96 Cobra\99 GT

aurilius_maximus · 05-23-2001, 10:20 AM

I have a question for you guys... I ran into this guy who has a 99 mustang GT. It is lowered, has an aftermarket exhaust, and a K&N filter, other than that it stock. I have a 96 Cobra, with 30K miles and it is bone stock. We are going to race this weekend and I was curious who you felt would win? Doesnt really matter to me, he is a really nice guy, and I would say that our driving experiance is about the same(we both suck). Any tips, thoughts ect... One last thing, my car grinds second really hard if I try to power shift it, so I have to hold the clutch in for a moment shiting from first to second.

Ty'97Cobra · 05-23-2001, 03:07 PM

Check out this link. I raised a similar question last year. Be sure to read all the replies b/c there are a few differing opinions.
http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard...-5-001899.html

Post the results of the race... Win or loss..
Good luck!

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1997 Black Cobra Convertible. #2788 of 3088
Mostly Stock - Vortech Anyone?
1988 5.0 LX Convertible -Work Car...Few Mods.

blue00gt · 05-23-2001, 05:07 PM

I think driving would decide this one. It's all in the launch.

Lizard King · 05-23-2001, 05:59 PM

I was killed 4 times (by 1 car lenght to about 3) this weekend by a well done Cobra96 ... I forget the exact mods, but I know gears for sure, and complete exaust.

He said he ran 13.4 at the track, and he seemed very competent (could never beat him on launch).

If your Cobra is stock, you will loose... unless you hit a bad driver.

red82gt · 05-23-2001, 07:10 PM

The GT has more low end torque but the cobra will run away at high speeds here's my prediction:
1/8 mile, GT ahead
1/4 mile, too close to call
1/2 mile, cobra by 5+ cars.

Cobra's need gears in a big way!

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GT-40 heads (ported, polished, + milled), B303 cam, 1.7rr's, JE pistons, Offy intake, Carter AFB 625cfm carb, Flowtech 1 5/8" shortys, Flowtech X-pipe, MAC Flowpath exhaust, MAC pulleys, 373's, subframes, Eibachs+Tokicos, B+M ripper, FMS Clutch, Zoom Quadrant+cable, 17" CSA Ultra rims, 235/45ZR17 Yokohama AVS S4's, MSD 6A ignition+coil, FMS 9mm wires, Carbed, Naturally Aspirated, and Nasty!

96SNAKE · 05-23-2001, 08:52 PM

82GT is right about the Cobra needing gears but I think it is more important to know how to drive the Cobra. If I remember when my car was stock and its been awhile since then, to get to 70 all you needed was 1st and 2nd gear, saving you the shift to 3rd I need now with my 3.73's.

The point is I've driven both cars stock and know that the cars are pretty damn near even on paper but that isn't the case if you know how to drive these cars. If you rev the DOHC to redline on those first two shifts, the torquey feeling, GT should be the loser here. Not by much but still behind 1 to 2 cars, despite the crappy gears in the Cobra.

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formerly 96cobra89lx306

(96Cobra/softtop-3.73,almdrvsht,fancontrl,steeda sbfrmes+shifter,eibachspgs,KYB's,FR-upper arms,Saleen copy-polished 18's,pulleys,Bassani X pipe(gutted),C&L 80mm
Cobra DYNO 301rwhp horsepower before gutting the X pipe
93 Ford Probe Gt(slower but turns)

Mercury · 05-24-2001, 12:43 AM

No offense man, with equal drivers, I think the GT will win in an 8th or quarter mile run. Not to offend any Cobra guys out there.

aurilius_maximus · 05-24-2001, 12:52 AM

Thanks for the reply's I figured it will be really close. I always take my car up to 7,000+ rpms when racing, dont really no if it is bad for my car or not, the only problem is always the launch... My tires arn't the best for launching, seems like I am either spinning way to much or not enough. What do you guys think, I usually launch around 2,500 rpms, does this sound right or do you think I should take it up higher?

