HP to LBs ratio.

Does your car have over 500hps? I stand corrected if does.

CHECK THIS OUT: http://acura.jynx.net/movies/cbr1100.asf

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Lizard King - 00GT

>> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock.

"I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors

01-21-2001, 11:26 PM

As I said before, I haven't had my car to the track yet. We are estimating it to be around 470hp. Whether you believe me or not makes no difference(as stated before). I expected some skeptics but not a flaming lizard king..

Lizard King · 01-21-2001, 11:31 PM

Allright, that's it, i'm dropping my hockey gloves... hehehe.

Flames or not, I'm glad you swipped him. Dude, you drive a stang.

I always go for the home team.

Did you check out the video. If yes, isn't that crazy??? He hit 160KM (100MPH) in 4 seconds... look at it and time it.

COMPLETELY FUBAR.

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Lizard King - 00GT

>> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock.

"I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors

Lizard King · 01-21-2001, 11:43 PM

Look at the little dude... it's flamin'

hehehe...

You guys should take a look here:
http://www.trainboard.com/smiles/

Lizard King · 01-21-2001, 11:53 PM

Like I said FLAMING;

[img]http://www.trainboard.com/smiles/058.gif

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Lizard King

- 00GT

>> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock.

"I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors

Lizard King · 01-21-2001, 11:55 PM

Little critters; last try.

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Lizard King

- 00GT

>> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock.

"I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors

BurninBurt · 01-22-2001, 12:14 AM

Hey, it's me from right up the road...where did you race this dude at? That would have been some **** down, say...south college...or market st!

Beef · 01-22-2001, 08:32 PM

Bikes are not the unbeatable machines some of you make them out to be.

It takes a good rider to get most new 600s in the 11s or faster. They are very touchy!! Launch RPM and shift points have to be right on. Older 750s are pretty much.. well dogs... hell my old 95 ZX9R "only" ran a low 11 with me on it. From the factory its listed as a 10.80 bike(with Rickey Gadson riding). and the older 900RRs are slower than that I believe...

I dont see a reason to doubt his story. What his old ET was is phucing pointless cause the car is different now.

Unit 5302 · 01-22-2001, 09:41 PM

It would appear that some of the self proclaimed bike experts here know very little about them in the real world.

No early or mid 90's 600 has even close to 100hp. They all dyno in at about 65hp. The 750's crank out a few more, like mid 70's. Not 120. The 900RR currently made doesn't even crank out 120rwhp. The new 600's do not dyno at over 100rwhp. They dyno in the mid 90's. So please, if you want some respect, and you want to be able to prove your point, know what you're talking about before you start jabbering. I see somebody brought the Hayabusa into the argument. Come on, do you really think the very lightweight for it's size, 1300cc, 150hp, ultra modern king of the sportbikes has jack **** in common with the run of the mill early's 90's 750? Let's be real. That's like comparing the a new '01 Mustang Cobra to a 1977 Mustang Cobra II V-6.

I have raced my buddies '93 FZR 600, I had him by about 1/2 a car from 20-80. I've raced a CBR 600 F2, again I beat him, and that was with my old car from a 40 punch. It was a stock '88GT.

I don't doubt rbatson's claims for a second.

Unit 5302 · 01-23-2001, 01:09 AM

I just double checked with my friend, who owns and operates Tech One Motorsports, a full service bike shop, including machining and dyno tuning here in MN, he said some of the older 750's could put out over 100hp, but rarely. The 1998 ZX-7 that we were looking at in the shop dyno'd at 114hp.

Baseline for the R6's he and I have seen, about 96hp, he put in a jet kit for a real serious amature, it picked up to 98hp, but it the graph got way smoother (for some reason it had a couple dead spots). He said if any bike had the chance to hit over 100hp in the 600 class he'd bet on the R6.

inferno · 01-24-2001, 04:48 AM

Hmm...CBR 600F4 is making more than 100 to the wheels....so is the ZX-6, so is the GSX-R600....CBR929 is making almost 150 to the wheels....older bikes are dogs, but newer bikes are not. The GSX-R600 runs in the 10's and the other two 600cc bikes run in the low 11's(the new F4i might be faster). Now we all know driver skill is a factor, but even still, these bikes should still run high 11's or low 12's with an average to poor rider. Most street driven cars can't touch these bikes on street tires.

jonnyk · 01-24-2001, 09:36 AM

Keep in mind that ET is largely a function of the launch, and from a roll that all changes. Bikes hook hard off the line, even on street tires, so from a stop that would change the picture. How much horsepower/weight you have is much more important once the tires are hooking, and that's relative to trap speed. And I don't think a 750 is all that much faster than a 600, if at all. I don't see any reason to doubt rbatson either.

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Unit 5302 · 01-24-2001, 09:13 PM

That's interesting Inferno

I guess the 600's that I've physically assisted in being dynoed must have been a figment of my imagination?

The F4 is the weakest of the 600's. At the rear wheel, you'd be lucky to see it dyno at 95.

