00'GT vs. 01'Camaro SS

[1BAD89]

Everyone knows the twin turbo lingenfelter(don't know if I spelled that right) does 226mph. Could you guys imagine going that fast? I went 171 on my R1 and that was PLENTY FAST. But it's a little different in a car, yes I know. But still 226 or even what 236 for the Mclaren F1 is un-imaginable. I would probaly be satisfied then, passing the maxxed out hayabusa in the straight ahhhhhhhhh! =P See ya.

[1BAD89]

For you guys not into street bikes, the bike I'm referring to is a Suzuki GSXR1300R Hayabusa top speed (around 196mph).

[Mercury]

I wonder what my car power rating would be if measured in Chicken, not horse power? I'm guessing 2,260 chicken power at the rear wheels, does that sound about right?

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64 1/2 "D" code Red Mustang Coupe. 289, C4, Mallory duel point. Ported & Polished 65 heads shaved .01 with 351 valves, 11:1 comp, 1.7:1 rockers, blue wolverine lumpy cam, modified 4100 Hipo 4 barrel. GT Apperance pkg. And to many others to list

2000 Perf Red Mustang GT. 5spd. BBK Underdrive pulleys, Flotech off-road H pipe. Hurst T-Handle, 40 series Flowmasters
64 1/2 red 6cyl coupe. Auto. project car.

[96SNAKE]

I like that kind of thinking Mercury..

If I go by Chicken power, I don't exactly know what kind of hp I'd have at the wheels but it should be insane especially with my special hot wing sauce additive that's like nitrous..

226mph here i come..

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formerly 96cobra89lx306

(96Cobra/softtop-3.73,almdrvsht,fancontrl,steeda sbfrmes+shifter,eibachspgs,KYB's,FR-upper arms,Saleen copy-polished 18's,pulleys,Bassani X pipe(gutted),C&L 80mm
Cobra DYNO 301rwhp horsepower before gutting the X pipe
93 Ford Probe Gt(slower but turns)

[Mercury]

That was pretty good there 96 Snake. I found that Texas pete is like a 500 chicken power extra, while Hooters Buffalo WIng sauce is like 1000 Chicken power kick.

Thats what the ricers need to start doing, rating there car in Chicken power or Squirrel power. That way there numbers are actually higher than ours. Man that would really blow there minds.

Sorry if my posts have no relation to the subject at hand. The last few days I'm having trouble taking anything serouisly.

[Stang Runner]

After the that guy with the CRX that goes 180, 240 in mustang sounds about right.

[Stang Runner]

I have read about a 90 lx that was going for 220 at the salt lake I dont know if it made it but it had gone 211 before. It was in a 5.0. It was up over 800hp that would be fun. Hey my car in 5th at 6000rpm 302MPH but it stops at about 2100rpms on my car

[90dpscoupe]

umm, that 90 lx was mine lol j/k yea right, anyway unit, are you reffering to me about the "wild claim", i have no reason to lie, if i was gonna lie, i would go ahead and say i beat the SS, but of course a 5.0 stock as mine wont hang.

And all jokes aside, i saw an r1 get beat bye a 99 t/a, the t/a ran 11.3 on 125 shot, and extensive mods, yes...yes! i know the r1 is faster than that, but he got a bad run, and i know about 10 other guys that wittnessed this at the track, the t/a also threw a belt off on that run. But regardless that bike was frickin fast! he also ran a low 11, which was a bad run for him, i believe they are 10 second bikes right?

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90 lx coupe: 175k miles, steeda water pump pully, hurst shifter, Mac cold air fenderwell, accel supercoil, ADS chip, aluminum D/S, Black magic fan, 3.27grs.
Best time: 13.9116(on 225/60/15 firehawks)
Best mph: 98.17
Best 60': 1.9607

next mods: subframes, mac h-pipe

[what_import]

Here you go guys! thought is would help the cause. www.ConvertfromHP2ChknP.com

[Unit 5302]

Originally posted by 90dpscoupe:
umm, that 90 lx was mine lol j/k yea right, anyway unit, are you reffering to me about the "wild claim", i have no reason to lie, if i was gonna lie, i would go ahead and say i beat the SS, but of course a 5.0 stock as mine wont hang.

