Is this fair?

Jeb_Bush_2000 · 03-31-2002, 09:27 PM

If you're trailing behind a car you want to race, and you jump on the gas without warning him that you're about to, is that fair?

Rev · 03-31-2002, 09:39 PM

My opinion is no. I may be too conservative, but I feel that one must determine that the other guy wants to race before you go.

You just appear as a jerk if you nail it and leap out ahead with tires spinning every time you pull up next to a fast car. My opinion is you need some assurance that the other guy wants to go.

THEN, if I know he wants to go, I give a long hard loud rev and it's all business when the light changes. Take no prisnors then and I just hope my car is faster.

Rev

PGkelly · 03-31-2002, 10:22 PM

sure it's fair. i drive like that normally. call me a jerk. just don't consider it a win if the other guy doesn't go.

Rev · 03-31-2002, 10:28 PM

So PG, you just approach every fast car you see and just do a "fly-by"? How do you ever know if you have a legitimate win?

Rev

Jeb_Bush_2000 · 03-31-2002, 11:56 PM

Well, I'll tell you what happened, and why it wasn't a flyby.

I had been following this really nice blue LX hatch. 2.25" exhaust, 10-holes, but still very sharp-looking. There appeared to be 3-4 youths inside.

Unfortunately, I was too busy scanning for possible trouble, so when he pulled up to a light (where the road widens), I didn't get to it before it changed. Rather than "jump" the light, I hung a little less than two lenghts behind him. He was definitely lining up, and I blew it. I felt that by hanging back, whatever advantage I had by jumping on it first was negated by the lead he had.

If that's unfair, then I owe that young man an apology.

Frankenstang65 · 04-01-2002, 12:19 AM

I see your reasoning, but I still think it's a bit of a cheap move (But I'll forgive you because it seems you had his best interest in mind when you did it...lol). Did he launch hard from the light? If he had started pulling away before you did then it would be ok. But even though he had a two car lead on you, it wasn't much of an advantage becuase you got on it first and he didn't have enough time to react. He probably realized that you were racing only an instant before you passed him, not enough time to make up for the difrence in speeds. Why didn't you just pull along side and go from a roll? That would have made things a little more fair.

Jeb_Bush_2000 · 04-01-2002, 11:06 AM

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Why didn't you just pull along side and go from a roll?

Too much traffic. By the time we would have lined up, it would've been a 60-foot race.

Like I said, I felt justified in jumping on it because I was behind him, and we were going the same speed for several seconds. Without an impartial third party to signal the start, isn't it actually less fair to go from an even roll?

NYC1 · 04-01-2002, 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by Jeb_Bush_2000
If you're trailing behind a car you want to race, and you jump on the gas without warning him that you're about to, is that fair?

NO.

If anyone "sneaks" me, it makes me feel that they're scared to race heads up. Heck, I could beat a Viper if I "sneak" him. All I have to do is turn if off once I get pass him. I say start dead even.

Rev · 04-06-2002, 03:25 PM

One must start from an "even advantage" or else it's not a real race.

That's why the track is "real". Each car starts from he same "tree" and is timed by the same lights.

Rev

MrWesson22 · 04-06-2002, 10:16 PM

It's only fair if it's an even start or if you're both agreeing to give the slower car a lead to make it more fun/close. If there was too much traffic to get even with each other and run em, there was too much traffic to be racing in the first place. Be careful guys, I street race myself, but I've been thinking twice lately since a friend got a ticket for racing by a marked car, but one of the sneaky ones with no roof lights, etc, only insignias on the doors which he couldn't see until it was too late. He was in a 69 firebird and got spanked by an 00 gt on juice in case you care.

NYC1 · 04-07-2002, 10:06 PM

Cop cars are running nitrous??

Saturday I saw a 2002-2002 body style totally unmarked GT/Roush/Cobra or what ever. Red with lights inside car. had an 18 wheeler pulled over.

Location Maryland at east end of the Bay Bridge.

I guess be VERY careful who you race. I don't think there was any to tell that one. I was shocked.

03-31-2002, 09:27 PM	#1
Jeb_Bush_2000 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Taxachusetts Posts: 374	Is this fair? If you're trailing behind a car you want to race, and you jump on the gas without warning him that you're about to, is that fair? __________________ Stripped-down '93 LX Coupe -- "Danielle" R.I.P. 05/30/02 "I've seen some crazy stuff in my life, but that...was...AWESOME!!! Oh, sorry about your car, man."