Or maybe my friend and the previous owner who sponser drag bikes in the area and who have tested everything from Ducati 916's to Yamaha V-Max's to modified all aluminum NOS equipped 350ci V-8 Boss Hoss' to 504ci big block Boss Hoss bikes are mearly figments of my imagination?

Tell me something. Do you own your own bike shop? How about your own bike dyno? Or maybe you've physically dyno'd bikes before? Maybe you've seen the bike's being dyno'd?

No? Then shut the hell up because you don't have a leg to stand on.

Unit 5302 · 01-24-2001, 10:07 PM

Oh, I will agree with the new 600's being 10 second machines, and way outclassing all but a very few cars in the world for street performance.

Even the first year Hayabusa that Tech One owned and raced didn't dyno over 156rwhp, with some minor tweeking.

inferno · 01-25-2001, 02:50 AM

Hey Unit, I have seen F4's dyno over 100 stock. I also agree with it being the weakest of the the 600 bikes(but it still won the championship for 2000!!!!!

). I haven't seen a dyno of the new F4i, but I am planning on going to check them out. I don't know if you have heard of Chaparral Motorsports, but they are less than 10 minutes away from my house.

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Lizard King midnightruns.com Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 584	To believe or not believe... hmmm, your story may be completly true. I'm thinking the bike had a passenger, maybe he did not want to go all out. I'm saying this and I'm not familiar with your E.T.s, but unless your runing in the 11s, I doubt you can stick with a 750 sportsbike... Math again 100HP+, 400lbs... your car would need at least 750HP to keep up if it ways 3000lbs. Does my math make sense? I'm not sure if you can divide HP to weight ratio like I did. All I know is a 750 will run in the 11s, unless it has problems. ------------------ Lizard King - 00GT >> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock. "I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors

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rbatson Guest Posts: n/a	Wait just a damn minute. Check my mods before you go flaming!!

01-21-2001, 10:29 PM	#23
Lizard King midnightruns.com Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 584	Never mind the mods. What is your E.T. as you stand? I beleive your story... but do you think the bike was givin' you an all out ride (with a passenger)? 'Baby, Light my fire...' - The Doors ------------------ Lizard King - 00GT >> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock. "I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors

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rbatson Guest Posts: n/a	He didn't have a passenger! I went to cycleworld and they had no problem believing I beat a 750 yzf from a roll. That bike had 108 hp, from what I was told. My car weighed 3500# without me when I last had it weighed, before the new motor. I had a VMax and that thing weight almost 600#, so I don't believe that 750 weighed 400# with his heavy *** on it. Yes I can do math, I went to school for an engineering degree so I think I can do simple math! Whether he could give the bike its all I don't know. I slowed down to 30 mph to give him of his friends a chance to redeem themselves and all I got was a wave.

01-21-2001, 11:05 PM	#25
Lizard King midnightruns.com Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 584	Your E.T.??? 1/4 mile time...???

01-21-2001, 11:18 PM	#26
Lizard King midnightruns.com Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 584	BTW, my father in law has a 1300 Hyabusa (fastest production bike or even vehicle on the planet) It ways 476lbs. That things hit 100MPH in 4 seconds flat. The R1 (1000cc) ways 380lbs, 4.5 seconds to 100. And even at 600lbs... the 750s is within 1/6 HP to LBs ratio. Does your car have over 500hps? I stand corrected if does. CHECK THIS OUT: http://acura.jynx.net/movies/cbr1100.asf ------------------ Lizard King - 00GT >> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock. "I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors

01-21-2001, 11:26 PM	#27
rbatson Guest Posts: n/a	As I said before, I haven't had my car to the track yet. We are estimating it to be around 470hp. Whether you believe me or not makes no difference(as stated before). I expected some skeptics but not a flaming lizard king..

01-21-2001, 11:31 PM	#28
Lizard King midnightruns.com Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 584	Allright, that's it, i'm dropping my hockey gloves... hehehe. Flames or not, I'm glad you swipped him. Dude, you drive a stang. I always go for the home team. Did you check out the video. If yes, isn't that crazy??? He hit 160KM (100MPH) in 4 seconds... look at it and time it. COMPLETELY FUBAR. ------------------ Lizard King - 00GT >> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock. "I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors

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Lizard King midnightruns.com Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 584	Look at the little dude... it's flamin' hehehe... You guys should take a look here: http://www.trainboard.com/smiles/

01-21-2001, 11:53 PM	#30
Lizard King midnightruns.com Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 584	Like I said FLAMING; [img]http://www.trainboard.com/smiles/058.gif ------------------ Lizard King - 00GT >> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock. "I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors

01-21-2001, 11:55 PM	#31
Lizard King midnightruns.com Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 584	Little critters; last try. ------------------ Lizard King - 00GT >> 13.698 @ 101.2MPH - BONE STOCK, yes BONE(even air filter) stock. "I can do anything, I'm the Lizard King." - The Doors

01-22-2001, 12:14 AM	#32
BurninBurt Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Wallace, NC, USA Posts: 24	Hey, it's me from right up the road...where did you race this dude at? That would have been some **** down, say...south college...or market st!