And all jokes aside, i saw an r1 get beat bye a 99 t/a, the t/a ran 11.3 on 125 shot, and extensive mods, yes...yes! i know the r1 is faster than that, but he got a bad run, and i know about 10 other guys that wittnessed this at the track, the t/a also threw a belt off on that run. But regardless that bike was frickin fast! he also ran a low 11, which was a bad run for him, i believe they are 10 second bikes right?

I've beaten LS1's before, don't see any reason you couldn't have.

If I must, I was referring to the claim a stock CRX can pull 135mph, and a CRX SiR will do 160.

[Dark_5.0]

If I must, I was referring to the claim a stock CRX can pull 135mph, and a CRX SiR will do 160.

[/B][/QUOTE]

Hey yeah me again "Unit" I see that you still do not believe but thats ok i am not here to argue.

I dont understand how you act so educated but yet doubt the facts.

Motortrend says the crx Si will go 125mph my crx is modded so why is it unreasonable for mine to go 135+mph.

I cant even see how the hell you try to make fun of a "crx Si-R".


CRX Si-R Gear ratio

1st-3.550
2nd-2.054
3rd-1.374
4th-1.045
5th-.840
Final-4.325

160hp on a 2100 lb car with a 8200 rpm red line. Yeah I bet its not fast

I dont even like imports but no your facts a stock "CRX Si-R" will dust a stock 5.0 and "most" 4.6L stockers.

My CRX isnt "stock"

After market computer, Header, port and polished head, 2 1/2 inch exhaust,DC motorsports cold air intake and a jacobs electronics ignition system.

My CRX doesnt have 1/4 mile speed but can do 135+mph 10mph more than the stock Si at 125mph.

I will grant you that a "CRX Si-R" is an exotic model of the CRX and a CRX Si is way slower than a type R.

The "CRX Si-R" is a true sports car and was fast as hell for its time. A stock Type-R CRX pulled 13's in the 1/4 and had mad top end with its high reving engine. Its just too bad that the car was not offered in the U.S. dont believe me look it up.


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88 mustang gt convertible bored to 306 BBk equal length headers mac cold air fender kit cowl hood nitto drag radials ford racing clutch flow masters h-pipe 160* thermostat 16 degrees of timing electric fan off 94' t-bird jacobs electronics cap and wires.
best 60 ft 2.14, best 1/8th 9.65, best 1/4 15.2 @89mph

[Unit 5302]

Originally posted by 5.0 HO:


If I must, I was referring to the claim a stock CRX can pull 135mph, and a CRX SiR will do 160.

Hey yeah me again "Unit" I see that you still do not believe but thats ok i am not here to argue.

I dont understand how you act so educated but yet doubt the facts.

Motortrend says the crx Si will go 125mph my crx is modded so why is it unreasonable for mine to go 135+mph.

I cant even see how the hell you try to make fun of a "crx Si-R".


CRX Si-R Gear ratio

1st-3.550
2nd-2.054
3rd-1.374
4th-1.045
5th-.840
Final-4.325

160hp on a 2100 lb car with a 8200 rpm red line. Yeah I bet its not fast

I dont even like imports but no your facts a stock "CRX Si-R" will dust a stock 5.0 and "most" 4.6L stockers.

My CRX isnt "stock"

After market computer, Header, port and polished head, 2 1/2 inch exhaust,DC motorsports cold air intake and a jacobs electronics ignition system.

My CRX doesnt have 1/4 mile speed but can do 135+mph 10mph more than the stock Si at 125mph.

I will grant you that a "CRX Si-R" is an exotic model of the CRX and a CRX Si is way slower than a type R.

The "CRX Si-R" is a true sports car and was fast as hell for its time. A stock Type-R CRX pulled 13's in the 1/4 and had mad top end with its high reving engine. Its just too bad that the car was not offered in the U.S. dont believe me look it up.


[/B][/QUOTE]

You my friend, do not have any idea about the kind of forces you are talking about.

You are so overwhelmed by the ricer idea of power to weight ratio that you cannot possibly fathom why some cars are fast and some are not.

What the hell are you talking gearing for? Okay, let's play that game.

Stock 87 Mustang GT

Let's just skip the first 4.

5th
.68:1
rear
2.73:1
redline
5900rpm

Theoretical top speed ba bing!!!! 242mph whoo hooo, Mustang's are like blazing fast!!