00'BlackSteed · 05-30-2001, 04:04 AM

I just raced a 95'Cobra this weekend in my 00'GT. He had full exhaust(headers,H-pipe,and 2 chamber muff.),ram air,injectors,FRRP Fuel pump,275/40-17 Nitto Drag Radials, and some other stuff. I have 3 chamber flows,3.73 gears,K&N filter, underdrive pulleys, & yoko A008P 255/40-17 . The location:Santa Ana street races:sunday 5/28. He heated up his tires and pulled up to the line. Hands dropped and I was gone. I pulled atleast 2 cars ahead of him and held that lead to the end. We raced again and I beat him even worse. I know the 95'Cobras are 20hp shy of the 96's so I think it will be a very close race. Try to practice your launch because 99-01's have excellent low end torque. It will be your key to victory. Goodluck!

Unit 5302 · 05-30-2001, 06:26 PM

The 95 Cobra's are 65hp short of the 96's.

SaleenGTS · 05-31-2001, 07:56 AM

Anyone remember CobraDad??? I wonder what happened to that guy....he had a fast Cobra.

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Dustin
89 GT(Saleen Clone) 392 rwhp UNTUNED(TFS Intake, spacer,Heads and #2 cam, BD-11A 9#(only boosting 6???WTF),1.6 rr's,BBK 70mm TB,FMS 70mm MAF,MSD 6BTM,FMS 9mm wires,BBK longtubes and H-Pipe,American Thunder cat back,3.55 lots more...

12.564@118.49 on street tires is my best so far. Still untuned

[This message has been edited by SaleenGTS (edited 05-31-2001).]

dashapht · 06-03-2001, 01:48 PM

aurilius_maximus:

Your second gear grinding is probably due to the fact that T-45s suck. A friend of mine with a 97 cobra had less than 20k miles on it, and the first time he powershifted it blew out all gears except first. Granted he had a vortech on it, but with street tires I'd think it could handle at least a few powershifts. T-45s are weak. Be leary of powershifting them.

05-23-2001, 10:20 AM	#1
aurilius_maximus Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Mt. Shasta, California, 96067 Posts: 77	96 Cobra\99 GT I have a question for you guys... I ran into this guy who has a 99 mustang GT. It is lowered, has an aftermarket exhaust, and a K&N filter, other than that it stock. I have a 96 Cobra, with 30K miles and it is bone stock. We are going to race this weekend and I was curious who you felt would win? Doesnt really matter to me, he is a really nice guy, and I would say that our driving experiance is about the same(we both suck). Any tips, thoughts ect... One last thing, my car grinds second really hard if I try to power shift it, so I have to hold the clutch in for a moment shiting from first to second.

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05-23-2001, 03:07 PM	#2
Ty'97Cobra Registered Member Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: NC Posts: 308	Check out this link. I raised a similar question last year. Be sure to read all the replies b/c there are a few differing opinions. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard...-5-001899.html Post the results of the race... Win or loss.. Good luck! ------------------ 1997 Black Cobra Convertible. #2788 of 3088 Mostly Stock - Vortech Anyone? 1988 5.0 LX Convertible -Work Car...Few Mods.

05-23-2001, 05:07 PM	#3
blue00gt Mustang Addict Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: McKinney, TX Posts: 1,294	I think driving would decide this one. It's all in the launch.

05-23-2001, 05:59 PM	#4
Lizard King midnightruns.com Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 584	I was killed 4 times (by 1 car lenght to about 3) this weekend by a well done Cobra96 ... I forget the exact mods, but I know gears for sure, and complete exaust. He said he ran 13.4 at the track, and he seemed very competent (could never beat him on launch). If your Cobra is stock, you will loose... unless you hit a bad driver.

05-23-2001, 07:10 PM	#5
red82gt Sober voice of Reason Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Kelowna, B.C., Canada Posts: 1,514	The GT has more low end torque but the cobra will run away at high speeds here's my prediction: 1/8 mile, GT ahead 1/4 mile, too close to call 1/2 mile, cobra by 5+ cars. Cobra's need gears in a big way! ------------------ GT-40 heads (ported, polished, + milled), B303 cam, 1.7rr's, JE pistons, Offy intake, Carter AFB 625cfm carb, Flowtech 1 5/8" shortys, Flowtech X-pipe, MAC Flowpath exhaust, MAC pulleys, 373's, subframes, Eibachs+Tokicos, B+M ripper, FMS Clutch, Zoom Quadrant+cable, 17" CSA Ultra rims, 235/45ZR17 Yokohama AVS S4's, MSD 6A ignition+coil, FMS 9mm wires, Carbed, Naturally Aspirated, and Nasty!

