Lamborghini (can't really call it a race)

blue00gt · 06-07-2001, 11:38 AM

The other day going home from work on the 101 freeway, I saw a low black car a couple hundred yards ahead getting on the freeway with some serious speed. I gunned it up to about 100 to check it out, when all I see is a lot of black smoke and the thing pulling like I was stopped. Judging from how fast he was leaving me, he was doing over 150.
Later on traffic slowed down and I caught up and saw that it was a Countach. I revved him just for kicks, but he got off at the next ramp.
Just thought I'd share that because I've never seen a car pull like that on the street...

bigwhitecobra · 06-07-2001, 11:54 AM

What's wrong with Ford? Why won't they build something like that? Just once, and make it somewhat attainable, like the R. He11, even an S351 Saleen, without the Saleen price tag. Something!!!

06-07-2001, 12:36 PM

they gave us our Mustangs, now we can build what we want.....

for Ford to build a car like a viper, porsche, ferarri or a Countach the sticker would be just as big... and I would prefer a car I built...

I read an article once that claimed GM made $5,000.00-$6,000.00 on every Suburban sold...

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SaleenGTS · 06-07-2001, 12:39 PM

Countachs aren't that fast....maybe low 13's@105's...top out around 180 though. I imagine once they get goin, they move.

I raced a Magnum P.I. 308 Ferrari once....that was a disappointment if I have ever seen one. I left him at the light, beat him by about 3 cars to 80. I ran low 13's then. You know, as a kid, I always saw Ferrari's, Lambo's, and Porche's as these invincible supercars....who knows.

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Dustin
90 Saleen yup, got her back!!
89 GT (Saleen clone)392 rwhp UNTUNED(TFS Intake, spacer,Heads and #2 cam, BD-11A 9#(only boosting 6???WTF),1.6 rr's,BBK 70mm TB,FMS 70mm MAF,MSD 6BTM,FMS 9mm wires,BBK longtubes and H-Pipe,American Thunder cat back,3.55 lots more...

12.564@118.49 on street tires is my best so far. Still untuned

46stang · 06-07-2001, 01:57 PM

that must have been cool to see!!
fyi. i heard ford makes 12-15,000 on every navigator sold. wow:0 overpriced expedition. jmo.

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96 stang,ported 99 heads, 99 intake, 99 cams,Steeda power pullies,Kirban adj.reg.,Pro-m 87,24#inj.,70mm t/b,BBK longtube headers,Bassani x-pipe w/cats, Dynomax ultraflow catback,iat mod, home depot ram air, k@n,373's,cobra brakes,fms spings, tri-ax shifter.
best et 13.80
best mph 103.3
bfg street tires,bakersfield, ca

1BAD89 · 06-07-2001, 03:14 PM

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jonnyk · 06-07-2001, 03:56 PM

1BAD89 that number sounds right. Diablos barely run in the 12's. You have to remember that they are geared to run 180+ mph, so their 1/4 mile speeds suck. Same thing with Ferrari. Try racing one 100 and above and their power and aerodynamics come alive, which is what they are built for. Supercars are nice if you're on the autobahn, but I'd never own one.

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1991 LX Hatch 5.0L

SaleenGTS · 06-07-2001, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1BAD89:
Countach's runing low 13's? You amuse me with your intelligence about exotic cars. 308 Ferrari's are slower than Lamborgini's also. The new ones run low low 11's maybe faster. I really am tired of people on here thinking they know EVERYTHING because they have a couple hundred posts. But I suppose it does matter on what year the LAMBO. was. But if blue is saying it was pulling hardcore doing over 150 then even if I was a complete idiot I would know it ran faster than 13's. 200+ also, not this 180 crap. Yeah let's buy a $250,000 car that runs 13's. Get it right.

Get it right huh? Looks like you are the fool here. It really makes my day to laugh at a dumna$$ that thinks they know their $hit so well that they have to slam somebody else. You just literally stuck your foot in your mouth. You were off on EVERYTHING but the 308 being slower than the Lamb...and I never said it was faster....re-read the post dip$hit. With the websites attached you will see how big of an a$$ you just made yourself look like.

Here are some facts.
1989 Countach 25th ann.
Base Price: $145,000 (now if options add 105k, then so be it)
HP: 455 (which should give it good 1/4 times, but with bad top speed gearing it won't)
0-60: 5.0, but I have seen mid 4's.

Word of advice...before you go off flaming somebody who had no intention of starting anything, double check your sources before you make a a$$ out of yourself. You think you are so bad from all of your posts...I will be in Tulsa in a couple of weeks, or I might even have to come up there sooner, we can see how bad you really are, or you could just come down here, or are you just bad behind the computer?.