160hp isn't gonna get that CRX to 140, let alone 160. The CRX doesn't have a killer drag coefficient, which is what gets you top speed. When you get passed top end by a 5000lb 1978 Lincoln Town Car, maybe you'll figure that out.

It's all about HP, where your max HP is, where your gearing puts your car at maximum hp in the best high speed gear, and your coefficient of drag.

Notice, there is no reference to weight in there. You can take your 2100lbs and chuck it out the window. The Shelby 427 Cobra had 485hp, it weighed no more than your sorry *** CRX, yet it topped out at 160mph. Where's your pathetic super CRX vs a 427 Cobra??? I'll tell you where, not even the tinniest, tiniest little speck in the rear view mirror.

The Honda Civic Del Sol had 160hp, yet it could manage only 130mph.

The Mustang has a SIGNIFICANTLY superior power to weight ratio than your little CRX, and it EQUALS the CRX SiR (even if the little SiR maintains the 2100lb curb weight). STOCK 87GT. The stock fox can pull out about 135mph in summertime.

My little Escort as that you referred to had a Mazda built 1.8L DOHC 16v I-4 with MPFI Vane Airflow, dual length primary runners on the intake, and it made 127hp@6500rpm, with a redline of 7000rpm, and a fuel cutoff of 7400rpm. It weighed in about 2450lbs and it would kick the snot outta any stock CRX. 4 wheel disc brakes, 4 wheel IRS, close ratio 5spd and it topped out, I mean totally, completely, utterly maxxed at 114mph. It was jumpy as hell at that speed, felt more unstable than my stang at 150.

Bottom line, if I added another 30hp to that car it would have cranked out maybe 125.

Weight means nothing when it comes to top speed, and I'd be more than willing to wager my near stock 87GT would annihilate the CRX SiR.

You find one, or even put another 30hp onto your little CRX. I'll run you, $500. Not a prob. Where would you like to race? 0-60? 1/4mile, standing mile?, top speed? You pick. It won't matter.

[1BAD89]

Yeah R1's are kinda hard to drag race. They want to lift the front wheel real bad. It's fun on the street though. My first run ever was like a 10.9 on my 2000 R1, I got it down to 10.2 at 136mph

[Dark_5.0]

Originally posted by Unit 5302:
You my friend, do not have any idea about the kind of forces you are talking about.

You are so overwhelmed by the ricer idea of power to weight ratio that you cannot possibly fathom why some cars are fast and some are not.

What the hell are you talking gearing for? Okay, let's play that game.

Stock 87 Mustang GT

Let's just skip the first 4.

5th
.68:1
rear
2.73:1
redline
5900rpm

Theoretical top speed ba bing!!!! 242mph whoo hooo, Mustang's are like blazing fast!!

160hp isn't gonna get that CRX to 140, let alone 160. The CRX doesn't have a killer drag coefficient, which is what gets you top speed. When you get passed top end by a 5000lb 1978 Lincoln Town Car, maybe you'll figure that out.

It's all about HP, where your max HP is, where your gearing puts your car at maximum hp in the best high speed gear, and your coefficient of drag.

Notice, there is no reference to weight in there. You can take your 2100lbs and chuck it out the window. The Shelby 427 Cobra had 485hp, it weighed no more than your sorry *** CRX, yet it topped out at 160mph. Where's your pathetic super CRX vs a 427 Cobra??? I'll tell you where, not even the tinniest, tiniest little speck in the rear view mirror.

The Honda Civic Del Sol had 160hp, yet it could manage only 130mph.

The Mustang has a SIGNIFICANTLY superior power to weight ratio than your little CRX, and it EQUALS the CRX SiR (even if the little SiR maintains the 2100lb curb weight). STOCK 87GT. The stock fox can pull out about 135mph in summertime.

My little Escort as that you referred to had a Mazda built 1.8L DOHC 16v I-4 with MPFI Vane Airflow, dual length primary runners on the intake, and it made 127hp@6500rpm, with a redline of 7000rpm, and a fuel cutoff of 7400rpm. It weighed in about 2450lbs and it would kick the snot outta any stock CRX. 4 wheel disc brakes, 4 wheel IRS, close ratio 5spd and it topped out, I mean totally, completely, utterly maxxed at 114mph. It was jumpy as hell at that speed, felt more unstable than my stang at 150.