03-31-2002, 09:39 PM	#2
Rev Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 3,887	My opinion is no. I may be too conservative, but I feel that one must determine that the other guy wants to race before you go. You just appear as a jerk if you nail it and leap out ahead with tires spinning every time you pull up next to a fast car. My opinion is you need some assurance that the other guy wants to go. THEN, if I know he wants to go, I give a long hard loud rev and it's all business when the light changes. Take no prisnors then and I just hope my car is faster. Rev __________________ '66 Coupe, 306, 350-375 HP, C-4, 13.07 e.t., 104.8 mph, 1/4 mi. O.B.C. #2 '66 coupe

03-31-2002, 10:22 PM	#3
PGkelly Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 274	sure it's fair. i drive like that normally. call me a jerk. just don't consider it a win if the other guy doesn't go. __________________ If it ain't broke, make it go faster AOL: MCVillain45

03-31-2002, 10:28 PM	#4
Rev Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 3,887	So PG, you just approach every fast car you see and just do a "fly-by"? How do you ever know if you have a legitimate win? Rev __________________ '66 Coupe, 306, 350-375 HP, C-4, 13.07 e.t., 104.8 mph, 1/4 mi. O.B.C. #2 '66 coupe

04-01-2002, 12:19 AM	#6
Frankenstang65 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 79	I see your reasoning, but I still think it's a bit of a cheap move (But I'll forgive you because it seems you had his best interest in mind when you did it...lol). Did he launch hard from the light? If he had started pulling away before you did then it would be ok. But even though he had a two car lead on you, it wasn't much of an advantage becuase you got on it first and he didn't have enough time to react. He probably realized that you were racing only an instant before you passed him, not enough time to make up for the difrence in speeds. Why didn't you just pull along side and go from a roll? That would have made things a little more fair. __________________ 1965 Coupe: 351W, comp cam, Aluminum Systemax II heads (2.02/1.60), 1.7 Cobra full roller rockers, Edelbrock intake, Holley 650 double pumper, Mallory Unilite, MSD-6AL, MSD Blaster 2 coil, MSD heli-core plug wires, Hedman headers, 2 1/2" exhaust (GT style) w/ 40 series delta flows, 69 C4 w/ shift kit, shelby traction bars, 3.55:1 rear Daily Driver: 1989 GT- 5spd, K&N (no silencer), Shorty Headers, King Cobra Clutch, Flowmaster Force II Cat-back

03-31-2002, 11:56 PM	#5
Jeb_Bush_2000 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Taxachusetts Posts: 374	Well, I'll tell you what happened, and why it wasn't a flyby. I had been following this really nice blue LX hatch. 2.25" exhaust, 10-holes, but still very sharp-looking. There appeared to be 3-4 youths inside. Unfortunately, I was too busy scanning for possible trouble, so when he pulled up to a light (where the road widens), I didn't get to it before it changed. Rather than "jump" the light, I hung a little less than two lenghts behind him. He was definitely lining up, and I blew it. I felt that by hanging back, whatever advantage I had by jumping on it first was negated by the lead he had. If that's unfair, then I owe that young man an apology.

04-06-2002, 03:25 PM	#9
Rev Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 3,887	One must start from an "even advantage" or else it's not a real race. That's why the track is "real". Each car starts from he same "tree" and is timed by the same lights. Rev __________________ '66 Coupe, 306, 350-375 HP, C-4, 13.07 e.t., 104.8 mph, 1/4 mi. O.B.C. #2 '66 coupe

04-06-2002, 10:16 PM	#10
MrWesson22 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Dacula, GA Posts: 73	It's only fair if it's an even start or if you're both agreeing to give the slower car a lead to make it more fun/close. If there was too much traffic to get even with each other and run em, there was too much traffic to be racing in the first place. Be careful guys, I street race myself, but I've been thinking twice lately since a friend got a ticket for racing by a marked car, but one of the sneaky ones with no roof lights, etc, only insignias on the doors which he couldn't see until it was too late. He was in a 69 firebird and got spanked by an 00 gt on juice in case you care. __________________ Neal 69 stang 351C/4sp

04-07-2002, 10:06 PM	#11
NYC1 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 169	Cop cars are running nitrous?? Saturday I saw a 2002-2002 body style totally unmarked GT/Roush/Cobra or what ever. Red with lights inside car. had an 18 wheeler pulled over. Location Maryland at east end of the Bay Bridge. I guess be VERY careful who you race. I don't think there was any to tell that one. I was shocked. __________________ 94GT 5spd Coupe 1/4 = 13.6@103 60ft = 2.0315 on Michelin Pilots GT 40 Intake GT 40Y Aluminum heads 1.7 rockers, BBK Cold air Fluidyne, BBK long tubes & H-Pipe 65mm TB Al Driveshaft Hurst Shifter Cobra R hood HPM Subframes Control Arms Future mods = Procharger and/or 331/347 Stroker, Turbo? Rice Haters Club Member #77 FOR SALE: Strut Tower Brace $30

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