Also, who knows what mods the Lamb Blue was talking about had...all I was referring to was a stock Lamborghini $hithead.

http://www.fantasycars.com/derek/list.html http://web.missouri.edu/~apcb20/times.html

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Dustin
90 Saleen yup, got her back!!
89 GT (Saleen clone)392 rwhp UNTUNED(TFS Intake, spacer,Heads and #2 cam, BD-11A 9#(only boosting 6???WTF),1.6 rr's,BBK 70mm TB,FMS 70mm MAF,MSD 6BTM,FMS 9mm wires,BBK longtubes and H-Pipe,American Thunder cat back,3.55 lots more...

12.564@118.49 on street tires is my best so far. Still untuned

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Unit 5302 · 06-07-2001, 06:54 PM

The special edition Lamborghini was the 5000sp, which had a significant hp advantage over the other Countach's.

The Ferrari 308GTS made 240hp from 1975-1980. From late 1980-1981 it made 205hp, and when the Quattrovalvole came out in 1982, it was worked back up to 240hp. All that in a car that weighs about as much as an Fox Mustang.

Perhaps you'd like to test your knowledge on the Testarossa? It's about even with a new LS1 SS. 0-60 5.3sec, quarter mile in the low 13s.

The new Lamborghini Diablo VT should run 12's in the quarter. I don't think people are real good as grasping how much these cars really weigh. We're talking 4000lb curb weight on that thing. It's like a suped up Mitsu 3000GT VR4.

Running some of the exotics in the 1/4 mile isn't some impossible task, but running them at 120 is suicide. The Testarossa can hit more than 180, the Countach around 180 as well. There was a special edition, modded Countach that was reported to do 200mph, but it's mostly an old wives tale.

The fastest production car in the WORLD, EVER was the Jaguar XJ 220 in the early 90's. It did 212mph. They were hoping to get 220 out of it, they just had problems doing so. The current F50 can't even hit 200. They say it does, but upper 190's is what all the testers have stated for max velocity.

Of course, the McLaren F1 is the current king, something like 235-240, whatever, never see it anyway.

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blue00gt · 06-07-2001, 06:58 PM

I had a poster of the 5000sp when I was a kid. I think it was rated at about 600hp. For a long time I thought that they all had this much.

SaleenGTS · 06-07-2001, 08:19 PM

You may have seen the SP, but chances are no....extremely rare. I would prolly jizz my pants seeing a old countach. I say you are an extremely lucky bro. Like I said, I wasn't tryin to start anything, but when some punk comes on here blowin hot air, I tend to get frusterated....just ask Unit...we've been round and round before. Unit, I love ya buddy, I hope your post was in my defense. LOL

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Dustin
90 Saleen yup, got her back!!
89 GT (Saleen clone)392 rwhp UNTUNED(TFS Intake, spacer,Heads and #2 cam, BD-11A 9#(only boosting 6???WTF),1.6 rr's,BBK 70mm TB,FMS 70mm MAF,MSD 6BTM,FMS 9mm wires,BBK longtubes and H-Pipe,American Thunder cat back,3.55 lots more...

12.564@118.49 on street tires is my best so far. Still untuned

gp001 · 06-07-2001, 10:08 PM

My boss bought one of the first 50 Ferrari F-40s back in 1987. Had it imported as a "modified Testarossa" in 1988. In 89 he blew the turbos and had the motor rebuilt to IMSA specs. Bigger turbos, bigger HP, BIGGER everything. After he got it back, he and a co-worker of mine decided to race. I was in the co-workers Callaway Corvette (twin turbo). They both had a great launch, and the F-40 just screamed away. The F-40 immediately pulled in front of us as he got ahead so we were looking square at the back of his car. The F-40 just left us. We accelerated to about 130, my boss said he was at 180 before he backed off. It was a hell of an experience.

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347 (Coast High short block), 279/284 .493/.510, TFS TW, Stealth, 750, Flowtech hdrs, Dr. Gas X, 2 Chmbr Flowmaster, MSD 6AL-Dist.& SS coil, March serpentine pulley system, Art Carr C-4, Currie 9" w/3.55, alum Drv Shft, susp mods, Total Control subframes & tower braces, Trans Am Racing power dual master, 4 wheel disc
In a 66 coupe

Unit 5302 · 06-08-2001, 06:29 PM

I got your back SaleenGTS

More than that, I LOVE Ferrari's.

Just because in stock form some of the Ferrari's aren't 1/4 mile monster's doesn't mean they won't slaughter a stang on a road course!

The F40 was rated at 470hp, with the originals rolling off the line at about 2420lbs. They were in the spirits of the true old Ferrari's. Bare bones, bascially steet legal race cars. The F40 is almost unstreetable, turbos kick in about 6000rpm on the V-8. Seems strange that the turbo's went out, supposedly the F40 is one of the more reliable Ferrari's.