Bottom line, if I added another 30hp to that car it would have cranked out maybe 125.

Weight means nothing when it comes to top speed, and I'd be more than willing to wager my near stock 87GT would annihilate the CRX SiR.

You find one, or even put another 30hp onto your little CRX. I'll run you, $500. Not a prob. Where would you like to race? 0-60? 1/4mile, standing mile?, top speed? You pick. It won't matter.

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OH please man I would never race a stang in my crx. My car does not have 1/4 mile speed nor can it out do a stang on the top end.

I would definiately bet you that I can peg out the speedo though.

I am not saying my CRX is "fast". Hell I really dont even like argueing with you people over the top speed of my CRX.

I thought surely you would see that "Honda"
and various other publications rate the Stock CRX Si at 125mph. You would have a hell of a time findig a CRX Si R to race. Since they were only relesead in Japan.

There are CRX's runing 11's in the 1/4 all motor that are street legal. but let me guess they are probably running an 11.1 @90mph right

My CRX is by no means a race car and right now it is weighed down with 300 lbs of stereo stuff and I weigh 210 lbs so any kind of respectable 1/4 mile speed is not possible

If you will go back and look at the thread I "never" said a CRX Si R can go 160mph I said it would not surprise me if it could go 145-160mph.

How can you compare a cobra with a low reving big block built for 1/4 mile *** kicken. To a honda I would hope that noone would try to race a cobra in a stock honda anything.

You must be confusing me ith a ricer if you think I would take on a stang in my CRX.
I bought the car for my girlfriend. The only thing I enjoy about the car is the stereo system.

It is too small.
Lacks low end power
And anything front wheel drive is annoying to me.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree my friend cause my car pegs out at 130 and I think it has a little bit left after that.








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88 mustang gt convertible bored to 306 BBk equal length headers mac cold air fender kit cowl hood nitto drag radials ford racing clutch flow masters h-pipe 160* thermostat 16 degrees of timing electric fan off 94' t-bird jacobs electronics cap and wires.
best 60 ft 2.14, best 1/8th 9.65, best 1/4 15.2 @89mph

[inferno]

I have to chime in here...I have buried my speedo(125) in my CRX with bolt ons with my puny 1.5 liter DX motor. I don't know how fast I was going but I am sure that it was at least 130. If my sub 100hp engine was able to get my car to that speed, I am sure a 125hp or a 160hp engine can do it as well.

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90 Honda CRX aka Project Mongoose
Estimated Completion: ON STANDBY

84 Toyota Supra:
Japanese 6mge installed within two weeks.....
High flow cat, two chamber flowmaster, custom 2.5" piping, msd 8.5mm wires. Will have boost before 2002.
Have HKS turbo manifold for it.....

[Unit 5302]

Speedo's are inaccurate.

The Porsche 911 Turbo's speedo reads up to and beyond 30mph fast on top end.

Under 100hp? 130 is a joke.

[90dpscoupe]

Look, i feel like i started this somehow, i made unit think he was talking to me, then he got into this flame with the crx guy.

I bet the crx could do 120 or beyond, i have no idea, i dont know about ricers, but i know unit is usually pretty wise at these car subjects (my opinion) no problems here.

Yea 1bad89, i seen those guys strugglin to keep that front wheel down on those bikes, looks like a thrill, but not for me

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90 lx coupe: 175k miles, steeda water pump pully, hurst shifter, Mac cold air fenderwell, accel supercoil, ADS chip, aluminum D/S, Black magic fan, 3.27grs.
Best time: 13.9116(on 225/60/15 firehawks)
Best mph: 98.17
Best 60': 1.9607

next mods: subframes, mac h-pipe

[Dark_5.0]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Unit 5302:
Speedo's are inaccurate.

The Porsche 911 Turbo's speedo reads up to and beyond 30mph fast on top end.

Under 100hp? 130 is a joke.[/QUOTE
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No my friend the joke is on you.