01-22-2001, 08:32 PM	#33
Beef Registered Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Redford MI Posts: 81	Bikes are not the unbeatable machines some of you make them out to be. It takes a good rider to get most new 600s in the 11s or faster. They are very touchy!! Launch RPM and shift points have to be right on. Older 750s are pretty much.. well dogs... hell my old 95 ZX9R "only" ran a low 11 with me on it. From the factory its listed as a 10.80 bike(with Rickey Gadson riding). and the older 900RRs are slower than that I believe... I dont see a reason to doubt his story. What his old ET was is phucing pointless cause the car is different now.

01-22-2001, 09:41 PM	#34
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	It would appear that some of the self proclaimed bike experts here know very little about them in the real world. No early or mid 90's 600 has even close to 100hp. They all dyno in at about 65hp. The 750's crank out a few more, like mid 70's. Not 120. The 900RR currently made doesn't even crank out 120rwhp. The new 600's do not dyno at over 100rwhp. They dyno in the mid 90's. So please, if you want some respect, and you want to be able to prove your point, know what you're talking about before you start jabbering. I see somebody brought the Hayabusa into the argument. Come on, do you really think the very lightweight for it's size, 1300cc, 150hp, ultra modern king of the sportbikes has jack ** in common with the run of the mill early's 90's 750? Let's be real. That's like comparing the a new '01 Mustang Cobra to a 1977 Mustang Cobra II V-6. I have raced my buddies '93 FZR 600, I had him by about 1/2 a car from 20-80. I've raced a CBR 600 F2, again I beat him, and that was with my old car from a 40 punch. It was a stock '88GT. I don't doubt rbatson's** claims for a second.

01-23-2001, 01:09 AM	#35
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	I just double checked with my friend, who owns and operates Tech One Motorsports, a full service bike shop, including machining and dyno tuning here in MN, he said some of the older 750's could put out over 100hp, but rarely. The 1998 ZX-7 that we were looking at in the shop dyno'd at 114hp. Baseline for the R6's he and I have seen, about 96hp, he put in a jet kit for a real serious amature, it picked up to 98hp, but it the graph got way smoother (for some reason it had a couple dead spots). He said if any bike had the chance to hit over 100hp in the 600 class he'd bet on the R6.

01-24-2001, 04:48 AM	#36
inferno The Instigator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: So Cal and Houston Posts: 764	Hmm...CBR 600F4 is making more than 100 to the wheels....so is the ZX-6, so is the GSX-R600....CBR929 is making almost 150 to the wheels....older bikes are dogs, but newer bikes are not. The GSX-R600 runs in the 10's and the other two 600cc bikes run in the low 11's(the new F4i might be faster). Now we all know driver skill is a factor, but even still, these bikes should still run high 11's or low 12's with an average to poor rider. Most street driven cars can't touch these bikes on street tires.

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jonnyk Being stroked is great Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 772	Keep in mind that ET is largely a function of the launch, and from a roll that all changes. Bikes hook hard off the line, even on street tires, so from a stop that would change the picture. How much horsepower/weight you have is much more important once the tires are hooking, and that's relative to trap speed. And I don't think a 750 is all that much faster than a 600, if at all. I don't see any reason to doubt rbatson either. ------------------ 1991 LX Hatch 5.0L

01-24-2001, 09:13 PM	#38
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	That's interesting Inferno I guess the 600's that I've physically assisted in being dynoed must have been a figment of my imagination? The F4 is the weakest of the 600's. At the rear wheel, you'd be lucky to see it dyno at 95. Or maybe my friend and the previous owner who sponser drag bikes in the area and who have tested everything from Ducati 916's to Yamaha V-Max's to modified all aluminum NOS equipped 350ci V-8 Boss Hoss' to 504ci big block Boss Hoss bikes are mearly figments of my imagination? Tell me something. Do you own your own bike shop? How about your own bike dyno? Or maybe you've physically dyno'd bikes before? Maybe you've seen the bike's being dyno'd? No? Then shut the hell up because you don't have a leg to stand on.

01-24-2001, 10:07 PM	#39
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	Oh, I will agree with the new 600's being 10 second machines, and way outclassing all but a very few cars in the world for street performance. Even the first year Hayabusa that Tech One owned and raced didn't dyno over 156rwhp, with some minor tweeking.

01-25-2001, 02:50 AM	#40
inferno The Instigator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: So Cal and Houston Posts: 764	Hey Unit, I have seen F4's dyno over 100 stock. I also agree with it being the weakest of the the 600 bikes(but it still won the championship for 2000!!!!! ). I haven't seen a dyno of the new F4i, but I am planning on going to check them out. I don't know if you have heard of Chaparral Motorsports, but they are less than 10 minutes away from my house.