Anyway, with a power to weight ratio of about 5.14:1 and a Viper GTS coming in at 7.3:1, you can tell the Ferrari means business.

The Calloway Vette was probably pushing about 3300lbs. That means to equal the power to weight ratio of the STOCK F40 it would need about 640hp.

StangDan · 06-09-2001, 08:08 PM

My friends father has the very last Testerossa to roll off the assembly line. I think it is a 93 but I am not sure on that. Anyways I drove the thing and it was incredible and weird at the same time. The gated shifter is such a pain and the clutch was so hard to push my leg was sore at the end of the night, but the engine roar and the power were awsome. Well anyway just my two cents, I was just expecting a little more refinement for such an expensive car but at least I can say I drove a ferrari

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06-07-2001, 11:38 AM	#1
blue00gt Mustang Addict Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: McKinney, TX Posts: 1,294	Lamborghini (can't really call it a race) The other day going home from work on the 101 freeway, I saw a low black car a couple hundred yards ahead getting on the freeway with some serious speed. I gunned it up to about 100 to check it out, when all I see is a lot of black smoke and the thing pulling like I was stopped. Judging from how fast he was leaving me, he was doing over 150. Later on traffic slowed down and I caught up and saw that it was a Countach. I revved him just for kicks, but he got off at the next ramp. Just thought I'd share that because I've never seen a car pull like that on the street...

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06-07-2001, 11:54 AM	#2
bigwhitecobra Huh? Whatcha said? Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 1,073	What's wrong with Ford? Why won't they build something like that? Just once, and make it somewhat attainable, like the R. He11, even an S351 Saleen, without the Saleen price tag. Something!!!

06-07-2001, 12:36 PM	#3
jerryIII Guest Posts: n/a	they gave us our Mustangs, now we can build what we want..... for Ford to build a car like a viper, porsche, ferarri or a Countach the sticker would be just as big... and I would prefer a car I built... I read an article once that claimed GM made $5,000.00-$6,000.00 on every Suburban sold... ------------------ Black, 84 GT, T5, ground effects, shorty headers, dual exh., rear spoiler from a 87.. In the works; 4:10's, 89 ported heads, edelbrock Performer, matched cam and holley carb (?? size)

06-07-2001, 12:39 PM	#4
SaleenGTS RICE taste like Chicken Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 687	Countachs aren't that fast....maybe low 13's@105's...top out around 180 though. I imagine once they get goin, they move. I raced a Magnum P.I. 308 Ferrari once....that was a disappointment if I have ever seen one. I left him at the light, beat him by about 3 cars to 80. I ran low 13's then. You know, as a kid, I always saw Ferrari's, Lambo's, and Porche's as these invincible supercars....who knows. ------------------ Dustin 90 Saleen yup, got her back!! 89 GT (Saleen clone)392 rwhp UNTUNED(TFS Intake, spacer,Heads and #2 cam, BD-11A 9#(only boosting 6???WTF),1.6 rr's,BBK 70mm TB,FMS 70mm MAF,MSD 6BTM,FMS 9mm wires,BBK longtubes and H-Pipe,American Thunder cat back,3.55 lots more... 12.564@118.49 on street tires is my best so far. Still untuned

06-07-2001, 01:57 PM	#5
46stang Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: moorpark ca Posts: 340	that must have been cool to see!! fyi. i heard ford makes 12-15,000 on every navigator sold. wow:0 overpriced expedition. jmo. ------------------ 96 stang,ported 99 heads, 99 intake, 99 cams,Steeda power pullies,Kirban adj.reg.,Pro-m 87,24#inj.,70mm t/b,BBK longtube headers,Bassani x-pipe w/cats, Dynomax ultraflow catback,iat mod, home depot ram air, k@n,373's,cobra brakes,fms spings, tri-ax shifter. best et 13.80 best mph 103.3 bfg street tires,bakersfield, ca

06-07-2001, 03:14 PM	#6
1BAD89 Tubbed and Juiced Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 1,861	. [This message has been edited by 1BAD89 (edited 06-07-2001).]

06-07-2001, 03:56 PM	#7
jonnyk Being stroked is great Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 772	1BAD89 that number sounds right. Diablos barely run in the 12's. You have to remember that they are geared to run 180+ mph, so their 1/4 mile speeds suck. Same thing with Ferrari. Try racing one 100 and above and their power and aerodynamics come alive, which is what they are built for. Supercars are nice if you're on the autobahn, but I'd never own one. ------------------ 1991 LX Hatch 5.0L