1st. Honda rates the damn thing at 125mph.
2nd. Motortrend rated it at 125mph.
3rd. Ive been there done that.
4th. Do me a favor find some guy in your
area with a stock or slightly modded Si
and go for a top speed run and then get
get back to me.
5th. There is no better experience, or no
better way to obtain knowledge than
hands on
6th. I totaly agree that generaly I find
you to be very smart guy when it comes
to cars. And I dont blame you for
doubting the top end of the CRX Si.
7th. When I bought the car the guy told me
that it would do 130mph and I thought
yeah right. To my surprise the car has
130mph speed. My speedo is not off.

"DONT KNOCK IT TILL YOU TRY IT"



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88 mustang gt convertible bored to 306 BBk equal length headers mac cold air fender kit cowl hood nitto drag radials ford racing clutch flow masters h-pipe 160* thermostat 16 degrees of timing electric fan off 94' t-bird jacobs electronics cap and wires.
best 60 ft 2.14, best 1/8th 9.65, best 1/4 15.2 @89mph

[Smokedawg]

Just to let you know...
Your stock speedometer is fairly accurate up to around 100 Mph. After that any speedo that can't be calibrated is not very accurate. It could be off by as much as 5 - 10 MPH. This is especially true if you are running aftermarket rims / tires or are using an aftermarket Ring & Pinion set like 3.55, 3.73, 4.10's etc. Even if you get the correct speedo gear for your new ring and pinion set, your stock speedo may still be off, based on your rim or tire combo. This is true for all types of cars, not just Mustangs. For accurate readings in "race applications" the stock speedometer (and all the other stock gauges) are virtually useless. You'll need to upgrade to VDO (or another brand) of gauges that allow you to calibrate them. For example, you can calibrate a VDO race speedo by simply pressing a button, driving one mile, then pressing it again, the speedo will compensate for rear end gear ratios, speedo gearing, windup, etc. You must also calibrate a speedo often to compensate for many factors to insure accurate readings (in racing). The stock gauges are fine for street applications and general driving, but for road racing / drag applications and to ensure accurate measurements, I recommend you upgrade your stock gauges. Just to note, 99% off all folks out there will be fine with the stock gauges, we are talking about sponsored race applications (or folks that want accurate readings) only.

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347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, Cobra Transmission, Extrude Ported and Polished Upper and ported Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Holley AFPR, March Underdrive Pulleys, Perma-Cool Fan, 3-Core Radiator, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 73mm Vortech MAF, 70mm TB, FlowMaster Exhaust w/BBK Offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, AC del, rear seat del.

[This message has been edited by Smokedawg (edited 06-14-2001).]

[Dark_5.0]

Originally posted by Smokedawg:
Just to let you know...
Your stock speedometer is fairly accurate up to around 100 Mph. After that any speedo that can't be calibrated is not very accurate. It could be off by as much as 5 - 10 MPH. This is especially true if you are running aftermarket rims / tires or are using an aftermarket Ring & Pinion set like 3.55, 3.73, 4.10's etc. Even if you get the correct speedo gear for your new ring and pinion set, your stock speedo may still be off, based on your rim or tire combo. This is true for all types of cars, not just Mustangs. For accurate readings in "race applications" the stock speedometer (and all the other stock gauges) are virtually useless. You'll need to upgrade to VDO (or another brand) of gauges that allow you to calibrate them. For example, you can calibrate a VDO race speedo by simply pressing a button, driving one mile, then pressing it again, the speedo will compensate for rear end gear ratios, speedo gearing, windup, etc. You must also calibrate a speedo often to compensate for many factors to insure accurate readings (in racing). The stock gauges are fine for street applications and general driving, but for road racing / drag applications and to ensure accurate measurements, I recommend you upgrade your stock gauges. Just to note, 99% off all folks out there will be fine with the stock gauges, we are talking about sponsored race applications (or folks that want accurate readings) only.

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I totaly agree with you. I do have aftermarket rims and tires I went from 13 to 15 inch rims and low pro tires they are the same height as the originals.

Although I dont think that my speedo is very far off cause I raced a Nissan 240sx from a stand still all the way till my car ran out of power. He said he was at about 126mph and I was steady leaving him behind.

You do make a valid point though



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88 mustang gt convertible bored to 306 BBk equal length headers mac cold air fender kit cowl hood nitto drag radials ford racing clutch flow masters h-pipe 160* thermostat 16 degrees of timing electric fan off 94' t-bird jacobs electronics cap and wires.
best 60 ft 2.14, best 1/8th 9.65, best 1/4 15.2 @89mph