05-23-2001, 08:52 PM	#6
96SNAKE Registered Member Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: allentown,pa,u.s. Posts: 780	82GT is right about the Cobra needing gears but I think it is more important to know how to drive the Cobra. If I remember when my car was stock and its been awhile since then, to get to 70 all you needed was 1st and 2nd gear, saving you the shift to 3rd I need now with my 3.73's. The point is I've driven both cars stock and know that the cars are pretty damn near even on paper but that isn't the case if you know how to drive these cars. If you rev the DOHC to redline on those first two shifts, the torquey feeling, GT should be the loser here. Not by much but still behind 1 to 2 cars, despite the crappy gears in the Cobra. ------------------ formerly 96cobra89lx306 (96Cobra/softtop-3.73,almdrvsht,fancontrl,steeda sbfrmes+shifter,eibachspgs,KYB's,FR-upper arms,Saleen copy-polished 18's,pulleys,Bassani X pipe(gutted),C&L 80mm Cobra DYNO 301rwhp horsepower before gutting the X pipe 93 Ford Probe Gt(slower but turns)

05-24-2001, 12:43 AM	#7
Mercury The Redneck James Bond Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Fayetteville NC Posts: 1,707	No offense man, with equal drivers, I think the GT will win in an 8th or quarter mile run. Not to offend any Cobra guys out there.

05-24-2001, 12:52 AM	#8
aurilius_maximus Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Mt. Shasta, California, 96067 Posts: 77	Thanks for the reply's I figured it will be really close. I always take my car up to 7,000+ rpms when racing, dont really no if it is bad for my car or not, the only problem is always the launch... My tires arn't the best for launching, seems like I am either spinning way to much or not enough. What do you guys think, I usually launch around 2,500 rpms, does this sound right or do you think I should take it up higher?

05-30-2001, 04:04 AM	#9
00'BlackSteed Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ontario, CA., U.S.A. Posts: 30	I just raced a 95'Cobra this weekend in my 00'GT. He had full exhaust(headers,H-pipe,and 2 chamber muff.),ram air,injectors,FRRP Fuel pump,275/40-17 Nitto Drag Radials, and some other stuff. I have 3 chamber flows,3.73 gears,K&N filter, underdrive pulleys, & yoko A008P 255/40-17 . The location:Santa Ana street races:sunday 5/28. He heated up his tires and pulled up to the line. Hands dropped and I was gone. I pulled atleast 2 cars ahead of him and held that lead to the end. We raced again and I beat him even worse. I know the 95'Cobras are 20hp shy of the 96's so I think it will be a very close race. Try to practice your launch because 99-01's have excellent low end torque. It will be your key to victory. Goodluck!

05-30-2001, 06:26 PM	#10
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	The 95 Cobra's are 65hp short of the 96's.

05-31-2001, 07:56 AM	#11
SaleenGTS RICE taste like Chicken Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 687	Anyone remember CobraDad??? I wonder what happened to that guy....he had a fast Cobra. ------------------ Dustin 89 GT(Saleen Clone) 392 rwhp UNTUNED(TFS Intake, spacer,Heads and #2 cam, BD-11A 9#(only boosting 6???WTF),1.6 rr's,BBK 70mm TB,FMS 70mm MAF,MSD 6BTM,FMS 9mm wires,BBK longtubes and H-Pipe,American Thunder cat back,3.55 lots more... 12.564@118.49 on street tires is my best so far. Still untuned [This message has been edited by SaleenGTS (edited 05-31-2001).]

06-03-2001, 01:48 PM	#12
dashapht Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: nashville, tn Posts: 72	aurilius_maximus: Your second gear grinding is probably due to the fact that T-45s suck. A friend of mine with a 97 cobra had less than 20k miles on it, and the first time he powershifted it blew out all gears except first. Granted he had a vortech on it, but with street tires I'd think it could handle at least a few powershifts. T-45s are weak. Be leary of powershifting them.