06-07-2001, 06:54 PM	#9
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	The special edition Lamborghini was the 5000sp, which had a significant hp advantage over the other Countach's. The Ferrari 308GTS made 240hp from 1975-1980. From late 1980-1981 it made 205hp, and when the Quattrovalvole came out in 1982, it was worked back up to 240hp. All that in a car that weighs about as much as an Fox Mustang. Perhaps you'd like to test your knowledge on the Testarossa? It's about even with a new LS1 SS. 0-60 5.3sec, quarter mile in the low 13s. The new Lamborghini Diablo VT should run 12's in the quarter. I don't think people are real good as grasping how much these cars really weigh. We're talking 4000lb curb weight on that thing. It's like a suped up Mitsu 3000GT VR4. Running some of the exotics in the 1/4 mile isn't some impossible task, but running them at 120 is suicide. The Testarossa can hit more than 180, the Countach around 180 as well. There was a special edition, modded Countach that was reported to do 200mph, but it's mostly an old wives tale. The fastest production car in the WORLD, EVER was the Jaguar XJ 220 in the early 90's. It did 212mph. They were hoping to get 220 out of it, they just had problems doing so. The current F50 can't even hit 200. They say it does, but upper 190's is what all the testers have stated for max velocity. Of course, the McLaren F1 is the current king, something like 235-240, whatever, never see it anyway. [This message has been edited by Unit 5302 (edited 06-07-2001).]

06-07-2001, 06:58 PM	#10
blue00gt Mustang Addict Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: McKinney, TX Posts: 1,294	I had a poster of the 5000sp when I was a kid. I think it was rated at about 600hp. For a long time I thought that they all had this much.

06-07-2001, 08:19 PM	#11
SaleenGTS RICE taste like Chicken Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 687	You may have seen the SP, but chances are no....extremely rare. I would prolly jizz my pants seeing a old countach. I say you are an extremely lucky bro. Like I said, I wasn't tryin to start anything, but when some punk comes on here blowin hot air, I tend to get frusterated....just ask Unit...we've been round and round before. Unit, I love ya buddy, I hope your post was in my defense. LOL ------------------ Dustin 90 Saleen yup, got her back!! 89 GT (Saleen clone)392 rwhp UNTUNED(TFS Intake, spacer,Heads and #2 cam, BD-11A 9#(only boosting 6???WTF),1.6 rr's,BBK 70mm TB,FMS 70mm MAF,MSD 6BTM,FMS 9mm wires,BBK longtubes and H-Pipe,American Thunder cat back,3.55 lots more... 12.564@118.49 on street tires is my best so far. Still untuned

06-07-2001, 10:08 PM	#12
gp001 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: So. Cal. Posts: 244	My boss bought one of the first 50 Ferrari F-40s back in 1987. Had it imported as a "modified Testarossa" in 1988. In 89 he blew the turbos and had the motor rebuilt to IMSA specs. Bigger turbos, bigger HP, BIGGER everything. After he got it back, he and a co-worker of mine decided to race. I was in the co-workers Callaway Corvette (twin turbo). They both had a great launch, and the F-40 just screamed away. The F-40 immediately pulled in front of us as he got ahead so we were looking square at the back of his car. The F-40 just left us. We accelerated to about 130, my boss said he was at 180 before he backed off. It was a hell of an experience. ------------------ 347 (Coast High short block), 279/284 .493/.510, TFS TW, Stealth, 750, Flowtech hdrs, Dr. Gas X, 2 Chmbr Flowmaster, MSD 6AL-Dist.& SS coil, March serpentine pulley system, Art Carr C-4, Currie 9" w/3.55, alum Drv Shft, susp mods, Total Control subframes & tower braces, Trans Am Racing power dual master, 4 wheel disc In a 66 coupe

06-08-2001, 06:29 PM	#13
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	I got your back SaleenGTS More than that, I LOVE Ferrari's. Just because in stock form some of the Ferrari's aren't 1/4 mile monster's doesn't mean they won't slaughter a stang on a road course! The F40 was rated at 470hp, with the originals rolling off the line at about 2420lbs. They were in the spirits of the true old Ferrari's. Bare bones, bascially steet legal race cars. The F40 is almost unstreetable, turbos kick in about 6000rpm on the V-8. Seems strange that the turbo's went out, supposedly the F40 is one of the more reliable Ferrari's. Anyway, with a power to weight ratio of about 5.14:1 and a Viper GTS coming in at 7.3:1, you can tell the Ferrari means business. The Calloway Vette was probably pushing about 3300lbs. That means to equal the power to weight ratio of the STOCK F40 it would need about 640hp.

06-09-2001, 08:08 PM	#14
StangDan Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Lincoln/RI/USA Posts: 22	My friends father has the very last Testerossa to roll off the assembly line. I think it is a 93 but I am not sure on that. Anyways I drove the thing and it was incredible and weird at the same time. The gated shifter is such a pain and the clutch was so hard to push my leg was sore at the end of the night, but the engine roar and the power were awsome. Well anyway just my two cents, I was just expecting a little more refinement for such an expensive car but at least I can say I drove a ferrari .